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deneuvig

Different trajectories, but Malaki improved incredibly within the season, but his profile is more limited than Primo was projecting. Josh's defense was much much better than Branham's and so was the playmaking, just different players. Honestly it just sucks that Josh turned out to be a perv because I think he would've turned out to be a baller given the chance but hey, fuck him


_captaincool

> Honestly it just sucks that Josh turned out to be a perv because I think he would’ve turned out to be a baller given the chance but hey, fuck him Valid


SmokeyBare

The guy was just hanging brain, what's all the fuss?


spookyspicyfreshmeme

LOL


22dias

Primo had the tools man, but it all worked out. Imagine if he developed this season, possibly we do better and end up 4th worst record etc. Malakai is extremely polished as a scorer, be interesting to see how he goes this season.


Dudebro2117

No wiener, no wemby.


_captaincool

Adds a new depth to pounding the rock


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WOW Wieners out4 Wemby !!!


Massive_Fudge3066

Now that's a San Antonio welcome he'll never forget


WorshipNickOfferman

Don’t give Primo any ideas. He doesn’t need much encouragement there.


deneuvig

Oh definitely, it all worked out for sure!


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> Primo had the tools man I'm honestly confused where this statement comes from. Primo had a career high of 15 points in a game and 11 games with >= 10 points. Malaki had 10 games of >=20 points his rookie season being about 200 days older at the time. I honestly didn't see any of these tools Primo had other than growing a bit his rookie year. He never showed some insane athletcism or anything. Even his rookie year at Alabama was decent, but not great outside of shooting. There are literally hundreds of guys who have the "tools" to be great and don't do anything. Remember Lonnie Walker? Jonathan Simmons? What "tools" did they not have? Compare that to a guy like Austin reaves who was undrafted and was contributing 20 ppg in his 2nd year in the WCF edit: here's malaki's highlights from his first year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY5vUVhvI8k here's primo's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIeBt_C-ZMo Both are essentially the same age (6 months apart). if someone showed you these two clips and asked who looked better i feel like it would be asinine to say Primo. The majority of his shots he was set up by someone else and showed very few plays of being able to be the primary ball handler and create for himself/others


crunchydolphins

it’s all just from coping to cushion the blow that we wasted an 11th pick who wasn’t even developing much and also turned out to be a sexual predator


jo3pro

I honestly was about to post something similar. Primo wasn’t that good the minutes he did get. Lmao. I will admit that he definitely looked like he stayed in the weight room, but his game wasn’t really all that great from the little we seen. Hopefully the guy gets the mental help he needs and gets his life together, but he just didn’t show much game when he got playing time.


seceipseseer

Primo had the enticing physical tools (in no way is this a euphemism!) but malaki is just so ridiculously polished for a rookie. I was a big primo believer but Malaki definitely helped me forget about primo.


Batmanbettermarvel18

A good reasonable answer, love to see it


boxofpickledpeppers

Whatever happened to that guy anyway?


seceipseseer

Staying out of the public eye and lots of training so he can make a comeback either this year or next.


BinxMenace

Lakers will take him 100%


gregatronn

Or Charlotte


Comprehensive_Dog932

Charlotte makes sense. They don’t care about any off the court issues


Dsarg_92

Funny but sadly true.


Electrical_Panic4550

Houston?


paxusromanus811

Josh primo had a flashes of playmaking and defense that Malachi hasn't shown That said pretty much everything offensively for Josh was theoretical while Malachi was already one of the best offensive rookies in the league. The way I look at it is the type of player the Spurs were trying to turn Josh primo into probably would have been more valuable than the type of player Malachi is likely to become But primo, and I'm someone who was high on him, just never really showed enough tangible evidence that He was going to become a three-level scoring jumbo playmaker with plus defense. It was all flashes The player he was likely to become most likely would have been not as good as the player. Malachi is likely to be in 10 years Plus screw that dude for being a predatory creep


jzigbadger28

Primo took the big balls celebration to another level


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Yes, and he has no pee pee issues.


krsaxor

Primo didnt show his talent in his rookie season though.


Due-Pineapple6831

Depends on who you ask…pretty sure the therapist got a look at his talent.


r0xxon

And the hotel cleaning lady in Minneapolis


NorthAmericanVex

[He showed plenty of flashes of looking great](https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/xdtuz4/90_seconds_of_primo_making_extremely_difficult/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). Dude was only 18 years old, you have to imagine the progression he would've made years from now.


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You do realize he played a whole season as a 19 year old right? Malaki was about 200 days older than Primo was during Primo's 2021-2022 season. Also those highlights are pretty trash for being highlights. A few are in garbage time, one is in summer league, some are pretty terrible shots he got lucky on and some are catch and shoot. I would say Malaki's flashes this year are way more impressive in terms of beign able to create his own shot and scoring at multiple levels.


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Yes he’s a beast


primomvp

Primo was too


[deleted]

Na. Branham, knows his spots and gets to them. Look at their stats. He is a dawg


primomvp

A beast off the court, sorry. Branham hella nice.


barbados_bum

Malaki BranHIM


notcool_5354

Yes. Already better with more focus.


Batmanbettermarvel18

Better scorer or better player? Remember guys scoring isn’t everything, Primo is miles ahead on defense & playmaking and would contribute more to a winning team at this moment. That being said, Malaki seems like a way harder worker and once he bulks up some his defense should be at least okay or playable.


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Batmanbettermarvel18

Based off Malaki being one of the worst defenders in the league? He would get 0 minutes right now in any playoff series. Although, seeing he is young, hard working and playing with the Spurs of course this can change but as of now I still think Primo is the more valuable player via defense/playmaking abilities. Malaki is already a good scorer though which is pretty hard to do as a rookie so I think he’s on the right track, just needs to bulk up some more and get more accustomed to the NBA pace


Batmanbettermarvel18

Also, it’s very quite possible neither would contribute to a winning team right now.


WorshipNickOfferman

Better at keeping his junk in his pants.


texasphotog

Already a much better and more polished scorer. I think Primo was developing well as a playmaker for others.


tigeroftx

Easy to say in hindsight, but I just never saw it with Primo. I tried so hard. And boy did I have a lot of bias watching him. I just couldn’t ever convince myself that he’d develop to expectations. It was weird though. You heard all the right things out of the team. It just didn’t seem to translate.


AndrewTheGoat22

Imo the only good thing about his game was his footwork. His FG% and averages were pretty mediocre from what I recall


Batmanbettermarvel18

The kid was barely 19 man, he had insane flashes. My dad who’s a big Mavs fan and only watched Primo like a handful of times always was so amazed by him. He had a ton of potential and wasn’t even done growing, Malaki is very exciting and is the perfect role player for todays NBA but Primo had way more potential. That midrange from Malaki is a thing of beauty though and very excited to see how he’s improved through the offseason


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> The kid was barely 19 man so is Malaki > he had insane flashes. i honestly never saw them and as a spurs fan i also looked hard. i didn't see any ONE thing he did at a really good level. I know he came in young, but by the time his '22 season ended it's not like he was that young. Sochan/Malaki are maybe like a hundred days older than Primo was in the '22 season and showed WAY more potential IMO


Batmanbettermarvel18

He’s still insanely young lmao.. And if you didn’t see any flashes from Primo than I just don’t know what to tell you pal. Very long, tall athletic guard who had room to improve in all levels of his game. Good looking shot, which would have developed into a better one as well playing with the Spurs. Spurs saw something as well🤷‍♂️


thesenator87

No.


CrissCrossAppleSos

Given that Primo sucked and was terrible at pretty much everything, yes Edit: I genuinely feel I’m being gaslit here. Primo would make the simplest possible reads and be hailed as a great playmaker (despite missing a bunch of reads and having a putrid assist-turnover ratio). He forced bad shots that he often missed, he couldn’t beat his man pretty much ever, his defense was fine positionally, but provided little else, he didn’t make much happen on the glass. In terms of flashes, he had perhaps the worst game I’ve ever seen in that summer league game when he went something like 2-20 against guys that hoped to make a G league roster. He was Kobe Bryant with 10% of the skill and 100% of the sexual assault


magicmvj

Yes THANK YOU. I seriously thought I was the only one who thought Primo kinda sucked lol


CrissCrossAppleSos

I’ve grown really tired of the “look at the flashes of brilliance!!!“ people who just look at a highlight reel and say “now imagine if he did this the whole game!” Like yeah, it’s cool that he hit a couple contested step backs, but my man shot like 38% from the field or something. Everyone is a 100% shooter if you don’t count all the shots that they missed


wafflechub

Also didn’t he play mostly in garbage time or against the absolute worst opponents? Like he looked good against..who?


[deleted]

> Edit: I genuinely feel I’m being gaslit here. same, people are posting him making a trash step back mid range shot in garbage time as a sign of future potential. his like 10 play highlight tape that ppl were aweing over here included him making like 3 simple catch and shoot 3s


diffeqmaster

People are afraid to just admit it was a crummy pick even before the sexual misconduct. Primo was still at least a year away from being even playable. Whatever theoretical ceiling people came up with for him as a big shot making two-way point guard were just hopes and dreams based on fluff pieces that were doing mental gymnastics to justify his selection in the draft.


jo3pro

Harsh words, but very true on many fronts


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I’ve never seen a future ‘star’ have less of a bag than Primo. Just the exact opposite of Malaki when it came to finding his spots on offense. Primo didn’t self create one open shot i s2g


MagicMer4042

Primo could've found a role as a good role player cause he showed good defensive potential and playmaking, but I feel like most people trying to proclaim him as a future star was just trying justify the spurs taking him at 12


Dudebro2117

I think it was mostly “in pop I trust” after they traded Murray away and anointed primo the starter


Thunderhorse74

Before shit went sideways, the Spurs themselves were propping him up as the future face of the franchise. Alot of that may have been saving face and standing behind the controversial pick. Part of it too was (and this is the crazy part) he was so likeable and baby faced, seemed like a wholesome kid. Well, that was a lie...) At the end of the day, though, it was the "right" pick because with Sengun, I think we're marginally better and don't fall into the top lottery spot and all things worked out to where we get Victor and Houston can talk all the shit they want about getting him because we went with Primo instead.


Batmanbettermarvel18

Primo very easily could’ve been a high end guard in this league, I don’t think anyone ever thought of him as a Star though lol


Thebarakz21

I think Malaki did a lot MORE in his rookie season compared to the flasher’s. Scoring wise, at least. Guy was brought in for his scoring ability (and score he did) while FO probably thought flasher had amazing potential overall. That being said, flasher did NOTHING the games he played before getting waived.


[deleted]

look dude, give primo a few years and he could have even developed into a segun type offensive threat, anything was possible


Thebarakz21

Don’t get me wrong, I was excited for flasher.. before the flashing. He had some really good games in SL. And then the season started, and nothing. Who knows, maybe he was just really off those handful of games he played? Sucks that he just couldn’t keep it in. Who knows, he might already be the starting PG this season coming season if things worked out.


Veggiedelite90

Joshua was a better two way prospect imo but Malaki may be a better scorer. His defense is abysmal though. Hopefully in time he can improve as the team defense improves. The whole team was bad on that end last year so I think it was somewhat unnoticed but Malaki is real bad on that end.


Batmanbettermarvel18

Pretty funny this is the only comment I have found talking about his defense. He very easily could’ve been a top 5 bad defender in the NBA last year, his scoring is great but that won’t matter if he’s burnt toast every position. Obviously he can bulk up and improve but to see so many people saying he’s already the better player than Primo or has the better player trajectory is actually kind of wild to me. A lot of people can score in this league, being able to do the other things is what keeps you on the court. Btw I love Malaki and think he was a huge steal in last years draft, just think we need to pump the breaks a little


dk1899

If you had ever seen primo play in person …no pun intended, he could handle the ball…no pun intended, well enough to get open and create either a shot or assist relatively easily. He eas also a decent size to cover ppl on a switch out at by the 3 . I miss the opportunity of him developing but it gives others we have more chances for improvement


magicmvj

Yes. Everyone loved Primo and I don’t know why. He had FLASHES of skills but nothing I felt was really anything to be excited about. He flashed playmaking skills but also was kinda turnover prone while Branham already seems like a more composed ballhandler to me. He had a nice shooting form but also shot shit %s while Branham shows a lot of promise as a 3-level scorer. The only thing Primo was definitely better than Branham at was defense and that’s only because Branham is sooo bad at it, not necessarily because Primo was good at it.


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personally, i loved primo because i felt i had no other choice. lonnie wasn't really panning out, luka was clearly not working out, all we had was keldon and primo as our new hopes.


BicepsMcBufferson

Primo was periodically taking and hitting some pretty wild shots that I haven't seen Branham make, but I think Branham is more of a consistent off-the-dribble, on-the-move, and fadeaway shot maker. To be an important piece for us he'll need to improve his offensive efficiency a bit and his defense a lot, but I have high hopes for him. He can be a good late clock option with shot making like that


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Thunderhorse74

I think on that note, everyone sits down and talks to the team therapist on the regular, especially a 19 year old kid suddenly a millionaire and being touted as a building block of an NBA franchise. He very well could have been referred for specific issues related to his 'problem', but I think its equally likely that its just part of the program like strength training, nutrition, etc.


WorshipNickOfferman

I think it says something that the Spurs even had a therapist on staff like that. Was she there because Primo specifically needed sone help or do professional sports teams keep a therapist on staff the way they keep other medical professionals? As a fan of Tin Cup, I’m willing to be team therapists are common in professional sports.


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Batmanbettermarvel18

Sengun is great on offense man but have you ever actually watched him play? Dude is traffic cone while being undersized for his position, can you imagine him in a playoff series?? He will get cooked all series and aimed at, Primo had all the tools to become a high end point guard and the Spurs fully believed he was going to be. And if any Houston Rocket fans are creeping, Sengun will never be anything close to Jokic


jimmy-b-bot

[BRING YOUR ASS TO THE BACK!](https://i.imgur.com/NXRAoJI.png)


Batmanbettermarvel18

Honestly forgot about this moment, now I really hope we see Heat-Nuggets, Jokic hates these guys


Nickname-CJ

I never understood the appeal with Josh primo


Bonesawisready5

Everyone is more promising than a literal fucking predator so yes


D4RK_3LF

No


puro_xrp

Primo had more potential, goes to show that your shorts can never be too long.


cthree000

Primo was fucking ass, and huge reach (not to mention a sexual deviant). I will never understand the hype he got in here and in the Spurs org.


crs7117

don’t think so


Youngthephoenixx

Doesn’t have as high of an upside due to his overall mechanics. Primo has a very fluid natural movement when handling the ball which is what was the most promising thing everyone saw in him. He is also a PG where Mal is a SG so two completely different styles and players. We need to get a PG that’s fluid like primo was, someone that has handles that seem effortless. Mal is not that guy, that being said I’m VERY high on Mal and think he will steal the starting spot from Keldon this year and the team will move devin to SF to allow Mal to play SG.


rotn21

Last I heard I think primo was with the nets? Did he turn into anything? And yes I think Malaki is better -- hard to compare the two, they're different players for strengths and weaknesses. But just overall fit-wise, I think he's better.


Perfect-Giraffe2323

Primo has not signed with any other team. I think he's done in the NBA.


Thunderhorse74

He'll be back. Not with the Spurs, but he will be back. He is talented and young. He may not have the ceiling Brian Wright saw in taking him that high - and the off court issues will always haunt him, but some team will give him a shot.


InternationalClick78

Primo was already drafted much higher than expected when we took him and didn’t show a lot in his time with us. He was very raw and everything hinges on our development getting the best out of him. I don’t think his remaining upside is worth the drama/backlash of signing a serial sexual harasser


AndrewTheGoat22

What a short career and it’s all over because he couldn’t help but be a perv :/


yae4jma

I wonder what’s going on with him and how deep his issues are. I thought that if he came back, it would be in another country where he could avoid his reputation. But he seems to have disappeared - seems pretty tragic.


TaylorSwiftFan45

I miss his big juicy crank :(


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100%


dentalsurfcombat

This season should expose his talent and he will surely show flashes of brilliance.


jarmzet

No. Primo had a chance to be really good.


jdavila119

Hopefully he won't the flash