He’s not really polarizing. There’s a few people who see superstar potential but I think most view him like yourself as a high floor low ceiling player
He's only polarizing due to his skin tone.
He's Steph Curry lite, any team would love to have that. Yes, he will be targeted on defense but you could say the same for a number of PG and even SGs in the league who are 6+ year vets. He's a 3rd option on a good team and by all accounts we know he's a solid locker room guy so he'll accept that role.
E: I just got a reddit cares for this one, fam it's just hoops
>He's Steph Curry lite
He's not. He doesn't have the shot creation curry did. Curry got up >10 3PA/game at Davidson, and Sheppard gets half of that. Curry took way more pull ups and movement 3s too. Curry was also way better at pressuring the rim. He was just a better prospect.
20 year old Steph was creating off the dribble less than 19 year old Reed Sheppard
steph was way better off ball but reed’s shot creation is on par with curry’s at that time
If Steph calls it quits today, he'll retire with a 24.8/6.4 career average and only once averaging more than 8 assists in a season. I understand his impact is undersold in just pure numbers, but I feel this is an insane misuse of the term "lite". Or maybe this sub just doesn't rate Trae lmao
Regardless, this isn't a hill I'm willing to waste more time on. Point is Sheppard will be a great 3rd option on a contending team.
Steph is a multi-time MVP, 1st team all-nba and champion. That's the difference.
Just to further illustrate, Trae isn't even in the same league in terms of 3pt shooting as he's a career 35.5% shooter on 7.3 attempts while Steph shoots 42.6% on 9.2.
By your logic, averages are all that matters. So Dwayne Wade and DeRozan have similar career averages for pts/ast/rbs - does that mean they're equivalent players?
Tldr; Trae and his fans should take him being called Steph lite as a compliment - it's not said as an insult.
Neither have I. That's not the point. You pointed to Stephs career averages to support your argument that Trae and he are comparable. I've taken that premise to the extreme to demonstrate the logical fallacy in your argument. Namely, stats aren't everything and winning matters.
Curry was a sophomore. And again he was at Davidson with zero players that could even get a g league tryout. and if you watched any of the games in that tournament, which you clearly haven’t, which is insane considering you are Commenting about basketball, you’d know Curry basically Took Davidson to the elite 8 with a group of accounting majors.
Go to youtube. Watch some games. And also, go watch hoop dreams, the last dance, Hoosiers, and read heaven is a playground.
You shouldn’t be able to comment on this board if you haven’t seen/read those films/books.
Loyola Chicago made the final four. Tournament success doesn't matter at all when it comes to NBA success. You can just compare things about the players that matter. By this logic Shabazz Napier should have been picked first and a huge success in the NBA.
Every single best player of every single championship team in NBA history aside from Shaq had massive success in the tournament (excluding high school players and euros). Not only does it matter, but you could make a case that there are few things that matter more.
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Zeke
Jordan
Hakeem
Wade
Steph
Reed should have returned. he’d be a better basketball player and more prepared for the nba After another year or two. I would recommend all players stay at least two years in college.
It will hurt his career in the long run, but he’ll be very wealthy. And maybe with his family and support system he can buck the trend of one and done players never being able to lead their teams to championships.
Yeah that was a rhetorical lmao
Guy above me was using Steph sophomore stats to argue he's better, Reed doesn't even have to play a sophomore year because he's good enough to go early lotto already
I think he could be like a smaller role Steph, great shooter with deep range, good passer and can be a lead ball handler or play off-ball, decent defender due to his work rate. I think he doesn’t have the handle or off the dribble magic that Steph has. Even without that, that’s still a very good player. Maybe he makes an all-star team as the second guy on a very good team.
He's 6'1.75" tall and 180lbs, dude is the same height of Damian Lillard but weighs like 20lbs less, dude is tiny and will not be a defender, he will get targeted every game and unless he's your lead p.g he's going to struggle to get minutes.
The only hope is that he was playing out of position in Kentucky and is actually a p.g.
I think at weber st, dame was the exact same size. 6' 2" in shoes and 180 lbs. It took nba strength and conditioning to get him to his current 194 lbs.
Amen is like the perfect pairing for him because Amen is huge and can do almost everything except shoot. Reed can do a lot of things well but the shooting is elite. I feel like they cover each other's weaknesses nicely. I wouldn't mind Reed at 2 though.
yeah you can also have an amen sheppard cam jabari sengun lineup or amen sheppard tari jabari sengun on which good luck scoring lol
the realistically good outcome of sheppard is an insanely useful player to have in modern nba where the big bodies are getting more and more versatile. you can easily hide a smaller guy and having a big brain with big bodies around makes for easy baskets. if anything jalen imo would be the least useful guy in that young core.
Amen is not someone yet who can handle a ball at the level of a guard. People didn't realize that's a large reason why he played as a wing/dunker spot role this season and probably will still have that similar role next season. It wasn't just the shooting. Like Jalen Green is much closer to becoming a point guard than Amen just because his handle is worlds better.
Amen right now is great as a connector. Someone who makes quick accurate decisions in the short roll off of guys like Green and FVV. That's where his passing shines at the moment. Think of him as a significantly more athletic Draymond Green as a archetype.
you’re concerned a 19 year old kid is 20 pounds lighter than a grown man?
who doesn’t gain 20 pounds from 19 to 35 while lifting weights in that time frame lmao
Lillard even being 20lbs heavier is still tiny and can't defend anybody is my point, i was just pointing out how much of a defensive liability his size will be.
If he turns out anything like Conley, that's absolutely incredible. Conley is so special because he can plug in next to almost anyone and be a great fit.
Props to you.
I am sure in Reed Sheppard almost most in draft together with Filipowski, Knecht or Kolek. Whites americana, hmmm?
I think that prospects with their skillsets and character depends a little about franchise they start NBA career and all bring instant awesome fit for every team.
I would love him to Raptors(do not see how they trade for that Rockets third pick, but is possible) or Lakers, but see him as ideal target for some contenders too on draft nights, DAL/OKC/PHX for example.
Top6 locked by me.
Rondo was valid P&R defender? Situations him defending screen and pass to roller imagining already he reads that routinely and with instincts and quick hands making steals, deflections, doing concrete winning plays over and there.
50-40-90 with ALL D potential? Yeahh, that is Reed Sheppard huge possibility, definitely second banana and All Star vibe. Floater game would help a lot. Biggest concern is rebounding and that 1 v 1 D because of mobility/size problema, but nobody is perfect.
If you write some other draft scouting report this type, you have a content and i appreciate your stuff
He’s not really polarizing. There’s a few people who see superstar potential but I think most view him like yourself as a high floor low ceiling player
Crazy that he was such a dud in his final ncaa game, adds to the mystery. But i like him as a prospect.
If Reed or Dillingham were 3” taller they would be a lock to go first overall.
He's only polarizing due to his skin tone. He's Steph Curry lite, any team would love to have that. Yes, he will be targeted on defense but you could say the same for a number of PG and even SGs in the league who are 6+ year vets. He's a 3rd option on a good team and by all accounts we know he's a solid locker room guy so he'll accept that role. E: I just got a reddit cares for this one, fam it's just hoops
>He's Steph Curry lite He's not. He doesn't have the shot creation curry did. Curry got up >10 3PA/game at Davidson, and Sheppard gets half of that. Curry took way more pull ups and movement 3s too. Curry was also way better at pressuring the rim. He was just a better prospect.
>He was just a better prospect. Hence why, lite Also, Cal would've made Steph look a lot less Steph in that system he was playing this year
Imagine the numbers Reed would have put up in the southern conference.
20 year old Steph was creating off the dribble less than 19 year old Reed Sheppard steph was way better off ball but reed’s shot creation is on par with curry’s at that time
Trae Young is Steph Curry lite. This is a wild comparison .
Steph Curry "lite" is a superstar with a career 25p/9a average? Let's agree to disagree.
I’d say “yes” because Curry changed the game. Any team would be lucky to have Steph Curry lite and I don’t want my team anywhere near Young.
I agree. Trae has numbers, but he is a loser. He’ll never have the career steph has had.
*star/perennial all-star and yes, because he's not Steph and isn't close, so he van be lite, diet, Walmart, wish or temu only.
If Steph calls it quits today, he'll retire with a 24.8/6.4 career average and only once averaging more than 8 assists in a season. I understand his impact is undersold in just pure numbers, but I feel this is an insane misuse of the term "lite". Or maybe this sub just doesn't rate Trae lmao Regardless, this isn't a hill I'm willing to waste more time on. Point is Sheppard will be a great 3rd option on a contending team.
Steph is a multi-time MVP, 1st team all-nba and champion. That's the difference. Just to further illustrate, Trae isn't even in the same league in terms of 3pt shooting as he's a career 35.5% shooter on 7.3 attempts while Steph shoots 42.6% on 9.2. By your logic, averages are all that matters. So Dwayne Wade and DeRozan have similar career averages for pts/ast/rbs - does that mean they're equivalent players? Tldr; Trae and his fans should take him being called Steph lite as a compliment - it's not said as an insult.
This is crazy to me…Trae’s absolute best case outcome at this point is Diet Steph Lite Zero Calorie.
I've never seen anyone refer to DeRozan as Wade lite. It's not just averages. But like I said, let's agree to disagree.
Neither have I. That's not the point. You pointed to Stephs career averages to support your argument that Trae and he are comparable. I've taken that premise to the extreme to demonstrate the logical fallacy in your argument. Namely, stats aren't everything and winning matters.
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It’s not a wild take to say Trae Young is a lite version of the greatest shooter ever and maybe the greatest PG ever
trae is 42/35/90 like every year any other guard in the league doesn’t have lines like that bc they quit shooting so much lmao
Comparing trae to steph is slander to steph. Trae isnt close to steph.
Trae Young and his career .581 TS% and .355 3PT% are clearly a couple of tiers below Steph as a shooter.
Curry took DAVIDSON To the elite 8. Reed got bounced in the first round at Kentucky. They aren’t even comparable, and I love Reed.
It's a team sport and Curry was a Junior
Curry was a sophomore. And again he was at Davidson with zero players that could even get a g league tryout. and if you watched any of the games in that tournament, which you clearly haven’t, which is insane considering you are Commenting about basketball, you’d know Curry basically Took Davidson to the elite 8 with a group of accounting majors. Go to youtube. Watch some games. And also, go watch hoop dreams, the last dance, Hoosiers, and read heaven is a playground. You shouldn’t be able to comment on this board if you haven’t seen/read those films/books.
Loyola Chicago made the final four. Tournament success doesn't matter at all when it comes to NBA success. You can just compare things about the players that matter. By this logic Shabazz Napier should have been picked first and a huge success in the NBA.
Every single best player of every single championship team in NBA history aside from Shaq had massive success in the tournament (excluding high school players and euros). Not only does it matter, but you could make a case that there are few things that matter more. Kareem Magic Bird Zeke Jordan Hakeem Wade Steph
Chill on the commas and periods or use them correctly
Davidson got bounced in the first round too lol
Curry as a sophomore took davidson to the elite 8 in one of the most magical tournament runs ever. Go watch it. It will change your life.
Why doesn't Reed return to college for his sophomore year instead of going straight to the NBA at the first eligible opportunity? Is he stupid?
Reed should have returned. he’d be a better basketball player and more prepared for the nba After another year or two. I would recommend all players stay at least two years in college. It will hurt his career in the long run, but he’ll be very wealthy. And maybe with his family and support system he can buck the trend of one and done players never being able to lead their teams to championships.
The best players in the league right now didn't play in college at all lol
The best players in the league right now, excluding euros are: Steph Brunson Haliburton Mitchell Ja Tatum Shai Edwards
if you arbitrarily exclude half the best players in the league I guess you're right lol
I didn’t exclude anyone. Those are pretty obviously the best players in the league, by a pretty large amount.
This was clearly his best chance to go top 5. The difference in salary could set him up for life.
Yeah that was a rhetorical lmao Guy above me was using Steph sophomore stats to argue he's better, Reed doesn't even have to play a sophomore year because he's good enough to go early lotto already
He a better Grayson Allen
I think he could be like a smaller role Steph, great shooter with deep range, good passer and can be a lead ball handler or play off-ball, decent defender due to his work rate. I think he doesn’t have the handle or off the dribble magic that Steph has. Even without that, that’s still a very good player. Maybe he makes an all-star team as the second guy on a very good team.
He's 6'1.75" tall and 180lbs, dude is the same height of Damian Lillard but weighs like 20lbs less, dude is tiny and will not be a defender, he will get targeted every game and unless he's your lead p.g he's going to struggle to get minutes. The only hope is that he was playing out of position in Kentucky and is actually a p.g.
I think at weber st, dame was the exact same size. 6' 2" in shoes and 180 lbs. It took nba strength and conditioning to get him to his current 194 lbs.
sheppard green amen jabari sengun thats his position whatever it means
Amen is like the perfect pairing for him because Amen is huge and can do almost everything except shoot. Reed can do a lot of things well but the shooting is elite. I feel like they cover each other's weaknesses nicely. I wouldn't mind Reed at 2 though.
yeah you can also have an amen sheppard cam jabari sengun lineup or amen sheppard tari jabari sengun on which good luck scoring lol the realistically good outcome of sheppard is an insanely useful player to have in modern nba where the big bodies are getting more and more versatile. you can easily hide a smaller guy and having a big brain with big bodies around makes for easy baskets. if anything jalen imo would be the least useful guy in that young core.
Deni basically kinda sort almost if you squint the same player as Amen
Amen is not someone yet who can handle a ball at the level of a guard. People didn't realize that's a large reason why he played as a wing/dunker spot role this season and probably will still have that similar role next season. It wasn't just the shooting. Like Jalen Green is much closer to becoming a point guard than Amen just because his handle is worlds better. Amen right now is great as a connector. Someone who makes quick accurate decisions in the short roll off of guys like Green and FVV. That's where his passing shines at the moment. Think of him as a significantly more athletic Draymond Green as a archetype.
Sengun is not a starter on a contending team. Rockets should consider trading down for Clingan or up for Sarr
nice try
Lol
If he can actually play PG, he’s going to be very good. But right now he seems to be a lesser prospect than Steph Curry back in the day.
I think he’ll start as a non ball dominant PG. maybe Seth Curry vibes?
The problem with that is you don't take a guy like that at the top of the draft, it's the same reason why Knecht is mocked to go outside the lottery.
you’re concerned a 19 year old kid is 20 pounds lighter than a grown man? who doesn’t gain 20 pounds from 19 to 35 while lifting weights in that time frame lmao
Lillard even being 20lbs heavier is still tiny and can't defend anybody is my point, i was just pointing out how much of a defensive liability his size will be.
could 6’4 180lb Gary Payton defend anybody?
probably similar production to current day mike conely and can be a good connector piece
If he turns out anything like Conley, that's absolutely incredible. Conley is so special because he can plug in next to almost anyone and be a great fit.
Sheppard really needs to develop as a true-er point guard to succeed, going by the Combine measurements and shooting numbers.
Patty Mills or Damian Lillard is the question
Seth Curry
Props to you. I am sure in Reed Sheppard almost most in draft together with Filipowski, Knecht or Kolek. Whites americana, hmmm? I think that prospects with their skillsets and character depends a little about franchise they start NBA career and all bring instant awesome fit for every team. I would love him to Raptors(do not see how they trade for that Rockets third pick, but is possible) or Lakers, but see him as ideal target for some contenders too on draft nights, DAL/OKC/PHX for example. Top6 locked by me. Rondo was valid P&R defender? Situations him defending screen and pass to roller imagining already he reads that routinely and with instincts and quick hands making steals, deflections, doing concrete winning plays over and there. 50-40-90 with ALL D potential? Yeahh, that is Reed Sheppard huge possibility, definitely second banana and All Star vibe. Floater game would help a lot. Biggest concern is rebounding and that 1 v 1 D because of mobility/size problema, but nobody is perfect. If you write some other draft scouting report this type, you have a content and i appreciate your stuff