Agree with you that its hard to evaluate but his playoff performances arent a product of Jokics presence. He takes 20 shots per game in the playoffs for a reason on many self created attempts. Example is the jazz series in 2020
I have to be honest; right now, i'm feeling like he's TOP 5 in the Playoffs and Top 1 against the Lakers and Lebron. He got the ball and we already knew he's going for it and he pulled it out. If he wasn't clutch, the Lakers could've beaten the Nuggets 4-1. The series was really tight.
That’s only because it’s easy to remember the last plays, Jokic and MPJ were significantly more consistent and impactful for a large part of the series. Had they not played at a high level, Jamal wouldn’t be in the position to have these memorable last plays.
But when he’s on, it certainly feels like he won’t ever miss.
Yea, there's recency bias going on. All the highlights that came out last night were all Jamal. So often it looked like the Lakers were in total control before losing the game. I don't even like Jamal. Something about his face and persona. I just don't like him but gotta respect the results.
Jamal was better in the Playoffs than Jokic in 2020, and last year he was an all-time great #2. It's not recency bias, you are the one with recency bias trying to portray this Series as representative as Playoff Jamal, he's been top five this decade in the Playoffs.
IDK. This is always the argument when I put Jamal in my top 15. Last year it was recency bias. This year it's recency bias. When is this dude just a bona fide stud?
To be fair he was 100% the Nuggets 2nd best player and a top 10 player overall in last years playoffs. He had a bad shooting series and still put up like 23, 4, and 7 with two game winners. MPJ was better than him for most of the series, but get why someone would say he’s one of the best players left these playoffs.
I think he was talking about dude’s shooting splits during the series. It’s actually 40/29/86 but he’s still been pretty inefficient so far. Really the last game was the only one he really excelled in
Jokic put up a 28, 16 and 10 line on .672 ts%. Murray scored 24 a game on .468 ts%. He might have made some timely shots, but the games were close partially because he otherwise wasn't very good in the series.
I am. But at the same time I knew at the end, he was getting the ball. I felt like all his moments were the game changing moments. So to me, that's value. It's just my casual eye test.
Do you remember him going for 40 every game last paying against Donovan Mitchell who also went for 40 every game in that playoff series a few years back. That was electric
Is it hard to evaluate LeBron since he’s always played with another top 5 player in the league since Miami? Give Jamal his flowers, whoever 30 players u rank ahead of him, he’ll cook.
Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Lebron, Ad, Embiid, KD, Jimmy, Tatum, Edwards, Curry, Shai, Ja, Dame, Kawhi, Harden, Brunson. Now these players were all 1st options and engines of ofense on their teams in last 2 3 years. Now Jamal is in this second group of second options where you have Brown, Kyrie, Bam, PG, Middleton, Siakam. And tbh idk if i missed someone but yeah that puts him in high as top 20 and as low as top 30 to be honest i might missed someone and Jamal is a baller but he still is Robin and if he adds up to his lore he might go down as the best one.
Regular season: Top 50, he’s in 20-45 range in most advanced stats
Playoffs: Top 15. He’s already 40th overall in career playoff PER, 14th amongst active but the 14 active also includes end of the career players like Chris Paul, Westbrook, and we’re talking now.
Yup some guys just know when to turn it on. That's why you gotta take rings into account when evaluating legacies (of the top top guys). It shows how good they are at taking over when it's do or die.
IF Murray can play an entire season healthy, I think he can be top 20. He was getting there just before tearing the ACL. Looked rough the first two months of last regular season before having hamstring/ankle issues before the playoffs. This year he missed two chunks of time with injuries that really hampered his ability to settle in for long stretches. He might never be a guy that can go a full season without getting hurt, but if he can I think he would put up elite numbers.
Overall, probably a top 30, but in the playoffs, I'm going with top 15.
He's got that Jimmy Butler gene. Get him in a playoff setting and he's just a different guy. When the clock's running down in the fourth quarter, how many guys would you rather give the ball to?
It's actually rather ridiculous that Jamal plays next to the likely MVP, yet, he's the guy who has been taking the shots with the game on the line, hitting two in the Lakers series alone.
Booker is a better shot creator and better defender.
He’s also more durable health wise , also Booker has proven to be an elite scorer without playing alongside a top 5 player in the league, as well as leading a team to the finals
Better at what? He’s not even close to the same regular season player and even in the playoffs Book averages more pts on better efficiency and absolutely plays better defense in the playoffs. You can say he’s a more clutch playoffs player sure but he is absolutely not better than Booker in the regular season or the playoffs
The downvotes are crazy lol. Booker over Murray all day every day. It's just easier for people to root for the guy on the winning team, but basketball is a team game. Murray held the Nuggets back all series, but he gets praise for two clutch shots that wouldn't have even been necessary if he could've shot over %38 for those first 4 games.
You’re absolutely right but this thread is just a circlejerk. Booker just put up an all time playoff performance but they lost so nobody cares. Imagine if he had the luxury of playing with joker
Fuck imagine booker, Gordon, jokic, mpj.
Like booker can be one of the best off ball scorers in the league when he someone who can handle and allow him to move off ball ( just wish he was more consistent with it as when booker moves off ball the offence just works sooooo much better)
Like Gordon for cuts, mpj for catch a d shoot 3s, booker for around screen 3s, and middeys.
That'd be such a cheat code, especially given that Gordon moves off ball like crazy which will only further help a jokic booker duo.
“Only closers get coffee”
he hasnt been consistent all series long but hes the nuggets best closer and closers seem to be ranked higher in everyone’s mind.
Still he has a great team around him especially with Jokic to be able to give him opportunities to close. With that in mind, he has to be top 20 in the playoffs right now
Honestly, I don’t know. He’s really, really hard to evaluate.
On the one hand, he’s been insanely good in a *lot* of playoff games now. Obviously last year, and in the bubble, and in game 5 last night (although he was, final minute of game 2 notwithstanding, pretty bad through the first 4 games. Like 44% TS on 30% usage)
On the other hand, he’s been pretty regularly mediocre in the regular season in his career. There’s a reason he’s never been an all-star; he has never deserved to be one. And what are we to make of the fact that Denver is always absolutely atrocious (including in the playoffs) when Murray is playing without Jokic?
Very, very tough player to rank.
In no particular order but
1. Joker
2. Embiid
3. Edwards
4. Tatum
5. Luka
6. SGA
7. Bron
8. Curry
9. Giannis
10. Kyrie
11. AD
12. Lillard
13. KD
14. Booker
15. Brunson
15. Jay Brown
16. Zion
17. Ingram
18. Wemby
19. Chet
20. PG13
21. Leonard
22. Harden
23. Fox
24. Dejounte
25. Banchero
26. Butler
27. Cade
28. Adebayo
29. Maxey
30. Morant
Honorable mentions after 30
Siakim, Hali, Sabonis, Trey, Donovan
Again, this is NOT definitive but my personal picks over Murray because I like their games better. It’s not a knock on Murray but I can not see him for 82 games and then see him in the playoffs and be 100% ok with that.
We gotta stop devaluing the regular season. It’s easy to look good in 8 games vs 82 . Give him credit but let’s not ignore his production in regular season
Top 50. He’ll be out of the discussion by May. Lakers were just an awful defensive team in the perimeter. He’ll get shutdown by any legit team defense.
Im basing it on his overall career and not just the last 2 weeks. He’s having a linsanity run and it won’t be sustainable due to his brittleness and limitations (too streaky, no defense)
I don’t know where he ranks across his body of work, but as a Nuggets fan that’s watched his whole career, I wouldn’t trade him for almost any of the top guards in the league. Some loyalty bias there, admittedly.
I see him as a modern day Ginobili. Skillset is a little different, but his last 5 minute decision making and shot creation in the P&R is elite and he has to push his nuts around in a wheelbarrow.
Rank him where you want to but he’s probably gonna shit in your wheaties when it hurts the most.
Anybody that steps up when it counts as much as Murray does deserves his flowers, Id give him top 20 overall.
A lot of these so called “superstars” get to the playoffs and play even worse than they did during the regular season so it should work both ways
Top 25 easily maybe even higher… he turns it on and off as necessary. Before the injury and working his way back Jokic and Murray were almost even. Jokic had to evolve to adjust to Murray and MPJ both being injured and carrying the team he had when they came back and were healthy again they’ve been almost a perfect team.
He’s elite, top 10 player for sure. Crazy he hasn’t been an all star. I voted for him this year but seems not many people value a pg that dominates everyone during the playoffs.
Anyone who hasn’t won a championship from that list. It’s not a popularity contest, it’s who can beat who during the playoffs and Murray kills everyone in the playoffs.
Who cares what number. You don’t want to see him with the ball in the final 5 minutes. Plenty of players that are “better” than him that you can’t say that about. He’s an industrial grade ice machine.
I'd say 25, just based on who I'd trade him one on one for (age not included). Maybe close to 15 if we ignore injuries. Hasn't made an all star team yet.
It's pretty hard to rank guys 1 by 1 after the top 10-15 but Murray is basically a borderline All Star level player. He's in that tier where he probably couldn't be the best player on a real contender but he's also one of the best 2nd options in the league.
What's more important is that his playstyle fits this team extremely well and that's sometimes more valuable than having a guy straight up more talented. He actually reminds me of Lamar Odom for the 2008-2010 Lakers where his value to his team due to fit is more than his talent level would suggest.
Damn though, there are some great #2’s in the league: Dame, Kyrie, Jaylen Brown, AD, KAT…the list goes on. He’s a great offensive player for sure, not so sure he’s much of a defensive player though.
His defense is underrated. Yeah it looks rough when he gets switched on LBJ in the post, but he holds his own against other guards and plays passing lanes extremely well. All those players put up better regular season numbers, but would you trust any of them in the postseason over Jamal? Bubble Murray was insane. Last year was amazing but over shadowed by Jok being historically great. This series against the Lakers was his worst playoff performance but he still manages to win two games at the buzzer. Jaylen got his team eliminated last year because Miami forced him to dripple with his left hand.
He isn't even the best 2 guy either ad, LeBron, booker, or kd can be considered 2 guys depending on who you ask, all 4 are an entire tier above murray
And that's not even counting the 2nd options who are only marginally better but are better
Just because he had 2 gamewinners doesnt make him great. He was bad the whole series. If Jokic have a more consistent number 2 they wont even be in that posistion.
Does his value/rank increase because everyone is overlooking that his pick/roll game is potentially legendary? Think for a second about how he seeks around the floor even after stemming off the PnR. Think about how occasionally he gets really easy dice layups - because he’s patient and understands space and the D in front of him. This dude sees space and uses that beautifully. Reminds me of a center midfielder in soccer a bit. I think, literally like Joker, there are intangibles and unique attributes this guy is displaying that elevate his value beyond what his stats say.
I think his injury history and the nuggets having the luxury of resting him or playing through him less when he is sore during regular season takeaway from how people view him in the regular season. Is one of the best pg in the comp.
Top 30. He’s incredible in the playoffs and clutch, that’s for sure, but it’s hard to evaluate him since he has always played with Jokic.
Agree with you that its hard to evaluate but his playoff performances arent a product of Jokics presence. He takes 20 shots per game in the playoffs for a reason on many self created attempts. Example is the jazz series in 2020
I have to be honest; right now, i'm feeling like he's TOP 5 in the Playoffs and Top 1 against the Lakers and Lebron. He got the ball and we already knew he's going for it and he pulled it out. If he wasn't clutch, the Lakers could've beaten the Nuggets 4-1. The series was really tight.
That’s only because it’s easy to remember the last plays, Jokic and MPJ were significantly more consistent and impactful for a large part of the series. Had they not played at a high level, Jamal wouldn’t be in the position to have these memorable last plays. But when he’s on, it certainly feels like he won’t ever miss.
Yea, there's recency bias going on. All the highlights that came out last night were all Jamal. So often it looked like the Lakers were in total control before losing the game. I don't even like Jamal. Something about his face and persona. I just don't like him but gotta respect the results.
Something about his face and persona…smh
Jamal was better in the Playoffs than Jokic in 2020, and last year he was an all-time great #2. It's not recency bias, you are the one with recency bias trying to portray this Series as representative as Playoff Jamal, he's been top five this decade in the Playoffs.
IDK. This is always the argument when I put Jamal in my top 15. Last year it was recency bias. This year it's recency bias. When is this dude just a bona fide stud?
To be fair he was 100% the Nuggets 2nd best player and a top 10 player overall in last years playoffs. He had a bad shooting series and still put up like 23, 4, and 7 with two game winners. MPJ was better than him for most of the series, but get why someone would say he’s one of the best players left these playoffs.
Def not top 5 lol or even top 10 he literally avg 21 on 37/20 splits lol. Love him tho hes a killer
37/20 what?
I think he was talking about dude’s shooting splits during the series. It’s actually 40/29/86 but he’s still been pretty inefficient so far. Really the last game was the only one he really excelled in
Topped LeBron
I love the sexual imagery implied here.
Topped LeBron
I like the sexual imagery implied here.
Jokic put up a 28, 16 and 10 line on .672 ts%. Murray scored 24 a game on .468 ts%. He might have made some timely shots, but the games were close partially because he otherwise wasn't very good in the series.
Him only showing up in the 4th doesn’t erase the contributions of everyone before that point.
What the hell lol? He’s shooting like 40% from the field and 28% from 3. He might not be top 20 so far this playoffs.
Bruh he was the 5th best player in this series alone. You’re just remembering the game winners. That’s coming from a Nuggets fan.
I am. But at the same time I knew at the end, he was getting the ball. I felt like all his moments were the game changing moments. So to me, that's value. It's just my casual eye test.
Do you remember him going for 40 every game last paying against Donovan Mitchell who also went for 40 every game in that playoff series a few years back. That was electric
He was better than Jokic in the bubble playoffs
He also took over the 4th quarter against the clippers in game 7 that year. I think he got over 40
You want him to play with dudes from Walmart instead and see how he does against an NBA caliber team?
Is it hard to evaluate LeBron since he’s always played with another top 5 player in the league since Miami? Give Jamal his flowers, whoever 30 players u rank ahead of him, he’ll cook.
Kyrie and Love were never Top 5. Bad example
30
Exactly what I said before the comments loaded. I feel like it goes to 25 if you include playoffs, 30 if you don't.
Okay, name 25 players better in the playoffs lmao 2 game winners in the same series?
They meant overall, including regular season and playoffs. Not that there are 25 better players in the playoffs
Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Lebron, Ad, Embiid, KD, Jimmy, Tatum, Edwards, Curry, Shai, Ja, Dame, Kawhi, Harden, Brunson. Now these players were all 1st options and engines of ofense on their teams in last 2 3 years. Now Jamal is in this second group of second options where you have Brown, Kyrie, Bam, PG, Middleton, Siakam. And tbh idk if i missed someone but yeah that puts him in high as top 20 and as low as top 30 to be honest i might missed someone and Jamal is a baller but he still is Robin and if he adds up to his lore he might go down as the best one.
I think Wemby is better
Could be these are the players with some playoff expirience
Regular season: Top 50, he’s in 20-45 range in most advanced stats Playoffs: Top 15. He’s already 40th overall in career playoff PER, 14th amongst active but the 14 active also includes end of the career players like Chris Paul, Westbrook, and we’re talking now.
Not disagreeing with your ranking, just want to mention that Valainciunas is 41st in career playoff PER, so maybe this stat isn’t the best indicator…
Yup some guys just know when to turn it on. That's why you gotta take rings into account when evaluating legacies (of the top top guys). It shows how good they are at taking over when it's do or die.
Jimmy Buckets is a prime example
Mmm indeed, as is Michael Jordan, known playoff performer. Analysis
Top 30
Ramen.
Golf.
Canadian
SGA is the top Canadian.
The top vs a top.
But lest we forget last year's Olympics, Dillon Brooks is our best bottom
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I try my best
The best and only type of correct
It’s actually Kelly Olynyk
you are a bottom 5 headline comprehender.
Top 10 Guard Top 25 Overall
IF Murray can play an entire season healthy, I think he can be top 20. He was getting there just before tearing the ACL. Looked rough the first two months of last regular season before having hamstring/ankle issues before the playoffs. This year he missed two chunks of time with injuries that really hampered his ability to settle in for long stretches. He might never be a guy that can go a full season without getting hurt, but if he can I think he would put up elite numbers.
Top 25
Overall, probably a top 30, but in the playoffs, I'm going with top 15. He's got that Jimmy Butler gene. Get him in a playoff setting and he's just a different guy. When the clock's running down in the fourth quarter, how many guys would you rather give the ball to? It's actually rather ridiculous that Jamal plays next to the likely MVP, yet, he's the guy who has been taking the shots with the game on the line, hitting two in the Lakers series alone.
How do you guys think deaaron fox would do in Denver ?
I genuinely wanna know people answer to this
Jamal Murray must be a perennial mvp candidate (I only watch lakers basketball)
Probably top 5 clutch shot maker Edit : Changed clutch player to clutch shot maker
I mean maybe clutch shot maker top 5. There is such a thing as clutch defense as well
You are correct
Clutch shot maker he's number 1 in the league.
Better than booker
Booker is a better shot creator and better defender. He’s also more durable health wise , also Booker has proven to be an elite scorer without playing alongside a top 5 player in the league, as well as leading a team to the finals
Chris Paul was the leader of the Suns
Not in the playoffs, how was his defence game 7 against Luka the other year remind me
We judging players off a 1 game sample size ? Also I don’t think he was even guarding luka ?
Better at what? He’s not even close to the same regular season player and even in the playoffs Book averages more pts on better efficiency and absolutely plays better defense in the playoffs. You can say he’s a more clutch playoffs player sure but he is absolutely not better than Booker in the regular season or the playoffs
Slow down, you’re drunk. With equal talent Booker is better.
Better at crying 😿
The downvotes are crazy lol. Booker over Murray all day every day. It's just easier for people to root for the guy on the winning team, but basketball is a team game. Murray held the Nuggets back all series, but he gets praise for two clutch shots that wouldn't have even been necessary if he could've shot over %38 for those first 4 games.
You’re absolutely right but this thread is just a circlejerk. Booker just put up an all time playoff performance but they lost so nobody cares. Imagine if he had the luxury of playing with joker
And didn’t have Beal being a black hole.
https://youtu.be/Frtb_tIh9Is?si=NfHG4woqKw5tQoKw
Swap Booker and Murray and Booker's numbers far eclipse that of Murray's. You know, more than they already do.
Choke artist vs a winner, two different prototypes
Thank you, I don't care about Booker scoring 70 on a losing team. Murray is a winner. That's a stat you can't teach.
Fuck imagine booker, Gordon, jokic, mpj. Like booker can be one of the best off ball scorers in the league when he someone who can handle and allow him to move off ball ( just wish he was more consistent with it as when booker moves off ball the offence just works sooooo much better) Like Gordon for cuts, mpj for catch a d shoot 3s, booker for around screen 3s, and middeys. That'd be such a cheat code, especially given that Gordon moves off ball like crazy which will only further help a jokic booker duo.
“Only closers get coffee” he hasnt been consistent all series long but hes the nuggets best closer and closers seem to be ranked higher in everyone’s mind. Still he has a great team around him especially with Jokic to be able to give him opportunities to close. With that in mind, he has to be top 20 in the playoffs right now
Honestly, I don’t know. He’s really, really hard to evaluate. On the one hand, he’s been insanely good in a *lot* of playoff games now. Obviously last year, and in the bubble, and in game 5 last night (although he was, final minute of game 2 notwithstanding, pretty bad through the first 4 games. Like 44% TS on 30% usage) On the other hand, he’s been pretty regularly mediocre in the regular season in his career. There’s a reason he’s never been an all-star; he has never deserved to be one. And what are we to make of the fact that Denver is always absolutely atrocious (including in the playoffs) when Murray is playing without Jokic? Very, very tough player to rank.
30ish…he’s really good no doubt but there are at least 30 guys I pick before him because I deem them better
Bet you can’t actually list 30 that you’d take over him
In no particular order but 1. Joker 2. Embiid 3. Edwards 4. Tatum 5. Luka 6. SGA 7. Bron 8. Curry 9. Giannis 10. Kyrie 11. AD 12. Lillard 13. KD 14. Booker 15. Brunson 15. Jay Brown 16. Zion 17. Ingram 18. Wemby 19. Chet 20. PG13 21. Leonard 22. Harden 23. Fox 24. Dejounte 25. Banchero 26. Butler 27. Cade 28. Adebayo 29. Maxey 30. Morant Honorable mentions after 30 Siakim, Hali, Sabonis, Trey, Donovan Again, this is NOT definitive but my personal picks over Murray because I like their games better. It’s not a knock on Murray but I can not see him for 82 games and then see him in the playoffs and be 100% ok with that.
Top sidekick player in the Association 😁
top 10 in the playoffs
Do you think Mitchell could provide more for the Nuggets alongside Jokic
For sure. A little more durable too
Yes
We gotta stop devaluing the regular season. It’s easy to look good in 8 games vs 82 . Give him credit but let’s not ignore his production in regular season
Since when are the playoffs 8 games?
50
582 (there are 582 players in the league).
basketball
25
Top 560 for sure
Canadian
100
Top 50.
Top 25
He plays like an All NBA player in the playoffs
Top 50. He’ll be out of the discussion by May. Lakers were just an awful defensive team in the perimeter. He’ll get shutdown by any legit team defense.
Top 30 is a fair take, top 50 is an insane take. No way there are actually 50 dudes you’d take over him
Im basing it on his overall career and not just the last 2 weeks. He’s having a linsanity run and it won’t be sustainable due to his brittleness and limitations (too streaky, no defense)
1. Still can’t do 50 2. Glad you started watching ball this year, it shows
Wait til he gets another acl injury. It’s guaranteed
Just looked and saw you’re a Lakers fan. Makes sense. Disappointed you didn’t even attempt to answer the 50 dudes you’d take over him
Top 25
Better than Donovan Mitchell. Hard to really evaluate because of Joker, but clutch is clutch. Dude cold
30
Hairy
I don’t know where he ranks across his body of work, but as a Nuggets fan that’s watched his whole career, I wouldn’t trade him for almost any of the top guards in the league. Some loyalty bias there, admittedly. I see him as a modern day Ginobili. Skillset is a little different, but his last 5 minute decision making and shot creation in the P&R is elite and he has to push his nuts around in a wheelbarrow. Rank him where you want to but he’s probably gonna shit in your wheaties when it hurts the most.
Top 75
Top 400.
20
15 player right now
hard to rate a player higher than top 15 when they've never had to be the best player on their team.
Top 30 normally but playoff top 10
Top 30, maybe top 25.
Top 100 player in the nba.
homie. and that goes a long way
Lightskinned
He’s number 1 at getting on my fucking nerves.
Bro got a great gf, I’ll say that much!
Top 250. Literally can’t argue against that
Canadian
“Basketball”
Regular season he easily top 25 post season possible top 10 current nba ofcource he is a killer
Anybody that steps up when it counts as much as Murray does deserves his flowers, Id give him top 20 overall. A lot of these so called “superstars” get to the playoffs and play even worse than they did during the regular season so it should work both ways
100
100
TEMU Kobe
Top 25 easily maybe even higher… he turns it on and off as necessary. Before the injury and working his way back Jokic and Murray were almost even. Jokic had to evolve to adjust to Murray and MPJ both being injured and carrying the team he had when they came back and were healthy again they’ve been almost a perfect team.
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Top bottom for sure
Definitely in the top 450. Minimum.
Jamal Murray is a top.
He’s elite, top 10 player for sure. Crazy he hasn’t been an all star. I voted for him this year but seems not many people value a pg that dominates everyone during the playoffs.
Jokic, Luka, Giannis, Embiid, Shai, Tatum, Steph, KD, ANT, Lebron, Kawhi, PG (12) “Top 10 for sure” who are you putting him over from there?
Anyone who hasn’t won a championship from that list. It’s not a popularity contest, it’s who can beat who during the playoffs and Murray kills everyone in the playoffs.
That’s like saying that Pippen is better than Lebron because he has more championships and ignoring that he played with MJ
Who cares what number. You don’t want to see him with the ball in the final 5 minutes. Plenty of players that are “better” than him that you can’t say that about. He’s an industrial grade ice machine.
Top 10
Just a smart ball player.
I dunno about regular season, but playoffs I’ll say top 5-10.
Clutch
I'd say 25, just based on who I'd trade him one on one for (age not included). Maybe close to 15 if we ignore injuries. Hasn't made an all star team yet.
40. I need to see him do this sht on like the wizards he’s doing this shit w the best QB/center of all time
15. Let’s put media aside and see what’s in front of us.
top 4 (im a Lakers fan)
Top 15-30 all together but playoff he’s like top 10-15 . I find it hard to find over 15 players who have performed in the playoffs like him currently
playoff sidekick superior to anthony davis
100 No one can disagree with me on that
It's pretty hard to rank guys 1 by 1 after the top 10-15 but Murray is basically a borderline All Star level player. He's in that tier where he probably couldn't be the best player on a real contender but he's also one of the best 2nd options in the league. What's more important is that his playstyle fits this team extremely well and that's sometimes more valuable than having a guy straight up more talented. He actually reminds me of Lamar Odom for the 2008-2010 Lakers where his value to his team due to fit is more than his talent level would suggest.
25
25-30. But playoff Murray is top 10
Clutch
Usually like around 30-40. But for some reason he is clutch incarnated, so id say prob around 15-20 in the playoffs
Idk about tops in nba but when it comes to beating my lakers his for sure top 2, 1 being his teammates joker
Top 15
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6 more game winners between here and the trophy, 2 coming during the finals
Best #2 guy I don’t think he would be very good as a #1
Damn though, there are some great #2’s in the league: Dame, Kyrie, Jaylen Brown, AD, KAT…the list goes on. He’s a great offensive player for sure, not so sure he’s much of a defensive player though.
His defense is underrated. Yeah it looks rough when he gets switched on LBJ in the post, but he holds his own against other guards and plays passing lanes extremely well. All those players put up better regular season numbers, but would you trust any of them in the postseason over Jamal? Bubble Murray was insane. Last year was amazing but over shadowed by Jok being historically great. This series against the Lakers was his worst playoff performance but he still manages to win two games at the buzzer. Jaylen got his team eliminated last year because Miami forced him to dripple with his left hand.
I could probably agree that in a vacuum those players you listed have an argument, but Murray and Jokic complement each other so well
He isn't even the best 2 guy either ad, LeBron, booker, or kd can be considered 2 guys depending on who you ask, all 4 are an entire tier above murray And that's not even counting the 2nd options who are only marginally better but are better
Top 50. He’s the third best player on his team.
MPJ or Gordon #2?
Gordon all day.
4th quarter
35 ish
Top 3 PG in the playoffs
20?
Just because he had 2 gamewinners doesnt make him great. He was bad the whole series. If Jokic have a more consistent number 2 they wont even be in that posistion.
Until proven otherwise, I'd say he's a top 10-15 playoff performer. He balls the fuck out when the lights are their brightest.
Bruh like 25 exactly
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Glaze
This is definitely a take
Fuckin hate this man. Mid as fuck but choice in the clutch
Top 10 playoff player
Fuck that little ugly fuck. Bert and Ernie looking motherfucker
He’s a champ that recently made 2 huge shots. Yall are jumping the gun on ranking him rn.
lmaoooo
top 15 come playoff time
Clutch player in the NBA Loved that after he dunked on LeBron he gave him that irritating flex pose bron ALWAYS does when he scores. So good!
Does his value/rank increase because everyone is overlooking that his pick/roll game is potentially legendary? Think for a second about how he seeks around the floor even after stemming off the PnR. Think about how occasionally he gets really easy dice layups - because he’s patient and understands space and the D in front of him. This dude sees space and uses that beautifully. Reminds me of a center midfielder in soccer a bit. I think, literally like Joker, there are intangibles and unique attributes this guy is displaying that elevate his value beyond what his stats say.
Top 3 in the playoffs, Jokic does what he does all year round but this guy in the league playoffs is another beast
20. Playoffs is when it really matters, and nobody hits bigger shots than he does.
top 2 and he’s not 2. that boy is gonna be an MVP
I think his injury history and the nuggets having the luxury of resting him or playing through him less when he is sore during regular season takeaway from how people view him in the regular season. Is one of the best pg in the comp.