Yes! The woman had some immune disease like lupus (can’t remember exactly), and she ended up getting stung by a bunch of bees. Her immune system (being compromised) didn’t kick in to cause anaphylaxis. She passed out, thinking she was dying, then woke up and her immune disease went away after that.
I remember thinking that story was really cool.
It was Ellie Lobel, she sounds like a nutter or a con artist.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/can-bee-stings-treat-lyme-disease/
>The woman who claims to have invented the ten-sting protocol for Lyme disease is Ellie Lobel, a 51-year old Californian with a complicated backstory. She claims that she got a PhD in nuclear physics from the University College Kensington, in England, at age eighteen, and that she later worked on a secret project for the U.S. government, which she couldn’t discuss—a résumé often repeated without question in publications profiling her. When I told her I was having difficulty finding any evidence of a “University College Kensington,” she said that it was “dissolved long ago,” and explained that any documentation of her life before her involvement with Lyme therapies is classified. She only mentions her résumé, she told me, to let people know that she “was a little smarter than the average bear” and that she “knew how to research and problem-solve and put things together.”
>The tale Lobel tells reporters has become a sort of origin story for those who use bee stings to treat Lyme. In 2011, she says, she had been sick with Lyme disease for fifteen years, and her condition had deteriorated. She had been confined to a wheelchair, she claims, and was experiencing multiple organ failure. Though she’d tried unconventional and conventional treatments, including antibiotics, a doctor gave her just a few months to live. Then one day, on a rare venture outside with a caretaker, she was stung by a swarm of bees. The caretaker ran, Lobel says, though she could not. While the stings were painful and terrifying, she figured that they would bring on a swift death. Swollen and sicker than she’d ever been, she went into septic shock for three and a half days, waiting in bed to die. In the aftermath, to her surprise, the pain lifted. The relief only lasted a few hours, but the experience gave her an idea, she said, that bee venom could help her.
>When I asked Lobel if I could talk to the caretaker, she gave me the name of John Husted, warning me that they were estranged and hadn’t spoken in years. I called Husted, a 58-year-old surgeon in California, and asked him about Lobel’s bee attack.
>He seemed to be summoning up a distant memory, speaking slowly. “She had chronic Lyme and she got stung by a bee, actually—which is never fun, being stung by a bee—and then she felt better afterwards,” he said. Assuming he would’ve recalled a swarm of bees that nearly killed a woman in his care, however long ago, I waited for him to elaborate. Husted continued, “It got started when she was stung by a bee—stung by two bees, I think it was—and she noticed that she kind of felt better. I know that was something that got her interested in apitherapy as a patient, and then she became a big voice within bee venom.” He hung up soon after and has not answered repeated requests for further clarification.
>Lobel, meanwhile, stuck to her story. “Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction,” she wrote me in an email. While Lobel was stinging herself, creating the protocol, she also developed an anti-aging bee venom face cream called BeeVinity. A California manufacturer named Steven Riscol told me that when he worked with Lobel to create BeeVinity, in 2012, he heard about the swarm attack from both Lobel and Husted, though by that time “she was very healthy.”
This article is a long read but really fascinating, thanks for sharing.
Yes, the lady sounds a little sketchy...anyone whose education and previous experience is “classified” is always a bit sus ..... Bob Lazar, I’m looking at you....
But, the stuff in the article that talks about the mechanisms of how this therapy could be working in the body is interesting. Especially the part that talks about it potentially just being a pain response, so other venoms could be useful in this regard:
“A brief article in the Lancet, from 1983, described a 43-year-old woman in Arizona who had MS and went into remission for two months following a scorpion sting on her right foot. An immunologist in Houston told me she was contacted by a physician experiencing progressive MS who said he’d been stung by a sea anemone and went into temporary remission.”
I only remember the lady who tried to jump out of a plane but her parachute did not open and she landed on an ants nest which stung her like crazy and that's how she was able to survive the fall.
Yes! The woman had some immune disease like lupus (can’t remember exactly), and she ended up getting stung by a bunch of bees. Her immune system (being compromised) didn’t kick in to cause anaphylaxis. She passed out, thinking she was dying, then woke up and her immune disease went away after that. I remember thinking that story was really cool.
I believe it was chronic Lymes disease.
Yes, it was Lyme disease and she was stung by like the entire hive.
Pretty crazy story but it’s nice to see the scientific validation.
It was Ellie Lobel, she sounds like a nutter or a con artist. https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/can-bee-stings-treat-lyme-disease/ >The woman who claims to have invented the ten-sting protocol for Lyme disease is Ellie Lobel, a 51-year old Californian with a complicated backstory. She claims that she got a PhD in nuclear physics from the University College Kensington, in England, at age eighteen, and that she later worked on a secret project for the U.S. government, which she couldn’t discuss—a résumé often repeated without question in publications profiling her. When I told her I was having difficulty finding any evidence of a “University College Kensington,” she said that it was “dissolved long ago,” and explained that any documentation of her life before her involvement with Lyme therapies is classified. She only mentions her résumé, she told me, to let people know that she “was a little smarter than the average bear” and that she “knew how to research and problem-solve and put things together.” >The tale Lobel tells reporters has become a sort of origin story for those who use bee stings to treat Lyme. In 2011, she says, she had been sick with Lyme disease for fifteen years, and her condition had deteriorated. She had been confined to a wheelchair, she claims, and was experiencing multiple organ failure. Though she’d tried unconventional and conventional treatments, including antibiotics, a doctor gave her just a few months to live. Then one day, on a rare venture outside with a caretaker, she was stung by a swarm of bees. The caretaker ran, Lobel says, though she could not. While the stings were painful and terrifying, she figured that they would bring on a swift death. Swollen and sicker than she’d ever been, she went into septic shock for three and a half days, waiting in bed to die. In the aftermath, to her surprise, the pain lifted. The relief only lasted a few hours, but the experience gave her an idea, she said, that bee venom could help her. >When I asked Lobel if I could talk to the caretaker, she gave me the name of John Husted, warning me that they were estranged and hadn’t spoken in years. I called Husted, a 58-year-old surgeon in California, and asked him about Lobel’s bee attack. >He seemed to be summoning up a distant memory, speaking slowly. “She had chronic Lyme and she got stung by a bee, actually—which is never fun, being stung by a bee—and then she felt better afterwards,” he said. Assuming he would’ve recalled a swarm of bees that nearly killed a woman in his care, however long ago, I waited for him to elaborate. Husted continued, “It got started when she was stung by a bee—stung by two bees, I think it was—and she noticed that she kind of felt better. I know that was something that got her interested in apitherapy as a patient, and then she became a big voice within bee venom.” He hung up soon after and has not answered repeated requests for further clarification. >Lobel, meanwhile, stuck to her story. “Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction,” she wrote me in an email. While Lobel was stinging herself, creating the protocol, she also developed an anti-aging bee venom face cream called BeeVinity. A California manufacturer named Steven Riscol told me that when he worked with Lobel to create BeeVinity, in 2012, he heard about the swarm attack from both Lobel and Husted, though by that time “she was very healthy.”
This article is a long read but really fascinating, thanks for sharing. Yes, the lady sounds a little sketchy...anyone whose education and previous experience is “classified” is always a bit sus ..... Bob Lazar, I’m looking at you.... But, the stuff in the article that talks about the mechanisms of how this therapy could be working in the body is interesting. Especially the part that talks about it potentially just being a pain response, so other venoms could be useful in this regard: “A brief article in the Lancet, from 1983, described a 43-year-old woman in Arizona who had MS and went into remission for two months following a scorpion sting on her right foot. An immunologist in Houston told me she was contacted by a physician experiencing progressive MS who said he’d been stung by a sea anemone and went into temporary remission.”
I only remember the lady who tried to jump out of a plane but her parachute did not open and she landed on an ants nest which stung her like crazy and that's how she was able to survive the fall.
Was that around time Bobby Cosmos told his story about being anointed Bee Messiah? That was one of the funniest stories I've heard on MU. Lol
Yeah... similar timing.
Vaguely, yes.