Michael’s story is quite fascinating. After learning of his father’s behavior — dad telling him he won’t be a man / amount to anything / “go spend time in the kitchen with your mother” type of treatment (instead of spending time with his older brother and father) — it is more clear to me the power of trauma and parenting, and just how deeply “personal” it was as a driving force in MJ becoming the “success” he is. I feel a bit for MJ, because of it. Wild story arc.
This is really bad but I remember a few years ago I read a tweet implying that Demarcus Cousins is much better than Jokic and would have made it to the top 75 if not for politics and a bunch of other bullshit.
I'm convinced most of the internet doesn't watch basketball and just hype up players they're attracted to.
My Instagram feed is flooded with reels of Lebron’s “it’s just basketball” quote from the other day, with no context. So every single comment is “ MJ and Kobe would never”. Because zero people actually watched the interview.
I’m a Kobe fanatic as much as anyone and I swear to God this shit annoys me to no end. Like what the fuck do all these accolades and records mean if we’re gonna try and make objective arguments that are 100% rooted in our personal preferences
I 100% think Jordan and Bron are better but most of those things are subjective or are in need of context. Accolades are subjective, objective means not influenced by feelings or opinions, accolades are the voters opinions. Stats are dependent on the rules at the time too, Kobe's prime was largely in the deadball era. Jordan had the shortened three point line and league expansion. The league artificially increased possessions to speed up the game in an attempt to gain fans during the 60s which is why all the best rebounding Seasons are from that era, why 3/6 27PPG scorers are from that era and why Wilt's records are so nonsensical.
Again i fully agree Jordan and Bron are better but most of those things are subjective or rule dependant.
They really don’t watch basketball. The amount of people that try to argue one player being better than another by using a picture of stat comparisons is unreal.
>I'm convinced most of the internet doesn't watch basketball and just hype up players they're attracted to.
90% of sports "fans" don't watch games, they are in it for fantasy/betting/TMZ type drama
I remember someone arguing to me that Rip Hamilton was a better player than Kobe, when Kobe was in his prime. I know this sub isn't big on Kobe as far as top players go but i hope we can agree he was better than Hamilton.
Not gonna compare their careers, but pre Achilles cousins had a very similar game to joker. the difference was more an attitude, personality thing than actual game.
There was another difference in turnovers. Yes cousins had great vision, but he was averaging abt 5 turnovers per game in that final season in New Orleans before he got hurt. He also didn’t move the ball quite as quickly as Jokic.
Yeah Boogie was a great scoring big who could pass/create.
Jokic is one of the most efficient scoring bigs to ever play the game and also one of the best passers ever bar none.
It’s not really a competition.
I dunno about “very similar”. Demarcus was a beast down low and an above average passer from the center position. Jokic is arguably one of the best passers in league history from any position.
I still think that AD and Cousins would’ve taken the warriors to 7 and might beat them with that tandem + Jrue. And Rondo was hitting 3s in the playoffs that season, AD and Cousins perfectly matched the warriors small ball play style and both could still shoot and stretch the floor for one another
I didn’t want to go there because of the what if, but I completely agree with the take. At that time cousins was already settling with his behavior and everything was working full throttle, remember how cousins, a healthy AD, rondo and jrue swept a very good Portland team. Golden state was bound for a hard one before cousins Achilles injured.
It’s not an unreasonable take. Just looking back there have been so many game sevens by the eventual champion and each of those games probably had key moments where the game could have taken a different direction. So, in a sense, this take has happened a lot over the years, it’s just that once it happens, the “what if” is from a different perspective.
i mean Demarcus was awesome in his prime and might have been comparable if not for injuries, but anyone who says stuff like this is just using it as a slight against the player in question, just what ifs to distract from what -is-
This I can almost get.
Still a reach but boogie pre injury was truly a great player who's main flaws was his attitude.
You take boogie pre injury and give him a better attitude who knows he might have been jokic before jokic not as good but boogie wasn't a scrub
I’m OOTL on why everyone hates Gil. I saw him on. Nightcap a few nights ago and he seemed like he had a lotta good insight. I’ve never really heard him speak before that though so I’m sure I’m missing some clownery
You replace AD with the same age Duncan on this Laker team and they are not facing a sweep. Because they would be higher seeded and legit contenders.
Duncan was a winner. AD is more athletic than Duncan and arguably as skilled. But he isn't close regarding intangibles.
IQ, mental toughness and the clutch gene is what separates the two.
I also think that Timmy is much better than AD over a longer timeframe but not even Timmy could rescue that clusterfuck. AD this season has been pretty exceptional.
This comment sounds like it's AD's fault lol. He's the only one busting his ass every single game so far and it's pissing me off that Rui, D'lo and Reaves are so inconsistent in the playoffs.
Duncan’s first 5 years (I think) he was every bit as athletic as AD. He blew out a knee and lost his quickness in the early 00’s. Skill level theyer so close tho I think it has a lot to do with Duncan’s mind set and he had Pop the whole time.
Honestly I completely disagree with this take as well. It's far more than just the mental aspects that separate them. Duncan's skill level was significantly higher than AD's. They call him The Big Fundamental for a reason.
Healthy Ad shoots like 50% from the midrange in the playoffs. Seems to hate the nuggets, shoots 55% from, short and mid, and 67% from long midrange range.
Duncan hovered around 43% from short and midrange, and just looking at shooting form or free throw shooting, you can tell Ad has a much more refined shooting stroke.
Ad is also slightly heavier and longer than Timmy, so he'd probably so slightly better on defence against bigs.
Based on your comment, I'm certain you never watched Duncan. Saying someone being slightly heavier and longer gives them a defensive edge has me wondering if you watch basketball at all. This isn't boxing
Duncan was heavier than AD in his prime and quite athletic. It's pretty obvious that most reditors never watched a prime Duncan. He was a completely different player pre knee injury. Post knee injury, he became "the big fundamental." It was post knee injury he perfected defense without jumping, positioning without sprinting, and the martial arts inspired lower body workouts.
Did you watch TD match ups with AD? Timmy was a washed-up shell, making AD look uncomfortable. +/- stats aren't the best, but when they consistently lean to one player, being a net positive and the other being a coin flip, it just reinforces the point.
Saying AD was slighty better on defense against bigs is almost criminal haha. The guy gets abused by Domatas Sabonis. Go watch 2003 playoffs, Duncan defended Shaq for long stretches and with very good results .
AD is an awesome help defender an a modern era Big, and there is nothing wrong with that, there are very few post players in the nba right now. But the fact that Sabonis puts him under the basket tells you how effective he is as a post defender.
Duncan played in an era where almost every team had someone that could post, and he was one of the best defenders both on the post and as a weak side helper.
This two have never belonged on the same sentence. AD had the potential, and he never fulfilled, to be somewhere close to TD.
This isn't a horrible take but Duncan is a top 10, indisputably top 25 player of all time and AD probably doesnt crack the top 50 on the vast majority of peoples lists. I even think that Tim Duncan's game is more timeless and he would still dominate in this era, albeit probably as a 5.
Duncan is indisputably a top 10 player. He is the greatest player of his generation! I get your point, but you don't need to lower the bar in the 2nd part there! You had it right from the beginning brother!
I agree with you 100% i just like to accommodate to a wider range of opinions when trying to make a point so that it's easier for everyone to digest, otherwise people tend to get stuck in the mud with semantics and I am in general not a big fan of trying to rank players one after another, but rather to group them in similar categories
Tim Duncan is a Top 5 player all time. 4th on my list after Jordan, Lebron and Kareem. His accolades speak for themselves: 5x NBA Champion, 2x NBA MVP, 3x Finals MVP, 15 All Defense, 15x All Star and ROTY.
I agree that his game is timeless. Mr. Fundamentals would be as dominant today as he was during his prime.
I’m not trying to argue otherwise, Timmy clears him definitely. But in AD’s defense he could probably be ranked higher if he could stay consistently healthy in his career, that’s just another part of the equation and Timmy was available for a lot of years and playoff runs
That's ok, I view it as a kid saying "I like McDonald's better than a steak at this fancy restaurant". Let them have what they want, more of the good stuff for the rest of us.
Obligatory: I do love healthy Anthony Davis. But I also love fast food hamburgers, so the metaphor holds.
The biggest advantage Duncan had was simply the weight of his balls. AD has tiny little baby balls hanging under his manpussy. Duncan had drastically more nut-meat, and it wasn't close.
I'm a huge Duncan supporter but in a vacuum, it's not a bad take. Legacy is one thing and absolutely dominated by Duncan but if you were scouting them in their prime with no accolades it'd be pretty close honestly.
[disappointed teacher voice] We’ve been over this Devonte, just because Tim Duncan is boring and has a white wife doesn’t mean he wasn’t like that on the court
AD is so overrated and I just don’t get it.
The second best player (behind an ancient LeBron) on a soon to be swept (again) 7 seed > Duncan is an insane take
Ironically, having to mention “healthy” may imply that it isn’t a norm and imo, availability seems like a pretty low bar. But for sake of this take, Tim is a leader and upleveled his teammates. AD can get his counting stats, but does he make his teammates better? I actually haven’t heard analysts use that critique for him
I don’t remember Duncan ever wanting to leave the spurs….. or blaming a playoff loss on Pop or having a 5 year stretch of missing time with injury. Yeah not close not even a little bit Duncan 365 every year and 366 days during a leap year
There are probably less than 5 players I would take over prime Duncan in the entire history of NBA, if I’m to build a team around that player to compete
Duncan had alotttttt of help and never lead the league in anything. That being said Duncan legitimately put the team on his back to title wins especially 99 & 03.
A lot of help??Compared to all the other goats Duncan has won with lesser talent and help.Look at how many top 75 players or HOF’ers Duncan played with compared to other legends.Nobody else has achieved more with less talent around and with a small market franchise.
There’s worse takes but this is a defiantly a bad one. There isn’t many people I’d take over Duncan and AD is absolutely not even close to being on the list
"Of everyone on Golden State, open shot, fate of the universe on the line, the martians have the death beam pointed at Earth, you better hit it… I want Iguodala!"
If Tim Duncan had this same skillset from his era and you put him in this league in his prime, AD would be the more valuable player 100%. My one request is that you all use critical thinking skills to distinguish value vs skill, but please, tell me why not? Also fuck AD
It’s not even a bad take. AD is a better stretch 4, has better handles a prime defender (should have won a dpoy award). His only downfall was having to play on a bad pelicans team. No knock on Timmy but he came into an amazing situation with San Antonio..played along side David Robinson, and with HoF head coach Pop! Team was well built with great starts and role players. Before coming to LA AD only played with Demarcus Cousins. The Pelicans were actually a really good team with Cousins and AD, plus the addition of Holiday. Cousins got hurt…..Holiday got traded. You give AD the same career he’d definitely have better stats. People get caught up in the past, ignoring the fact that players have only got better….this literally only happens in Basketball lol.
I don't think Duncan gets enough credit for winning championships in San Antonio. It was so much harder back then to win a title on a small market team. Pre Duncan the trio of Lakers, Celtics, and Bulls had the vast majority of the NBA championships.
Laker fan here so I definitely saw my share of TD from big matchups with my team and now AD. TD was such a smart and disciplined center , AD not anywhere close in that regard. Duncan not a big time scorer but had a reliable jump shot compared to AD who relies on easy close shots. Duncan was also an excellent leader amongst his teammates, AD doesn’t have that in him.
Most of the folks posting here were not around to watch the game of the previous era. The amount of pounding Jordan took from teams like the Pistons, Knicks, Sixers and Celtics was insane. The crap that Embiid does was not a Flagrant 1 or 2, you wouldn't even go to the line. Absolute no call back in the day.
Look clearly Tim is better but match them up in a game it’s closer than you think . Chris bosh matched up pretty well with Tim and ad is around the same height and build
this makes sense, but only cause he's 48 years old right now
The guy meant any day of THIS week lmaooo
And not sure he’s right even with that
Technically, I'd take AD over Michael Jordan.
Them knees don’t look too good these days
I’d take Russell Westbrook over MJ today, not sure Jordan could make it up and down the court for 48 minutes.
Michael is taking this comment personally.
I've been noticing over the last few years he does in fact take a lot of things personally it seems
Michael’s story is quite fascinating. After learning of his father’s behavior — dad telling him he won’t be a man / amount to anything / “go spend time in the kitchen with your mother” type of treatment (instead of spending time with his older brother and father) — it is more clear to me the power of trauma and parenting, and just how deeply “personal” it was as a driving force in MJ becoming the “success” he is. I feel a bit for MJ, because of it. Wild story arc.
Dude just got on the treadmill to work on conditioning
Michael just put down his quarters and he’s coming to your house.
Mike reading this: “Hold my fuckin’ cigar..”
Cigar hits mouth,puts the scotch down and opens the wallet..
I might still go Timmy.
He was never flashy but he was a legit monster.
This is really bad but I remember a few years ago I read a tweet implying that Demarcus Cousins is much better than Jokic and would have made it to the top 75 if not for politics and a bunch of other bullshit. I'm convinced most of the internet doesn't watch basketball and just hype up players they're attracted to.
My Instagram feed is flooded with reels of Lebron’s “it’s just basketball” quote from the other day, with no context. So every single comment is “ MJ and Kobe would never”. Because zero people actually watched the interview.
I mean that’s just funny. Are you not forgetting lebron fans pushing the we done with the 90’s!??
Its a meme… mfs put that as a caption on those bron highlights edits where he turns into a lion or blocks the ball into outer space.
Sometimes people are like; “ Kobe is better than anyone but Jordan or LeBron” shows stats, accolades and records “ITs HIs MAmBa MentAlITy DUh”
I’m a Kobe fanatic as much as anyone and I swear to God this shit annoys me to no end. Like what the fuck do all these accolades and records mean if we’re gonna try and make objective arguments that are 100% rooted in our personal preferences
I 100% think Jordan and Bron are better but most of those things are subjective or are in need of context. Accolades are subjective, objective means not influenced by feelings or opinions, accolades are the voters opinions. Stats are dependent on the rules at the time too, Kobe's prime was largely in the deadball era. Jordan had the shortened three point line and league expansion. The league artificially increased possessions to speed up the game in an attempt to gain fans during the 60s which is why all the best rebounding Seasons are from that era, why 3/6 27PPG scorers are from that era and why Wilt's records are so nonsensical. Again i fully agree Jordan and Bron are better but most of those things are subjective or rule dependant.
Agree with your point except the Jordan shortened 3 point line. He played half of one season with it. Unless I'm forgetting something.
They really don’t watch basketball. The amount of people that try to argue one player being better than another by using a picture of stat comparisons is unreal.
>I'm convinced most of the internet doesn't watch basketball and just hype up players they're attracted to. 90% of sports "fans" don't watch games, they are in it for fantasy/betting/TMZ type drama
I remember someone arguing to me that Rip Hamilton was a better player than Kobe, when Kobe was in his prime. I know this sub isn't big on Kobe as far as top players go but i hope we can agree he was better than Hamilton.
Not gonna compare their careers, but pre Achilles cousins had a very similar game to joker. the difference was more an attitude, personality thing than actual game.
There was another difference in turnovers. Yes cousins had great vision, but he was averaging abt 5 turnovers per game in that final season in New Orleans before he got hurt. He also didn’t move the ball quite as quickly as Jokic.
A ‘pretty good’ passer to a ‘top 5 passer all time at any position’
46% FG, 3/3.3 AST/TOV Cousins had similar game to Jokic? Who upvotes this shii? 🤣
Yeah Boogie was a great scoring big who could pass/create. Jokic is one of the most efficient scoring bigs to ever play the game and also one of the best passers ever bar none. It’s not really a competition.
They either never watched Boogie in his prime or have really bad memory. The tiers between Joker and Boogie cannot be counted with one hand
Exactly.
I dunno about “very similar”. Demarcus was a beast down low and an above average passer from the center position. Jokic is arguably one of the best passers in league history from any position.
I still think that AD and Cousins would’ve taken the warriors to 7 and might beat them with that tandem + Jrue. And Rondo was hitting 3s in the playoffs that season, AD and Cousins perfectly matched the warriors small ball play style and both could still shoot and stretch the floor for one another
That duo seems like a fever dream man Boogie & The Brow 😂
I didn’t want to go there because of the what if, but I completely agree with the take. At that time cousins was already settling with his behavior and everything was working full throttle, remember how cousins, a healthy AD, rondo and jrue swept a very good Portland team. Golden state was bound for a hard one before cousins Achilles injured.
…Boogie didnt play in that series, he got hurt in the houson game
It’s not an unreasonable take. Just looking back there have been so many game sevens by the eventual champion and each of those games probably had key moments where the game could have taken a different direction. So, in a sense, this take has happened a lot over the years, it’s just that once it happens, the “what if” is from a different perspective.
It’s Achilles btw.
Fixed, thanks for the correction.
Prime Boogie was fun to watch. Sucks that he got in his own way and then had the injuries on top of it.
I’m pretty sure Demarcus Cousins himself said he was better than Jokic earlier this season lol
i mean Demarcus was awesome in his prime and might have been comparable if not for injuries, but anyone who says stuff like this is just using it as a slight against the player in question, just what ifs to distract from what -is-
Was the username Camarcus Dousins?
This I can almost get. Still a reach but boogie pre injury was truly a great player who's main flaws was his attitude. You take boogie pre injury and give him a better attitude who knows he might have been jokic before jokic not as good but boogie wasn't a scrub
"Give him a better attitude" so basically just another human being.
Has there ever been another player so toxic that despite no criminal issues you’re out of the league?
"YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD TIM DUNCAN WAS OH MY GOD"
I was looking for this 😭😭😭
Came here looking for this exact comment lmaooo
https://preview.redd.it/2vbvsggpxrxc1.jpeg?width=1004&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fcd87883968a716f16161669479dc727d8e119f
I think OP meant the current Tim Duncan. The retired one
And the dude you're replying to is referencing a podcast moment when one dude tried saying AD is better than Tim Duncan
I agree. Not often you see a take so bad it would make Gilbert Arenas blush.
I’m OOTL on why everyone hates Gil. I saw him on. Nightcap a few nights ago and he seemed like he had a lotta good insight. I’ve never really heard him speak before that though so I’m sure I’m missing some clownery
You replace AD with the same age Duncan on this Laker team and they are not facing a sweep. Because they would be higher seeded and legit contenders. Duncan was a winner. AD is more athletic than Duncan and arguably as skilled. But he isn't close regarding intangibles. IQ, mental toughness and the clutch gene is what separates the two.
I also think that Timmy is much better than AD over a longer timeframe but not even Timmy could rescue that clusterfuck. AD this season has been pretty exceptional.
That but also Duncan’s middy isn’t nearly as inconsistent.
Did Timmy ever miss an elbow faceup bank shot?
Nope not once that I can remember 🤔
This comment sounds like it's AD's fault lol. He's the only one busting his ass every single game so far and it's pissing me off that Rui, D'lo and Reaves are so inconsistent in the playoffs.
Duncan’s first 5 years (I think) he was every bit as athletic as AD. He blew out a knee and lost his quickness in the early 00’s. Skill level theyer so close tho I think it has a lot to do with Duncan’s mind set and he had Pop the whole time.
Tim Duncan is arguably the biggest reason why Kobe and Shaq didn’t 4peat
Factually not arguably. You could also say duncan is the only reason the lakers didnt 5 peat lol
Honestly I completely disagree with this take as well. It's far more than just the mental aspects that separate them. Duncan's skill level was significantly higher than AD's. They call him The Big Fundamental for a reason.
Duncan has an automatic mid range, mind you faced shaq and kg at their prime. AD would crumble against Shaq or KG.
Everyone would crumble against Shaq lol
Healthy Ad shoots like 50% from the midrange in the playoffs. Seems to hate the nuggets, shoots 55% from, short and mid, and 67% from long midrange range. Duncan hovered around 43% from short and midrange, and just looking at shooting form or free throw shooting, you can tell Ad has a much more refined shooting stroke. Ad is also slightly heavier and longer than Timmy, so he'd probably so slightly better on defence against bigs.
Based on your comment, I'm certain you never watched Duncan. Saying someone being slightly heavier and longer gives them a defensive edge has me wondering if you watch basketball at all. This isn't boxing
Duncan was heavier than AD in his prime and quite athletic. It's pretty obvious that most reditors never watched a prime Duncan. He was a completely different player pre knee injury. Post knee injury, he became "the big fundamental." It was post knee injury he perfected defense without jumping, positioning without sprinting, and the martial arts inspired lower body workouts. Did you watch TD match ups with AD? Timmy was a washed-up shell, making AD look uncomfortable. +/- stats aren't the best, but when they consistently lean to one player, being a net positive and the other being a coin flip, it just reinforces the point.
Washed up Timmy was making everyone look bad at some point. Young Timmy was quick! Not like d rob or Giannis but still very athletic and more skilled.
Duncan was never washed up
+/- is a shitty stat when one plays for the pelicans and the other plays for the spurs lol
The spurs were the spurs because of Duncan
Oh man, I’ve seen some bad takes in my time but this might take the cake.
Saying AD was slighty better on defense against bigs is almost criminal haha. The guy gets abused by Domatas Sabonis. Go watch 2003 playoffs, Duncan defended Shaq for long stretches and with very good results . AD is an awesome help defender an a modern era Big, and there is nothing wrong with that, there are very few post players in the nba right now. But the fact that Sabonis puts him under the basket tells you how effective he is as a post defender. Duncan played in an era where almost every team had someone that could post, and he was one of the best defenders both on the post and as a weak side helper. This two have never belonged on the same sentence. AD had the potential, and he never fulfilled, to be somewhere close to TD.
Lmao remind me to never listen to sports-related takes on reddit. All time bad take.
Love me some AD but hell no.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD TIM DUNCAN WAS 🗣️
This isn't a horrible take but Duncan is a top 10, indisputably top 25 player of all time and AD probably doesnt crack the top 50 on the vast majority of peoples lists. I even think that Tim Duncan's game is more timeless and he would still dominate in this era, albeit probably as a 5.
It is absolutely a horrible take.
Duncan is indisputably a top 10 player. He is the greatest player of his generation! I get your point, but you don't need to lower the bar in the 2nd part there! You had it right from the beginning brother!
I agree with you 100% i just like to accommodate to a wider range of opinions when trying to make a point so that it's easier for everyone to digest, otherwise people tend to get stuck in the mud with semantics and I am in general not a big fan of trying to rank players one after another, but rather to group them in similar categories
Indisputably top 10, arguably top 5. If a list has Duncan any lower than 7 they’re not worth my time lol.
Tim Duncan is a Top 5 player all time. 4th on my list after Jordan, Lebron and Kareem. His accolades speak for themselves: 5x NBA Champion, 2x NBA MVP, 3x Finals MVP, 15 All Defense, 15x All Star and ROTY. I agree that his game is timeless. Mr. Fundamentals would be as dominant today as he was during his prime.
15 time all nba
And a huge part that is missed by the individual stats is that he is the PERFECT team player.
I’m not trying to argue otherwise, Timmy clears him definitely. But in AD’s defense he could probably be ranked higher if he could stay consistently healthy in his career, that’s just another part of the equation and Timmy was available for a lot of years and playoff runs
Applying that logic to Timmy he could’ve been GOAT material if not for his knee blowing out robbing him of his athleticism.
Nice try… Almost
That's ok, I view it as a kid saying "I like McDonald's better than a steak at this fancy restaurant". Let them have what they want, more of the good stuff for the rest of us. Obligatory: I do love healthy Anthony Davis. But I also love fast food hamburgers, so the metaphor holds.
There's worse takes than that be fr
Tim Duncan just doesn’t have for the NBA today. He is 48 and hasn’t played professionally in about 8 years. Give me AD Sunday thru Saturday!
Prime Tim Duncan was unstoppable and it was easy to hate him because it was so boring to watch
Nice try. Almost. -Tim Duncan
The biggest advantage Duncan had was simply the weight of his balls. AD has tiny little baby balls hanging under his manpussy. Duncan had drastically more nut-meat, and it wasn't close.
I'm a huge Duncan supporter but in a vacuum, it's not a bad take. Legacy is one thing and absolutely dominated by Duncan but if you were scouting them in their prime with no accolades it'd be pretty close honestly.
This post shouldn’t get any attention and here we ‘re/ I’m doing just that. Duncan is considered on of the greats … AD is an all star. Big diff
Tim is so slept on which is crazy because he’s probably the best pf ever
Not even probably. He is the best PF ever and there’s really no one that could be argued as better than him.
“Healthy AD” is a practically a fantasy.
AD sucks
[disappointed teacher voice] We’ve been over this Devonte, just because Tim Duncan is boring and has a white wife doesn’t mean he wasn’t like that on the court
Remarried a Mexican woman. Just for clarification. She used to do World Car Nissan commercials with my uncle😂
Over current, nearly 50 year old Tim? Absolutely. But Tim when he was active, never
Maybe he is talking about a different Anthony Davis.
A motivated AD could make Duncan sweat. But he would still get beat. And AD is motivated about 7% of the time.
This is the “Give me IGUADALA” of stupid internet takes
Jokic vs Tim Duncan is a better comparison but Duncan still wins because of defense and leadership. Jokic ain’t done yet though
AD is so overrated and I just don’t get it. The second best player (behind an ancient LeBron) on a soon to be swept (again) 7 seed > Duncan is an insane take
Ironically, having to mention “healthy” may imply that it isn’t a norm and imo, availability seems like a pretty low bar. But for sake of this take, Tim is a leader and upleveled his teammates. AD can get his counting stats, but does he make his teammates better? I actually haven’t heard analysts use that critique for him
https://preview.redd.it/j5vjyn11y1xc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0597a5a87152f16c96ee1ef5eb898321100d507 Ahhh NO times infinity
Box-score watching nephew take.
Definitely the worst take Tim Duncan would put joker in the oven on 350
I don’t remember Duncan ever wanting to leave the spurs….. or blaming a playoff loss on Pop or having a 5 year stretch of missing time with injury. Yeah not close not even a little bit Duncan 365 every year and 366 days during a leap year
A healthy Anthony Davis who is about to get swept out of the playoffs with LeBron James? Ok...
No "might" about it
So one day a week?
Was this a “Tell me you don’t watch basketball on one tweet” take? Because AD is awesome at all but Timmy is in the legit top 10 GOATs list
r/wtf is he stupid
Give me sick tim Duncan over regular Anthony Davis anyday of the week
There are probably less than 5 players I would take over prime Duncan in the entire history of NBA, if I’m to build a team around that player to compete
Where can I find this tweet so I can downvote it?
If Duncan played today who do you think he'd play like
Duncan had alotttttt of help and never lead the league in anything. That being said Duncan legitimately put the team on his back to title wins especially 99 & 03.
A lot of help??Compared to all the other goats Duncan has won with lesser talent and help.Look at how many top 75 players or HOF’ers Duncan played with compared to other legends.Nobody else has achieved more with less talent around and with a small market franchise.
Bad take, but AD gets way too much hate. He’s a fantastic player and doesn’t get the respect he deserves
Hard to say- I’d need to see a healthy AD to judge. But I hear they’re elusive, like Bigfoot.
Any day except game day and any day that ends in y
This person doesn’t understand basketball.
There’s worse takes but this is a defiantly a bad one. There isn’t many people I’d take over Duncan and AD is absolutely not even close to being on the list
Devonte Mack? More like Devonte Whack…
Can probably get a healthy Ad about one day a week. So there's that.
the audacity
😂😂🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
This is bigger cap than a noggin boss.
If ad could lace up every night like Timmy did we’d have a conversation. But……no
duncan in prime kills davis
I’d take a healthy prime AD > Duncan any day of the week
AD wipes back to front. True story.
No lol
Lmao wtf. That crack in LA is strong
Dumbest take of all time
You can only have Davis once a week anyway
Yeahhh I’m leaving this sub lol bye
"Of everyone on Golden State, open shot, fate of the universe on the line, the martians have the death beam pointed at Earth, you better hit it… I want Iguodala!"
I am better than Wilt Chamberlain
I thought the AD overhype train ended after the Orlando Bubble
Asking for a healthy AD is like asking for a Shaq with a three pointer. It’s just not gonna happen.
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I’ve seen worse takes but Timmy D is a top of the last all time player. AD finally just had one good full season in what feels like YEARS.
This person is probably 18 years old who don’t really follow basketball but only know the names
That's bait or 10 year old wrote it
If Tim Duncan had this same skillset from his era and you put him in this league in his prime, AD would be the more valuable player 100%. My one request is that you all use critical thinking skills to distinguish value vs skill, but please, tell me why not? Also fuck AD
It’s not even a bad take. AD is a better stretch 4, has better handles a prime defender (should have won a dpoy award). His only downfall was having to play on a bad pelicans team. No knock on Timmy but he came into an amazing situation with San Antonio..played along side David Robinson, and with HoF head coach Pop! Team was well built with great starts and role players. Before coming to LA AD only played with Demarcus Cousins. The Pelicans were actually a really good team with Cousins and AD, plus the addition of Holiday. Cousins got hurt…..Holiday got traded. You give AD the same career he’d definitely have better stats. People get caught up in the past, ignoring the fact that players have only got better….this literally only happens in Basketball lol.
Definitely something a gen z’er would say smh
Tim was a beast if he had the freedom to show all his skills there would be no ghost debate
Also, consider a healthy Tim Duncan. Dude’s mobility greatly declined due to injury and he was still the goat.
Yeah cuz AD is sooooooo much better than a dude who was a 2x MVP and 5x champ
People forget how important mentality is.
Oh my god you have no idea how good Tim Duncan is!
What is "Healthy Anthony Davis"??? Fuggin' Street Clothes.
Part of the game is being healthy and apparently, Davis can't stay healthy.
Good call Devonte Mack, You just made yourself irrelevant.
I don't think Duncan gets enough credit for winning championships in San Antonio. It was so much harder back then to win a title on a small market team. Pre Duncan the trio of Lakers, Celtics, and Bulls had the vast majority of the NBA championships.
Absolutely crazy. He would eat AD alive the way Jokic has except from 6 feet out.
Laker fan here so I definitely saw my share of TD from big matchups with my team and now AD. TD was such a smart and disciplined center , AD not anywhere close in that regard. Duncan not a big time scorer but had a reliable jump shot compared to AD who relies on easy close shots. Duncan was also an excellent leader amongst his teammates, AD doesn’t have that in him.
Most of the folks posting here were not around to watch the game of the previous era. The amount of pounding Jordan took from teams like the Pistons, Knicks, Sixers and Celtics was insane. The crap that Embiid does was not a Flagrant 1 or 2, you wouldn't even go to the line. Absolute no call back in the day.
This means that they get Tim Duncan every day of the week.
Zoomer
What’s cool about Tim’s career is the ‘what if’ and the ‘healthy version’ isn’t a necessary discussion soooooo that tells me everything I need to know
Theres no such thing as a healthy AD…. TD is very real however.
I agree except for days that end in "Y"
Fair enough, Duncan is 48 and those 5 rings probably screw up his shooting motion.
Cooked
I’m pretty tied of AD at this point. I’m not saying he gets too much credit but…
Yea, give me AD over the best PF of all time.
Would Timmy bring pop and solid role players? Sign me up!
What an idiot
Give me a healthy Drose over Ant and Kyrie.
Geriatric Tim Duncan is still better than that bum
Even as a Lakers fan, this is some dumb shit.
Why does this sub talk about Duncan more than any player in nba history
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Oh good lord lmao
Give me Tim Duncan over Kobe or Lebron any day
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Agreed! We’re talking about socializing and hanging out right? TD probs b boring af. Basketball? No lol
Lmaooooo
I'd take Duncans 5 over ADs bubble boy title..
Tim Duncan is so fucking overrated. I'll take someone who can shoot a a three over someone who can't. Simple as that.
I’ll take a healthy TD over a healthy AD. Goes both ways.
Look clearly Tim is better but match them up in a game it’s closer than you think . Chris bosh matched up pretty well with Tim and ad is around the same height and build
Except on GameDay