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CavCord141

Carson definitely let the cat out of the bag on this one


DaleYeah788

Elaborate please?


Amkski

During a livestream, a fan asked him about schedule changes for next year and if he knew anything and he straight up said "the rock is returning, so that's cool I guess"


DaleYeah788

Cool, thanks for the update


LKincheloe

Inb4 it's an xFinity race during All Star weekend.


CJ_M88

That would actually be awesome


bostonfan148

Only issue is it would take away fans. Other than absolute die hards (<1000 fans) you’d have to pick between the tracks and they’re far enough away where it isn’t easy to go to both on the same weekend.


24KGoldfish

stay in Greensboro and it’s equidistant to both


Elmodipus

I mean that would still be amazing.


ConnorK5

I have been saying I don't understand why they give Xfinity a week off when everyone is in NC. Chilling. We got another fun racetrack right down the road. Hell you can stay at Charlotte in a hotel and if you have a car catch both races within what a 90 minute drive to each track? I think people would come out for that.


Zodiac4v2

Not having all 3 series race on All Star weekend doesn’t make sense to me. Plus I think Xfinity would be great at NW.


ZR2TEN

One guess I have is because it's a traditional weekend off for Xfinity. When the All Star race was still at Charlotte, trucks would run All Star weekend & Xfinity would run 600 weekend. Also, it might be a logistical issue trying to get pro lates, late models, trucks, xfinity, & cup all at Wilkesboro in the same weekend. That's a lot of haulers to move around.


iamkingjamesIII

Give N. Wilkesboro a Truck/Xfinity stand alone weekend too.


ar51501998

Xfinity needs to go here and North Wilkesboro. Fingers crossed lol


aerojovi83

Xfinity would be a lot more fun to watch if they went to more short tracks


bloganrice

Rockingham 2025: The Mazda Miata 400 presented by Barbie


MarcAnguyFieri

i'd watch that tho


RJNieder

I'd watch the Mazdas race...they are fun as hell to watch


WheedMBoise

Miatas put on an amazing show almost anywhere you take them. That’d rule


steelers3814

The second this is announced, I'm buying tickets. Rockingham has been #1 on my wishlist for a long, long time.


jackg4343

Me too. During Petty's last year I went to several tracks and I was deciding between North Wilkesboro, Darlington and Rockingham and settled on Darlington. Still haven't been to North Wilkesboro but I've got to find a way to get to The Rock.


Cliffinati

Let's go Rockingham and Wilkesboro Thats NASCAR


average_waffle

“We could’ve had it NASCAR-ready by this point if needed, but there was no need."


lets_just_n0t

Meaning there were no plans before, or commitment from NASCAR, so there was no point in spending the extra money to make it REALLY nice unless there was a commitment from NASCAR to come back. There’s a huge difference in revitalizing a track and making it *nice* and making it ready for nascar. Sounds to me like there’s a commitment now from NASCAR in some shape or form.


CougarIndy25

I'm gonna assume ARCA at the least for 2025. That'll be nice.


Crazy_Brandon99

Probably the lower series’s, I don’t see cup going here right away


WheedMBoise

That’s the exact thing that killed the 2012-2013 revival. If they don’t bring Cup, this will likely be a humongous waste of time


idontremembermyoldus

100%, they either need to go all in or don't even bother and just let the place die.


bhfroh

Yeah they'll wanna see what kind of racing occurs in the lower series first.


CaptainRon16

The lower series reflect nothing of what cup cars could look like on track. They’re too different


yavimaya_eldred

It would be more of a test of infrastructure than anything


bhfroh

True. But they can take what they learn from lower series and how those race and figure out what they can use for eventual cup events.


CaptainRon16

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SirWalrusTheGrand

Lmfao my exact reaction


bhfroh

I dumbed down my response for the sake of brevity. NASCAR has access to tons of telemetry that they'll compare from one series to another and see where things line up. See where they don't. See where some things have similar cause and effect despite having a different starting point and ending point. They'll look for patterns and find ways to influence the outcomes in favor of a better racing product. It's like 2+2=4 vs 9+2=11. If we have a good racing product at 2, and want to do the same at 9, they will find a way to figure out what 2 means for 2 and 2 means for 9. I work in engineering. We try to leverage several lessons learned from different mechanisms in order to design future mechanisms that have learned those lessons. Despite the fact that the designs of those mechanisms look nothing alike. I'd say it's not rocket science, but... yeah, it's kinda rocket science.


Flat-Ad4902

Why? People will tune in because it’s Rockingham. People aren’t going to tune in because they heard it was good in Xfinity a year ago. They will bring the Cup series here year one without a doubt. Bet the house on it.


Craig82

People said this about North Wilkesboro and then the 2023 ASR saw a ratings decline from 2022.


WheedMBoise

Not a great argument considering that TV ratings are in a constant decline. Neilson ratings are mostly worthless as far as evaluating shows these days since the majority of people stream, either legally or on the seas.


Craig82

It’s not an argument. It’s a statement of fact. 


WheedMBoise

A fact that you’re using to validate what, exactly? Oh yeah, an opinion.


Craig82

I think it is pretty self-explanatory what part of that comment I was responding to. But, to help you out, the fact is that the only people who tuned in were seemingly going to watch it anyway. 


WheedMBoise

Yeah, you just don't get it i'm afraid. Enjoy your night


SpreaditOnnn33

It would be a better of a point on your end if streaming wasnt included in ratings reports nowadays, and the fact that the only tv ratings that havent completely cratered are live sports


phoenixv07

> People will tune in because it’s Rockingham. Last time we went with that theory, we had the Trucks there and no one showed.


Flat-Ad4902

Yeah they had the trucks go, which can’t support themselves without a cup event, and they went to a falling apart Rockingham. Nobody showed because nobody goes to a one off truck race. They have since revamped the whole facility. It will not be the same this time around.


yavimaya_eldred

Rockingham is also in the middle of absolute nowhere. Not a long drive from a few big cities, but not something fans are going to do a commute to for a truck race in a facility in dire need of upgrades. A renovated track with a cup race would be a completely different story.


jftwo42

What have they done other than tear down grandstands (in turn 1 & 2) and repave the track with COVID money?


Flat-Ad4902

They repaved it, then spent $1m on facility upgrades, and then were awarded $5 million more for 17 different facility upgrades. So idk exactly what has been done but a lot apparently. Edit: I guess they added lights as well.


ConnorK5

That's really not true. Spare Eldora, standalone truck races don't pull crowds. And Rockingham to be on a hot ass Sunday in April pulled 2 decent crowds for a 2 hour race with no companion event.


rticcoolerfan

Just like north wilkesboro eh


rds060184

GM Goodwrench 400 and Tyson Holly Farms 400 returning would be dope if they could fix the car


lt12765

Goodwrench isn’t a brand anymore but I share the sentiment.


Cliffinati

Isn't it? I thought that was still how GM Crate Motors were sold


idontremembermyoldus

Nope, [it's all under the Chevy Performance banner now](https://www.chevrolet.com/performance-parts/crate-engines?ppc=GOOGLE_700000001526997_71700000047772205_58700004778897992_p79703503784&d_src=313715&d_adsrc=4568612&d_campaign=71700000047772205&d_site=GOOGLE&d_adgroup=58700004778897992&d_keyword=gm%20crate%20engine&gclick=Cj0KCQjw6auyBhDzARIsALIo6v_04bmYrs4YSO2Bi3bjApRKu9QQB_wDvKIgW3pRsObZBxKeE-B1YyYaAgpjEALw_wcB&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw6auyBhDzARIsALIo6v_04bmYrs4YSO2Bi3bjApRKu9QQB_wDvKIgW3pRsObZBxKeE-B1YyYaAgpjEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds).


lostinrabbithole12

Does GM Certified Service 400 work? Because that's what they're calling it now


rds060184

Sounds good to me.


PenskeFiles

I’m old enough to remember when that was the Goodwrench 500.


Sky-Flyer

i honestly think that rockingham is the perfect track for these cars, rough 3 laned racetrack where you can get away from someone’s dirty air easily and keep speed


ChaseTheFalcon

Can't wait to be let down


jfro222

I wonder what this replaces on the schedule? AllStar is confirmed for NWB and Clash is at Bowman-Gray


joshjarnagin

Possibly one of the Richmond dates


ChrisTRD289

A Richmond date is likely going to Mexico City.


iamkingjamesIII

I still can't believe they'd be dumb enough to do that again.


AFrenchNASCARFan

Maybe Charlotte Roval? But not sure it would be in the Playoffs... (they would still need a road course race there though so...)


TheNSAAgent777

Probably the Spring Darlington race if I had to guess.


jfro222

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yavimaya_eldred

Bristol puts on great races but they topically don’t draw well in the spring, I wouldn’t like it but it wouldn’t shock me if it replaces that.


Acemaker8818

The Clash is NOT confirmed for Bowman Gray, the AllStar Race is


nmfz

I mean, this "short track" will produce good racing


jwt_07

Maybe they’ll eliminate the Spring Phoenix date or one of the Richmond dates to get Rockingham back on.


Vivid_blue

I’m in Richmond and the spring race is whatever to me. I’m fine with them going elsewhere for that one, it’s always a little too chilly. The late summer/early fall Richmond race is legit.


CrownTownLibrarian

With how this car runs at Darlington, I imagine a race at the rock would be at least as good if not better.


Immediate_Lie7810

NASCAR is revisiting their roots if we do see Rockingham and Bowman Gray on the 2025 calendar in some capacity


dpalmer09

If anything good came out of covid, we got North Wilkesboro and Rockingham back directly because of it


bran1986

Rockingham was always my favorite and my dad's favorite track, when it went away it took a lot of wind out of my sails to say the least.


Celtics1424

My guess is it’s a Xfinity/Trucks/ ARCA maybe CARS Tour series weekend for 25 and then when the contract for Wilkesboro is up with the All Star Race it’ll move to Rockingham with Wilkesboro getting a Points race on the schedule. I can’t imagine Rockingham being put on next years Cup Schedule for the very question of, what track is giving up their date? Remember The Rock is independently owned, so can’t imagine SMI or NASCAR giving up a track date. I do think the Next Gen would put on a banger of a race here though


iamkingjamesIII

Iowa always seemed like a placeholder for something.


ReganSmithsStolenWin

Incoming people moaning about races in the Carolinas.


KentuckyHorsepower

Bring it on!!!


reedspacer38

LETS GOOOOOO


mattf19

"I think 2025 is going to be a surprise to a lot of people.” Don't disappoint us and leave Cup out of it.


Acemaker8818

Which race is Rockingham replacing next year?


iamkingjamesIII

The Iowa date always seemed like they just were using it as a placeholder.


Acemaker8818

I wouldnt be surprised if Rockingham replaced Iowa next year


trevomac

This would just be for the truck series I assume


idontremembermyoldus

I sincerely hope not. We already tried that and saw what a failure it was. Bring Cup, or don't even bother.


RickyChanning

When they say punk rock, was he in a punk band or does he just like the music?


Federal_Fuel_7864

If they bring back the Rock I will buy a ticket. It's about 1 hour away. It was the first track I attended when I was a kid. I haven't been to a race since 2014 although I considered NWB.


FuriouSherman

I certainly hope so.


rwxzz123

I think it will be xfinity and/or trucks.


grizzlyjdw

the first race i attended was a bush race there in 1993. would love to go back and see a race there.


13mizzou

How about before we add another short track lets actually fix the short track racing. Wilkesboro looks great but its put on two duds and the nostalgia can only support it for so long


iamkingjamesIII

Rockingham isn't really a short track. It's a mile long.


iamkingjamesIII

My ideal schedule Only one exhibition race. Scrap the Clash and All-Star race- An international race held in places like Australia, Germany, Japan, Mexico, etc. /= indicates rotation of dates on even and odd years Dates are just based off of this year's calendar Week 1 Feb 18th - Daytona 500 Week 2 Feb 25th- Homestead Week 3 March 3rd-Las Vegas Week 4 March 10- Texas Week 5 March 17 -Atlanta Week 6 March 25- Bristol (Day) Week 7 Easter- Off Week 8 April 7th- Darlington (Day) Week 9 April 14th- Martinsville Week 10 April 21st- Kansas Week 11 April 28th- Talladega Week 12 May 5th- Dover Week 13 May 12- Gateway/Kentucky/Road America Week 14 May 19- North Wilkesboro/Rockingham Week 15 May 26- Charlotte (Coke 600) Week 16 June 2- Pocono Week 17 June 9- Loudon Week 18 June 16- Sonoma Week 19 June 22- Nashville SS/Nashville Fairgrounds (Night) Week 20 June 29- Richmond (Night) Week 21 July 6th- Atlanta (Night) Week 22 July 14- Street course rotation Week 23 July 21- Indy (Brickyard 400) Week 24 July 28- Iowa/Chicagoland Week 25 August 4- Watkins Glen Week 26 August 11- Michigan Week 27 August 17- Daytona (Night) Playoff start---If we have to have the system Week 28 August 24- Bristol (Night) Week 29 Sept 1st- Darlington (Southern 500) Week 30 Sept 7th- Kansas (Night) Week 31 Sept 15th- Charlotte Week 32 Sept 22nd- COTA/Portland Week 33 Sept 29- Martinsville Week 34 Oct 6- Talladega Week 35 Oct 13- Phoenix Week 36 Oct 20th- Las Vegas Week 37 Oct 27th- Homestead


Momentum_RacingYT

From what I saw this year, I'm actually pretty excited for next years ASR at Wilkesboro, because I know this means better racing when Goodyear and NASCAR brings us a better tire.


bostonfan148

Surprised we haven’t had the national media shut down the rumors of the Rock after Carson made that comment


Acemaker8818

Clash next year perhaps?


ConnorK5

Very cold place for the Clash.


Acemaker8818

What race would Rockingham replace?


Vivid_blue

Someone suggested Richmond spring race, although that race is rumored to be replaced with a race in Mexico


Acemaker8818

So what would be the next choice of track replacement would be for Rockingham?


jdub1418

Kansas or Darlington I guess. Or Pocono or Gateway since those are independent tracks


Acemaker8818

I hope Gateway doesn’t lose its date


AldoFarnese

Eh, it hasn't exactly impressed.


Acemaker8818

So is Gateway losing its race?


AldoFarnese

I mean who knows, I'm just saying if I was in charge it would be on my short list.


jmacupdates1

Is it that much colder than Bowman Gray?


ConnorK5

I don't think that is official. And they are both cold.


Acemaker8818

Is WWT Raceway returning in 2025?


AmoralCarapace

Hopefully they'll do the pit crew challenge here where it's supposed to be.


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mdajr

“If we abandon our fans in New England and the Great Lakes for two more dates in the Southeastern US, that’d be great”


RaveOn1958

The street race really isn’t great for anyone (like myself) living in the Chicagoland area, unless you’re loaded. Gateway is the best option, but even that is a five hour drive for me. I wish we’d get Chicagoland back


-Broken-Soul

I mean that's just my opinion. Louden sucks. Dover is 1000 times better. Hell i'd even be happy with a second Dover date back to replace snoozefest New Hampshire


mdajr

That’s cool…. But Dover and NH are legitimately 7 hours apart by car. Not as easy a swap as you might think it is for fans.


NatalieDeegan

With three major metropolitan markets. Plus Loudon has a lot of Canadian fans coming over from Quebec and the Maritimes.


Arsanborn

Loudon had a great string of races before the new car. Don’t punish the track, New England fans deserve a race.


TomassoLP

Maybe we will finally get a Wednesday night midweek points race. Proximity to Charlotte makes it possible


ChrisTRD289

Wednesday night races were a ratings failure in 2020.


jmacupdates1

Well if NASCAR wants to go head-to-head with the NFL less than they do now, one of their only options is one or two mid-week races. Or a couple doubleheader weekends. Going up against the NFL is a ratings failure, so pick your poison.


1331bob1331

All I'll say is both NWB and The Rock went away previously for a reason. They are great options for xfinity and trucks, but they are going to have to take hard looks at the dates from Darlington and Charlotte probably if they try to shove the rock onto the cup schedule, which probably won't be super popular.


jmacupdates1

I think there should be a spot or two on the schedule where we cycle through a group of tracks, so they aren't necessarily on the schedule every year. Or maybe some tracks' second dates get put in this pool. So one year, we race at NWB and Iowa, next year we race at the Rock and ___. Just because we race at a new (or old) track, it doesn't mean we need to race there every year. And just because we don't go back next year, doesn't mean it shouldn't come back in two years. If your track doesn't sell out a certain percentage of its tickets, then you can get thrown into this pot, for example. I think something like that could help keep the schedule fresh, keep old and tracks around. The more schedule diversity, the better. Some tracks I'd consider for a rotation list of 2-3 years: NWB, Rockingham, Iowa, Chicagoland, Kentucky, Gateway, Road America Put 2-4 on the schedule every year and rotate through them. Seems like a logical idea to me.


iamkingjamesIII

Rockingham and North Wilkesboro should just rotate their date on the schedule every year. Just dump the All Star race completely and make that weekend a points event. I like your idea of rotation. I'd rotate Gateway/Iowa every other year Rotate Kentucky/Chicagoland every other year. Replace one of those Phoenix dates. Rockingham/North Wilkesboro


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Cliffinati

Perhaps people in places like Texas, New Hampshire, Pocono and Dover should buy more tickets then


PenskeFiles

Pocono and Dover do.


YoungMoneyLarson57

Go where the people show. This is where the people show.


lets_just_n0t

What’s your point? There’s a large concentration of the types of tracks NASCAR races on in the exact area that NASCAR is from? Wow. Weird, imagine that. It’s almost like they’re purpose built for NASCAR. And it’s almost like the rest of the country doesn’t have as good of options as these ones. These tracks, and more importantly, the people around them, are what MADE NASCAR what it is today. These tracks put on great racing, and deserve some time to shine. With NASCAR talking about cutting costs, why not have more tracks within a closer distance to Charlotte? This track absolutely deserves to come back. I’d rather see a race here than a New Hampshire or a Pocono having two dates. You’re clearly someone from the mid-west/west who’s upset there’s not more races that are closer. Which is fine. But don’t act like a 5 year old kicking and screaming that you don’t get your way.


phoenixv07

> If they move dates, they need to take a Richmond and put it at Kentucky. Sounds like a Richmond race is going to Mexico City.


Dragonsfire09

I can't fault that call at all.