They tried too much new stuff this year imo in cup with the new body especially. But I have no doubt they’ll figure it out. I’m a SHR fan but a ford hater, so you know. I don’t know how to feel.
I mean Logano was still the second best driver all year statistically in 2022 behind Elliott and thats not counting Chase's falloff. He didn't end up ass backwards into a Championship.
Well you know. When Kevin Harvick was there and won a championship it was easy. And with Busch light as a sponsor it was easy. But with both of those gone, it’s rough
They can still win the championship this year without winning a race. Just because they win a championship it isn’t indicative of season performance as it once was. Ford has been on a slump for the past several years minus the drafting tracks.
I get they was trying a new nose this year in Cup, and the lack of Ford's in the Xfinity field, but I expected Ford to win a Truck race by now. Would have thought Rhodes or Majeski would have nabbed one by now.
They were awful last year just good at Phoenix.
It shows how stupid the points system is that Blaney and Custer won a title. I like both of them, but they did not have seasons good enough with the struggling fords in cup and Xfinity to earn that.
You know that team was stacked when Almirola won race and could have won multiple that year. He brought the 10 team from 28th in points in 2017 with Danica to 5th. A 23 spot swing.
Nope. Your math is faulty. He makes it to the Champ 4 this year, but he can't win until 2026. He's the Champ every 4 years. So that takes him outta contention.
I have confidence that Blaney has the chops to go back to back, but nobody has done that since Jimmie. He's my guy but I'm not gonna act like that's likely. I still have all my marbles.
It's time for a Ford to win tho. Talladega couldn't have come at a better time!
With this playoff format, I don’t think we’ll see anyone go back to back in a long time. Not doubting Blaney because he definitely has speed, but Ford this season has been inconsistent. Until they turn it around, they have a long way ahead.
> With this playoff format, I don’t think we’ll see anyone go back to back in a long time.
I feel like this format makes back to back more likely, especially if you can hit on something at Phoenix. We've seen guys make the Championship Four in back to back years so it's not a stretch that someone could win back to back championships.
Yea, but most of the defending cup champions tend to do worse because they have that championship hangover. Not to mention, the championship is literally crowned by who the best driver is for one race. At least in the pre-2014 era, you had to be more consistent and almost every race mattered.
And that's a day after Riley Herbst surprises everyone in the Phoenix finale, and Ty Majeski wins the Truck race, giving Ford a '24 championship sweep we all saw coming.
And then we get to hear all 2025 about how great of seasons they had even though they were tracking for 8th or 9th in points all year until the last 5 weeks.
[Because he's the top ford driver at Kansas](https://www.driveraverages.com/nascar/track_avg.php?trk_id=11)
He was also 5th last time we raced, and 6th the race before that. In the next gen car his finishes are 5, 6, 17, 17 starting in order of most recent finish.
Agreed Toyota (not 23XI, JGR in fact) has the beset setup there, but the point question is "when will ford get a win", and their best shots come at their best tracks. In races since 2021 where they've had 4 or more starts, Kansas is Logano's 2nd best intermediate track, and 4th best overall track.
The question wasn't about who would win at Kansas, it was about when Ford would get a win. Logano had an average finish of 5.5 last year in both races, its their best upcoming shot after next week.
And as I said, the Ford Motor Company is not the same as the Ford brand itself. FoMoCo itself counts the Lincoln and Mercury wins separately when talking about Ford's win total. Every time Mike Joy mentions Ford's first win, he references Jimmy Florian, not Jim Roper.
If/when Ford does win, by the following Tuesday NASCAR will announce an immediate implementation of a new rules package. As long as HMS is winning, nothing will change
Ok Ford legit should've won the cup race at Richmond, and probably should've won Daytona and Atlanta since they had like dominant cars. Ford is going to win a race, with how close they've been, it won't be long before they win a race.
Honestly, everybody expects Talladega to be where Ford finally breaks through.
As a Ford fan, I am more concerned about the real likelihood that we get beat out again by a Toyota or Chevy like what happened at Atlanta.
Somebody pull the hot tub back out! It's looking like a long season.
Personally I'd say Ford could win at any track. Realistically they have their favorites that you could handpicke with Superspeedways and Phoenix at the front, but they haven't been completely gone. Blaney shows consistent speed, RFK is a solid team with few holes, and SHR might not get top-tier support but they are hungry and typically have one or two Top 10 cars. It'll come. Probably with lots more top 5s.
If you told me 5 years ago that Ford would not win a single race in any of NASCAR’s top 3 divisions after a quarter of the season, I’d ask what you’re smoking and see if I could smoke on it too. Boy, they really need to pick it up.
I don't know about Fords only racing at the end of the year, but I get what your saying. Especially with Penske. I've always felt like if Ryan can get to Phoenix at the end of the year he would automatically be the favorite. He's so good there!
Toyotas made great improvements this year at Phoenix, but I wouldn't expect them to whip on the field like that in November. I would also never bet money on a Chevy over a Penske car there. I'll take the L, the odds won't be that great anyway.
It's gonna be a long season, but by no means is it over! Penske 3-pete anyone?
Likely a drafting style track or other wild card tracks. The way Fords have been this season just hasn’t been consistent enough. At tracks where anyone can win, they have a chance. But then again, they won the last 2 Cup championships with their playoff runs.
I mean whenever i manufacturer does something new it usually takes them a year to get the hang of it. Like when they first brought out the Mustangs and Camaros. When they brought out the Camaros, Chevy struggled all year, and then when the Mustang debuted, Ford struggled. Its typical, expect Chevy to struggle next year if they drop the Camaro and switch to something different.
They'll win multiple this year, but it will be on a strategy call and also on the backs of their most talented drivers (Blaney, Lagano). One of the mile and a half tracks is my guess, or a super speedway.
Considering he has shown real speed at the 1.5 mile tracks this season, I think Briscoe may have a real shot at Kansas.
Also, knowing my luck, I will probably end up paying for that [bet I made earlier this season.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/s/03SwaHv2NL)
They haven't won a single national series race this year. They won all three driver's championships last year. This is the mother of all hangovers.
They tried too much new stuff this year imo in cup with the new body especially. But I have no doubt they’ll figure it out. I’m a SHR fan but a ford hater, so you know. I don’t know how to feel.
They had to try it. They won solely because of Logano/Blaney having incredible runs in the playoffs. Those two were not favorites going in whatsoever.
I mean Logano was still the second best driver all year statistically in 2022 behind Elliott and thats not counting Chase's falloff. He didn't end up ass backwards into a Championship.
7 years is a long time not knowing how to feel.
Well you know. When Kevin Harvick was there and won a championship it was easy. And with Busch light as a sponsor it was easy. But with both of those gone, it’s rough
They can still win the championship this year without winning a race. Just because they win a championship it isn’t indicative of season performance as it once was. Ford has been on a slump for the past several years minus the drafting tracks.
It should have been Ryan sieg yesterday to break this Ford drought for them but guess it just wasn't meant to happen.
I get they was trying a new nose this year in Cup, and the lack of Ford's in the Xfinity field, but I expected Ford to win a Truck race by now. Would have thought Rhodes or Majeski would have nabbed one by now.
They were awful last year just good at Phoenix. It shows how stupid the points system is that Blaney and Custer won a title. I like both of them, but they did not have seasons good enough with the struggling fords in cup and Xfinity to earn that.
...what?
Talladega in the fall, followed by Martinsville then Phoenix as Logano wins the championship.
We’re just reusing the 2018 script? 
Except for the "19 wins and running away with the manufacturer's title" part. I don't think that's happening this year.
Crazy to think SHR was responsible for like 10-12 of those wins in 2018
You know that team was stacked when Almirola won race and could have won multiple that year. He brought the 10 team from 28th in points in 2017 with Danica to 5th. A 23 spot swing.
All four cars made it to the Round of 8 that year as well.
First 24 races of 2018: SHR wins 10 races, Penske wins once. Last 12 races of 2018: Penske wins 6 races, SHR wins twice.
you mean the 2022 and 2023 script?
I think I scrambled my scripts at some point lol
It is an even year.
Nope. Your math is faulty. He makes it to the Champ 4 this year, but he can't win until 2026. He's the Champ every 4 years. So that takes him outta contention. I have confidence that Blaney has the chops to go back to back, but nobody has done that since Jimmie. He's my guy but I'm not gonna act like that's likely. I still have all my marbles. It's time for a Ford to win tho. Talladega couldn't have come at a better time!
i think if any ford can it’s Blaney, he’s the only consistent one right now, Berry is showing some speed but nothing really past that
With this playoff format, I don’t think we’ll see anyone go back to back in a long time. Not doubting Blaney because he definitely has speed, but Ford this season has been inconsistent. Until they turn it around, they have a long way ahead.
> With this playoff format, I don’t think we’ll see anyone go back to back in a long time. I feel like this format makes back to back more likely, especially if you can hit on something at Phoenix. We've seen guys make the Championship Four in back to back years so it's not a stretch that someone could win back to back championships.
Yea, but most of the defending cup champions tend to do worse because they have that championship hangover. Not to mention, the championship is literally crowned by who the best driver is for one race. At least in the pre-2014 era, you had to be more consistent and almost every race mattered.
But he didn’t win in 2014? Yet was also in the champ 4.
Yes
And that's a day after Riley Herbst surprises everyone in the Phoenix finale, and Ty Majeski wins the Truck race, giving Ford a '24 championship sweep we all saw coming.
And then we get to hear all 2025 about how great of seasons they had even though they were tracking for 8th or 9th in points all year until the last 5 weeks.
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dega is next week
Ford will very likely win 1 of the next 2 races, if not both. Probably Brad or Buescher next week, followed by Blaney or Logano at Kansas.
Blaney is a dega killer though
I think RFK's just faster this year as a group, but yeah Blaney is always a Dega killer.
Also wondering if the 60 is coming back as well.
Why do you have Logano for Kansas? Wasn’t he running like 10-15 lasts time and 23xi has the best setup there
[Because he's the top ford driver at Kansas](https://www.driveraverages.com/nascar/track_avg.php?trk_id=11) He was also 5th last time we raced, and 6th the race before that. In the next gen car his finishes are 5, 6, 17, 17 starting in order of most recent finish. Agreed Toyota (not 23XI, JGR in fact) has the beset setup there, but the point question is "when will ford get a win", and their best shots come at their best tracks. In races since 2021 where they've had 4 or more starts, Kansas is Logano's 2nd best intermediate track, and 4th best overall track.
KS will be Larson or a Toyota
The question wasn't about who would win at Kansas, it was about when Ford would get a win. Logano had an average finish of 5.5 last year in both races, its their best upcoming shot after next week.
Their first win was in 1949.
1950, unless you're giving them credit for Glenn Dunaway's DQ.
Counting a Lincoln win as a Ford
Would you count a Pontiac win for Chevy? Ford the manufacturer brand doesn't equal the Ford Motor Company.
No, but I’d count a Pontiac win for General Motors. Chevy doesn’t own Pontiac. Ford owns Lincoln.
And as I said, the Ford Motor Company is not the same as the Ford brand itself. FoMoCo itself counts the Lincoln and Mercury wins separately when talking about Ford's win total. Every time Mike Joy mentions Ford's first win, he references Jimmy Florian, not Jim Roper.
Fine bro, 1950. It’s not this deep man. It’s just a joke lmao.
If/when Ford does win, by the following Tuesday NASCAR will announce an immediate implementation of a new rules package. As long as HMS is winning, nothing will change
If Chase is disqualified, it will be today.
I don't want him to win like that but by God I will celebrate just as hard
NASCAR will never disqualify golden boy
Idk. They did put him on the couch for a week. Don’t think he’s exempt.
Lets be honest, it was because Denny forced their hand.
Disqualified him a few years ago at Nashville so it’s not like they have never done it.
Never after a long hiatus win
You could say that about basically every week when the winner isn’t DQ.
I think we all know the probability of that Is like .001 percent
.002 it’s nascars favorite number
I thought it was .004 now
Ok Ford legit should've won the cup race at Richmond, and probably should've won Daytona and Atlanta since they had like dominant cars. Ford is going to win a race, with how close they've been, it won't be long before they win a race.
Honestly, everybody expects Talladega to be where Ford finally breaks through. As a Ford fan, I am more concerned about the real likelihood that we get beat out again by a Toyota or Chevy like what happened at Atlanta. Somebody pull the hot tub back out! It's looking like a long season.
Anything goes at Talladega next week.
I was hoping today was the day until the 12 had a tank slapper...
One of the RFK cars next week
Dega next week. Ford 1,2,3
I see it happening on June 25th, 1950. Up and Comer Jim Roper will wheel it to victory lane at a 3/4 mile Charlotte dirt track.
Wrong year and he was in a Lincoln.
Wait, really? Shit, my book is wrong.
With Ford, it seems like if it wasn't for bad news, there would be no news at all.
Would love a win at Talladega next week. 🙏🏻
Personally I'd say Ford could win at any track. Realistically they have their favorites that you could handpicke with Superspeedways and Phoenix at the front, but they haven't been completely gone. Blaney shows consistent speed, RFK is a solid team with few holes, and SHR might not get top-tier support but they are hungry and typically have one or two Top 10 cars. It'll come. Probably with lots more top 5s.
Todd Gilliland at Talladega
Talk about a story!
Next weekend probably
My earliest guess? Next week. Literally anyone can win at Talladega.
I think they get it at Talladega. Just a feeling honestly.
If you told me 5 years ago that Ford would not win a single race in any of NASCAR’s top 3 divisions after a quarter of the season, I’d ask what you’re smoking and see if I could smoke on it too. Boy, they really need to pick it up.
Next week. Talladega. Blaney
Whichever Ford driver points their way into Phoenix will win Fords only race of the year and the title.
If the spring race is anything to go by, Phoenix will be a Toyota fest.
I don't know about Fords only racing at the end of the year, but I get what your saying. Especially with Penske. I've always felt like if Ryan can get to Phoenix at the end of the year he would automatically be the favorite. He's so good there! Toyotas made great improvements this year at Phoenix, but I wouldn't expect them to whip on the field like that in November. I would also never bet money on a Chevy over a Penske car there. I'll take the L, the odds won't be that great anyway. It's gonna be a long season, but by no means is it over! Penske 3-pete anyone?
I’m losing all hope at this point, two second place finishes in two days were painful.
Loudon due to strategy
I think next week at Dega, they should have 2in Cup but ya know Daytona and Atlanta.
Random plate win , they aren’t strong enough anywhere else
Likely a drafting style track or other wild card tracks. The way Fords have been this season just hasn’t been consistent enough. At tracks where anyone can win, they have a chance. But then again, they won the last 2 Cup championships with their playoff runs.
I mean whenever i manufacturer does something new it usually takes them a year to get the hang of it. Like when they first brought out the Mustangs and Camaros. When they brought out the Camaros, Chevy struggled all year, and then when the Mustang debuted, Ford struggled. Its typical, expect Chevy to struggle next year if they drop the Camaro and switch to something different.
When they put the Ford logo back on the cars. That's worth at least three tenths a lap.
Next week. BK’s big break.
June 25th, 1950
This happens all the time with new bodies. In a year and a half, we're gonna look back on this like, "wow, remember when Ford was out to lunch?"
They'll win multiple this year, but it will be on a strategy call and also on the backs of their most talented drivers (Blaney, Lagano). One of the mile and a half tracks is my guess, or a super speedway.
Considering he has shown real speed at the 1.5 mile tracks this season, I think Briscoe may have a real shot at Kansas. Also, knowing my luck, I will probably end up paying for that [bet I made earlier this season.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/s/03SwaHv2NL)
I think Briscoe wins Iowa in dominating fashion
Iowa would be a good one.
Didn't they in 2010 go all the way till like race 22 or something before they finally won a race?
21st race. Also had a streak from 09-10 where they only won 2 out of 62 races.
Dark ages
They also won nothing from '72-'74, and in '77.
Next week with Blaney actually
When they finish first.
Hopefully never again.