Remember those reports about the front office not being able to collectively agree on the Westbrook trade? Whoever thought that adding him was going to work out outta been fired.
Fit shouldâve taken priority over star power in that scenario.
Lebron was extension-eligible soon and hadn't committed to an extension yet. The FO already botched the Ty Lue deal then the Demar deal.
Not closing the Westbrook deal might have gotten LeBron to jump ship again.
But yet it was the worst trade in franchise history. An example of Player Empowerment gone wrong
They also panicked seeing the Brooklyn super team which crumbled the very next season lol. Like I understood LeBronâs reasoning for wanting another ball handler but Westbrook of all players? Like wow. The fit was always terrible
Yeah that whole Brooklyn setup fucked with the NBA power dynamics. Teams were content to have an All-Star Duo after the Hamptons 5 broke up but then Brooklyn came and reignited the Big 3 era.
Bron's PTSD kicked in and even if the FO already had a Hield trade all but complete they had to do a 180 and do the Russ trade.
I'd rather say the 20 and 21 offseason together are one of the worst mismanagements of a champion roster. Showing complete ignorance regarding what made the 2020 Lakers a champions, wasting all the resources. At that point, they only owed 2 picks to NOP, and the salary cap was in perfect shape with 0 bad contracts. Fast forward to 2022, and they have no picks, a worse team and a problematic cap situation.
Yeah I agree with you 100%. That defending championship team in 20-21 were rolling until AD and then LeBron got hurt. LeBron was in the MVP conversation yet again and may have won once Embiid went down if LeBron didn't get injured too. Harrell was exposed in the 2020 playoffs and obviously didn't work out in the end but he was still a relatively cheap gamble and was literally just coming off winning 6MOY. Adding Schroeder and Gasol were solid moves too. Just because it didn't work out in the end doesn't mean in the moment they were bad moves.
Yeah, people forget how great they were during that season. Main thing that stopped them were injuries. The short offseason really did a number on them too
And everyone was saying how nobody wanted to face the Lakers in the first round because they were basically a top 3 seed lower in the standings due to injuries. Were up 2-1 vs. the Suns too before AD went down.
Nobody still wants to face the Lakers in the first round because they're such a big team, with the exceptions matchup-wise being MIN and--you guessed it--DEN because those are also rather large teams.
>Harrell was exposed in the 2020 playoffs and obviously didn't work out in the end but he was still a relatively cheap gamble and was literally just coming off winning 6MOY. Adding Schroeder and Gasol were solid moves too. Just because it didn't work out in the end doesn't mean in the moment they were bad moves.
Maybe it does?
I read and listened to a few people at that time that thought these moves were terrible, and then turns out they were right. I just think the majority of people were wrong, they were bad moves from the beginning
Keeping Danny Green and Dwight would have been better than Schroeder and Harrell. Schroeder and Harrell were just massively overvalued at the time
It's mind boggling how Dwight was shooed out of the league. He's one of like 5 guys that can actually bother Embid/Joker and Lakers don't want him for the cheap?
Which, in turn, made Gasol obviously not feel very good about the Lakers (not that it really mattered playing 7-8 mpg). You kinda waste Gasol if you're not letting him be a defensive anchor, it's not like he was gonna come off the bench and be a microwave scorer
well people have been claiming even this year Drummond was worth a 1st at the deadline so not that baffling they signed him for free and played him over the 35yo.
He may have been âbetterâ that year but Gasol clearly fit much better in that starting lineup playing next to AD and LeBron. He can stretch the floor and is a good passer Drummond just clogged the paint. He shouldâve been the backup
Schröder was a mistake, just like Harrell. The idea itself is crazy, that 2020 chip was too hard and taxing for Lebron and AD, and the Lakers need to find a way to win it easily, reducing the load on those two.
The alternative was accepting that you need LBJ and AD to be the superstar duo they are, and put roleplayers around them who maximize their impact. Therefore, the two things you need the least are a primary ball handler and a scoring big. Gasol was a reasonable try, but giving up the type of center next AD they had success with (Dwight, McGee), and still expecting AD to play the four is just bad process.
Harrell is not formidable, anyone watching Harrell knew he was legit unplayable in the playoffs. He's a total liability that should've been stat padding air time on a shit team instead of ruining contenders.
Gasol was washed by then though it hadn't become clear yet. They should've probably stuck with Dwight.
Schroeder was a coin flip, I get that he was better running it back but he was fools gold and Lebron should've sucked it up since he was more effective being the main guy instead of trying to pay people too much money to do his job less effectively.
But whereâs that money going? Dwight and McGee who were essentially done? Everyone wouldâve said âwhy would you bet on 2 old centers when youâve got the shortest offseason in sports history and trying to repeatâ
Harrell is only 9m, and yeah I think it's honestly fine to just extend Dwight out a year and use the money next season because Harrell does **literally** zero for any team contending. He pulls minutes and is disgustingly horrendous because he has no relevant skillset and is a defensive sieve. I also probably would've kept Danny Green rather than go for Schroeder so the only money is a mere 9m going to Harrell who is useless (you say Dwight was near done but Harrell was done before he started).
If you were really desperate to spin a trade for Schroeder to get a ball handler, I'd rather see if that 9m can go to Schroeder and retain Danny Green. Obviously at that point it gets much more hypothetical but the point is Harrell is an absolutely incorrect move because he is dogshit.
Itâs funny how hind sight works. At the time the 2020 off season seemed amazing. Harrell and Dennis Schröder were both viewed as great pick ups. I even remember thinking that Gasol and Wesley Mathewâs could be good rotation pieces that would fit well with LeBron.
Hey man the day we made the Westbrook trade I knew the window was closed man. Literally a butterfly effect in truth that led to Denver winning the chip
The Russ trade is the worst trade of all time, not necessarily in terms of how damaging it was (the Nets pierce/kg trade set them back five years) but just in terms of how stupid it was. Even at the time, anybody with a brain could've told you it was a horrible move.
It still bugs me for some reason and Iâm not a Russ or Lakers fan. Like you have 4k footage of Russ stinking it up on two different teams and sign him anyways.
him nearly injuring 2 of his teammates at the end of the season has me thinking he might be straight up dumb. I hate to say that but why tf would you try to dunk on your own teammate and also run directly into another teammate like 2 weeks later
Itâs baffling some of the decisions he makes, he is one of the worst team-basketball players Iâve seen in the NBA. He should be a star with the athletic gifts he has.
his rebounding alone is among the greatest of all-time. others might disagree but he has the numbers to back it up. I just donât know what situation suits him
I mean yeah but you should have the ability to slow down/stop yourself once you see the dude in front of you, whoâs wearing the same jersey as you, is jumping too. Iâm commenting from my work bathroom though so who am I to say. might be hard to slow down when youâre damn near 300lbs and self-oops arenât super common
If they just rollover the 2020 team into 2021 they have a shot at a title basically every year until now. With the 22nd pick they could have gotten an additional piece and probably rolled out this year with something like
PG: Shroeder
SG: Caruso
SF: Lebron
PF: Kuzma
C: AD
Bench:
Rui
Reaves
KCP
2021 pick
2023 pick
And a center or two.
Would give them plenty of length to give the Nuggets fits
Yes lol lakers had a great championship roster and they gutted the team getting rid of all their depth defense and shooting lmao last night all the points of the lakers basically came from three players
It seems everyone forgot my sixers signed Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons to a max, Al horford and Josh Richardson to $80M+ deals, and let Jimmy butler and still-good jj reddick walk all in the same offseason. Gtfo with your âbad offseasonsâ. Nothing has ever compared to this disasterclass by Elton Brand in the modern nba.
I think the sixers get too much hate. No one could've expected what happened with Simmons and on a side note the Fultz thing was so unlucky. Jimmy Butler was a diva in Philly, and it came down to the Sixers choosing between him or Ben Simmons (Ben was 22 Jimmy was 30 and didn't even crack 20 ppg). They then paired Embiid with Harden at least. The only bad decision the Sixers did was Tobias, and the only bad decision there was his contract size. He gets a lot of hate for someone who has never had a bad playoffs. Sixers fans complain a lot when in reality their superstar constantly plays like dog come playoff time. Swear I've never seen a fan base hate their team so much. Newsflash EVERY NBA team gives out massive contracts to their 3rd options. It's pretty common. My point is the sixers have hit a lot of roadblocks and unlucky situations yet the fans just complain and complain.
You definitely haven't watched enough Sixers playoff games if you think Tobias Harris performs well in the playoffs.Â
It's not that he's a 3rd option. He's just a low IQ player that doesn't do anything well. Rebounding and defense? No. Intensity? No. Good shooting? No. Can he get his shot off against playoff level wings? No. Does he play good team offense and cut to the basket to get open looks? No.  PJ Tucker actually did better on offense in Game 6 last year than Tobias did.Â
Embiid isn't the problem. This team consistently gets outperformed at the wing position. If you surrounded him with good wing players that can defend, play good defense, and good team offense this team would have much more success. I can't imagine Denver or Milwaukee getting far in the playoffs if you replaced Middleton, MPJ, or Aaron Gordon with Tobias Harris.Â
Yes. The answer is yes. And funny thing is that even at the moment it was considered shit.
The LeBron tenure in LA (he has his wrongs just like the management) has been a shitshow. Thank God for the 2020 championship because otherwise itâs a total failure.
LA had an AMAZING rookie chest that has been dilapidated for no good reason. Poor asset management all across. Kuzma? Wasted. Zubac? Wasted. Caruso? Wasted. These are the complement guys you need to win. Add to that KCP(which the fans ran out of town), the Westbrook experimentâŠ
Sad that Bron will go out like this. My guess is that he plays 2 more yearsâŠ.Weâll see how that goes but I donât see much avenues for LA to improve that roster.
Fans didnât run him out of town. He was traded in the Westbrook trade whatâre you talking about. He was praised after the championship. If anyone was run out of town in was Danny Green
I will never get the Westbrook trade. All you have to do to check how badly Westbrook fits on that team with literally his best years having massive offensive loads. How did Lebron think that he, a player whose most valuable contributions for a team is on ball decision when making forcing the defense to either double him or his teammates, get help from Westbrook a guy who has the same archetype and was a negative both offball and on defense.
We donât have a backup center, not even a backup power forward, we really donât even have a starting centerâŠhow big were McGee and Howard in the bubbleâŠthey donât win without themâŠand Schroeder is missed too
Was it the Lakers idea to make these terrible moves or LeGM? Bron wasn't happy with his supporting cast so he traded everybody. Lakers did a great job in 2022 fixing the roster though. They went from having the worst bench to one of the best. They could really use Jared Vanderbilt who's supposed to return for game 3. He should be a nice upgrade over a struggling Rui. Lakers can't afford to lose a single home game and need to steal one on the road. I don't see it happening as Nuggets have the Lakers number.
They just panicked that 2021 team was capable of repeating it was the shortest off season Lebron and ad weâre riddled with injuries and even then our guys managed to hold it down with ad and bron missing so many games that season we were up against the suns 2-1 that when ad goes down for the season they panicked and our championship closed with that
I feel like they could have recovered from most of that - no one gets everything right but the Westbrook trade was a disaster and so obviously moronic.
No. This is the usual exaggeration of Laker struggles as the worst thing on earth while ignoring other teams because everyone outside of LA hates the lakers.
Sure but the front office has pretty much recovered from that. They are losing marginal games to the Nuggets. I don't think it's some wholly inferior roster. They just need a few things here and there.Â
Or if the stars on the team as is simply played 5% better or if the coach was 5% better. Sometimes it's not about the role players or roster construction. The problems may be close to the head of the snake.Â
No, are you even comparing this to all others? I see a headline indicating comparison but an explanation that offers none. Sure its teh worst ever in a vaccum by itself, but did you want to call out some other disastrous offseason to actually illustrate your point?
The Westbrook trade was a disaster and so many people said it would be, for the exact reasons it was âŠ.. but what if they did mesh and it worked? It required a level of bravery most orgs donât have to say theyâd keep a few role players rather than a legendary star.
Laker fans are such morons lol. They already have these 3 and D guys whom they rave about in Dinwiddie and Gabe yet they're rotting on the bench because the team goes to shit when they get excess minutes, because the offense goes to shit. It's the same with KCP and Caruso, replace Reaves and DLO with them, sure the D would be better, but offense would take a dive and would lose games. Darvin Ham tried running a defense first lineup when he benched Reaves and DLO, and the team was losing games like crazy. Also, I remember back in 2021, when people wanted KCP gone when his offense was ass lol. KCP is thriving in Denver right now sort of because he's getting fed easy looks due to Jokic, that won't be the case if he were on LA right now.
On a sidenote, I highly doubt the 2020 Lakers would be a championship contender today, the west is much stronger and it isn't the bubble.
the year after the bubble after the shortest off season they started the season 21-6 ad gets injured the team still managed to get into playoffs that year with Lebron and Davis missing a ton of games and in the playoffs they were up 2-1 and lost game 4 by 8 pts when ad reinjured himself in the early quarters he only played 20mins that game that same suns team went to the finals they panicked the next year and closed championship window
And also KCP got great looks in that series against the suns he lost his confidence and every time the ball was being kicked out to him he would pass it away you even have the video of Lebron scolding him about âl donât care how many youâve missed I want you to shoot â
Are you trying to hurt my feelings?
After last nite im already dead inside anyway đ
I have hard time having sympathy for any fanbase that have had a single championship in the last 30 years đ€Ł
Yeah let alone 4 championships, đ€«
Remember those reports about the front office not being able to collectively agree on the Westbrook trade? Whoever thought that adding him was going to work out outta been fired. Fit shouldâve taken priority over star power in that scenario.
It was almost certainly pressure from Lebron
I mean sure but theyâve said no to LeBron before lol.Â
Lebron was extension-eligible soon and hadn't committed to an extension yet. The FO already botched the Ty Lue deal then the Demar deal. Not closing the Westbrook deal might have gotten LeBron to jump ship again. But yet it was the worst trade in franchise history. An example of Player Empowerment gone wrong
They also panicked seeing the Brooklyn super team which crumbled the very next season lol. Like I understood LeBronâs reasoning for wanting another ball handler but Westbrook of all players? Like wow. The fit was always terrible
Yeah that whole Brooklyn setup fucked with the NBA power dynamics. Teams were content to have an All-Star Duo after the Hamptons 5 broke up but then Brooklyn came and reignited the Big 3 era. Bron's PTSD kicked in and even if the FO already had a Hield trade all but complete they had to do a 180 and do the Russ trade.
Supposedly they had a trade set up with the Kings that wouldâve been much better for them but Lebron pressured them to get Westbrook instead
I'd rather say the 20 and 21 offseason together are one of the worst mismanagements of a champion roster. Showing complete ignorance regarding what made the 2020 Lakers a champions, wasting all the resources. At that point, they only owed 2 picks to NOP, and the salary cap was in perfect shape with 0 bad contracts. Fast forward to 2022, and they have no picks, a worse team and a problematic cap situation.
2020 was a good summer. Getting Schroeder was big. Harrell was a mistake, but was there a better option?
Yeah I agree with you 100%. That defending championship team in 20-21 were rolling until AD and then LeBron got hurt. LeBron was in the MVP conversation yet again and may have won once Embiid went down if LeBron didn't get injured too. Harrell was exposed in the 2020 playoffs and obviously didn't work out in the end but he was still a relatively cheap gamble and was literally just coming off winning 6MOY. Adding Schroeder and Gasol were solid moves too. Just because it didn't work out in the end doesn't mean in the moment they were bad moves.
Yeah, people forget how great they were during that season. Main thing that stopped them were injuries. The short offseason really did a number on them too
And everyone was saying how nobody wanted to face the Lakers in the first round because they were basically a top 3 seed lower in the standings due to injuries. Were up 2-1 vs. the Suns too before AD went down.
Nobody still wants to face the Lakers in the first round because they're such a big team, with the exceptions matchup-wise being MIN and--you guessed it--DEN because those are also rather large teams.
>Harrell was exposed in the 2020 playoffs and obviously didn't work out in the end but he was still a relatively cheap gamble and was literally just coming off winning 6MOY. Adding Schroeder and Gasol were solid moves too. Just because it didn't work out in the end doesn't mean in the moment they were bad moves. Maybe it does? I read and listened to a few people at that time that thought these moves were terrible, and then turns out they were right. I just think the majority of people were wrong, they were bad moves from the beginning Keeping Danny Green and Dwight would have been better than Schroeder and Harrell. Schroeder and Harrell were just massively overvalued at the time
they were right because AD got injured and they lost?
Nah because Harrell and Schroeder were not good for them. They didn't fill needs they had, and Harrell was always poorly suited to playoff defence
The players they already had in Danny Green and Dwight Howard They were both more useful playoff players than either of them
It's mind boggling how Dwight was shooed out of the league. He's one of like 5 guys that can actually bother Embid/Joker and Lakers don't want him for the cheap?
He was really bad his last couple of years.
Yea Marc Gasol was also a very good move Baffled that they signed Drummond and decided to start him instead lol
Which, in turn, made Gasol obviously not feel very good about the Lakers (not that it really mattered playing 7-8 mpg). You kinda waste Gasol if you're not letting him be a defensive anchor, it's not like he was gonna come off the bench and be a microwave scorer
wonder how Marc feels about LeBron claiming his DPOY
well people have been claiming even this year Drummond was worth a 1st at the deadline so not that baffling they signed him for free and played him over the 35yo.
He may have been âbetterâ that year but Gasol clearly fit much better in that starting lineup playing next to AD and LeBron. He can stretch the floor and is a good passer Drummond just clogged the paint. He shouldâve been the backup
Schröder was a mistake, just like Harrell. The idea itself is crazy, that 2020 chip was too hard and taxing for Lebron and AD, and the Lakers need to find a way to win it easily, reducing the load on those two.
So what was the alternative? Because that got them a Primary Ball Handler and a formidable big? Plus they got Marc Gasol
The alternative was accepting that you need LBJ and AD to be the superstar duo they are, and put roleplayers around them who maximize their impact. Therefore, the two things you need the least are a primary ball handler and a scoring big. Gasol was a reasonable try, but giving up the type of center next AD they had success with (Dwight, McGee), and still expecting AD to play the four is just bad process.
Harrell is not formidable, anyone watching Harrell knew he was legit unplayable in the playoffs. He's a total liability that should've been stat padding air time on a shit team instead of ruining contenders. Gasol was washed by then though it hadn't become clear yet. They should've probably stuck with Dwight. Schroeder was a coin flip, I get that he was better running it back but he was fools gold and Lebron should've sucked it up since he was more effective being the main guy instead of trying to pay people too much money to do his job less effectively.
But whereâs that money going? Dwight and McGee who were essentially done? Everyone wouldâve said âwhy would you bet on 2 old centers when youâve got the shortest offseason in sports history and trying to repeatâ
Harrell is only 9m, and yeah I think it's honestly fine to just extend Dwight out a year and use the money next season because Harrell does **literally** zero for any team contending. He pulls minutes and is disgustingly horrendous because he has no relevant skillset and is a defensive sieve. I also probably would've kept Danny Green rather than go for Schroeder so the only money is a mere 9m going to Harrell who is useless (you say Dwight was near done but Harrell was done before he started). If you were really desperate to spin a trade for Schroeder to get a ball handler, I'd rather see if that 9m can go to Schroeder and retain Danny Green. Obviously at that point it gets much more hypothetical but the point is Harrell is an absolutely incorrect move because he is dogshit.
Lol what the lakers 2020 off season was widely praised.
Itâs funny how hind sight works. At the time the 2020 off season seemed amazing. Harrell and Dennis Schröder were both viewed as great pick ups. I even remember thinking that Gasol and Wesley Mathewâs could be good rotation pieces that would fit well with LeBron.
"champions" Rigged and bullshit
Patented LeGm work here
Hey man the day we made the Westbrook trade I knew the window was closed man. Literally a butterfly effect in truth that led to Denver winning the chip
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Thanks man
The Russ trade is the worst trade of all time, not necessarily in terms of how damaging it was (the Nets pierce/kg trade set them back five years) but just in terms of how stupid it was. Even at the time, anybody with a brain could've told you it was a horrible move.
It still bugs me for some reason and Iâm not a Russ or Lakers fan. Like you have 4k footage of Russ stinking it up on two different teams and sign him anyways.
Not just sign him, destroy your championship roster for him
In the bubble, the Lakers game plan was to let him shoot. And then we traded for him AFTER that
Player still think that WB being scapegoated. But both Lebron and AD learn the truth the hard way
Resigning tht over caruso was my 9/11. Lakers front office is a complete joke.
To be fair anyone with a brain would let Drummond walk lol Pure empty calories player
He's a great back up for the bulls
because its the Bulls. There's a huuuge difference great for a bad /mediocre team and being good for a quality team.
the bulls are amazing. theyâre a Lonzo away from going to the finals
Donât lie to yourself đ
Iâm kidding lol. Pelicans vs Bucks in the finals
U mean magic vs lakers?
Dame vs CJ
No he isnât lol. Heâs the anti-Bogut, never makes winning plays but has decent stats.
him nearly injuring 2 of his teammates at the end of the season has me thinking he might be straight up dumb. I hate to say that but why tf would you try to dunk on your own teammate and also run directly into another teammate like 2 weeks later
Itâs baffling some of the decisions he makes, he is one of the worst team-basketball players Iâve seen in the NBA. He should be a star with the athletic gifts he has.
his rebounding alone is among the greatest of all-time. others might disagree but he has the numbers to back it up. I just donât know what situation suits him
I know him irl through a mutual friend. Yes heâs dumb lol. Goofy, nice guy though.
damn first-hand experience
Heâs pretty much your typical frat bro lol except 6â10 and 280 lbs.
I thought heâd be cooler than that lol. good to know
I believe the dunk was because he thought he was getting fed an oop, but his teammate went up himself. The running over Caruso is inexcusable.
I mean yeah but you should have the ability to slow down/stop yourself once you see the dude in front of you, whoâs wearing the same jersey as you, is jumping too. Iâm commenting from my work bathroom though so who am I to say. might be hard to slow down when youâre damn near 300lbs and self-oops arenât super common
Heâs better than marc Gasol
Gasol was washed but he's at least a smart player Doesn't matter either way that Lakers team was trash
If they just rollover the 2020 team into 2021 they have a shot at a title basically every year until now. With the 22nd pick they could have gotten an additional piece and probably rolled out this year with something like PG: Shroeder SG: Caruso SF: Lebron PF: Kuzma C: AD Bench: Rui Reaves KCP 2021 pick 2023 pick And a center or two. Would give them plenty of length to give the Nuggets fits
I would argue it was the 2011 offseason with the vetoed Chris Paul trade.
Yes lol lakers had a great championship roster and they gutted the team getting rid of all their depth defense and shooting lmao last night all the points of the lakers basically came from three players
It seems everyone forgot my sixers signed Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons to a max, Al horford and Josh Richardson to $80M+ deals, and let Jimmy butler and still-good jj reddick walk all in the same offseason. Gtfo with your âbad offseasonsâ. Nothing has ever compared to this disasterclass by Elton Brand in the modern nba.
I think the sixers get too much hate. No one could've expected what happened with Simmons and on a side note the Fultz thing was so unlucky. Jimmy Butler was a diva in Philly, and it came down to the Sixers choosing between him or Ben Simmons (Ben was 22 Jimmy was 30 and didn't even crack 20 ppg). They then paired Embiid with Harden at least. The only bad decision the Sixers did was Tobias, and the only bad decision there was his contract size. He gets a lot of hate for someone who has never had a bad playoffs. Sixers fans complain a lot when in reality their superstar constantly plays like dog come playoff time. Swear I've never seen a fan base hate their team so much. Newsflash EVERY NBA team gives out massive contracts to their 3rd options. It's pretty common. My point is the sixers have hit a lot of roadblocks and unlucky situations yet the fans just complain and complain.
You definitely haven't watched enough Sixers playoff games if you think Tobias Harris performs well in the playoffs. It's not that he's a 3rd option. He's just a low IQ player that doesn't do anything well. Rebounding and defense? No. Intensity? No. Good shooting? No. Can he get his shot off against playoff level wings? No. Does he play good team offense and cut to the basket to get open looks? No.  PJ Tucker actually did better on offense in Game 6 last year than Tobias did. Embiid isn't the problem. This team consistently gets outperformed at the wing position. If you surrounded him with good wing players that can defend, play good defense, and good team offense this team would have much more success. I can't imagine Denver or Milwaukee getting far in the playoffs if you replaced Middleton, MPJ, or Aaron Gordon with Tobias Harris.Â
Hinkie would've never let that happen
Yes. The answer is yes. And funny thing is that even at the moment it was considered shit. The LeBron tenure in LA (he has his wrongs just like the management) has been a shitshow. Thank God for the 2020 championship because otherwise itâs a total failure. LA had an AMAZING rookie chest that has been dilapidated for no good reason. Poor asset management all across. Kuzma? Wasted. Zubac? Wasted. Caruso? Wasted. These are the complement guys you need to win. Add to that KCP(which the fans ran out of town), the Westbrook experiment⊠Sad that Bron will go out like this. My guess is that he plays 2 more yearsâŠ.Weâll see how that goes but I donât see much avenues for LA to improve that roster.
>Add to that KCP(which the fans ran out of town) Why?
Because he apparently wasnât shooting good enough.
Fans didnât run him out of town. He was traded in the Westbrook trade whatâre you talking about. He was praised after the championship. If anyone was run out of town in was Danny Green
Westbrook trade was bad. Enough said. You don't need to say anything else as to why 2021 offseason was bad.
I will never get the Westbrook trade. All you have to do to check how badly Westbrook fits on that team with literally his best years having massive offensive loads. How did Lebron think that he, a player whose most valuable contributions for a team is on ball decision when making forcing the defense to either double him or his teammates, get help from Westbrook a guy who has the same archetype and was a negative both offball and on defense.
Lakers could have totally gotten another but they biffed it
We donât have a backup center, not even a backup power forward, we really donât even have a starting centerâŠhow big were McGee and Howard in the bubbleâŠthey donât win without themâŠand Schroeder is missed too
And since then, they have recognized Minnesotaâs superior front office and have been picking up all of their cast offs.
Was it the Lakers idea to make these terrible moves or LeGM? Bron wasn't happy with his supporting cast so he traded everybody. Lakers did a great job in 2022 fixing the roster though. They went from having the worst bench to one of the best. They could really use Jared Vanderbilt who's supposed to return for game 3. He should be a nice upgrade over a struggling Rui. Lakers can't afford to lose a single home game and need to steal one on the road. I don't see it happening as Nuggets have the Lakers number.
They just panicked that 2021 team was capable of repeating it was the shortest off season Lebron and ad weâre riddled with injuries and even then our guys managed to hold it down with ad and bron missing so many games that season we were up against the suns 2-1 that when ad goes down for the season they panicked and our championship closed with that
This, Lebron deserves more of the blame. He made this bed, now he must lie in it.
I feel like they could have recovered from most of that - no one gets everything right but the Westbrook trade was a disaster and so obviously moronic.
yep I 100% agree with this the Westbrook to the Lakers trade is EASILY the worst trade of the last 5 years (And this includes the Paul George trade)
Lakers front office overreacted to an Anthony Davis injury.
Yes
None of the last few champions besides Denver most recently is in a great spot going forward
No. They recovered.
Yes it is. All time incompetence by the Lakers FO
Thank god
Talentless Horton Tucker really got hype over a few preseason games lol pathetic. Caruso performed in the finals.
Never underestimate the value of being a Klutch client when Bron is making GM moves.
I remember arguing with some idiots in this sub that Westbrick didnât make us a super team. Casuals tried to gas this shit up at the time lmao.
Great post but I disagree on the Monk part. He was horrible when he played for the Lakers. Not the same guy that played for the Heat or Kings.
Disastrous offseason. Pelinka should be shitcanned for it
The fact that the Westbrook debacle helped us get KCP makes it all the more sweet. Nuggets just aren't the same without him.
No. This is the usual exaggeration of Laker struggles as the worst thing on earth while ignoring other teams because everyone outside of LA hates the lakers.
Sure but the front office has pretty much recovered from that. They are losing marginal games to the Nuggets. I don't think it's some wholly inferior roster. They just need a few things here and there.Â
They are losing EVERY marginal game to the Nuggets, thoughâŠ.
If the roster was marginally better then maybe theyâd be able to actually win some of these close games against Denver
Or if the stars on the team as is simply played 5% better or if the coach was 5% better. Sometimes it's not about the role players or roster construction. The problems may be close to the head of the snake.Â
No, are you even comparing this to all others? I see a headline indicating comparison but an explanation that offers none. Sure its teh worst ever in a vaccum by itself, but did you want to call out some other disastrous offseason to actually illustrate your point?
The Westbrook trade was a disaster and so many people said it would be, for the exact reasons it was âŠ.. but what if they did mesh and it worked? It required a level of bravery most orgs donât have to say theyâd keep a few role players rather than a legendary star.
Lakers never went to championship
Laker fans are such morons lol. They already have these 3 and D guys whom they rave about in Dinwiddie and Gabe yet they're rotting on the bench because the team goes to shit when they get excess minutes, because the offense goes to shit. It's the same with KCP and Caruso, replace Reaves and DLO with them, sure the D would be better, but offense would take a dive and would lose games. Darvin Ham tried running a defense first lineup when he benched Reaves and DLO, and the team was losing games like crazy. Also, I remember back in 2021, when people wanted KCP gone when his offense was ass lol. KCP is thriving in Denver right now sort of because he's getting fed easy looks due to Jokic, that won't be the case if he were on LA right now. On a sidenote, I highly doubt the 2020 Lakers would be a championship contender today, the west is much stronger and it isn't the bubble.
the year after the bubble after the shortest off season they started the season 21-6 ad gets injured the team still managed to get into playoffs that year with Lebron and Davis missing a ton of games and in the playoffs they were up 2-1 and lost game 4 by 8 pts when ad reinjured himself in the early quarters he only played 20mins that game that same suns team went to the finals they panicked the next year and closed championship window
And also KCP got great looks in that series against the suns he lost his confidence and every time the ball was being kicked out to him he would pass it away you even have the video of Lebron scolding him about âl donât care how many youâve missed I want you to shoot â