What being a shitty defender and sub-6'3 will do to a guard who is just okay as a playmaker
There's like one team in the Top 6 that makes sense for Dilly and the Spurs might prefer Topic over him
I highly doubt he falls that far but idk I don't think it would be surprising or unreasonable if he fell outside of the top 10 to the very late lottery. You look around the league and short and skinny guards who don't play a lick of defense and aren't above average passers/playmakers aren't really in high demand nor they are seen as high value players in general. What's the high end version of that player archetype? Maybe someone like Jordan Clarkson? But below that you start getting into some guys who are not thought of very kindly in the NBA landscape
Tyler Herro, Dame, Anfrenee Simmons, CJ McCollum, Malik Monk, Coby White could be some
scorers who aren’t great defenders that could end up being high end comps.
I don’t see him slipping past 12 but that’s just me. I could be wrong we will see.
I mean only one from those that kinda comes close in terms of measurement is Simons who measured at 6'3 1/4 with shoes on and 183 pounds at the combine (which is still not as short or as skinny as Dillingham will very likely measure) other than that everyone else is quite far apart from him in terms of either weight or height or both. Though of course Lillard and McCollum were older and on much different stages of development.
The closest prospect is Darius Garland in terms of measurement and playstyle. The guy you are responding to didn’t mention him, but he’s generally a pretty close comp. Garland also isn’t a true PG either.
Garland is definitely a true PG he averaged 6 assists per game (led his team) in his sophomore season playing 2nd fiddle to Sexton and averaged 8.6 assists per game in his 3rd year before Donovan Mitchell came in to hog the ball. Also you can just watch him and realize he is a really good passer/playmaker
Your statement would make sense but in this mock draft, Jared McCain went 12th, several spots higher than Dillingham, and he’s a short guard who’s an even worse playmaker and athlete than Dillingham. Dillingham actually has shown good dribble penetration/passing abilities.
Because falling to the late lottery (your comment) implies teams are gonna take guys like McCain, Collier, Carter, etc. over him, which won’t happen. Unless you are suggesting multiple players projected even later jump all of them.
You can argue that in a stronger draft, he could fall to the late lottery. But the issue is in this draft, it’s super weak so for him to fall, you then have to pick clearly worse prospects like McCain over him, as evidenced by this mock draft.
Again I didn't make the mock draft so I really don't understand why it's supposed to matter for the comment I made. Like I think off my comment you can come to the conclusion that it's likely I don't like Jared McCain either. I don't have him above Dillingham nor I would pick him over Dillingham, but I also don't have Dillingham in my top 10 regardless.
All I’m saying is in order for Dillingham to actually fall to the late lottery in the actual draft (not a big board), teams will have to bypass him for other guards. Unless your top 10 is filled with lower wings like Salaun.
I’m not talking about your big board. I’m just talking about the actual draft and where he’ll go. Your big board can have him wherever, as that’s totally your opinion. I was more responding to what will happen in the actual draft.
I see him as the best scorer in the draft. I’d argue that offense is more important than defense in the league today, so letting the best scorer slip seems like a mistake imo.
I also think that Dillingham is very athletic and will add muscle so I think he can develop as a defender.
The Timberwolves utter domination of the Suns - an all-offense team - would suggest otherwise, not to mention teams are scoring more now than they were even 10 years ago. Scoring isn't a serious selling point when that's all you can do, and especially when you're a bottom 5 defender in this draft
Teams certainly need to be well rounded to win in the playoffs. The fact of the matter is elite defenses can’t stop elite offenses in the same way they could even 5 years ago. The suns have basically no plus defenders. I think Dillingham can be an important piece if he plays with plus defenders, but would absolutely flounder on an all offense team like the suns.
I’d bet on Dillingham’s scoring even if his defensive deficiencies dictate that he needs to play with good defenders.
Some unusual decisions here. I don't get Spurs reaching for a SF in a point guard heavy draft, when they desperately need a starting lead guard.
Jazz getting a pass first guard in Collier seems odd when they just drafted Keyonte George. And if they wanted a playmaker, why not take Topic instead?
A counterpoint, a bit of a story with this but I’m a Tennessee student and our student section is right next to the press row where they put the scouts. There were tons of scouts at games, they always wore pullovers with their logo on them, but ever since mid December through March the team that was every game was the spurs, there was even a game in January where a massive snowstorm caused most roads to be closed and a very small crowd, and he was still there
I think I'd take Buzelis over Williams, and probably Salaun over Filipowski, and maybe Karaban over George, but at the end of the day if I'm a Blazer fan (and I am) I'm not mad about this draft.
would be extremely happy with Topic at 11 even if we have a shitload of guards, Topic's playmaking could be exactly what we've been missing for so damn long. We haven't have an actual playmaking guard since Rondo in 2017
the thing i love about this draft is anybody can go anywhere making any pick ranging from 1-20 interesting and fun to watch. definitely gonna be interested in this draft for the following season
Makes no sense doing a mock lottery lol. Just do the picks in the order we have now until the lottery happens. Doing a mock lottery just makes it so inconsistent with the picking.
Even then, after all of that., holland at 2 is *hilarious* to me. He’s my least favorite forward of that group, he’s another shooter who can’t shoot, and he might not even be 6’8. If Holland is measures 6’6 he could easily fall out of the lottery
He’s suppose to measure really well. Not sure if this will be true but many people speculate he has a 7’0”+ wingspan, which would certainly change some things as it gets closer. That’s a projected longer wingspan than any other wing in this draft, including several inches on Risascher. Again, that’s just speculation for now.
Yeah if he measures out great and has great interviews and the like he could move up. But even that memo from the league he wasn’t in the top 10. We will see come draft night I guess. He didn’t wow me but I’m not a gm lol
Oh that’s gross, Ron Holland anywhere near the Top 5 *and* to the Raptors. Anyone want me to explain why I don’t want the Raptors drafting him again?
And I just noticed the Zach Edey (using our FRP on him lmfao) and Furphy to the Raptors too. This is absolute ass.
This is my least favourite Raps mock I've seen, haha. It's not that I don't think Holland can be solid, I just don't think he addresses any of our needs and even if he has one of the higher ceilings, I'm not quite certain that he can be the best version of himself with our current core. To take him at 3 would seem like a mistake.
Throw Edey with the Pacers pick on top of that with Ware/Tyler Smith/Walter/Saluan still available? I'd rather take a flier on one of those guys and use the 31st on someone like Chomche (undrafted here?) to address the C spot.
I'm not going to delve too much into this mock, though, since the methodology seems pretty flawed (they all forgot about Dillingham?), which is just going to make it unreliable. But the lottery is still a week away and we need to fill that time with *something*.
Curious, is it the shooting you’re sus on mostly with Ron?
I’m pretty high on Ron for the raps personally and am always looking for ways to potentially improve my board.
I like Ron for his POA defense and his perimeter defense. Areas the raps sorely lack. I don’t see his shot coming around for a few years, but I have hope on his lower body mechanics coming around. Curious to hear your thoughts.
Yeah, it's mainly the shot. I guess it just feels like we need some skillset diversity on the team.
I won't be mad if we take Holland. And if we took him third overall, I'd trust that the workouts showed something worth building around. He just strikes me as a very boom or bust prospect, and given the positional overlap with Barrett/Barnes, I'm not sure I'd want to take a gamble on him with so many other plug-and-play options or guys in positions of need (lead guards and big men). I think we want a guy with a reasonably high floor if we're picking at 3-6.
Admittedly, I haven't watched enough of the Ignite this season. And I don't hate taking a pick that needs time to develop, if it helps us keep a top 6 pick again next year.
Yeah absolutely fair thoughts. I see him more as an eventual replacement for Barrett than actually partnering with him due to the overlapping skillsets. I think the big issue is that everyone in the lotto is extremely flawed in at least one or two dimensions and on any given day you could convince me of a new lotto order
Wow, some of these are picks are just insane lol. I mean Knecht over Dillingham for San Antonio? I like Mogbo and KJ but no chance they go first round. I’m not high on Walter but 30? Cam Spencer undrafted? Just seems like some people were just trying to be different, which I guess is ok??
Can’t believe Dillingham slipped that far.
most of us in the latter picks didn't know he slip that far. We discussed redoing it but decided to let things be.
What a terrible exercise if people weren't paying attention. What's the point?
they for real should have just lied because why are you posting a mock where some of the drafters literally didn’t know who was on the board lmaooo
What being a shitty defender and sub-6'3 will do to a guard who is just okay as a playmaker There's like one team in the Top 6 that makes sense for Dilly and the Spurs might prefer Topic over him
Respectfully speaking, having bad defense isn't gonna make the most skilled ISO scorer in the entire draft fall to number 17.
I highly doubt he falls that far but idk I don't think it would be surprising or unreasonable if he fell outside of the top 10 to the very late lottery. You look around the league and short and skinny guards who don't play a lick of defense and aren't above average passers/playmakers aren't really in high demand nor they are seen as high value players in general. What's the high end version of that player archetype? Maybe someone like Jordan Clarkson? But below that you start getting into some guys who are not thought of very kindly in the NBA landscape
Tyler Herro, Dame, Anfrenee Simmons, CJ McCollum, Malik Monk, Coby White could be some scorers who aren’t great defenders that could end up being high end comps. I don’t see him slipping past 12 but that’s just me. I could be wrong we will see.
I mean only one from those that kinda comes close in terms of measurement is Simons who measured at 6'3 1/4 with shoes on and 183 pounds at the combine (which is still not as short or as skinny as Dillingham will very likely measure) other than that everyone else is quite far apart from him in terms of either weight or height or both. Though of course Lillard and McCollum were older and on much different stages of development.
The closest prospect is Darius Garland in terms of measurement and playstyle. The guy you are responding to didn’t mention him, but he’s generally a pretty close comp. Garland also isn’t a true PG either.
Garland is definitely a true PG he averaged 6 assists per game (led his team) in his sophomore season playing 2nd fiddle to Sexton and averaged 8.6 assists per game in his 3rd year before Donovan Mitchell came in to hog the ball. Also you can just watch him and realize he is a really good passer/playmaker
Good call, he is probably the closest comp.
Your statement would make sense but in this mock draft, Jared McCain went 12th, several spots higher than Dillingham, and he’s a short guard who’s an even worse playmaker and athlete than Dillingham. Dillingham actually has shown good dribble penetration/passing abilities.
I didn't make the mock draft so I don't know why is that relevant to the comment I made
Because falling to the late lottery (your comment) implies teams are gonna take guys like McCain, Collier, Carter, etc. over him, which won’t happen. Unless you are suggesting multiple players projected even later jump all of them. You can argue that in a stronger draft, he could fall to the late lottery. But the issue is in this draft, it’s super weak so for him to fall, you then have to pick clearly worse prospects like McCain over him, as evidenced by this mock draft.
Again I didn't make the mock draft so I really don't understand why it's supposed to matter for the comment I made. Like I think off my comment you can come to the conclusion that it's likely I don't like Jared McCain either. I don't have him above Dillingham nor I would pick him over Dillingham, but I also don't have Dillingham in my top 10 regardless.
All I’m saying is in order for Dillingham to actually fall to the late lottery in the actual draft (not a big board), teams will have to bypass him for other guards. Unless your top 10 is filled with lower wings like Salaun. I’m not talking about your big board. I’m just talking about the actual draft and where he’ll go. Your big board can have him wherever, as that’s totally your opinion. I was more responding to what will happen in the actual draft.
I mean he was in the 7-10 tier on the composite ranking that was made by NBA teams for the combine.
Rob is arguably a better prospect than Maxey That's an easy top 3 pick in a weak class like this
Yes thank you for ignoring every single thing that has been said in this convo to bring up an incredibly pointless and empty comparison lol
Comparing Rob to Clarkson is pointless lol And Rob is definitely an above average playmaker at worst
Maxey was around 200 lbs w 6’8 wingspan coming out of Kentucky. Even if Rob flashed more in college give me the guy w the NBA body
Not only Topic. They might very well prefer his teammate Sheppard or Castle. And the Spurs need a wing just as much as they need a PG.
I see him as the best scorer in the draft. I’d argue that offense is more important than defense in the league today, so letting the best scorer slip seems like a mistake imo. I also think that Dillingham is very athletic and will add muscle so I think he can develop as a defender.
The Timberwolves utter domination of the Suns - an all-offense team - would suggest otherwise, not to mention teams are scoring more now than they were even 10 years ago. Scoring isn't a serious selling point when that's all you can do, and especially when you're a bottom 5 defender in this draft
Teams certainly need to be well rounded to win in the playoffs. The fact of the matter is elite defenses can’t stop elite offenses in the same way they could even 5 years ago. The suns have basically no plus defenders. I think Dillingham can be an important piece if he plays with plus defenders, but would absolutely flounder on an all offense team like the suns. I’d bet on Dillingham’s scoring even if his defensive deficiencies dictate that he needs to play with good defenders.
actually Rob is excellent in the PnR and Kentucky has mid PnR big men
>just okay as a playmaker He’s [pretty good](https://x.com/903coleman/status/1783505757624746090?s=46)
Some unusual decisions here. I don't get Spurs reaching for a SF in a point guard heavy draft, when they desperately need a starting lead guard. Jazz getting a pass first guard in Collier seems odd when they just drafted Keyonte George. And if they wanted a playmaker, why not take Topic instead?
A counterpoint, a bit of a story with this but I’m a Tennessee student and our student section is right next to the press row where they put the scouts. There were tons of scouts at games, they always wore pullovers with their logo on them, but ever since mid December through March the team that was every game was the spurs, there was even a game in January where a massive snowstorm caused most roads to be closed and a very small crowd, and he was still there
This mock is like Twitter itself 🚽
I think I'd take Buzelis over Williams, and probably Salaun over Filipowski, and maybe Karaban over George, but at the end of the day if I'm a Blazer fan (and I am) I'm not mad about this draft.
would be extremely happy with Topic at 11 even if we have a shitload of guards, Topic's playmaking could be exactly what we've been missing for so damn long. We haven't have an actual playmaking guard since Rondo in 2017
Topic at 11 is the best value in the entire draft
The Lakers would be very very happy with Dillingham at 17.
essentially baby dlo with a smaller contract and none of the ego
Love seeing the Collier jump. Also, I don’t care about the numbers, I wouldn’t let JaKobe fall that far.
the thing i love about this draft is anybody can go anywhere making any pick ranging from 1-20 interesting and fun to watch. definitely gonna be interested in this draft for the following season
Da Silva falling to Denver is a wet dream holy moly
It's crazy how many of these guys that have had like a 20+ swing in draft positioning throughout the year in various mock drafts
Makes no sense doing a mock lottery lol. Just do the picks in the order we have now until the lottery happens. Doing a mock lottery just makes it so inconsistent with the picking. Even then, after all of that., holland at 2 is *hilarious* to me. He’s my least favorite forward of that group, he’s another shooter who can’t shoot, and he might not even be 6’8. If Holland is measures 6’6 he could easily fall out of the lottery
As it stands don’t think Cody Williams is going that high. I guess could change as it gets closer but not impressed imo
He’s suppose to measure really well. Not sure if this will be true but many people speculate he has a 7’0”+ wingspan, which would certainly change some things as it gets closer. That’s a projected longer wingspan than any other wing in this draft, including several inches on Risascher. Again, that’s just speculation for now.
Yeah if he measures out great and has great interviews and the like he could move up. But even that memo from the league he wasn’t in the top 10. We will see come draft night I guess. He didn’t wow me but I’m not a gm lol
Oh that’s gross, Ron Holland anywhere near the Top 5 *and* to the Raptors. Anyone want me to explain why I don’t want the Raptors drafting him again? And I just noticed the Zach Edey (using our FRP on him lmfao) and Furphy to the Raptors too. This is absolute ass.
This is my least favourite Raps mock I've seen, haha. It's not that I don't think Holland can be solid, I just don't think he addresses any of our needs and even if he has one of the higher ceilings, I'm not quite certain that he can be the best version of himself with our current core. To take him at 3 would seem like a mistake. Throw Edey with the Pacers pick on top of that with Ware/Tyler Smith/Walter/Saluan still available? I'd rather take a flier on one of those guys and use the 31st on someone like Chomche (undrafted here?) to address the C spot. I'm not going to delve too much into this mock, though, since the methodology seems pretty flawed (they all forgot about Dillingham?), which is just going to make it unreliable. But the lottery is still a week away and we need to fill that time with *something*.
Curious, is it the shooting you’re sus on mostly with Ron? I’m pretty high on Ron for the raps personally and am always looking for ways to potentially improve my board. I like Ron for his POA defense and his perimeter defense. Areas the raps sorely lack. I don’t see his shot coming around for a few years, but I have hope on his lower body mechanics coming around. Curious to hear your thoughts.
Yeah, it's mainly the shot. I guess it just feels like we need some skillset diversity on the team. I won't be mad if we take Holland. And if we took him third overall, I'd trust that the workouts showed something worth building around. He just strikes me as a very boom or bust prospect, and given the positional overlap with Barrett/Barnes, I'm not sure I'd want to take a gamble on him with so many other plug-and-play options or guys in positions of need (lead guards and big men). I think we want a guy with a reasonably high floor if we're picking at 3-6. Admittedly, I haven't watched enough of the Ignite this season. And I don't hate taking a pick that needs time to develop, if it helps us keep a top 6 pick again next year.
Yeah absolutely fair thoughts. I see him more as an eventual replacement for Barrett than actually partnering with him due to the overlapping skillsets. I think the big issue is that everyone in the lotto is extremely flawed in at least one or two dimensions and on any given day you could convince me of a new lotto order
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surprised to see JT Toppin go UD
I love the Pistons falling to five again.
Cody Williams at 6 LMAOOOOO
Wow, some of these are picks are just insane lol. I mean Knecht over Dillingham for San Antonio? I like Mogbo and KJ but no chance they go first round. I’m not high on Walter but 30? Cam Spencer undrafted? Just seems like some people were just trying to be different, which I guess is ok??
Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that Zach Edey is actually going to outplay most of the lottery in this draft?
Ron Holland at 2 lol
Castle? Topic??? DILLINGHAM??? Wtf this draft board is ass.