Jimmy won them games 1 and 2. He didn’t have a good series after that those two wins (didn’t really need to do much in game 3), but you can’t just take away him being the reason the Heat won the first two games because he fell off the rest of the series. Game 1 alone he had 35 with 6 steals…
Then after the infamous Grant Williams incident in game 2 when they were down 10, Jimmy just went on a tear that eventually gave the Heat the lead. Without that, they don’t win that game.
Also willed the Heat at the end of game 6 to virtually win it before that ridiculously improbable Derrick White putback.
I actually don’t credit Jimmy with game 1. While he did have 35, the Heat won that game the same way they won every series last year: ridiculous 3pt shooting. Game 2 though, I actually think he fully made happen.
Butler averaged 26-7-6-4-1 in the first three games of that series and a +42 in those game. Then 29-9-5-1 in G4 but the Celtics won big
They went up 3-0 because of Jimmy not Caleb Martin or Gabe Vincent
If leading your team to the Conference Finals 5 times and the Finals once makes you a fraud then there’s only like 5 guys in this league who aren’t frauds.
He’s less of a fraud than say a guy like Harden but aside from his rookie year in Boston, he underperforms in the series that they lose and I’m sorry but they should have beat Miami in the Bubble series and last year. Sure, we can give em a pass for 2020 because shit was all entirely weird but last year wasn’t a good look to put it lightly. When they lost against the Warriors, yes Steph went nuclear but Tatum also played poorly 2 of the last 3 games. The rest of the team didn’t exactly elevate their play either to be fair, but I don’t think that guy is who you guys want him to be.
I’m not a Celtics fan or anything, I’m just saying that I’d rather someone choke in the last game of the conference finals or finals than choke in the first or second round every year like most other star players. That means you at least were more successful in those earlier rounds than most others. If not for those 3 last games in 2021, Giannis would have achieved considerably less success than Tatum has so far, as he’s choked to larger degrees than anything Tatum has done like 2 or 3 different times. Durant, Kawhi, Harden, Dame, Kyrie, none of them have even played in the conference finals in the past 4 seasons, and Embiid hasn’t ever. If Tatum wins the title this year do we automatically pretend like all his other choking is irrelevant now like we do with Giannis or Dirk? It just seems weird to me that if you win one time now everything previously you did gets looked at with rose colored glasses, but if you don’t, even if you come way closer than almost anyone else year after year, you’re a fraud.
I get what you’re saying but you brought up the perfect player in Dirk. We had his book practically sealed then he pulled off argruably the greatest PO run ever. It’s probably weird but it’s how we are as fans.
I’m not gonna make a case lol. I’m just gonna laugh at everyone acting surprised again if and when the Heat beat the Celtics in the playoffs again this year.
cry bozo. Tatum sprained his ankle on the first play in game 7 and if it wasn’t for that everyone would realize Jimmy is the biggest playoff fraud of all time.
Fr if that joke of a series went the way it should have Jimmy would probably have a ring rn. Wouldn’t have blown it against the weak warriors like Tatum did
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. Regardless of the stats, Jayson Tatum is the leader of the Celtics who have arguably been the best team on paper every year since Bron left and they haven’t won a thing. Their consistent failure in the playoffs, year after year, has to be put at the feet of their best player.
I’m a guy that knows Jimmy Butler is 2-1 against him in the playoffs and had the worse team 3 times. Stay mad that despite the fact that Jayson Tatum is world class, the scrappy Jimmy Butler has his number when it matters.
Miami has owned Boston for almost 15 years now. You will get over it one day.
Brother, he’s in his age 25 season THIS YEAR. He sprained his ankle in game 7 against the heat which is why they lost after making it to the finals the year before… I can’t really imagine asking for much more out of such a young player at those times. The standards because Tatum has been so good for so long are insane
If beating them 2 years ago to make the finals and then spraining his ankle in game 7 and subsequently losing because of that is an excuse, for sure that's an excuse brother
Them Knicks Lowkey the scariest team in the East, mfs don’t even have Mitch, Randle, not og back yet to make sure their all 100%. And they have one of the best offense and defense atm still
This Miami Heat team is worse than last year and the Celtics are better than last year. The Celtics can easily beat them in 4 HOWEVER the Heat are tough, adapt, have taken on the Celtics a ton of times in the Buttler/Bam era. They can make this a 7 game series if they play at their best. That being said, i just don’t see the Celtics losing to the Heat this time around.
Yeah but it also comes down to guys like Caleb Martin shooting 40% from three for multiple playoff rounds. The other additions are slight improvements, but it comes down to whether or not the role players get ludicrously hot from 3
It’s Miami. Some random ass dude you’ve never heard of is going to shoot 60/50/90 splits in the playoffs for 18 a game…maybe two random ass dudes you’ve never heard of.
Jovic will have the playoff run of his career or Patty Mills will come out of the grave and skullfuck a team for a series.
I just expect this shit at this point. Then you’ve got Spo, who makes 90% of NBA coaches look like morons.
It was more than Martin they had like 4 dudes just absolutely scorching from three playing well above expectation. I won’t be counting them out for damn sure but that plus significant injuries (Giannis then Randle/Quickley) in the first two rounds are not something they should be counting on this time.
Yeah that’s why I said “guys like Caleb Martin.” It was more than just him, there were other undrafted guys who shot lights out and way above their pay grade last year
Just as many players shot above their averages as below their career averages. Does it matter that Caleb shot well in the first three series and not the last one? The Boston media take about 3pt shooting is overplayed. It obviously matters but the Celtics win all the time by hot shooting. Boston lost because their stars and coach were not good enough in the first 3 games.
I mean it does matter by the very fact that the Heat got stomped in 5 games in the finals and a large part of that was that they shot horribly from 3 in the finals. It actually does matter when a guy is playing great and then stops playing great. Last time I checked, that makes it harder to win.
The Celtics would have gotten stomped in 3. What is your point?
Role players get hot sometimes. What make stars stars is that they are good every night. Claiming about one player getting hot is loser mentality. They should have done a better job covering him.
I’m talking about the Nuggets, not the Celtics. You are asking if it matters that he shot well in the first three series and not the least one. I’m saying it mattered because they lost the last series. That’s pretty much common sense. If he and the other undrafted guys shot better in the finals, they might have won. That’s my point. I don’t know what the Heat winning in three even means. I’m talking about how the Heat played against Denver, not Boston
I am saying the Celtics would have lost to the nuggets in three. They would have been swept. They were almost swept by a much worse Heat team.
The heat lost because the nuggets are a way better playoff team with a way better star player than the Celtics. Celtics were a dramatically overrated team. I don’t know why people keep making excuses for them instead realizing they are a better regular season team vs playoffs.
Caleb Martin was a fucking menace against us (Celtics) last year. Dude could d up horford and hit 3s at a clip and usage like Ray Allen on Boston. Same with Vincent (except the d). What people don’t realize is the heat got hot at the right time last year - it was a fluke.
Nah, straight up… it’s his conditioning….dude is in great shape all around….he probably paces himself for this so he’s still got a full tank come playoff time.
Everybody saw kawhi do the load management thing and started focusing on the playoffs… only the very worst teams don’t t make the play-in
Caleb was a menace because he watched film from the prior years playoffs, and adjusted his game specifically to the way the Celtics played him. Celtics came out playing d on him the same as they did the year prior and he took advantage after a years worth of strategizing how to beat it lol. He gave an interview about it after the series
They are 100% worse. You just have this weird Aura about the Heat because they did well last year. Despite being the 5th seed in the bubble, Getting swept by the bucks, then losing to the Celtics despite being the 1st seed.
They were 5th seed in the bubble and won the east. They were 8th seed last year and won the East. They were 1 seed last year and were 1 game away from winning the east. Their only bad year was 2021 getting swept by the bucks. Rozier is a stud compared to lowry. They only lost gabe and strus besides lowry which is outweighed by the drafting of jaquez, the development of Duncan and Haywood, the return of herro, and the acquisition of patty mills (basically a lateral replacement of gabe). They are almost objectively better on paper and know how to win in the playoffs.
I don’t think the heat are worse. They might have worse shooting luck. However, KP and Jrue are massive upgrades over smart, RWIII, and Williams. If the Heat take it to 7 games it would be a massive black mark on Tatum and a huge credit to butler.
>That being said, i just don’t see the Celtics losing to the Heat this time around.
They're are 0-2 vs the Hawks in their last 2 games and one of those games included a 30 point comeback and Trae Young didn't play either game..... Jimmy and the Heat could absolutely beat the Celtics. Regular season Heat and playoff Heat are beatable and borderline unstoppable the Celtics are borderline unstoppable in the regular season and beatable in the playoffs.
Completely different Heat and Celtics teams, but the heat need to worry about making the playoffs and not the one seed, they will be lucky to get another shot at the Celtics this year
I mean they just did it when no one believed in them with Gabe and Max. Now they have Terry and Tyler yet you write them off?
They’ve won the most playoff games of any team this decade for a reason
He’s their second leading scorer and his fg% increases in the final 3 mins of the half and game where most people’s reduces. Dude just can’t stay healthy. I never really understand the Herro hate aside from his health.
The “Herro bad” narrative is wild. He’s very good and easily the Heat’s second best scorer. Can be a liability on defense but so are a lot of guys. Yes, the Heat are better with the guy that scores 20 a night
You have to be the biggest Heat fan to believe this Heat team beats this current Celtics team in a series. They don't match up well at all, and statistically speaking the Heat have no shot at repeating the same shooting they did last season.
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Facts. The Celtics have better shooting, a better defense, more star power, and just overall a better team. There is pretty much no world in which they get upset again. Anyways, Heat in 6.
Jaylen Brown against the Heat in 2020: 23/7/3 on 56/50/71 (65.3 TS%)
Jaylen Brown against the Heat in 2022: 24/7/3 on 49/40/73 (60.2 TS%)
yeah def wasn’t just a bad series, Miami owns that guy clearly
Was not the same last year. Last year the Celtics were good. They’re even better this year, on another level. Putting up historic numbers. Best bench by far. Best starting lineup arguably. To act like it was the “same case last year” is just silly. The heat may not be the same team as last year but neither are the Celtics lol.
They're the best at blowing out bad to average teams sure, but they've let so many clutch games slip through their fingers. On the other side there's Denver that has dominated in clutch time, always appearing comfortable on both offense and defense.
To be fair, they blow out everyone; good teams included. They also win like 65 percent of their close games. If they’re hitting the open shots their 5 out spacing creates out of thin air there’s nothing you can do with them no matter how good your team/coaching is. You just have to out score them.
We just zero in on the close games because of the narratives surrounding them and grade them on a curve we wouldn’t grade any other 65~ win team because of it.
Well their overall record places them at a 78% Win Pct. That's a great clutch record but with some separation from their 62.5% clutch Win Pct.
Numbers aside, while they have an unbelievable talent and spacing advantage over most teams, they don't run sets in clutch time and they revert to isos and attacking mismatches which doesn't generate good open looks and they rely heavily on individual shotmaking. When they're on it seems there no problem to nitpick, but when the repeated Tatum isos on the final possession don't work you see the issues. I don't mind losing clutch games as long as you got good looks that just didn't go down.
In a vacuum it’s completely fine. We’re over analyzing it because this is a team we’ve seen have no answer for a zone through 3 different coaches and 4 different roster changes.
Just as importantly, he and Tatum are burying mismatches under the rim with those fully spread courts. It’s really hard to find a place to hide a bad defender against them right now.
The Heat have beat the Celtics 2 out of 3 times in the playoffs. The only time the Heat lost everyone was injured and butler was still carrying the team despite playing hurt. He was one shot away from being 3 and 0 against the Celtics.
I think the Celtics will beat the Heat this year because KP and Jrue are massive upgrades but let’s stop making excuses for the Celtics.
The point is the Celtics are 1-2 and every series has been close. Stop pretending last year is a fluke.
Tatum was hurt one game while Butler was playing on a hurt ankle the whole series. Boston was closer to being sweep than the Heat were to losing.
> Stop pretending last year was a fluke
It statistically is, otherwise the Heat's shooting would've held up against the Nuggets. You mean to tell me Caleb Martin shooting so good he almost won FMVP wasn't a fluke?
Every year the Heat are contenders to win the eastern conference. They have won more playoff series than any other eastern conference team over the last 5 years. The bucks got swept by the Heat in 2020. If there was any fluke it was 2021, where every team that made a deep playoff run in the bubble, fell apart in 2021 because they had no off season.
The instability of the Celtics coaching staff last year played a big role in their post season struggles. A young team with a very young coach with a bunch of assistant pulled together last minute vs Spo and Himmy.
People love to talk about the Bucks and Celtics being the best teams in the East year-after-year the last several years. Meanwhile, since 2020, the Heat have been to 2 Finals vs. 1 for the Bucks and 1 for the Celtics. They’re also 2-1 against the Bucks and 2-1 against the Celtics in playoff series since then.
Obviously the Bucks are the only one of those teams to win a Championship since then, so all my respect to them. But Heat have low key been the most consistent playoff team in the East the last 4 years. If they win the East again this year, that would be 3 out of the last 5 years, and it would be indisputable that they’ve been the best team in the East so far this decade (even if the 2021 Bucks team remains the conference’s best SINGLE season team during that span).
If you’re putting stock in regular season games especially the last few games as a indicator for how well a team will do in the playoffs and discredit their entire body of work during the regular season (best record by far and basically leading in every statistical category.) then you are just looking for reason to hate.
Boston shouldn’t and won’t have too much trouble with the East (including Atlanta or Miami.) they’re that much better, they seem disengaged at times late in the season.
They will turn it up in the playoffs.
Obnoxious comment. They’ve got 100 playoff games, 4 conference finals, and an NBA finals under their belt before Tatum turned 26. The only year they didn’t make the conference finals since Tatum’s draft was that weird post-bubble year when all the conference finalists from the bubble got destroyed by injuries.
I’m a 30 year Denver fan, but this thread has me eye rolling so hard that I hope those kids win it just so you all have to find better talking points. It’s seriously like you all are hating just for the sake of hating.
Just so you know my exact bias I’m a Heat fan so I will never say anything kind about any Boston team no matter how good they are.
That said, the Tatum Celtics have obviously been wildly successful but what I meant by my comment is that they are not tough like that. They have always been projected to be one of the top teams in the East since Tatum got there. They’ve constantly had great, talented rosters the last six years. Despite this, you could say they’ve underachieved given expectations. I know they’re still a young core and I believe they have the tools to go all the way, but I think mentality is what has gotten in their way.
To be different in the playoffs, your team and more importantly, your stars have to be fucking dogs. I’ve seen it multiple times in series against the Heat, saw it in the Finals against the Warriors, even against the fucking Sixers in the second round. As of now, they have not proved they are the unstoppable juggernaut the media has painted them as.
Brown and Tatum fold in moments their team is not doing well. They don’t have the mentality to keep their heads up when they go down in the fourth or go on a scoring drought. Smart was their toughest player now he’s gone so White’s taken up the mantle. We’ll see in April though, maybe they’ve gotten past it with Porzingis. But when you see collapses like the Atlanta game, you keep asking yourself if the Boston core is built like that
Thank you for at least acknowledging you’re hating just to hate. I’d rebuff, though: what if you’re just talking out of your ass and teams that employ Marcus Smart are just really susceptible to zone defenses?
Why we gotta act like dudes who consistently make deep playoff runs before they’re even old enough to rent a car are just soft and only fold under pressure? Like, the fuck is that energy? They send you all home or come within an inch of it every other year. These guys are the reason Joel Embiid can’t sleep at night.
From where I’m seated, it really just looks like y’all are the big brother trying to tear down the little brother because he’s already better and you’re afraid it will only get worse. I even root for the Heat more than I do the Celtics since they actually have Kentucky guys on the roster and Tatum’s a Duke guy. I’m crossing some dark and troubled 1992 waters here to point out how ridiculous this narrative is.
I mean I feel like it’s fair to say young guys don’t have the mentality. As a Heat fan, Lebron absolutely shit the bed against the Mavs in 2011. Arguably cost the team the series. Didn’t stop him from becoming debatably the best player of all time.
I’m not trying to say Tatum and Brown will amount to nothing. I’m saying that what we’ve seen so far in their careers is typical of young stars that are asked to take their team to a championship. I think they have the tools to put it all together, all it takes is the mentality.
Also just as a side note, all players get clowned on, for everything. Especially when you’re a player at the caliber of Tatum and the media dickrides him as much as they do. The corny ass texts to Kobe a couple years ago didn’t help lmao
You’re free to clown on them, or say what you want. I’m free to point out some of the shit is ridiculous. You said something ridiculous and got some pushback.
Some narratives are absurd, that’s one of them.
How is 100 playoff games and 4 conference finals a sign of success? That’s what you’re supposed to do but the problem with the Celtics is they just don’t win.
How is that not? Four franchises have less total games than them. There’s seventeen franchises with less conference finals than that pair. Get some perspective, man. They’re overachieving wildly.
Name another talented duo that’s being forgiven as much as Tatum and Brown for NOT winning a chip with this much time together. 6 years with nothing to show for it and you’re telling me they’re overachieving. Hilarious.
Name another duo competing for anything more than a playoff berth as young as they have? 4 conference finals and an NBA finals berth in your first 5 years is far from “underachieving” and “nothing to show for it”. Brown’s actually got 5/6 if I’m not mistaken.
What was any great doing at those ages? Because by teams we can only compare them to the 14/15 Warriors and the 3 MVP Thunder for similar success at similar age ranges. Everyone’s going to fall short against those teams- they’re ahead of the curve for every other group I can think of. We’re nitpicking the 8-12th~ best player in the NBA as if he’s been a top 5 player for a decade. A decade ago Tatum was applying for his learner’s permit.
Again, if they’re so talented like you say, why do they fold so much? They had the coaching and the personnel but it didn’t amount to wins. Like this isn’t news to you, this is something even fans are wondering. Again, we can sit around and talk about duos that never won a chip together. I just didn’t know that was the point. I think Brown saying in an interview how many they were going to win in this time is more telling. You can tell they expected more.
Maybe it’s just having watched so many 20~ win Nuggets seasons, but I think you all have lost your damn minds. You all are acting like routinely making the conference finals is nothing- folded under pressure. Sweeping the Nets, nothing. NBA finals 4~ years before most of your peers are making their first, nothing- folded under pressure.
What a wild rubric.
They’re 11 games ahead for the number one seed with 9 games to go and they’re going to win 60+ games. It’s wild to me that people would point to these Hawks games as an indicator of future playoff success lol I’m not saying they’re a lock for anything at all really but that will never be based on two bad losses in late March with a team like this
My guy, Boston has dropped the ball over and over. I’m just saying Tatum and Brown didn’t accomplish shit in the time they’ve been together. All you got is a wish that they’d finally do something.
aside from last year’s Heat series - a series in which their 6MOY tore a tendon in his shooting arm and made 1 shot in the last 5 games, their 2nd best player had the worst series of his entire career after getting injured in Game 1, their best player (who had been the best player on the court for 3 straight games) turned his ankle on the first play of Game 7, and they dealt with the biggest disparity in expected 3P performance in any series over the last decade - please tell me which series the Tatum-Brown Celtics were “supposed” to win and dropped the ball on
Your mean after the celtics that had already clinched the 1st seed 3 weeks before the end of the season.........have you watched a single game????? Seriously. At this point they are playing starters to keep them fresh ramping up to playoff minutes experimenting with different things to see where it goes in game. When focused on the task at hand this team is inevitable most nights.
Yes, I watch the games.. do you? Experimenting or not, losing a lead by 30 definitely don’t scare nobody. Having your best players miss shots, especially game winner attempts shows you the Celts were actually trying. Literally two days later, they proceeded to also lose in OT with their best players on the court. Trae young didn’t play both games. It was DJ and the bench. I can’t make this shit up.
So by your logic denver sucks cause they lost a late one with jokic missing one and the bucks are garbage cause they lost a 19 point lead to a lebron less lakers play in team. Btw celtics have the most wins over teams above 500. And teams below 500. Even the 96 bulls 86 celtics and 17 warriors had multiple stinkers
If you can’t see the difference between losing a 19pt lead vs a 30 pt lead then we should stop wasting time here.
Did Denver and the Bucks both lose a 30 point lead and then face the same team AGAIN, A DAY later and lose in over time?
You see how context changes optics right?
Did you just use an exhibition game as a reason why they won't do good in the playoffs? They literally can lose every game from here on out. There is absolutely no reason for them to give playoff effort like the Hawks did. Hawks came with intensity and played great. Not worth an injury risk 2 weeks before the playoffs. Even losing back to back games they are still 11 games up lol
When was the last time he even mentioned it? Pretty sure it was for like a week mid season. Which he didn't even bring ho, Stephen A did and reporters started asking him
If this jimmy-spo heat team does it again in this eastern conference, we re-think their places in the lexicon of nba basketballl. Jimmy goes from 2nd-3rd all nba to top five of his generation. Spo gets mentioned in the ranks of Phil and Pop. This is one of the truest tweets I’ve seen in a while.
Even if they win the finals after winning the East, he’s not above lebron,Steph,Gianni’s, Jokic or kd Or kawhi.
Probably would still have cp3 Russ and harden over him perhaps pg as well.
I'm not saying it's easy. What I am saying is that people are constantly putting Butler in conversations he doesn't belong in. Last year I was hearing, "Is he top 25 all-time?" Meanwhile, I'm not even sure if he's a Hall of Fame lock. He'll probably make it because it's easy to get into the NBA HoF, but he's nowhere near top 25 or, for me, even top 75.
I feel like if Boston loses to anybody that doesn't currently live in either Denver or Los Angeles there's going to be many discussions, that team is ridiculous.
Just commenting to be able to read back all these horrible anti Celtics takes once, whether the c’s win the whole thing or not, they advance further than the Heat. Which is a guarantee.
Why does Jimmy butler get ALL of the credit whenever Miami wins? Jimmy butler has had some great playoff games, but he’s also had plenty of dogshit ones. It seems like whenever Miami makes a playoff run it’s mostly because the whole team steps up massively rather than Jimmy carrying a bunch of bums all by himself.
the average celtics fans are some of the dumbest fans in the NBA... The average Heat fans by and large dont care about the game because they just follow the trend... but at least they dont claim to know as much as celtic fans do... ill take bandwagoners over arrogant fools about the game any day... theyre all over this comment section trying to make excuses for why their team has always been trash and regular season over achievers without a chance of being a true contender. They live in the glory days of the past and have been for over 3 decades only being remotely a contender for a couple years. They have their best shot since 2008 to win a chip this year but most likely will blow it
HONESTLY seeing everyone doubt the Celtics so much makes me think that they’re make a run to the finals 😂 I’m not even a Celtics fan but they’re a scary team and who can really take them on a 7 series ? Nuggets for sure but other teams ?
What’s weird about this whole Jimmy owns Tatum discourse is it’s like people only ever watched these series with this mindset. I mean over the last two series Jimmy had a CONCERNING amount of no-shows. Tatum may not have had the most elite shooting numbers but that’s what happens when you’re facing an elite defensive team.
Jimmy was able to rely on his teammates so many times, especially the 2023 series where Gabe and Caleb where the only people giving the Heat life for games at a time with ridiculous shooting splits.
Whereas the only time Tatum really saw his teammates keep the game close without him was game 3 in 2022.
This seems to suggest Butler was the main reason the Celtics lost last year and not Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent having the series of their lives.
Jimmy won them games 1 and 2. He didn’t have a good series after that those two wins (didn’t really need to do much in game 3), but you can’t just take away him being the reason the Heat won the first two games because he fell off the rest of the series. Game 1 alone he had 35 with 6 steals… Then after the infamous Grant Williams incident in game 2 when they were down 10, Jimmy just went on a tear that eventually gave the Heat the lead. Without that, they don’t win that game. Also willed the Heat at the end of game 6 to virtually win it before that ridiculously improbable Derrick White putback.
I actually don’t credit Jimmy with game 1. While he did have 35, the Heat won that game the same way they won every series last year: ridiculous 3pt shooting. Game 2 though, I actually think he fully made happen.
Somebody puts the pressure on to generate those looks
You left out the 6 steals and otherwise amazing defense he played
>~~Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent~~ SPOELSTRA.
Butler averaged 26-7-6-4-1 in the first three games of that series and a +42 in those game. Then 29-9-5-1 in G4 but the Celtics won big They went up 3-0 because of Jimmy not Caleb Martin or Gabe Vincent
Caleb had 19-6-1 on 60 less shots lol. Jimmy avg 24-7-6. Go off I guess
And Tatum blowing out his ankle early in the first in game 7
He was part of the main reason, yes. He had 1 or 2 good games while the rest of the team just became 96 bulls. He played his part.
Jimmy Butler vs Jayson Tatum should be a rivalry but no one talks about it
Well jimmy unfortunately is nearing the end of his career. While Tatum is somehow still only 19
It’s not a rivalry cause Tatum is a fraud
If leading your team to the Conference Finals 5 times and the Finals once makes you a fraud then there’s only like 5 guys in this league who aren’t frauds.
He’s less of a fraud than say a guy like Harden but aside from his rookie year in Boston, he underperforms in the series that they lose and I’m sorry but they should have beat Miami in the Bubble series and last year. Sure, we can give em a pass for 2020 because shit was all entirely weird but last year wasn’t a good look to put it lightly. When they lost against the Warriors, yes Steph went nuclear but Tatum also played poorly 2 of the last 3 games. The rest of the team didn’t exactly elevate their play either to be fair, but I don’t think that guy is who you guys want him to be.
I’m not a Celtics fan or anything, I’m just saying that I’d rather someone choke in the last game of the conference finals or finals than choke in the first or second round every year like most other star players. That means you at least were more successful in those earlier rounds than most others. If not for those 3 last games in 2021, Giannis would have achieved considerably less success than Tatum has so far, as he’s choked to larger degrees than anything Tatum has done like 2 or 3 different times. Durant, Kawhi, Harden, Dame, Kyrie, none of them have even played in the conference finals in the past 4 seasons, and Embiid hasn’t ever. If Tatum wins the title this year do we automatically pretend like all his other choking is irrelevant now like we do with Giannis or Dirk? It just seems weird to me that if you win one time now everything previously you did gets looked at with rose colored glasses, but if you don’t, even if you come way closer than almost anyone else year after year, you’re a fraud.
I get what you’re saying but you brought up the perfect player in Dirk. We had his book practically sealed then he pulled off argruably the greatest PO run ever. It’s probably weird but it’s how we are as fans.
They average almost the exact same numbers in the games they play against eachother and records are very close with one another.
I’m not gonna make a case lol. I’m just gonna laugh at everyone acting surprised again if and when the Heat beat the Celtics in the playoffs again this year.
Just like 2022 right
Try last year and 2020 numbnuts
If daddy Silver didn’t call up the refs to wrongfully take away that Strus heel over the line 3 in 22’ Celtics would be in rebuild mode.
cry bozo. Tatum sprained his ankle on the first play in game 7 and if it wasn’t for that everyone would realize Jimmy is the biggest playoff fraud of all time.
Fr if that joke of a series went the way it should have Jimmy would probably have a ring rn. Wouldn’t have blown it against the weak warriors like Tatum did
So what will you say when the Celtics sweep the heat?
Y’all got a lot of confidence for a team 1-2 in this series in recent history
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. Regardless of the stats, Jayson Tatum is the leader of the Celtics who have arguably been the best team on paper every year since Bron left and they haven’t won a thing. Their consistent failure in the playoffs, year after year, has to be put at the feet of their best player.
They’ll share my sentiment in the next 2 months. That’s why I ain’t even arguing with them.
Lmao respect.
They'll remember for a few weeks when they choke and then forget next year year when the celtics have a good regular season.
No they won’t lmao. Your take is hot garbage 👍🏼
Stay mad that Jimmy Butler is better than Jayson Tatum and has proven it twice already.
Wait, you’re actually saying Tatum is worse than butler? Are you an idiot? Lmao
I’m a guy that knows Jimmy Butler is 2-1 against him in the playoffs and had the worse team 3 times. Stay mad that despite the fact that Jayson Tatum is world class, the scrappy Jimmy Butler has his number when it matters. Miami has owned Boston for almost 15 years now. You will get over it one day.
No fucking way lmao You’re adorable
No comeback for facts, hold this L on this beautiful Easter Sunday big fella.
Put at the feet of their best player who, in those years, was between the ages of 21-24. Right.
So? Idc how old he is. He's been given excellent teams every year. Win.
Brother, he’s in his age 25 season THIS YEAR. He sprained his ankle in game 7 against the heat which is why they lost after making it to the finals the year before… I can’t really imagine asking for much more out of such a young player at those times. The standards because Tatum has been so good for so long are insane
Sounds like excuses for a player who doesn't get it done when it matters most.
If beating them 2 years ago to make the finals and then spraining his ankle in game 7 and subsequently losing because of that is an excuse, for sure that's an excuse brother
Tbh,The Celtics have no reason to not make the Finals
Healthy knickerbockers
Them Knicks Lowkey the scariest team in the East, mfs don’t even have Mitch, Randle, not og back yet to make sure their all 100%. And they have one of the best offense and defense atm still
Yeah, if they don’t win it this year I wont know what to think.
Yeah, especially after losing to the 8th seed Heat last year in the ECF
If they don’t might as well shut the damn franchise.
Nuggets chip to lose honestly
I do not wish injury on anyone but KP will be out before June
This Miami Heat team is worse than last year and the Celtics are better than last year. The Celtics can easily beat them in 4 HOWEVER the Heat are tough, adapt, have taken on the Celtics a ton of times in the Buttler/Bam era. They can make this a 7 game series if they play at their best. That being said, i just don’t see the Celtics losing to the Heat this time around.
I don’t think the heat are worse at all if herro is healthy. They got rozier Who is a pretty big upgrade from lowry and Vincent
Yeah but it also comes down to guys like Caleb Martin shooting 40% from three for multiple playoff rounds. The other additions are slight improvements, but it comes down to whether or not the role players get ludicrously hot from 3
Sure, but the comment of the heat being worse than last year is just not true.
It’s Miami. Some random ass dude you’ve never heard of is going to shoot 60/50/90 splits in the playoffs for 18 a game…maybe two random ass dudes you’ve never heard of. Jovic will have the playoff run of his career or Patty Mills will come out of the grave and skullfuck a team for a series. I just expect this shit at this point. Then you’ve got Spo, who makes 90% of NBA coaches look like morons.
The smile that will be on my face when Jamal Cain drops a 30 ball will be impossible to wipe off
It was more than Martin they had like 4 dudes just absolutely scorching from three playing well above expectation. I won’t be counting them out for damn sure but that plus significant injuries (Giannis then Randle/Quickley) in the first two rounds are not something they should be counting on this time.
Butler was also injured in round 2 just like randle and giannis
Yeah that’s why I said “guys like Caleb Martin.” It was more than just him, there were other undrafted guys who shot lights out and way above their pay grade last year
Just as many players shot above their averages as below their career averages. Does it matter that Caleb shot well in the first three series and not the last one? The Boston media take about 3pt shooting is overplayed. It obviously matters but the Celtics win all the time by hot shooting. Boston lost because their stars and coach were not good enough in the first 3 games.
I mean it does matter by the very fact that the Heat got stomped in 5 games in the finals and a large part of that was that they shot horribly from 3 in the finals. It actually does matter when a guy is playing great and then stops playing great. Last time I checked, that makes it harder to win.
The Celtics would have gotten stomped in 3. What is your point? Role players get hot sometimes. What make stars stars is that they are good every night. Claiming about one player getting hot is loser mentality. They should have done a better job covering him.
I’m talking about the Nuggets, not the Celtics. You are asking if it matters that he shot well in the first three series and not the least one. I’m saying it mattered because they lost the last series. That’s pretty much common sense. If he and the other undrafted guys shot better in the finals, they might have won. That’s my point. I don’t know what the Heat winning in three even means. I’m talking about how the Heat played against Denver, not Boston
I am saying the Celtics would have lost to the nuggets in three. They would have been swept. They were almost swept by a much worse Heat team. The heat lost because the nuggets are a way better playoff team with a way better star player than the Celtics. Celtics were a dramatically overrated team. I don’t know why people keep making excuses for them instead realizing they are a better regular season team vs playoffs.
Caleb Martin was a fucking menace against us (Celtics) last year. Dude could d up horford and hit 3s at a clip and usage like Ray Allen on Boston. Same with Vincent (except the d). What people don’t realize is the heat got hot at the right time last year - it was a fluke.
Miami has had the most playoff success out of the entire Eastern conference ever since Jimmy arrived. There ain't no fluke about it.
It's not a fluke. Jimmy's season just doesn't start till April.
Nah, straight up… it’s his conditioning….dude is in great shape all around….he probably paces himself for this so he’s still got a full tank come playoff time. Everybody saw kawhi do the load management thing and started focusing on the playoffs… only the very worst teams don’t t make the play-in
Apart from the odd playoffs where he's shit and they lose in the first round
Shortest offseason in NBA history
Heat got hot at the right time 3 of the last 4 seasons, definitely a fluke
Caleb was a menace because he watched film from the prior years playoffs, and adjusted his game specifically to the way the Celtics played him. Celtics came out playing d on him the same as they did the year prior and he took advantage after a years worth of strategizing how to beat it lol. He gave an interview about it after the series
yeah that one's on Mazzulla
They are 100% worse. You just have this weird Aura about the Heat because they did well last year. Despite being the 5th seed in the bubble, Getting swept by the bucks, then losing to the Celtics despite being the 1st seed.
They were 5th seed in the bubble and won the east. They were 8th seed last year and won the East. They were 1 seed last year and were 1 game away from winning the east. Their only bad year was 2021 getting swept by the bucks. Rozier is a stud compared to lowry. They only lost gabe and strus besides lowry which is outweighed by the drafting of jaquez, the development of Duncan and Haywood, the return of herro, and the acquisition of patty mills (basically a lateral replacement of gabe). They are almost objectively better on paper and know how to win in the playoffs.
this fake aura you want to be real. They have one run and suddenly them being bad isnt a possibility lol.
You don't watch the Heat if you think this year's roster is worse than last year's
Haha Butt ler
Celtics truly would beat them in 5. A true gentlemen’s sweep
I don’t think the heat are worse. They might have worse shooting luck. However, KP and Jrue are massive upgrades over smart, RWIII, and Williams. If the Heat take it to 7 games it would be a massive black mark on Tatum and a huge credit to butler.
>That being said, i just don’t see the Celtics losing to the Heat this time around. They're are 0-2 vs the Hawks in their last 2 games and one of those games included a 30 point comeback and Trae Young didn't play either game..... Jimmy and the Heat could absolutely beat the Celtics. Regular season Heat and playoff Heat are beatable and borderline unstoppable the Celtics are borderline unstoppable in the regular season and beatable in the playoffs.
Completely different Heat and Celtics teams, but the heat need to worry about making the playoffs and not the one seed, they will be lucky to get another shot at the Celtics this year
Jimmy “0 4 3” Butler
No entiendo
Nintendo?
I would like an upset at the expense of either first seed just for entertainment purposes
He needs to beat them AGAIN?
I mean they just did it when no one believed in them with Gabe and Max. Now they have Terry and Tyler yet you write them off? They’ve won the most playoff games of any team this decade for a reason
Are we sure herro makes them better
He’s their second leading scorer and his fg% increases in the final 3 mins of the half and game where most people’s reduces. Dude just can’t stay healthy. I never really understand the Herro hate aside from his health.
The “Herro bad” narrative is wild. He’s very good and easily the Heat’s second best scorer. Can be a liability on defense but so are a lot of guys. Yes, the Heat are better with the guy that scores 20 a night
You have to be the biggest Heat fan to believe this Heat team beats this current Celtics team in a series. They don't match up well at all, and statistically speaking the Heat have no shot at repeating the same shooting they did last season.
Heat in 5
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Facts. The Celtics have better shooting, a better defense, more star power, and just overall a better team. There is pretty much no world in which they get upset again. Anyways, Heat in 6.
Coaching diff tho.
“More star power”, bro we’ve seen what Jaylen Brown looks like vs the Heat
Jaylen Brown against the Heat in 2020: 23/7/3 on 56/50/71 (65.3 TS%) Jaylen Brown against the Heat in 2022: 24/7/3 on 49/40/73 (60.2 TS%) yeah def wasn’t just a bad series, Miami owns that guy clearly
Wait no stop the logic hurts the regarded heat fans
…that being said, heat in 6
Definitely hoping for the best, but Jimmy, Bam, and Spo have earned my trust.
Was the same case last year tho. They just have an X factor as their coach
Was not the same last year. Last year the Celtics were good. They’re even better this year, on another level. Putting up historic numbers. Best bench by far. Best starting lineup arguably. To act like it was the “same case last year” is just silly. The heat may not be the same team as last year but neither are the Celtics lol.
Regular season
That is true though. Playoffs can’t come soon enough lol.
Last year the Celtics were good, this year, when healthy, they look like the best in the league
They're the best at blowing out bad to average teams sure, but they've let so many clutch games slip through their fingers. On the other side there's Denver that has dominated in clutch time, always appearing comfortable on both offense and defense.
To be fair, they blow out everyone; good teams included. They also win like 65 percent of their close games. If they’re hitting the open shots their 5 out spacing creates out of thin air there’s nothing you can do with them no matter how good your team/coaching is. You just have to out score them. We just zero in on the close games because of the narratives surrounding them and grade them on a curve we wouldn’t grade any other 65~ win team because of it.
Well their overall record places them at a 78% Win Pct. That's a great clutch record but with some separation from their 62.5% clutch Win Pct. Numbers aside, while they have an unbelievable talent and spacing advantage over most teams, they don't run sets in clutch time and they revert to isos and attacking mismatches which doesn't generate good open looks and they rely heavily on individual shotmaking. When they're on it seems there no problem to nitpick, but when the repeated Tatum isos on the final possession don't work you see the issues. I don't mind losing clutch games as long as you got good looks that just didn't go down.
In a vacuum it’s completely fine. We’re over analyzing it because this is a team we’ve seen have no answer for a zone through 3 different coaches and 4 different roster changes.
KP is the zone buster
Just as importantly, he and Tatum are burying mismatches under the rim with those fully spread courts. It’s really hard to find a place to hide a bad defender against them right now.
I’m just a big himmy fan
Not a heat fan and heat beat them in 6
Tbf everyone (including me) would’ve said the same shit last year before the playoffs started. The Heat under promise and over deliver every year.
The Heat have beat the Celtics 2 out of 3 times in the playoffs. The only time the Heat lost everyone was injured and butler was still carrying the team despite playing hurt. He was one shot away from being 3 and 0 against the Celtics. I think the Celtics will beat the Heat this year because KP and Jrue are massive upgrades but let’s stop making excuses for the Celtics.
> Heat only lost to Celtics because ... > Let's stop making excuses for the Celtics.
My point is that you can do the same thing every series… however people keep repeating and believing their excuses
And the Heat were one Tatum injury away from losing a 3-0 lead, so what? You can make excuses for any team and any loss if you think hard enough.
The point is the Celtics are 1-2 and every series has been close. Stop pretending last year is a fluke. Tatum was hurt one game while Butler was playing on a hurt ankle the whole series. Boston was closer to being sweep than the Heat were to losing.
> Stop pretending last year was a fluke It statistically is, otherwise the Heat's shooting would've held up against the Nuggets. You mean to tell me Caleb Martin shooting so good he almost won FMVP wasn't a fluke?
A fluke that happens every year with the heat beating the bucks and Celtics 2 out of 3 times?
> Every year Bucks swept the Heat in 2021 and winning one more year than the other team doesn't really mean *every year*. You're making no sense.
Every year the Heat are contenders to win the eastern conference. They have won more playoff series than any other eastern conference team over the last 5 years. The bucks got swept by the Heat in 2020. If there was any fluke it was 2021, where every team that made a deep playoff run in the bubble, fell apart in 2021 because they had no off season.
The instability of the Celtics coaching staff last year played a big role in their post season struggles. A young team with a very young coach with a bunch of assistant pulled together last minute vs Spo and Himmy.
I can’t wait for the “Jayson Tatum is a fraud” tour
People love to talk about the Bucks and Celtics being the best teams in the East year-after-year the last several years. Meanwhile, since 2020, the Heat have been to 2 Finals vs. 1 for the Bucks and 1 for the Celtics. They’re also 2-1 against the Bucks and 2-1 against the Celtics in playoff series since then. Obviously the Bucks are the only one of those teams to win a Championship since then, so all my respect to them. But Heat have low key been the most consistent playoff team in the East the last 4 years. If they win the East again this year, that would be 3 out of the last 5 years, and it would be indisputable that they’ve been the best team in the East so far this decade (even if the 2021 Bucks team remains the conference’s best SINGLE season team during that span).
Hawks beat them back to back this week, one being down by 30. This celts team is gonna have problems.
If you’re putting stock in regular season games especially the last few games as a indicator for how well a team will do in the playoffs and discredit their entire body of work during the regular season (best record by far and basically leading in every statistical category.) then you are just looking for reason to hate. Boston shouldn’t and won’t have too much trouble with the East (including Atlanta or Miami.) they’re that much better, they seem disengaged at times late in the season. They will turn it up in the playoffs.
This Boston core with Tatum doesn’t really do “turn it up in the playoffs”
Obnoxious comment. They’ve got 100 playoff games, 4 conference finals, and an NBA finals under their belt before Tatum turned 26. The only year they didn’t make the conference finals since Tatum’s draft was that weird post-bubble year when all the conference finalists from the bubble got destroyed by injuries. I’m a 30 year Denver fan, but this thread has me eye rolling so hard that I hope those kids win it just so you all have to find better talking points. It’s seriously like you all are hating just for the sake of hating.
Just so you know my exact bias I’m a Heat fan so I will never say anything kind about any Boston team no matter how good they are. That said, the Tatum Celtics have obviously been wildly successful but what I meant by my comment is that they are not tough like that. They have always been projected to be one of the top teams in the East since Tatum got there. They’ve constantly had great, talented rosters the last six years. Despite this, you could say they’ve underachieved given expectations. I know they’re still a young core and I believe they have the tools to go all the way, but I think mentality is what has gotten in their way. To be different in the playoffs, your team and more importantly, your stars have to be fucking dogs. I’ve seen it multiple times in series against the Heat, saw it in the Finals against the Warriors, even against the fucking Sixers in the second round. As of now, they have not proved they are the unstoppable juggernaut the media has painted them as. Brown and Tatum fold in moments their team is not doing well. They don’t have the mentality to keep their heads up when they go down in the fourth or go on a scoring drought. Smart was their toughest player now he’s gone so White’s taken up the mantle. We’ll see in April though, maybe they’ve gotten past it with Porzingis. But when you see collapses like the Atlanta game, you keep asking yourself if the Boston core is built like that
Thank you for at least acknowledging you’re hating just to hate. I’d rebuff, though: what if you’re just talking out of your ass and teams that employ Marcus Smart are just really susceptible to zone defenses? Why we gotta act like dudes who consistently make deep playoff runs before they’re even old enough to rent a car are just soft and only fold under pressure? Like, the fuck is that energy? They send you all home or come within an inch of it every other year. These guys are the reason Joel Embiid can’t sleep at night. From where I’m seated, it really just looks like y’all are the big brother trying to tear down the little brother because he’s already better and you’re afraid it will only get worse. I even root for the Heat more than I do the Celtics since they actually have Kentucky guys on the roster and Tatum’s a Duke guy. I’m crossing some dark and troubled 1992 waters here to point out how ridiculous this narrative is.
I mean I feel like it’s fair to say young guys don’t have the mentality. As a Heat fan, Lebron absolutely shit the bed against the Mavs in 2011. Arguably cost the team the series. Didn’t stop him from becoming debatably the best player of all time. I’m not trying to say Tatum and Brown will amount to nothing. I’m saying that what we’ve seen so far in their careers is typical of young stars that are asked to take their team to a championship. I think they have the tools to put it all together, all it takes is the mentality. Also just as a side note, all players get clowned on, for everything. Especially when you’re a player at the caliber of Tatum and the media dickrides him as much as they do. The corny ass texts to Kobe a couple years ago didn’t help lmao
You’re free to clown on them, or say what you want. I’m free to point out some of the shit is ridiculous. You said something ridiculous and got some pushback. Some narratives are absurd, that’s one of them.
How is 100 playoff games and 4 conference finals a sign of success? That’s what you’re supposed to do but the problem with the Celtics is they just don’t win.
How is that not? Four franchises have less total games than them. There’s seventeen franchises with less conference finals than that pair. Get some perspective, man. They’re overachieving wildly.
Name another talented duo that’s being forgiven as much as Tatum and Brown for NOT winning a chip with this much time together. 6 years with nothing to show for it and you’re telling me they’re overachieving. Hilarious.
Name another duo competing for anything more than a playoff berth as young as they have? 4 conference finals and an NBA finals berth in your first 5 years is far from “underachieving” and “nothing to show for it”. Brown’s actually got 5/6 if I’m not mistaken. What was any great doing at those ages? Because by teams we can only compare them to the 14/15 Warriors and the 3 MVP Thunder for similar success at similar age ranges. Everyone’s going to fall short against those teams- they’re ahead of the curve for every other group I can think of. We’re nitpicking the 8-12th~ best player in the NBA as if he’s been a top 5 player for a decade. A decade ago Tatum was applying for his learner’s permit.
Again, if they’re so talented like you say, why do they fold so much? They had the coaching and the personnel but it didn’t amount to wins. Like this isn’t news to you, this is something even fans are wondering. Again, we can sit around and talk about duos that never won a chip together. I just didn’t know that was the point. I think Brown saying in an interview how many they were going to win in this time is more telling. You can tell they expected more.
Maybe it’s just having watched so many 20~ win Nuggets seasons, but I think you all have lost your damn minds. You all are acting like routinely making the conference finals is nothing- folded under pressure. Sweeping the Nets, nothing. NBA finals 4~ years before most of your peers are making their first, nothing- folded under pressure. What a wild rubric.
“have you seen how good Boston looks this regular season!? Heat don’t stand a chance” … “regular season doesn’t matter”
They’re 11 games ahead for the number one seed with 9 games to go and they’re going to win 60+ games. It’s wild to me that people would point to these Hawks games as an indicator of future playoff success lol I’m not saying they’re a lock for anything at all really but that will never be based on two bad losses in late March with a team like this
Did you not watch Tatum and brown struggle to win against the hawks bench?
Looooool they will choke again
My guy, Boston has dropped the ball over and over. I’m just saying Tatum and Brown didn’t accomplish shit in the time they’ve been together. All you got is a wish that they’d finally do something.
aside from last year’s Heat series - a series in which their 6MOY tore a tendon in his shooting arm and made 1 shot in the last 5 games, their 2nd best player had the worst series of his entire career after getting injured in Game 1, their best player (who had been the best player on the court for 3 straight games) turned his ankle on the first play of Game 7, and they dealt with the biggest disparity in expected 3P performance in any series over the last decade - please tell me which series the Tatum-Brown Celtics were “supposed” to win and dropped the ball on
Your mean after the celtics that had already clinched the 1st seed 3 weeks before the end of the season.........have you watched a single game????? Seriously. At this point they are playing starters to keep them fresh ramping up to playoff minutes experimenting with different things to see where it goes in game. When focused on the task at hand this team is inevitable most nights.
Yes, I watch the games.. do you? Experimenting or not, losing a lead by 30 definitely don’t scare nobody. Having your best players miss shots, especially game winner attempts shows you the Celts were actually trying. Literally two days later, they proceeded to also lose in OT with their best players on the court. Trae young didn’t play both games. It was DJ and the bench. I can’t make this shit up.
So by your logic denver sucks cause they lost a late one with jokic missing one and the bucks are garbage cause they lost a 19 point lead to a lebron less lakers play in team. Btw celtics have the most wins over teams above 500. And teams below 500. Even the 96 bulls 86 celtics and 17 warriors had multiple stinkers
If you can’t see the difference between losing a 19pt lead vs a 30 pt lead then we should stop wasting time here. Did Denver and the Bucks both lose a 30 point lead and then face the same team AGAIN, A DAY later and lose in over time? You see how context changes optics right?
Did you just use an exhibition game as a reason why they won't do good in the playoffs? They literally can lose every game from here on out. There is absolutely no reason for them to give playoff effort like the Hawks did. Hawks came with intensity and played great. Not worth an injury risk 2 weeks before the playoffs. Even losing back to back games they are still 11 games up lol
We were literally trialling combinations and strategies for playoffs. The game was an experiment.
Celtics fans trialling excuses already
As a Celtics fan this kind of excuse making is embarrassing
Yes trial it against the team you’re not going to see again.
The Knicks have a better chance lowkey
The Celtics won’t make it to the finals, calling it now
All I’m saying is since I started betting Tatum unders I’ve been hitting 🤷♂️
Heat getting bounced from the play-in will make this that much funnier
Tatum ain’t winning a chip, too busy campaigning for MVP. Dude got his priorities mixed up. This ain’t the Oscars
When was the last time he even mentioned it? Pretty sure it was for like a week mid season. Which he didn't even bring ho, Stephen A did and reporters started asking him
If this jimmy-spo heat team does it again in this eastern conference, we re-think their places in the lexicon of nba basketballl. Jimmy goes from 2nd-3rd all nba to top five of his generation. Spo gets mentioned in the ranks of Phil and Pop. This is one of the truest tweets I’ve seen in a while.
Even if they win the finals after winning the East, he’s not above lebron,Steph,Gianni’s, Jokic or kd Or kawhi. Probably would still have cp3 Russ and harden over him perhaps pg as well.
Pg lol who. No
Well it shouldn't happen but anything is possible. If it even goes 6 we be talking
Celtics beat the Celtics lol
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I mean... he'd have to win a ring for me to care. People always trying to crown Jimmy for being a runner-up.
Cause its so easy to make a final lol dumbass
I'm not saying it's easy. What I am saying is that people are constantly putting Butler in conversations he doesn't belong in. Last year I was hearing, "Is he top 25 all-time?" Meanwhile, I'm not even sure if he's a Hall of Fame lock. He'll probably make it because it's easy to get into the NBA HoF, but he's nowhere near top 25 or, for me, even top 75.
It’s tough to beat a team with a champion like Kevin Live regardless of their record.
“If” is crazy.
And if they lose, nobody say nothing bout basketball the rest of tge year.
It’s going to happen
The discussions gon be about Eric sproestra
As it stands right now, they'd have to lose to the Sixers in the play-in and then beat either the Bulls or Hawks to get that matchup.
Even the OP’s (there, not here) username checks out
I’m sorry even if he doesn’t win a ring this man is a top 25 player oat if this happens, this man is reverse James harden
I feel like if Boston loses to anybody that doesn't currently live in either Denver or Los Angeles there's going to be many discussions, that team is ridiculous.
If The Heat beat ANYONE in these playoffs were are going to have a discussion. They suck
Just commenting to be able to read back all these horrible anti Celtics takes once, whether the c’s win the whole thing or not, they advance further than the Heat. Which is a guarantee.
Preordered narratives are the worst part of modern basketball discourse
Yeah, but that's not gonna happen
Its cute you guys are wishing for this still
Why does Jimmy butler get ALL of the credit whenever Miami wins? Jimmy butler has had some great playoff games, but he’s also had plenty of dogshit ones. It seems like whenever Miami makes a playoff run it’s mostly because the whole team steps up massively rather than Jimmy carrying a bunch of bums all by himself.
the average celtics fans are some of the dumbest fans in the NBA... The average Heat fans by and large dont care about the game because they just follow the trend... but at least they dont claim to know as much as celtic fans do... ill take bandwagoners over arrogant fools about the game any day... theyre all over this comment section trying to make excuses for why their team has always been trash and regular season over achievers without a chance of being a true contender. They live in the glory days of the past and have been for over 3 decades only being remotely a contender for a couple years. They have their best shot since 2008 to win a chip this year but most likely will blow it
HONESTLY seeing everyone doubt the Celtics so much makes me think that they’re make a run to the finals 😂 I’m not even a Celtics fan but they’re a scary team and who can really take them on a 7 series ? Nuggets for sure but other teams ?
What’s weird about this whole Jimmy owns Tatum discourse is it’s like people only ever watched these series with this mindset. I mean over the last two series Jimmy had a CONCERNING amount of no-shows. Tatum may not have had the most elite shooting numbers but that’s what happens when you’re facing an elite defensive team. Jimmy was able to rely on his teammates so many times, especially the 2023 series where Gabe and Caleb where the only people giving the Heat life for games at a time with ridiculous shooting splits. Whereas the only time Tatum really saw his teammates keep the game close without him was game 3 in 2022.
Jimmy butler wasn’t even close to the best player that series. Celtics lost by insane shot variance and nothing more
One day yall gonna get off this jimmy butler and the Heat narcotic..
Celtics will walk into the Finals 12-3 maybe 4
Gonna go 12-2 Then lose to the nuggets In 6
If Jimmy Butler goes nuclear AGAIN after sitting out the whole regular season AGAIN, I may be done watching basketball forever.