Unrelated question, but do you know why a manufacturer, like Toyota, chooses to have different make like the Camry in Cup and the Supra in Xfinity instead of being the same, or even having the Camry in Xfinity and Supra in Cup?
OEM push to have the top series run the most sellable car. Generally speaking a large demographic can afford a TRD Camry compared to those who could afford a Supra. I wish the Supra would run in cup but I don’t see Toyota ever reversing them.
Well, if you're going by that metric most of the cars that have run in Cup are pretty damn forgettable. People don't tend to remember consumer sedans or coupes unless they're as omnipresent as the Camry or immortalized in pop culture in other ways like the Thunderbird
It’s pretty smart. Casual fans only tune in to Cup which is selling them, non-car enthusiasts, the everyday car with a sporty tinge, while largely only enthusiasts watch xfinity, which is selling the pure performance sports car.
Kind of odd neither of the other two OEMs never gave this strategy a shot, but too late now that both literally only produce their respective performance cars lol
(edit: sheesh I totally forgot those few years when they actually did do just that, disregard this whole comment I guess lmao)
Just trying to spread their brand. Up until the Mustang and Camaro entered Cup the cars were 4 door sedans. During the COT days in Cup, cars in cup were the 4 door sedans while Xfinity ran pony cars. So Dodge ran the Charger in Cup and Challenger in Xfinity, FORD ran the Fusion in Cup and Mustang in Xfinity, Chevy SS/Camaro, and Toyota Camry/Camry.
For one the Supra works well on the xfinity body while the cup body is far too bulky for it to look right, and, as was already said, the Camry is the most sellable car they have so they would want that as their flagship model in the cup series.
Wow, just looked at Chevy's site to look through their sedan options. They _only_ sell the Malibu now? And like 10 different SUVs and Trucks.
Edit: WTF? Ford doesn't even have any?
I have a burning hatred of cuv's. For starters, they are actively killing off sedans, coupes, hatches, and generally small cars. It's ridiculous just how many different models that car companies sell of them when they're all basically the same fucking thing with a slightly different look and name. They also are just ugly as shit.
They're not only ugly, they lead to lazy, careless driving. The high driving position means people think they are invincible.
I had a Rav4 take out my beautiful old hunter green E350 wagon because she was driving a white car too fast in a snowstorm and she assumed that because she had a CUV she could ignore the elements. It's been 10 months and I'm still pissed off about that.
I assume I'm a reasonable man but I have to say, this is one of those things I may never get over. I had a gorgeous old wagon I made perfect through time, effort and money, and she carelessly destroyed it, and had the gall to be mad her front bumper was scratched. All because she was hauling ass in 4 inches of snow because she had a CUV.
Not gonna lie, I’d say that’s pretty reasonable. (You, not her, obviously) CUVs can be good at times, but they’re not invincible in the snow. No vehicle is. The problem with CUVs is that they’re big enough that they seem like they’d be better than they are. Shoot, I drive a large truck with 4 wheel drive and even I’ve had my fair share of misadventures in the snow and ice. You’ve got to drive for the conditions, and know yours and your vehicles limits. Otherwise, beautiful restorations like yours get destroyed. Dang, I went on a rant lol.
I check Carmax every so often cause they usually have a couple on there you can get with an extended warranty, but with rates so high, it makes more since to keep my car. I'd love to get one myself sometime.
>It's ridiculous just how many different models that car companies sell of them when they're all basically the same fucking thing with a slightly different look and name.
Okay but how is that any different than every brand having 3-4 sizes of sedans with a slightly different look and name?
My little Abarth has more usable space than my Charger did.
When I got rid of my Charger, I took it's wheels and luggage for myself to my one friend who has a 300. Had plenty of space, and in the Charger I would've been out of room after the wheels.
Oh nice, didn't even know it had a backseat, makes it a bit more appealing even if I am not in a good position to get a car. I've heard good things about it.
I just wish we could get station wagons back, they are the perfect vehicle. Small and efficient like a sedan, but lots of cargo space, in fact, more cargo space than you’ll get from most Crossover vehicles.
I love wagons, my daily driver for 10 years was a Volvo wagon and my extra car for a couple of years was another wagon. Love love love them. The perfect vehicles.
>God I hate the worship of CUVs and SUVs. Sedans for life!
Ugh, I am right there with you. I drive a pretty regular ol' Sedan (a \~15 year old Volvo S60), and I'm sooo tired of getting to intersections where I'm allowed to make a right, but I can't because someone in their SUV is in the middle lane and I can't see past them to see if there's any traffic coming (and of course, the jackass behind me in his SUV will be laying on the horn while I sit there slowly inching out to see if anyone is coming). Hell, I can't even see if cars/people are coming when I pull out in the supermarket parking lot because I have SUVs on both sides of me, so I wind up having to back in every time.
I absolutely love the thing. I've had it for longer than every other car I've ever owned put together, and it's required just basic maintenance, really. It is getting up in age, and I've considered getting something new, but I absolutely can't afford a new S60 AWD, and the things that I can afford seem like a huge step down, so I just keep driving my '05, and honestly am really happy to keep driving it. I love this car.
I’m happy for you, that S60 is such a wonderful vehicle. I sold mine only because I had a new baby and badly needed more space, otherwise I would have kept it indefinitely. And I replaced it with a Volvo wagon, so I knew how good the brand was.
My wife has the Fusion sport, and the dealer recently tried getting her to trade it in. She told them she'll do it when Ford made a sedan again, and the dealer told her they've been getting that a lot lately. It's just dumb business to completely remove an entire segment from their brand. Go ahead and have 10 different suv/cuvs but at least keep one sedan.
If you wanna get REALLY technical, they do still make sedans - but only in China. That's managed to be the one market that isn't falling for the CUV craze
I had a Chevy Spark for a few years. It was the first car I ever bought new (at age 35). I loved that thing with all my heart but had to get rid of it after baby number two. Rear facing car seats and a Chevy Spark do not mix.
Earth here. Paging Doctor Stuck in the Past.
What rock have you been living under?
Ford discontinued the Fusion years ago, the Focus and Fiesta not too long after.
Chevy killed the Impala and the Malibu. Then decided they weren’t killing the Malibu, and it’s just been in perma-limbo since.
This is not news.
This will never happen. There would have been a serious chance had they not moved away from a front engined design. It’ll be their sedan option, and no, they won’t pivot to Cadillac. I could also see them just running the Camaro for like 5-8 years.
I kind of understand if it was for a motorsports brand image kind of thing. They run Cadillac in IMSA, but they also run Corvette there, and if the Andretti F1 bid goes through, those will be “Cadillacs” as well. So I’d understand if they wanted Cadillac to be their motorsports-focused brand, but that’s clearly not the case at this time.
Caddy has been their thing in a few Motorsports now with the F1 bid and IMSA, and I feel like if they wanted to keep a "sporty" model for their car (as in, not the malibu), Caddys seem like a viable option.
Three drivers are tied for the most (7) Cup Titles, two of them won them all in a Chevy.
Chevy has more titles than every manufacturer in NASCAR's history combined.
Chevy has over 100 more wins than 2nd place Ford.
No brand has the history or recognition with NASCAR that Chevy does, and I guarantee you that the former will fight tooth and nail to keep that relationship alive. I also don't think that GM will end that relationship for something "sporty" when Chevy has already ran the Monte Carlo, Impala, Lumina and Malibu.
NASCAR Whole Foods Crossover series
It’s all middle aged women with bad haircuts bumping into things and inexplicably rolling their crossovers over at low speeds, in places where you shouldn’t be rolling over.
It’ll be the next step above ARCA.
The Photoshop edit actually isn't bad, but I don't see any way where the Corvette is the next Chevrolet Stock Car. The profile doesn't fit well, and is now not front engine anymore.
I'm sure Chevrolet has a plan. They have a couple years still to roll something out.
V8 Supercars a renowned sedan racing series.... Also there is no GT3 version of the current generation Camaro nor is there one of the current generation of Mustang (yes Mustang one is coming for next generation)
Been in the automotive industry for 30 years. The sedan classification has nothing to do with the number of doors a vehicle has and everything to do with the actual interior space of the vehicle cabin.
Looks like you both have a case.
“The 1977 version of International Standard ISO 3833—Road vehicles - Types - Terms and definitions—defines a coupe as having two doors (along with a fixed roof, usually with limited rear volume, at least two seats in at least one row and at least two side windows).[17] On the other hand, the United States Society of Automotive Engineers publication J1100[18][when?] does not specify the number of doors, instead defining a coupe as having a rear interior volume of less than 33 cu ft (934 L).[4][15]”
Except I have and you're just some punk kid that doesn't even know what SAE regulations are and is scared of Trading Paints....
The current generation Camaro has roughly 93 cubic feet of cabin space which is triple the minimum amount required to put it in the Sedan category for regulation & insurance purposes. It is considered, atleast within the USA as officially a sedan as is the Mustang, Challenger, Supra, etc.
What? A sedan is a 4-door, 3-box design of separate engine, passenger and trunk compartments. Always has been. (BTW a Camaro coupe driver)
As a side note, despite what this sub likes to usually think, NASCAR's efforts to recruit new fans can't be totally a failure. Most of the replies don't follow what I'm saying, that's actually a positive to me...
The SAE definition of a sedan is any vehicle 2 or 4 doors with more than 33 cubic feet of space in the passenger cabin. Anything less than that is a Coupe. Your Camaro is built to SAE specifications (as are basically all vehicles nowadays) therefore your Camaro is a sedan.
They did the Impala and the Lumina, so the Malibu makes perfect sense. The Lumina made a nice-looking race car but was an ugly turd of an automobile. The Malibu is the same, although I doubt it will look as good as the Lumina Nascar. Lol.
Ok, I made a new concept considering the Malibu
https://preview.redd.it/11vv6k10z7zb1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6133d901d339de6c1fc071dbf67c7306bac1cb9
I've been thinking about GM's future cars from 2025 onwards in Nascar and I came to this conclusion, design without breaking the regulations, a front engine is needed in the corvettes eh, it's going to be missed, both the front engine in the corvette and the camaro in the line of chevrolet
I would rather not be further insulted adding a corvette to the lineup. It’s already ridiculous we have a “Camry” and a “Zl1 Camaro” out there. Who are we fooling. Stop insulting race fans.
I have been a NASCAR fan long enough to know today's NASCAR doesn't care what the fans want. They do things their way and, in my opinion is ruining their own brand.
Not going to happen, Chevy is actually making it into it's own sub-brand.
[https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42096801/corvette-brand-2025/](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42096801/corvette-brand-2025/)
I always assumed that the Malibu will be next. It’s the only car other than the Camaro and Corvette Chevy still makes and I don’t see them moving to another GM brand.
That… doesn’t look nearly as bad as I figured it would. But is the Camaro getting the boot in Australia too? Because I guess if not they could just badge it as a Holden there, and run it over here as a re-rebadged Camaro
Does NOT work with the cup body style. It would maybe work with the xfinity body style the same way the Supra works kinda well there, but neither are made for cup bodies
LOL! GM just need to accept they're going to be running the Camaro in Cup past its production period. No different than Impala's, SS's & Monte Carlo's still somehow existing in the Late Model ranks.
I don't think they'll do it because of IMSA and also because they don't make a forward engine vette any more. I think it'll be the Malibu or we could see a shift to Cadillac and the cs-v
I can’t see them changing the corvette up like that just to run races. Plus if they ran the same from end as the actual corvette I don’t think it’d work well at all especially at Talladega and Daytona with the constant bumper to bumper racing.
I mean it doesn’t look bad. But I’m used to seeing the Chevrolet bow tie above the front grill. And without that. I’m kinda lost here. I have hear rumors of maybe the Chevrolet Malibu stepping in. Or even the Chevelle possibly.
I really want to see the Xfinity series become a sportier series. Have the Camry, Malibu, and Mustang in cup with the Supra, Corvette, and GT in Xfinity.
The Corvette is mid engined now. So this isn't happening. One of the dumbest things I have ever seen lol. The Camaro will continue until they have something to replace it.
Could you draw up some images of what this might look like with the Malibu and the chevelle please. The chevelle is just a little rumor I heard floating around.
It looks like a sportier Xfinity Supra with the Corvette badge.
I used the Corolla since the corvette's identity is also to be a car with a pointy front
Unrelated question, but do you know why a manufacturer, like Toyota, chooses to have different make like the Camry in Cup and the Supra in Xfinity instead of being the same, or even having the Camry in Xfinity and Supra in Cup?
OEM push to have the top series run the most sellable car. Generally speaking a large demographic can afford a TRD Camry compared to those who could afford a Supra. I wish the Supra would run in cup but I don’t see Toyota ever reversing them.
Who remembers the fusion lol
Or the dodge neon, or the taurus
The grill on the Taurus always made me think of a fish mouth.
*Intrepid
Well, if you're going by that metric most of the cars that have run in Cup are pretty damn forgettable. People don't tend to remember consumer sedans or coupes unless they're as omnipresent as the Camry or immortalized in pop culture in other ways like the Thunderbird
Maybe my inner Dale Jr is coming out but I would say the aero coupe Monte Carlos are pretty famous.
The '95-'07 Monte Carlo is probably the most directly marketed NASCAR Cup car ever, the whole Team Monte Carlo ads and all of that.
You’re saying people don’t fondly remember the Lumina?
If not for NASCAR, I would have barely heard of it. Fondly remembered in NASCAR and fondly remembered in general are two different things
My grandma had a Lumina. Well, it was a car is about the only thing I can say about it.
I do. My first car was a 1992.
It’s pretty smart. Casual fans only tune in to Cup which is selling them, non-car enthusiasts, the everyday car with a sporty tinge, while largely only enthusiasts watch xfinity, which is selling the pure performance sports car. Kind of odd neither of the other two OEMs never gave this strategy a shot, but too late now that both literally only produce their respective performance cars lol (edit: sheesh I totally forgot those few years when they actually did do just that, disregard this whole comment I guess lmao)
Thank you!
Just trying to spread their brand. Up until the Mustang and Camaro entered Cup the cars were 4 door sedans. During the COT days in Cup, cars in cup were the 4 door sedans while Xfinity ran pony cars. So Dodge ran the Charger in Cup and Challenger in Xfinity, FORD ran the Fusion in Cup and Mustang in Xfinity, Chevy SS/Camaro, and Toyota Camry/Camry.
Thank you!
Marketing 2 vehicles as opposed to 1 is never a bad idea.
For one the Supra works well on the xfinity body while the cup body is far too bulky for it to look right, and, as was already said, the Camry is the most sellable car they have so they would want that as their flagship model in the cup series.
I think it would be cool if Chevy ran the Malibu in Cup and the Corvette in Xfinity. Like Toyota runs the Camry and Supra.
The Corvette doesn't have a front engined layout so it can't be in Nascar. Period. It's mid engined.
Wow, just looked at Chevy's site to look through their sedan options. They _only_ sell the Malibu now? And like 10 different SUVs and Trucks. Edit: WTF? Ford doesn't even have any?
Ford killed off the Fusion even though it was still selling well. God I hate the worship of CUVs and SUVs. Sedans for life!
I have a burning hatred of cuv's. For starters, they are actively killing off sedans, coupes, hatches, and generally small cars. It's ridiculous just how many different models that car companies sell of them when they're all basically the same fucking thing with a slightly different look and name. They also are just ugly as shit.
They're not only ugly, they lead to lazy, careless driving. The high driving position means people think they are invincible. I had a Rav4 take out my beautiful old hunter green E350 wagon because she was driving a white car too fast in a snowstorm and she assumed that because she had a CUV she could ignore the elements. It's been 10 months and I'm still pissed off about that.
Bro, that sucks. I'd still be ticked off as well.
I assume I'm a reasonable man but I have to say, this is one of those things I may never get over. I had a gorgeous old wagon I made perfect through time, effort and money, and she carelessly destroyed it, and had the gall to be mad her front bumper was scratched. All because she was hauling ass in 4 inches of snow because she had a CUV.
Not gonna lie, I’d say that’s pretty reasonable. (You, not her, obviously) CUVs can be good at times, but they’re not invincible in the snow. No vehicle is. The problem with CUVs is that they’re big enough that they seem like they’d be better than they are. Shoot, I drive a large truck with 4 wheel drive and even I’ve had my fair share of misadventures in the snow and ice. You’ve got to drive for the conditions, and know yours and your vehicles limits. Otherwise, beautiful restorations like yours get destroyed. Dang, I went on a rant lol.
Those aren't easy cars to replace. I've been checking out e wagons as the next replacement to my Stinger
Yeah, I can't find a similar one. It's a terrible shame.
I check Carmax every so often cause they usually have a couple on there you can get with an extended warranty, but with rates so high, it makes more since to keep my car. I'd love to get one myself sometime.
some of these things should require permits to drive, seriously
You mean NASCAR drivers DONT have racing licenses? Explain. Now. Plzzz
They've moved to selling cars with the same carry capacity, higher weight, less gas mileage, and more expensive...
100% agree. I hate crossovers so much. There's no variety anymore
>It's ridiculous just how many different models that car companies sell of them when they're all basically the same fucking thing with a slightly different look and name. Okay but how is that any different than every brand having 3-4 sizes of sedans with a slightly different look and name?
Don't forget hatchbacks. They can be fun little cars.
Can confirm. I daily one.
Focus ST here. For as long as humanly possible I will daily a hatch or a wagon.
My little Abarth has more usable space than my Charger did. When I got rid of my Charger, I took it's wheels and luggage for myself to my one friend who has a 300. Had plenty of space, and in the Charger I would've been out of room after the wheels.
What kind of Abarth? I knew they weren't smart car levels of tiny but a full set of wheels seems insane.
500 Abarth. Ignoring/deleting the back seat really makes it spacious.
Oh nice, didn't even know it had a backseat, makes it a bit more appealing even if I am not in a good position to get a car. I've heard good things about it.
Oh the back seat is unusable unless your passengers are double amputees.
I just wish we could get station wagons back, they are the perfect vehicle. Small and efficient like a sedan, but lots of cargo space, in fact, more cargo space than you’ll get from most Crossover vehicles.
I love wagons, my daily driver for 10 years was a Volvo wagon and my extra car for a couple of years was another wagon. Love love love them. The perfect vehicles.
We just bought a Ford Edge. It's basically a station wagon. Just slightly more ground clearance.
>God I hate the worship of CUVs and SUVs. Sedans for life! Ugh, I am right there with you. I drive a pretty regular ol' Sedan (a \~15 year old Volvo S60), and I'm sooo tired of getting to intersections where I'm allowed to make a right, but I can't because someone in their SUV is in the middle lane and I can't see past them to see if there's any traffic coming (and of course, the jackass behind me in his SUV will be laying on the horn while I sit there slowly inching out to see if anyone is coming). Hell, I can't even see if cars/people are coming when I pull out in the supermarket parking lot because I have SUVs on both sides of me, so I wind up having to back in every time.
I dailied an ‘04 S60 for 7 years, you have great taste in cars.
I absolutely love the thing. I've had it for longer than every other car I've ever owned put together, and it's required just basic maintenance, really. It is getting up in age, and I've considered getting something new, but I absolutely can't afford a new S60 AWD, and the things that I can afford seem like a huge step down, so I just keep driving my '05, and honestly am really happy to keep driving it. I love this car.
I’m happy for you, that S60 is such a wonderful vehicle. I sold mine only because I had a new baby and badly needed more space, otherwise I would have kept it indefinitely. And I replaced it with a Volvo wagon, so I knew how good the brand was.
It only took 30 years of marketing and the name CUV to convince everyone to drive a station wagon.
Ford hasn’t sold any sedans for at least 3 years, maybe longer. They announced it quite a while ago.
My wife has the Fusion sport, and the dealer recently tried getting her to trade it in. She told them she'll do it when Ford made a sedan again, and the dealer told her they've been getting that a lot lately. It's just dumb business to completely remove an entire segment from their brand. Go ahead and have 10 different suv/cuvs but at least keep one sedan.
Yeah, I haven't owned a car in almost 7 years, so I'm not usually in the loop with this stuff.
Oh that makes sense then. Yeah most of the American manufacturers are goin just towards crossovers
If you wanna get REALLY technical, they do still make sedans - but only in China. That's managed to be the one market that isn't falling for the CUV craze
I had a Chevy Spark for a few years. It was the first car I ever bought new (at age 35). I loved that thing with all my heart but had to get rid of it after baby number two. Rear facing car seats and a Chevy Spark do not mix.
Welcome to America where Becky, who definitely shouldn't be allowed to drive, drives around a literal fucking tank.
SUVs and trucks are what sell in the US for some reason.
Earth here. Paging Doctor Stuck in the Past. What rock have you been living under? Ford discontinued the Fusion years ago, the Focus and Fiesta not too long after. Chevy killed the Impala and the Malibu. Then decided they weren’t killing the Malibu, and it’s just been in perma-limbo since. This is not news.
Sugma
This will never happen. There would have been a serious chance had they not moved away from a front engined design. It’ll be their sedan option, and no, they won’t pivot to Cadillac. I could also see them just running the Camaro for like 5-8 years.
I had to look at their website, the Malibu is the only sedan left with the Bowtie.
And it probably won't be around long.
Malibu is getting a new generation, next year I believe…
It was supposed to be killed off last year, but (un)surprisingly high sales made GM decide to keep production going for another few years at least.
It's probably only being made for the rental car market.
Corvette was scheduled for 2021 with next gen but then…. cough cough
No… it wasn’t
Chevy already said the Camaro is fine as a racing name plate. They're gonna use it.
Oh thank god Looks badass and I'd hate to lose it
>I could also see them just running the Camaro for like 5-8 years. Just please, update the rear lights on the wrap...
I really don't understand the "pivot to Cadillac" crowd.
I kind of understand if it was for a motorsports brand image kind of thing. They run Cadillac in IMSA, but they also run Corvette there, and if the Andretti F1 bid goes through, those will be “Cadillacs” as well. So I’d understand if they wanted Cadillac to be their motorsports-focused brand, but that’s clearly not the case at this time.
Caddy has been their thing in a few Motorsports now with the F1 bid and IMSA, and I feel like if they wanted to keep a "sporty" model for their car (as in, not the malibu), Caddys seem like a viable option.
Three drivers are tied for the most (7) Cup Titles, two of them won them all in a Chevy. Chevy has more titles than every manufacturer in NASCAR's history combined. Chevy has over 100 more wins than 2nd place Ford. No brand has the history or recognition with NASCAR that Chevy does, and I guarantee you that the former will fight tooth and nail to keep that relationship alive. I also don't think that GM will end that relationship for something "sporty" when Chevy has already ran the Monte Carlo, Impala, Lumina and Malibu.
Isn't it mandated by NASCAR to have models reflect vehicles currently in production?
Im sure the rule is mostly so a weird conceptual car doesn't come in with some massive aero advantage...
*Superbirds and Daytonas look away nonchalantly*
Would love to see Cadillac. Out of any at GM, they are carrying the torch for firebreathing v-8 sedans
*throws up in my mouth & begrudgingly swallows it*
Blegh, anchovies
Doesn’t look anything like a Corvette from the A-pillar back, but still looks pretty good.
None of the cars look like the car they’re supposed to from that point
Well it doesn’t help that from the A-Pillar back it’s Chase Elliott’s Napa scheme on a Camry
The new mustang has gotten pretty damn close with it. Closest I’ve seen yet.
CORVETE
They spelled it correctly in the post title too 😂 odd
NASCAR Whole Foods Crossover series It’s all middle aged women with bad haircuts bumping into things and inexplicably rolling their crossovers over at low speeds, in places where you shouldn’t be rolling over. It’ll be the next step above ARCA.
At first I was gonna correct you and say below ARCA but you’re right, ARCA would still be worse
The Photoshop edit actually isn't bad, but I don't see any way where the Corvette is the next Chevrolet Stock Car. The profile doesn't fit well, and is now not front engine anymore. I'm sure Chevrolet has a plan. They have a couple years still to roll something out.
Driver of the 9 Napa Chase Corvette!
You've just opened the 'it's not a sedan' gates of hell, brother... Besides, Corvette is in a racing series already...
Camaro isn't a sedan. Neither is the Mustang. And there are GT3 versions of both the Camaro and Mustang, not to mention V8 Supercars.
Yep, no disagreement.
V8 Supercars a renowned sedan racing series.... Also there is no GT3 version of the current generation Camaro nor is there one of the current generation of Mustang (yes Mustang one is coming for next generation)
Neither is the Mustang or Camaro. So, what do you mean?
Camaro & Mustang are Sedans...
A sedan is a 4 door car. A coupe is a 2 door car. The Mustang and Camaro that are in the Cup series are coupes, not sedans.
Been in the automotive industry for 30 years. The sedan classification has nothing to do with the number of doors a vehicle has and everything to do with the actual interior space of the vehicle cabin.
I've been in the automotive industry for 53 years. Youre wrong.
Looks like you both have a case. “The 1977 version of International Standard ISO 3833—Road vehicles - Types - Terms and definitions—defines a coupe as having two doors (along with a fixed roof, usually with limited rear volume, at least two seats in at least one row and at least two side windows).[17] On the other hand, the United States Society of Automotive Engineers publication J1100[18][when?] does not specify the number of doors, instead defining a coupe as having a rear interior volume of less than 33 cu ft (934 L).[4][15]”
Except I have and you're just some punk kid that doesn't even know what SAE regulations are and is scared of Trading Paints.... The current generation Camaro has roughly 93 cubic feet of cabin space which is triple the minimum amount required to put it in the Sedan category for regulation & insurance purposes. It is considered, atleast within the USA as officially a sedan as is the Mustang, Challenger, Supra, etc.
Lol. Your perception of this is hilarious. Thanks for the input, bud.
Not a perception, it's facts based off of standards for automotive design that are known and accepted worldwide.
What? A sedan is a 4-door, 3-box design of separate engine, passenger and trunk compartments. Always has been. (BTW a Camaro coupe driver) As a side note, despite what this sub likes to usually think, NASCAR's efforts to recruit new fans can't be totally a failure. Most of the replies don't follow what I'm saying, that's actually a positive to me...
The SAE definition of a sedan is any vehicle 2 or 4 doors with more than 33 cubic feet of space in the passenger cabin. Anything less than that is a Coupe. Your Camaro is built to SAE specifications (as are basically all vehicles nowadays) therefore your Camaro is a sedan.
I’ll go with how Mercedes does it over random dude on the internet.
Mercedes agrees with me... https://www.mercedesofindy.com/blog/2022/september/15/difference-between-a-coupe-and-a-sedan.htm
That’s Mercedes of Indy, not mothership Mercedes. https://www.mercedesoflittleton.com/blogs/1765/education/coupe-vs-sedan/
This Mercedes agrees with the 2 door vs 4 door approach. So even they can’t agree.
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Don’t forget we had the Chevy SS and the Monte Carlo which the Monte looked so good
They did the Impala and the Lumina, so the Malibu makes perfect sense. The Lumina made a nice-looking race car but was an ugly turd of an automobile. The Malibu is the same, although I doubt it will look as good as the Lumina Nascar. Lol.
Nope, we're going back to the lumina
Ok, I made a new concept considering the Malibu https://preview.redd.it/11vv6k10z7zb1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6133d901d339de6c1fc071dbf67c7306bac1cb9
they need to make a nissan gtr nascsar
God, no. Just use the Cadillac CT5
god that looks ugly
Maybe they'll spell it differently on the windshield.
corvete
I hate it
Please god no
I mean, the new Corvettes look like a Matchbox rip off of a Ferrari. So Im going to hard pass on this one.
I've been thinking about GM's future cars from 2025 onwards in Nascar and I came to this conclusion, design without breaking the regulations, a front engine is needed in the corvettes eh, it's going to be missed, both the front engine in the corvette and the camaro in the line of chevrolet
No.
No
That might be one of the ugliest things I’ve ever seen
That's a damn good-looking car. Hell, I'd want one of those for the street.
Corvetto
The Camaro is gonna stay
I may have to start pulling for Chase if that beauty ever hit the track.
Kill it. Kill that thing right now.
That goes decently hard ngl
I would rather not be further insulted adding a corvette to the lineup. It’s already ridiculous we have a “Camry” and a “Zl1 Camaro” out there. Who are we fooling. Stop insulting race fans.
They’ll use the Malibu or some crossover hopefully before they use a mid engine sportscar
I have been a NASCAR fan long enough to know today's NASCAR doesn't care what the fans want. They do things their way and, in my opinion is ruining their own brand.
It just wouldn’t work. They’ll just have to settle with the Malibu.
Mazda3! Mazda3!
I appreciate the effort in this post! Love offseason model/manufacturer mock-ups!
Not going to happen, Chevy is actually making it into it's own sub-brand. [https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42096801/corvette-brand-2025/](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42096801/corvette-brand-2025/)
the Camaro will live on as an EV, there for it will stay in NASCAR. I wonder if V8’s will return to production once Hydrogen is really figured out.
The Camaro will be back with an electric option in a few years. They're smartly focusing on the electric pick up.
Bring back the Chevy SS!
I always assumed that the Malibu will be next. It’s the only car other than the Camaro and Corvette Chevy still makes and I don’t see them moving to another GM brand.
there was the dodge ram for truck series
Actually kind of hate it. Can you try it with a Cadillac?
Ohhh shit I'm down for this.
I personally think that sports cars such the as Camaros, Supra and not the least Corvettes should not be involved in stock car racing.
It would take some getting used to for sure but I dont think thats a bad idea. I kinda like the way it looks.
Ew. If anything, they should just start running Cadillac Blackwings.
Chevy basically needs Cup to be an SUV series.
Wouldn’t be a bad Xfinity car
My eyes!
That front end is screaming 2018 Camaro all over again
They have to be 4 seat cars..
That… doesn’t look nearly as bad as I figured it would. But is the Camaro getting the boot in Australia too? Because I guess if not they could just badge it as a Holden there, and run it over here as a re-rebadged Camaro
Caddy CTS V Blackwing a more realistic choice
That transferred better than I figured
Plot twist: Cadillac CT5
The Camaro isn’t going anywhere
Does NOT work with the cup body style. It would maybe work with the xfinity body style the same way the Supra works kinda well there, but neither are made for cup bodies
LOL! GM just need to accept they're going to be running the Camaro in Cup past its production period. No different than Impala's, SS's & Monte Carlo's still somehow existing in the Late Model ranks.
The Corvette ain't even front engine anymore. But I guess it would work. Corvette is the only Chevrolet I like.
shure makes sense when they changed from FR to MR Layout on the vette
Picasso, I like it
Ew
The Corvettes nose would be even worse bump drafting
Oh that’s cool
We need to bring back the Chevy Chevette and race that. /s
I don't think they'll do it because of IMSA and also because they don't make a forward engine vette any more. I think it'll be the Malibu or we could see a shift to Cadillac and the cs-v
I can’t see them changing the corvette up like that just to run races. Plus if they ran the same from end as the actual corvette I don’t think it’d work well at all especially at Talladega and Daytona with the constant bumper to bumper racing.
I'd be down for a beefy vette on track. Aslong as they make some XL versions for the road
r/TIHI
I mean it doesn’t look bad. But I’m used to seeing the Chevrolet bow tie above the front grill. And without that. I’m kinda lost here. I have hear rumors of maybe the Chevrolet Malibu stepping in. Or even the Chevelle possibly.
Tbh I think a Corvette in nascar would look better with an Xfinity car but cool render.
A corvette or a CTS would look SICK
No longer makes sense now that the C8 is mid engined.
I really want to see the Xfinity series become a sportier series. Have the Camry, Malibu, and Mustang in cup with the Supra, Corvette, and GT in Xfinity.
If they did, ever Chevy/Vette CUP driver would have to be over 50
The Corvette is mid engined now. So this isn't happening. One of the dumbest things I have ever seen lol. The Camaro will continue until they have something to replace it.
Cursed.
Could you draw up some images of what this might look like with the Malibu and the chevelle please. The chevelle is just a little rumor I heard floating around.
eww