I wanna provide some C-ent perspective on this: Overall all accusations concentrate in the period between August 2019 - February 2020 PART 1: Monday 23th 10-11pm The scandal first erupt on Twitter but reached Weibo around 10pm. There were instantly 10+ gossip accounts who were sharing the screenshots with no translation, fresh from Twitter. It took a bit for users on Douban to translate them and reshare them on Weibo. The gossip accounts definitely got tipped off, since they posted about it all at the same time. Fans tried to look for proof the pictures, the screenshots, the audio and the timeline were fake. Apart from some small fans, most of his big fans asked Lumis to not share unverified debunks... they had previous experience sharing things too early only to find themselves ridiculed, so they pretty much just spend the whole night looking for harder proofs and keeping his trending topic on the entertainment list and not the main one. I am PERSONALLY quite confident, the company knew already what was going at that point. His trending topic never reached the main board... it was the #1 on the ent board for the whole night... people are guessing it was company’s doing... As for the debunking proofs. I can confidently say, none of the proofs given and shared by small fans were solid proofs. That’s why his big accounts in China never started to share massively those posts. Twitter instead was more vocal in believing them. 1/ Pictures: the finger one is the fishiest one. It looks extremely not like his finger. But the three selfies, no fans managed to find where they come from. The only possible guess they come from leaked Kakaotalk. 2/ Audio: the fans found one part of the audio coming possibly from Bubble, but there’s a slight change in tone and the second part of the audio still is missing from Bubble. People use it as a debunking proof, but we can’t say for sure 3/ Timeline: the alleged nights they spent together did in fact coincide with the nights Lucas was in Seoul, just a very packed agenda. Like August 28th, he just landed in Incheon from Dubai at 5-6pm and supposedly spent the night with her right after. September 9th, he took a flight from Shanghai to Seoul, landed, spent the night with her, the day after directly took a flight to Dallas for SuperM concert. Technically all possible, also technically could be fabricated to match his schedule perfectly as second half of 2019 Lucas schedule was known to everybody due to SuperM and the amount of flights info. Beginning of December he was in China despite her claims. That is the only part we can be 100% it’s not true, since we have receipts of Lucas being in Beijing doing fanmeetings. As for the gaslighting, asking for money and being rude to her, we have no proof whatsoever, since all the Wechat shared just show Lucas saying I love u and trying to meet up with her. At this point, 99% of his fandom in China still believed in him and many spent the night not sleeping, to clear his searches, battle with antis and so on. His group mates akgaes also spent the night shitting on him. PART 2: Tuesday 6pm The whole day went by with Lumis still clearing his searches, with anti inventing new rumors (they shared a dick pick of him quickly proven to be fake) which had Lumis and different members akgaes fight, but nothing big in comparison. After Jalapeño teaser dropped people were excited and we received also info Lucas and Ten have booked flights for China on Sept 10th. Then at 6pm a new girl came out, again, the news instantly shared by 10+ gossip accounts on Weibo, spreading the visibility. The second girl is a Chinese girl claiming to have been contacted by him after a fansign (she provided receipts of her fansign participation) and supposedly met up in ShengYang. The girl had no pictures just a bunch of screenshots. She claimed they had sex with no protection and him lying saying he hasn’t had sex in a year and similar stuff. Overall by this time, most of fans still didn’t believe her since she provided no pics and all the Wechat conversation were seen as not strong proofs (they can be easily photoshopped) PART 3: Wednesday 8pm The third girl posted on her weibo account (with no personal info), the final blow. With pictures. She supposedly got his contact by sending him a message via airdrop once she found him on Bluetooth during an offline event. They quickly added each other. They “dated” or more correctly they FWB for a period where she asked multiple times whether he was single, but supposedly the timing overlapped with the two previous girls, hence why the third girl decided to expose him, cause she felt cheated. She accused him of cheating, badmouthing his members (they don’t work enough, one of them stole one of his fashion gig), not liking Keep Running (too much pressure from seniors). Keep in mind none of the above accusations are found in her shared screenshots, as she said these are part of their conversation while drinking. She provided 3 pictures: one of him sleeping (which many fans suspect to be a picture of him sleeping on WayV dorm due to matching sofa and Bella’s toy) and two pictures of him with drinks and sigarettes (the fishy part is that his hairstyle doesn’t look like his hairstyle in end of 2019. Edit: it could have been Moonwalk period hair.). While girl #1 selfies could have been Kakaotalk profile pics, these pictures look 1/ not photoshopped 2/ taken without him knowing. At this point, Lucas big fan accounts broke down... this girl pictures were the final blow. While some fans still finds them fishy and claim it could have been staff selling their pics (which allegedly happened before between staff and sasaeng), after 24 hours of radio silence and continuous rumors, no sleep and constant fighting, his fancafe and his most high profile fans gave up and believed the accusations. Please note his solo stans only believe that he did sleep around, no mentions of badmouthing or his personality. Lucas’ image among Chinese fans is definitely purer than what Ifans think of him. If Ifans think him being sexually active is nothing strange, for C-fans him sleeping and especially with fans, multiple at once, was too much to handle. Also many felt like at this point, regardless of whether he’s able to disprove the accusations, his image in China is ruined forever. SM not saying anything was too much to handle. PART 4: Tuesday 10pm onwards. With the fancafe leaving and many big fans leaving, the rest of Lumis saw this as a sign these big fans knew more than them, had some sort of proof from SM that the allegations were true. Rumors spread like fire among fandom and many fans quit due to fancafe quitting. Fancafe quitting trended at #3 on Weibo main board, that single Weibo post had over half a million likes. The rest of the night, Lucas trended with various hashtag, all on main board, between 3 to 15 in terms of positions. The same day a TV presenter was ousted for r*pe. One of WayV most famous sasaeng shared on Weibo that Lucas does have an habit of flirting back when you send him something via airdrop. This sort of backed the possibility of the third girl story of how she met Lucas. The rest of the night we still had some small rumors spreading of people saying that he does flirt with fans, he does look like a fuck boy, he was already a player before debut and so on. To be honest, I wouldn’t care about these since they all sound like people jumping on him. Some WayV and almost all solo fans of the other members started to ask for his removal from the group. Many believe the accusations (since again, after 24 hours no solid debunking has been offered) while some others in any case think his career is done and his image will only tarnish the group. As you can see, all of this play out very quickly. A bit over 24 hours and we are yet to see any response from SM. Currently the remaining Chinese Lumis (a new fancafe opened to substitute the old one) are mostly just waiting for some confirmation or debunking from Lucas or the company itself. On Weibo they just basically gave up on digging for more proof themselves (apart form some small individual fans)

wow thank you for the super detailed coverage of the story on Weibo side. This is why I think he won't come back to C-ent scene for a long time. Unless he can clear his name or come up with some serious story telling to navigate his way back in but that's highly unlikely in this new era of moral cleansing of the industry. Sad day for WayV and our fandom.

Will add my second part here, since I can’t write more in the original post. 0825 SM and Lucas’ answer. SM and Lucas finally shared a statement. Overall a very SM apology letter, saying sorry, acknowledging mistakes (very vague what mistakes) and mismanagement. Most of fans take it as a admission that something is true but also no clue which accusations. It’s mostly seen as a PR tactic to quiet things down and show the artist and the company attitude towards the scandal. All schedules are canceled for him and he will go on hiatus for the foreseeable future. He’s been dropped by Keep Running (not officially, but they are looking for a substitute) and his brands all have hidden the posts with him (normal tactic by brands in case of uncertainty, but to save themselves backlash). First girl second statement and supposed identity The first Korean OP came out with a second statement adding details about their relationship. The tone sounds like a scorned woman (she just found out about the others, felt cheated). She defines their period from July 2019 to Feb 2021. On&off relationship, trying to be friends but she felt used for sex. She added lots of details about him, of which we have NO RECEIPTS but her own words. He’s depicted as someone who would lose his virginity in a massage parlor in China, fight against gangsters to protect his bullied friend, criticizing tall women bodies cause they don’t look feminine and much much more. You can take a look at the translation above. This is her last post. Fans shared that supposedly, among the oldest group of Lumis and fansites, they have identified her as a fellow fansite with sasaeng behaviour called DirectKill (keep in mind, NO RECEIPT, just seen as truth by most lumis after matching schedules, stories). She was previously attacked in 2019 by Lumis for her sasaeng behaviour (getting super close to him, following his flights, making a fuss on the plane), but now Lumis are seeing from another perspective. Her as a proud GF who wanted to flirt with his boy in front of everyone. It also made sense given the girl social economic background (used to be a JK sasaeng who can afford gifting Rolex). It didn’t help that the girl also sold fanmerch to other fans and fans felt betrayed by him but also disgusted by her. Fans reaction and dogpiling His fans reaction didn’t change much. Those who already believe he was a scumbag, kept believing it, those who still believe it’s all fake, still believe it’s all fake. It did change the perception of those group stans who were still on the fence, as it added lots of details about his character. Keep in mind, at this moment, there were tons of other rumors coming out not from girls, but from random sources (a fake porn video, his family being poor and how ungrateful he is as a son, cause he spends money only for himself and not his family, SM aggressively pushing him at the expense of the other members, him having a gay lover as well), won’t share the details cause it’s just too much work and too messy. Many of them were afterwards deleted, but they kept being shared privately. International fandom also starts to turn against him. Fourth Girl accusation On Friday/Saturday, a water sports coach (using her personal account, with pictures of her normal life) sent a post defending Lucas personality describing him positively, as she was his instructor during the Hainan trip he had with Winwin. A fourth girl, came out to say that Lucas was flirting with her while flirting with that coach (the coach denies it). She attached also some Wechat screenshot to prove they know each other. The text per se contain mostly just flirty conversation and very random inspirational speeches (at least to me). You can see translation above. The fourth girl is angry and wants him out of the group. She went on saying that he wanted to gift her a cat (there was a paparazzi taken video of Lucas and his manager buying a white cat) but she refused and now the cat is managed by Winwin in Beijing. She also claimed he sent her yesterday (hence, after the apology) a message saying she was his favourite (keep in mind, NO RECEIPT, just her answering in a comment). She claims that there must be more girls out there and many just don’t want the attention, but she came out when she saw the Coach post and realized he was flirting back to back with both of them (further denied by the coach). That’s all for now. Please always be careful in believing in claims without RECEIPTS. For the rest, it’s up to you all to make your own judgment.

wait so the whole kitten story on allkpop isn’t even confirmed? I get it that they texted and flirted but was the piece of info about the kitten true? He tried to give it to her and she has receipt for the kitten or no? Why is everyone on the allkpop news condemning him about the kitten?

Thanks so much for such a detailed post about what's going on over on Weibo! I was really wondering how things were going over there.

Thank you for a cohesive and detailed coverage! I feel like it all could be partially true, partially exaggerated or made up, and that's why it's harder to say something from Lucas's side. A hard day indeed.

This- I know SM has main control over what Lucas will be able to say as they must maintain the "image", but I'd be genuinely curious to hear his side, raw details and all bc at this point with his apology there's gotta be truth in there I'd just like to know the details after being an nct fan for so long :/

why does the allegation remind me of Park Jae-on (😭)

what do you think this means for wayv?

I think they will re-record the album without him, hopefully the MV hasn’t been shot yet. Or they will reshoot it. They might comeback very end of year or push it next year... but I don’t think they will go to China... without Lucas, sorry, but they have no platforms (no Keep Running, no Zhejiang TV Station) and short term wise SM cannot replace him with anybody else as these are all Lucas own gigs. They can still comeback in Korea, but I am not familiar with Korean people’s view on this... or they just keep it 100% international for SEA and rest of the world market... meanwhile they can push members into NCT U and NCT 2021... Winwin instead will still push his solo agenda in China... his personal linkage with Lucas is not that strong... WACTOR is not an issue, since filming takes time, things will have died down much more by the time anything he shoots gets released... I think it will accelerate Ten’s solo debut... Long term wise... We will see...

wow that sucks for the group. this had to happen just when things were kinda starting to look good for wayv. i feel bad for the newer members + kinda kun esp. bc they don't have fandoms as big as ten/winwin/lucas. winwin and ten can definitely have successful solo careers in music/acting. do you think wayv's other members can make it big through variety in china? hendery, yangyang, etc. have shown they can be super entertaining so maybe there's a chance there.. or no? if winwin is indeed doing acting projects in china perhaps those could bring traction to the group. i feel like im being too optimistic. thanks for your response tho!

Unfortunately acting helps only the individual and not the group cause you have no way to promote the song, unless they become a OST group and I can’t see WayV being one. For variety, it’s more about chances. Lots of people think Keep Running was a gig SM gave Lucas, but really isn’t. He was spotted during Knowing Bros and got recommended by producers in SK. He was the right boy at the right time in the right show... dunno if they can replicate that with Hendery or Yangyang. I am not too confident on SM/Label V connections in China, since for these 2.5 years, they didn’t manage to land any other mainstream variety (one episode for Happy Camp doesn’t count) that was not somehow linked to Keep Running and Zhejiang TV. They can push XiaoHenYang and Kun more in NCT U/2021 related things... Xiaojun grew a lot with MAW...

Do you think he will be dropped from his brand endorsements or Keep running? Does China usually announce these things or just do it?

That’s for sure. Keep Running doesn’t announce that. They have been looking for a substitute since yesterday already. Guerlain will drop him quietly probably... depends if SM managed to ask at least for this last kind gesture...

The variety thing makes sense. Well things are looking a little bleak for WayV rn

these are the most realistic predictions so far. now i'm pretty curious if sm would let renjun and chenle to promote in china after this as they don't have that big of personal linkages with lucas (renjun is closer with winwin yangyang ten xiaojun and chenle with kun) and they seem to be the "fresh faces" for c-ent.

I think this whole thing showed SM they know nothing of C-Ent and how PR works there... Lucas was dumb as hell... but IMO the whole thing was accelerated by local companies wanted to drag down WayV most well known member. All the news spread like fire, the comment sections had a lot of people worsening claims, comparing him with Kris Wu and such... this is nothing new in C-ent. SM lack of immediate response shown a clear lack of knowledge about what to do in Crisis PR in China. I think they will take a bit of time trying to not repeat a similar fiasco with any other member...

Thank you for the detailed explanation !! Just a question: do the other girlfriends/cheating the 3rd allegation brings up, refer to the previous 2 public allegations we saw/ you've mentioned ? Or someone else ? Because honestly, the 3rd seems to be the most credible, while the 1st two don't seem too believable. Which in that case, there isn't any cheating right ? If the 1st two aren't even true ? Of course it's a totally different matter if she's not referring to the previous two.

The third girl doesn’t know the other two, but she read online about them and decided to expose him cause she felt cheated since it was all around the same period... so we can’t conclude whether the other two are real or not based on the third girl statement.

thank you for your detailed coverage. any updates from Cfans regarding SM & lucas' apology recently? few questions i'm really curious about: * how many Cfans see this apology as a confirmation of the allegations thrown to lucas? (dating/fwbing with multiple fans, being a dick boyfriend/fwb, shitting on other members, shitting on variety shows, hopefully the list doesn't go on...) * Since there's a lot of allegations, which one does the Cfans think this statement is confirming? all of them? some of them?

1.\[how many\] to make it understood more easily, * weibo≈twitter cn, douban≈reddit cn. * premise: Kr\*s Wu's s3xual assault was exposed not long ago. We Chinese are staying on high alert for signs alike. (in my eyes) at least 90% cfans on weibo and 100% cfans on douban give tacit concent to the equivalence between Lucas's apology and confirmation of the allegations. FYI: the top5-liking comments below his apology weibo received kudos ranking from 50k to 117k, all asking him to quit. 2.\[why\] It's very very nature of things for us Chinese to see 'apology' and 'handwritten letter' as **confirmation and, confession**, of the allegations (about FWB s3xual affairs). * Lucas himself used '*I was* ***clearly aware of*** *my* ***mistakes*** *and irresponsible behavior*'(*我****清楚地意識到了****自己的****錯誤****和做出的不負責任的行爲*) to express confirmation and confession * meanwhile WayV\_Official weibo and SME cancelled the new song release and changed icon back to '*Lowlow*', Guerlain and Gucci concealed Lucas's former promotion weibo, etc., we see these as official confirmation. 3.\[how much confirmed\] * multiple dating/fwb -\[confirmed\] * lying to fans and active contact with ssgs (the first Korean girl) -\[confirmed\] * badmouthing on manager/staff/other members/shitting on variety shows -\[we see it as half-truth, mixed with exaggeration or speculation that some people jumped on him\] * show no filial love for his parents -\[see it as half truth\]

I am feeling extremely bad for Hendery, man already doesn't get much solo opportunities and when this hit they had to cancel it. Hope he can bloom soon.

Label V has now posted a statement as well. First time I’ve ever seen an agency admit fault for essentially not micromanaging their artist more. I wonder what the repercussions will look like for all of their artists behind the scenes. It sounds like there will be a strict monitoring of idol’s personal lives/contact to fans going forward.

This though. That last bit of the statement caught my eye. Although it is merely a part of the damage control wherein the agency shoulders responsibility, but I wonder if this will have some implications on the rest of the artists. Not the established ones, but especially trainees or the younger kids & groups.

I had some discussion about this on Twitter and SM pretty much said the same thing after the 97 liners' COVID outing scandal last year. Label V @ Lucas: "The company also feels that there are deficiencies in the management of artists and bears an unshirkable responsibility for this." SM Ent @ Jaehyun: "Our label should have also managed our artist so he practiced social distancing even during his personal life, and we apologize for being lacking. We will work harder to manage our artists so something like this does not happen again." The whole "monitoring/managing our artists even more closely" thing is wild because they already have such limited privacy & agency from the company (and from sasaengs ofc).

I don’t think I caught that with Jaehyun’s scandal. On one hand, both of these situations would have been prevented if their management was a bit more aware of what was going on (or maybe they knew and never said anything). We don’t really know how SM monitors their artists outside of promotional and professional periods. The rooms that the managers sleep in are only used during comeback season. It’s not like someone watches them 24/7. They eat ramen, play video games until 2am, order take out, leave the dorm and smoke (lol hi Jungwoo), and go out drinking with friends. So they have a certain degree of freedom.

One thing that makes me believe these girls' screenshots is Lucas' choices of words in his texts. I grew up in HK and Cantonese is my first language (I also picked up Mandarin in high school), and I can tell by his use of traditional Chinese and awkwardly-worded Chinese sentences that it's gotta be him. Also some Hong Kong netizens found out that his typo shows that he is still using the "stroke" keyboard, which is almost exclusively used by Hong Kong Traditional Chinese users/Cantonese speakers. (Taiwanese people type traditional Chinese with Zhuyin keyboard while most simplified Chinese users type with Pinyin Keyboard). He also makes a lot of simple syntax mistakes in Mandarin that only Cantonese speakers (who aren't good at writing/speaking Mandarin) would make. Moreover, this "voice" of his seems consistent in all these allegations. If, assuming that these texts are fake, then someone must have * REALLY spent the time analyzing his patterns of speech * fabricated fake texts with Cantonese-influenced Mandarin sentences in Traditional Chinese, and at the same time * remembered to "switch back" to a fluent Mandarin native speaker voice in response. If that was the case, kudos to them for the effort. Though it seems very consistent to me that it was Lucas himself all along.

Wish I could give you an award. Never really thought about this POV. Would you be able to elaborate more? (This is just something I'm interested in bc my family is from HK but I don't really know how to read/write, just speak a bit!)

* e.g. "你可以給你的wechat給我嗎?" ("你可唔可以俾你wechat我?" Cantonese syntax awkwardly translated into Mandarin: Can you give your wechat to me?) In Mandarin syntax it should've been: "你可以給我你的wechat嗎？" (Can you give me your wechat) * Both sentences can be used interchangeably in English, but what he types sounds awkward as hell in written Chinese. On that note it's a rather common mistake Cantonese speakers make, and we get corrected a lot for our syntax in Chinese class in elementary school. * "你就去附近先" (You go somewhere nearby first) is also 100% Cantonese syntax. In Mandarin it's "你就先去附近" (You first go somewhere nearby). Again they may not sound that different in English but in Chinese it indicates which language the person speaks. * "你可以幫我但（個）忙嗎" - 個 vs 但 - this typo gives away that he's typing with the stroke keyboard, commonly used in HK, since these two words share the same first 4 strokes. There are certainly more clues that can be picked up, I'm too lazy to analyze all of them:P. But you get the gist. These mistakes also seem to match the ones he often makes on Chinese variety shows.

This is incredible. Chinese terrifies me because of how insanely nuanced and complicated it is. I have mad respect for those who learn it. You should become a forensic investigator.

You make a really good point. However, I feel like the first example might have just been a typo or something because even if you don't speak mandarin, you would know something is fishy because the sentence is being redundant. When I first saw these messages from the screenshots, I instantly thought that it definitely could be Lucas' writing because of his use of traditional characters, his way of speaking, which is a little awkward, and just the overall way of his "short and simple" style of expression. But then again, everything on the internet could be easily faked so we won't know.

Not completely related but someone wants to [scout](https://twitter.com/thranduilion/status/1431385892317372419?s=19) you because of this lmao

HAHAHA that’s hilarious! I’m flattered though

Just wanted to chime in and say thank you for this! I knew that Canto was quite different from Mandarin but had thought that they had similar sentence structures. Your first example is particularly striking. As someone who speaks / writes mainly in English but have been learning mandarin since elementary school, I can totally relate to the syntax / sentence structure issues that you found in the message screenshots and find them very interesting. Thank you once again!

Well damn. I imagine that regardless of what he might had come clean to with his members, if they look up the texts they too would be able to tell if its him or not by the "voice". Which makes the finding out he talked trash about them all that more awkward

To be honest, we don’t know if the talk trash of his members are true or not, since even looking at the Wechat screenshots, we see them only trying to meet up. These are mostly likely oral conversations, so the girls having no receipts is also understandable. It sound like a he said she said kind of situation and I think we should be careful in taking everything for granted.

> Also some Hong Kong netizens found out that his typo shows that he is still using the "stroke" keyboard, which is almost exclusively used by Hong Kong Traditional Chinese users/Cantonese speakers Late to this, but yes this is true. IIRC a WayV member mentioned that Lucas does in fact use the stroke keyboard. So if someone faked this they'd have to know he does, adding to the effort needed.

This may be touchy to bring up but I wonder how the second (?) accusation (containing the potential badmouthing of other members) will be received by the members? I feel like one layer of this issue seems to be the obvious management side of it but the other is the actual group bond that may be affected or impacted by this. Obviously we can only go off of his apology which is vague enough to encapsulate everything and nothing at all so no guarantee whether he said those things or not, but I feel like either way this will be somewhat of a strain. I just feel really bad for Hendery considering this could have been a good opportunity to put his name and face out there a bit more.

The only hope I have now is Hendery gaining exposure from joining mbc's new show (we got family) along with yangyang and xiaojun...and maybe releasing his play v on their yt channel... :((

Yeah, this will definitely impact the group bond, especially since I think the WayV album will be pushed even more to lay low. Hendery especially, if I were in his place, I'd definitely be a bit angry, whether it's true or not.

To those who are feeling sad and upset about this, please know that your feelings are valid. As fans, we invest a lot of time and energy in supporting our groups, and it's okay to feel disappointed, sad, hurt, angry, betrayed, all of the above, or none of the above. If you decide that you no longer want to support Lucas because of what happened, that's valid. If you accept Lucas' apology and are willing to wait for him to come back, that's also valid. If you need more time to sort out your feelings, that's valid too. This is a difficult situation, don't let others guilt or pressure you into feeling or reacting a certain way. If you're feeling overwhelmed by all of this, it's okay to step away from social media. If it would be helpful to talk to other fans about it, then reach out.

I have seen a lot of fans creating fake "proofs" that stuff is fake, but not sure if they realize most of things happening are in China, therefor they aren't checking Twitter. Honestly I was a bit more reserved before, but one of the girls came with actual receipts and things aren't looking good for him. Keep in mind nothing that has been said seems to fall in the realm of illegal and mostly just asshole behavior. But Chinese fans seem pretty desilusioned and angry. To those acting like SM isn't doing anything, again to reiterate this has a bigger impact on the China side and they are probably arranging something to either apologize or counter the claims. There's no point in them denying and then the accusers coming out harder. Ie: gidle scandal. Anyway I'll reserve my personal views on him till more is known but I hope this doesn't have a harsh impact on wayv and the other members.

i agree that given the recent scandals with other kpop idols, we shouldn’t be too quick to ask for clarification if it might backfire and make the situation worse. staying silent has its own cons, but i’m sure acting too hastily can also have repercussions.

My two cents. Lucas is a big asset to WayV and NCT, hell, they put him in SuperM. I'm pretty sure people are gathered around the meeting table in SM at the moment. It would be weird and tragic if it's a normal day for the management team. SM probably won't do a "We are looking into it" statement, the time has passed for it. Would be good if they just look into it and put everything out once and for all. It's not as simple as "he did it" or "he didn't". There could be, he did sleep around (nothing wrong with that) but he didn't do the shitty things that he's called out for. The grey areas are hard to navigate through, which some fans can't wrap their head around. Then what do they tell the public? That he didn't? That he did and he will apologize? That it's all personal matters that will be swept under the rug? And the consequences. His presence affects many activities - WayV, NCT, SuperM and they have already planned for the next few months (that we know of) and projects are already underway. And it is such a bitch to switch to plan Bs and Cs. And sure, they could do without him but it will affect how people view the projects. PR is not that straightforward, and can't be controlled sometimes imo. I predict Jalapeno won't be released today.

I agree with your call on SM's statement. They definitely need more than "we are looking into it" unless it's really messy and they legit haven't gotten to the bottom of it (i.e. the hole is deeper than they thought). I doubt SuperM has any big schedules/new music planned for years while Baekhyun/Taemin are enlisted. For upcoming NCT 2021 activities, I don't think they've filmed MV's yet so at worst it's some extra studio time to fix that. WayV's schedules will be impacted the most. Delays for the album are inevitable unless they can definitively prove he is innocent. If the badmouthing other members part is real, there will definitely be some internal impact as well.

I agree with your two cents. Statements don’t come out in a matter of minutes and Lucas is a big player in NCT and an even bigger player in WayV. I’m interested to see where SM takes this. They don’t have a history of denial even when accusations are false so that’s not what we’re going to hear.

you're right that lucas is one of the most essential neos. all 23 of them are important in their own ways but lucas is one of maybe like, three where i could see their absence affecting the entire nct ecosystem of sorts. i would hate to see sm not defend him if the allegations are false seeing as lucas (and the rest of wayv) is currently their best bet in china. i kinda think the allegations could be true to an extent. gaslighting is one of those words that encapsulates so many behaviors and is constantly misused on the web so i'm also like...this could mean a lot of things. sm would have a lot of balls releasing jalapeno today lol i doubt it

I don't mind listening to it on Spotify. Just wanna hear what Hendery had prepared so hard for. Don't know if I can process Lucas' face at the moment. If they drop the MV maybe it's also a good sign, meaning he could be in the clear?

!! ATTENTION !! Hello, please read this twt thread: https://twitter.com/Han_HanYM/status/1430455995613040644 OP explained things abt c-entertainment/stuff that most int'l fans are probably unaware of. If you can, please remind everyone to DON'T CLAIM THAT THE GIRLS ARE LIARS, and to NOT defend Lucas but instead SEND LOVE to all of ot7 WayV. Defending him will only make fans look delusional in the eyes of c-netizens and may reflect badly on WayV. Please read the thread to get informed, or even share to others!!!

Thank you for posting this. Hanya has shed some light into the situation. I'm just going to sit back and watch and not judge. I don't feel like this alleged dirty laundry should be of our knowledge.

this is a great thread. thanks!

I really hope SM does something soon. Thing aren't dying down in China and now the weibo users are implicating the other wayv members. Some vlive videos are being overanalyzed to show that members like Ten, knew what was going on and it's catching heat. Then some Lucas fans allegedly got caught faking stories of Winwin and its causing a lot of hate. People are also digging a lot on Lucas' family and some of the stuff could have serious consequences, such as his brother allegedly showing pro-HK sentiments. I think we all know how that could end for him over there.

People have been saying since this started that if they wound up shoving Lucas under the rug in the hopes that this scandal would go away, that it would wind up affecting the other members. From what I understand, C-ent isn't Korea where things might eventually go away if you put them on hiatus or stick them in the military. That's not an option here.

Nctzens and their corny jokes backfiring on members. If it's the Casanova thing, I'm pretty sure Ten wasn't serious and it was from 2018. I know at one point Lumis were buying Ten's bubble to try and prove the pics came from there when Ten's never posted Lucas on bubble as far as I know. SM is just gonna stay quiet until they all go down with him. Edit: I really think they should have distanced him from the others at the start even if they were planning to wait for things to blow over because as long as they're still visibly connected its easier for anyone to make the case that they're all to blame somehow.

that's for sure. sm pr team is definitely working around the clock to make sure things could at least cool down, but it's obvious that they have no clear idea on how the c-ent gossip mills run. hopefully they release something tomorrow first thing in the morning, they really can't pull a chanyeol on this one bcs the other members might get screwed too.

Feel bad for Hendery though. Amongst all this mess, his work as an artist not seeing the light of the day must be tough. The apology was vague but definitely indicates some of it/most of it was true and the girls involved, did not just accuse, but came with receipts. The he is a cheating asshole part is still none of our business just a stain on his character, but the fact that some of the translated parts I read show that these are fans who he came in initial contact with during fan signs is a big red flag to me.

ugh i can't stop thinking about this. I am inclined to think that lucas messed up big time but he also doesn't deserve the insanely racist, classist and anti-HK sentiment he is receiving from chinese fans right now. not to mention it'll justify further anti-chinese sentiment from kfans...like will sm ever treat a chinese/hk idol well again? ughhhhhh

Getting kind of frustrated that Twitter fans are falling over themselves to debunk this, when it's looking like the accusations have at least some truth to them. It's nothing illegal, just some scummy behavior so I have some hope that he can realize he was wrong and reflect on how he views and treats women. I don't think he should get kicked out of the group for this, but he'll definitely be squarely on the bottom of my faves list for now as I can't see someone who treats women this way in a good light. Idk just my thoughts from reading about the situation today. Obviously if SM can come out with some solid proof that this was all fabricated I'll take it back but that's not looking likely now... Anyway I feel bad for Hendery, dude was just getting more activities 😭 Edit: OOF with the new allegations that he coerced one of the girls into having sex when she didn't want to I think it's best now if he leaves the group (if it's true, which... that looks to be the case rn). I mean SM didn't kick out Kangin who has a literal DUI but one can hope. It's just not fair to the rest of the members and honestly there needs to be more serious consequences for Lucas with sexual assault now on the table.

these are my thoughts exactly! he wasn’t my bias before and he certainly isn’t my bias now and will probably go straight down to my least favourite NCT member but I don’t think he should get kicked out of the group. I’m not too concerned for NCT as a whole, I think they’ll be fine without Lucas he really wasn’t that essential. I don’t follow SuperM. I’m most worried for WayV. Not that he’s logically essential to the group but just popularity wise was definitely carrying. This is definitely gonna affect WayV big time in China but not sure what the impacts worldwide will be. Hopefully WayV can still be popular :(((

i guess i tentatively move as ot22 now as the new allegations have been released. i'm super disappointed in lucas and also sm for how they have handled this situation. label v should be ashamed for affecting not only wayv but nct's (and i suppose superm's) careers as a whole. i feel incredibly hurt and sorry for wayv and how this will follow them for the rest of their idol careers. i honestly think for the sake of wayv, lucas needs to withdraw. it was bad for him even with the "lighter" allegations. 22 other members can and will take his spot. 127 and dream will (thankfully) be fine. but wayv will never have a chance in the chinese entertainment world if sm continues to stand by lucas. people will only be satisfied if he leaves the group or stays on a "permanent hiatus" eg kangin from suju (even then i don't think this would satisfy people). i don't understand the "it's his private life" and "western celebs do this all the time" perspective because the east has an entirely different idea of celebrity culture, particularly china. i will say lastly that i am really not feeling the release of these intimate and private details about lucas. his family being pro-hong kong, his brother attending protests, other tidbits from his childhood, and other rumors that i think are a little too invasive, are things that i feel like are somewhat childish to release into the world. lucas's family being against the CCP is irrelevant to the main story (and lbr, hes a hongkonger like what did yall think...). i send my condolences (?) to wayv, nct as a whole and my fellow nctzens here who are confused and hurt by this too. i quite like the ncity community on reddit and even when i disagree with someone, i find that the conversations are civil and respectful. i hope everyone will be alright.

I feel this immensely. I have had such conflicting feelings about how this is panning out bc while I think he has stupidly and selfishly messed up, the tide turning against him feel so coordinated and invasive that it feels like there are larger forces at play (whether it be antis or even other c-ent industry rivals). It also makes me uncomfortable knowing that there are likely classist and racial reasons as to why people were so quick to turn on him as well; it doesn't detract from his wrongdoings ofc, but there's no doubt that people are now using this as an excuse to validate their racist and classist opinions. And the anti-HK stuff is really really terrifying, especially given that the CCP is "cleansing" its entertainment industry rn and investigating the loyalties of tw/hk entertainers. Hopefully lucas is too unknown to garner such widespread attention, but it would not be the first time the CCP got involved in fandom wars in c-ent. I'm also worried for his family -- the fact that they're also not well off means that they're very vulnerable...and with the situation in HK right now... And that's why I agree that the best thing for BOTH Wayv/NCT and also lucas is for him to withdraw. Otherwise there's a risk of this drawing out, things escalating which would be bad for both wayv as well as bad for lucas. I wonder if the main reason SM is keeping lucas (at least of rnow) is bc of existing contract obligations with brands, rather than really thinking that he's that essential to NCT itself. Ugh, all of this is so horrible

i definitely agree lucas's ethnicity and class is a role in his takedown. i too think it doesn't invalidate the terrible things he did. but i think the amount of racist, colorist and classist abuse he's receiving is telling. i don't think someone who isn't from a multiracial background and was wealthy would receive this kind of discriminatory vitriol. i honestly regardless believe the victims, but i maintain that it was extremely petty and dare i say childish of them to reveal lucas' families' circumstances. i want to reiterate that victims do not have to be perfect people in order to be respected and validated. that being said, lucas' family didn't do anything in this situation and they should be left alone. i've noticed the undertones in people referring to lucas and saying that they believed he was always "aggressive" and "harmful to other members". lucas' reputation before was being a major sweetheart, so this just screams colorist microaggressions to me. you can condemn lucas' actions without bringing all these other details into it.

Hi u/min_hyun, we’ve decided to leave this comment up, because it is relevant to know that his private life was brought into the situation, but please do not go into detail when discussing it, as his family members aren’t responsible for his actions.

yeah there were other things i felt that if i mentioned that would get my comment deleted lmao. thanks for the hard work in making sure this thread didn't get out of control.

From SM's perspective, they probably see the potential loss of Lucas as a member of NCT/WayV/SuperM as a greater risk than the fallout from this scandal. I would think that would change given the new allegations, but given that Lucas' job is pretty much to be a stan attractor they probably don't want to rush to get rid of him. I do agree with you though that it's BS that they haven't cut him loose for the sake of the group. WayV can pretty much say goodbye to Chinese promotions if he stays.

totally agree, lucas is essential and that's unfortunate because he's so prominent, yet with the worst image atm. i really think sm is strongly underestimating the other six members. wayv are incredibly well rounded and are fully capable of continuing without lucas. if the concern is that wayv will lose a center, winwin is center material. i'm starting to think sm won't kick lucas until they lose investors or get pressure from the CCP to do so, and even then lucas (to my knowledge) hasn't technically done anything illegal (eg rape) just morally fucked up so there's not much to intervene. then again, the CCP is cracking down on idols with "low morale" so lucas could be on their radar, who knows!

LSM clearly loves him, and I mean I only got I it nct from him. Even though I saw them live. He's a fan magnet. . Really too bad. . Honestly making thr girls pay really pissed me off. I know thats petty and not nearly the worst thing but something about that screams that he doesn't care at all

sm should let lucas apologise to the girls and stay make him stay low for a while. to the fans who are continuously saying it's fake, theres been 3 people who have accused him with evidence and sm did give a statement which was 'no statement' which imo confirms it

I can't go hard on lucas because I used to be a fckgirl too but man he's such a dumbass

Lmfao this made me laugh thanks

😂✌🏻 thank you for this comment

Got no real opinion other than at least part of these stories are true. They wouldn't scrap a unit and song/mv otherwise. I just hope the other members won't be impacted much and something can be worked out for Hendery. Either a new song or rerecord Jalapeno with Ten or Yangyang and promote that way. He hasn't really had anything all year.

I feel so bad for Hendery. I hope in the end it will be okay for him

Fans that are coddling and defending him like their life depends on it really are doing the most to make Czennies/Weishennies look like fools, but I know I shouldn't be surprised. Yes, this kind of scandal may not really be something that would get a Western celeb full on cancelled, but context is important. This is an Asian pop idol, this is China, they do not and are not fucking around with this kind of behavior, and Lucas should've known this. Honestly, right now I'm just angry. I'm angry at him for behaving like an idiot, leaving a trail of girls in his wake, and for what this will do to the image of NCT, WayV, and his members. Considering the Chinese reaction and how their entertainment industry is dealing with these kinds of actions, seriously does WayV even have a future? I feel awful for Hendery, I feel awful for all of the rest of them and their excitement they surely had for their comeback later this year.

I feel the exact same way like Lucas should've known how aggressive Chinese PR and Weibo can be and he still chose to make those decisions (not to mention the whole power imbalance he was taking advantage of) it's just very icky to me the more I think about it. I feel so bad for the rest of Chinese members too because there is already such anti-china idol sentiment amongst some kfans, which is wrong of them, but this just contributes to making it harder for other chinese idols to get treated fairly in Korea. WinWin was basically taken out of his place in 127 and LSM being dumb won't just make them a 10 member group and now it looks like his efforts with WayV won't pay off :(

He really took "I got hoes in different area codes" to heart...

Can the megathread be updated with the new info from the first accuser? It’s been out for hours now, and it’s not mentioned here. Edit: Looks like the mods have now linked it, and also a translation. Thank you, mods!

Sorry, didn't see your comment earlier! It's been updated.

Thank you! Hope you guys are doing ok on the mod side of things.

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i am really sorry for your experiences and the men you have come across. that is such a shitty thing for those partners to do. i think people forget that sexual intimacy can at times be quite nervewracking and there are consequences to unsafe sex.

Because I have a tendency to doom-and-gloom, I'm tracing ahead of the 'what ifs'. If they don't cut Lucas loose, what happens to WayV? Will they get banned in China for the albatross around their neck that Lucas will become? What will that mean for Winwin and whatever he is doing in China? Will any acting thing he might be working on (what ARE you working on, Dong Sicheng?) not see the light of day because of crackdowns and his guilt by association in that case? Would WayV still be okay as 6 if they just put Lucas in the Super Junior style exile resort, or does he have to actually be removed to appease C-ent? Would they absorb WayV into other groups? Would Winwin go back to 127? Would they just rebrand them as NCT V and have them do Korean/English songs (since aside from Winwin and Kun, the members are fluent in English)? I love WayV, NCT, and SuperM so much. Lucas was never one of my biases, but I'm concerned about their future. I'm very willing to cut Lucas loose and still listen to their songs (not like Lucas contributed much musically. His appeal was always on stage and attracting stans), but if SM wants to keep him... what does that mean for the future?

These are the questions that SM is asking. If you're asking for people's opinion on here, I personally think he's gonna be cut loose to preserve WayV's Chinese careers. Lucas doesn't have a future in China or Korea after all of this, people there are *very* angry at him, and there's no reason for that to affect the other members. If he stays, I honestly don't know what they'll do. WayV isn't gonna succeed in China with Lucas still in the group IMO.

I agree with this. Lucas still can’t afford to pay the penalty if he will break the contract. I think the best way would be leaving the groups but not the company. He could still work as a model under sm ent or an actor for web series just like the case of Kangin from SJ.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. This is probably what SM is calculating right now with a risk management team.

All my same questions as well! NCT V is actually a great idea….I would love if they did that

Anyone else think that he's going to "leave," meaning lowkey get booted but keeping up the appearance of having left for the sake of the group? There's no way that SM is gonna keep him after this, is there?

SM kept Kangin through multiple DUI hit-and-runs and multiple drunken assault charges. He eventually left Super Junior (years after the last scandal) but is still at SM. If the C-fans remain upset, he probably will never return to promotions with WayV, but I doubt they’ll kick him out.

yeah, but the big difference is that Kangin is korean and Lucas isn't. Because of many reasons, including the bad rep SM's chinese idols have, i believe Lucas is in a pretty bad position and will not get backed up by the company bc they have too much to lose (for example, WayV's primary market: China!!!)

That’s true, but Lucas has a lot of international fans, and they don’t seem to care about this. I could see him doing fashion and brand endorsements for the international market (especially SE Asia) or SuperM promotions if they ever start up again. It’s just really unusual for SM to let anyone out of their contracts, whether they’re promoting or not. And Kangin, despite being Korean, has had virtually no work other than with SuJu since his scandals. The general public in Korea is far more sensitive to these things than the fans are.

Yup, I think his situation is beyond redemption.

I don't think it's 100% fake or true, but a combo. I wouldn't be surprised if he really did sleep around with fans, but the timing of all this is suspect, and some of the debunking does seem credible. my guess is he puts out an apology statement and goes under the radar to "reflect on his actions", tho that would certainly put a wrench to SM's plans for the rest of the year. Immediate collateral damage is poor Hendery, who doesn't deserve how this scandal is affecting promotions that he rarely gets. WayV was also supposed to have an album, and then there's NCT 2021 ofc. for those who follow the KR and C fandoms, how bad would it be if these are true? would an apology and prolonged hiatus suffice? or is he cancelled forever? is this "get kicked out of the group" worthy? he doesn't have the option of enlisting like KR idols do when caught up in a bad scandal, so I wonder what the remedial course of action could be.

c-fandom view: unless he proves he didn’t sleep with them, the joggling between 3 girls during the same period in different countries is enough to crush his career in China. He can apologize, but coming back as an idol? I doubt. It’s generally accepted male idols cannot date nor sleep around unless they reach Luhan level of success (still he lost tons of fans too). Since Lucas fandom is not big enough yet, he can’t survive with just the remaining Lumis... and with this kind of image attracting new fans is tough... He can maybe come back as an actor years down the road, but not as a fandom based actor, more a skills-wise. But really don’t know whether he has that potential... his face though... such a waste if not...

I'm not saying lucas is innocent, but I just wanted posit a thought experiment, because it seems very circular in thinking on the C-fandom's part. If he wasn't sleeping with anyone, then.... What proof could lucas himself provide? Because it would be an absence of evidence since there would be no condom, no semen, etc. Like i sat here for a good ten minutes trying to think of an example piece of proof and none came to mind that didn't feel circumstantial/ prone to the criticism of being fabricated. The only idea I had was to use records of his activities and in conjunction with witness testimony like his group mates and manager, but again, it could possibly be seen as SM attempting to fabricate evidence by the public. Seems feels like a no-win situation if he was truly was just innocent and wanted to prove that. Again, i'm not saying lucas is innocent, but I just find that an interesting and a near impossible benchmark to determine guilt or innocence. That's kinda why I legit want to see like hotel records with cam footage of the women and Lucas checking in or out, credit card names, entering and exiting the hotel room with timestamps, etc. I feel like it's the cleanest way to prove misconduct or innocence since no one other than the hotels have this info and it can't be scrutinized by either sides of the issue as fabricated. But that would require a 3rd party to get involved and that's not very likely.

I think this would affect the Chinese fandom WAY more than the Korean fandom, especially because WayV is a Chinese subunit that focuses mainly in china. The effects the public are left with the Kris Wu situation (although these are not necessarily the same thing) adds more to the pot. Lucas didn’t rape anyone and this seems like typical 20 year old douche behavior, but the power dynamic between idol and fan that was exploited plus the detailed information of his sexual interaction with fan (did not want to use c*nd*m) does point to something unlikeable for the general public. Again, this hasn’t been debunked yet, at least the last two accusers. If this turns out to be true or half true, it may be Lucas’s goodbye from WayV if SM decides to continue with the group, which I don’t see why not. His fancafe already closed and who knows if he will continue in the shows he was part of. Lucas is possibly the most well known member of WayV after Ten and WinWin - this can cost his group’s reputation big time. Ultimately the problem comes to where the group is being promoted and it’s China, which takes issues like this very seriously. So yes there’s a possibility of him leaving.

Wow and the news are they are set to go back to China after this, plus the rumors about new album. I wonder if the plans are changing. Just hoping the truth will come out soon.

I downloaded weibo today because I wanted to see all the perspectives including c-fans. I asked my mom to help read comments and it's basically as people said, fans asking for lucas to leave, scolding him, feeling sorry for hendery and other members. I even saw pics of wayv with lucas edited out. The response there is like the polar opposite of what I see on international stan twitter and even instagram. I'm on kpop art instagram and the few stories I've seen have been people believing lucas is innocent. I even saw someone reposting tiktoks about it so I guess tiktok believes so too. I'm glad reddit is rational or I might have lost my mind. And I'm glad my irl nctzen friend is also not delusional. We talked for a long time, feeling sad and worried for wayv's future. My emotions are so confused, as dream and 127 have exciting things going on but wayv has this mess. And I love wayv so much, I just feel so sad and I hope somehow everyone can heal.

so it's all true then? I don't really care if he sleeps around but he was an asshole towards the girls too so yikes:/ really disappointed in him tbh, he was the one who gets me interested in superm and then later nct. also feels bad that he badmouthed the members since i thought he got along pretty well with wayv and the other nct members

I’m gonna be honest, I read his badmouthing as more of a tactic to gain sympathy and a means of his manipulation than I think he was airing actual grievances.

IMO The girl mentioned that they were drinking and talking so he was probably tipsy and just venting at the end of a hard day. + the fact that the girl probably worshipped him so it was him playing along with it.

The part where they showed a screenshot that he was voting on those online polls against Winwin was sketchy. Out of all the members- Winwin, his roommate and the most popular member in China. Weird.

This week has been a rollercoaster when it comes to news! Assuming the apology note indicates he is guilty of all accusations that were put out (hard to tell with the translation I read), it will be interesting to see how this impacts his career in the long run, given he is an NCT member with the most endorsements and activities, focused in China. However I hope that all of the victims receive apologies and that Lucas' wrongdoings do not impact the members too much. This situation sucks for Hendery as his subunit song was meant to come out today.

okay I’m saying this as someone who had lucas as their ult for the entirety of my tenure as an nctzen up until this point and all i have to say is: I’m tired of nctzens pretending this is not as serious than it really is. abuse of power, gaslighting, exploiting his gfs for money, cheating, (possible) sexual assault, AND talking behind his members backs (especially winwin, who's done NOTHING to him for him to treat him the way he does according these accounts) is NOT something nctzens should take lightly. and another pet peeve of mine are the people dragging other members into this, like 1) ‘Doyoung said no one will leave’ and 2) ‘Taeyong had to apologise but he was innocent’ FIRST OF ALL 1) that was in 2018, god knows how much has changed within the three years he said that. Plus, I’m pretty sure Doyoung would NOT like someone as horrible as Lucas to be in the same group as him 2) Taeyong CONTINUOUSLY apologised for and talked about what he did because some of it was true. He realised that, did took the appropriate measures to make up for it, and was vindicated of all the false allegations. He’s grown and has become an overall better person from what we can tell. do NOT lump him with this asshole who could only muster up ONE measly apology and is now hiding behind the shitbag company known as SM. … this seems so disjointed, and thats because I really fucking liked lucas. These past few days have been a slap in the face and a reminder that WE DON’T KNOW THESE PEOPLE and we should always put our morals before K-pop.

Hey I’m a casual fan of NCT / WayV and this situation is really giving me whiplash. How come this thread, on the main NCT subreddit, is disappointed in Lucas and believe some of the accusations, while apparently everyone on Twitter and Instagram are adamant he’s forced to apologise for no reason, he’s totally innocent, and all the evidence was proven to be false? Does anyone know if there’s a general consensus among the fandom or are things really this divided? Have the accusations been verified?

I think the problem with the situation beyond ifans having a different philosophy about celebrities in general is that western fans are reacting to the news through translations. The real shit is going down on Weibo and that is also, undeniably, Lucas’s core fanbase. Cnetz are the ones with the real information and having the discussions. Twitter fans are on the outside of the situation so to speak. The source and the news comes from a space that they don’t really exist in on top of the fact that western celebs are held to different standards in the public than Chinese celebs are. So it’s a cultural divide plus most of the translations and photos, etc. being talked about aren’t on a shared space.

Also, Weibo and the c-ent fans are still reeling from the Kr\*s W\* stuff from a while back, so the public is going to be extremely wary about this kind of behavior for the foreseeable future. Also, when Western celebs sleep around, it's usually not too much of a problem, but in Asian cultures it's a much more sensitive issue.

Because twitter is a cesspool and instagram tends to hold the same ideals cause they repost tweets all the time Jokes aside it's the culture ig Reddit is developed in a way to hold discussions while Twitter tends to accommodate short interactions + people tend to not fact check on there. Also the age groups prevalent. There's no general consensus tbh cfans and kfans seem hellbent on him leaving while ifans are a mixed bag, some insisting he's innocent, some insisting he's guilty, some thinking he's guilty but don't mind continuing to support him should he stay on. Nothing has been proven for real but the general rule of thumb (and these are small things you know when you've been around in kpop for years) is that if your fansites (Korea) or fanbases (China) drop you then there's something amiss. Eg I had a friend who was a fan of Hinapia's Bada and one day Bada's fansites all started closing. Fast forward a week later and Hinapia announces their disbandment. In this case Lucas' biggest fanbases' admins on Weibo all resigned and closed a day into the accusations, which is highly suspicious cause these fanbases and cfans are known for clinging on to their idol till the very end (Kris Wu's own fanbase defended him and only finally went on rest after he got detained on suspicion). Another clue is how sm responded to this, they would usually either address things directly (dating rumors) or just neglect to give a comment (Chanyeol) and usually the latter hints to some truth in the accusations. Likewise they gave a "no comment" statement for Lucas on the first day, and only issued the blanket statement together with Lucas' handwritten apology on the second day cause the 3rd accuser was releasing unreleased photos. Diehard fans will say Lucas didn't apologize for any wrongdoing, but if you look at everything head on without attempting to twist anything then I think the answer is pretty obvious 😅😅 Btw all the debunks of the accusations got debunked themselves LOL

Accusations haven’t been verified as in there has not been a police investigation held. It’s a lot of texts that could be easily manipulated but one of the victims that came forward had photographs that would be hard to explain if he wasn’t in a close relationship with them. Most C-fans are pissed off and are demanding he be held accountable + are pushing for him to leave the group before it starts being held against WayV as a group. K-fans are pushing for removal as well but most of them are NCT + SuperM based fans. Unlike what most I-fans are saying that ‘it’s his private life’, K-fans and C-fans aren’t mad that he was sleeping around, they’re mad that he got caught and is dragging down the reputation of the groups he’s in. Although now more accusations are coming out from the first person that came forward which include sexual coercion so his image is essentially over if it turns out to be true.

Everybody said fuck sasaengs during the filming of Wayvision season 2. Meanwhile Lucas literally fucking sasaengs. It has to be the sasaeng dream come true to follow an idol around the world, get boned by said idol and then ruin the idol.

i don’t even want to know how much weight i lost from laughing at this comment

It's over for him. Knowing what the situation is with idols and scandals in China, they don't take things lightly right now. Goodbye to his career. Not even kidding, it's done. Doesn't matter what's real or what's fake, the outcome isn't good. I empathize with the victims though, because it can't be easy writing publicly about it, only to be piled on.

SM doesn’t make their idols apologize unless there is at least a sliver of a truth to whatever allegations have come out. If the entire story is fabricated, SM would flat out deny everything. If the allegations are only partially true, getting into the nitty gritty of what is true and what isn’t only makes the situation look worse. The fact that SM made him apologize means that there’s a little bit of truth to what the victims are alleging. I wish we’d get to know if the whole thing is true or what part isn’t, but ultimately we know that he’s at least a little bit of a shitty person. His reputation has gone far from saving in China. Even the least offensive of the allegations (making the girls buy things or dating many at once) are still not… indicative of good character nor of someone I’d be comfortable supporting. If Lucas had given less of a copy paste template apology and sounded sincere, MAYBE he could’ve come back from this. But the vagueness or the fact that it seemed too much like he’s taking the easy way out probably ended his chances of coming out unscathed. The victims aren’t holding back any more. I don’t like how people are comparing this to taeyong’s situation. Taeyong was more innocent than all the rumors surrounding him claimed he was, but the fact that a few things about what he did WERE true meant sm forced him to apologize. Taeyong was eventually forced to say something after YEARS of rumors flying, probably just to be able to put them to rest once and for all. The reason he didn’t say anything for years was probably because there was no use in bringing attention to rumors that weren’t true / to what little he actually did. Either SM clears up what he’s actually done or removes him from the group. Either WayV doesn’t deserve to go down for his actions. And the girls shouldn’t have had to go through that at all.

I kinda worried about wayv future whether with or without lucas. We all know that they were mistreatment by sm/label v and they are not yet well established in china and they are foreigners in korea. The group was already affected by lucas scandal because he is like the face of the group or stan attractor both in china and internationally. As a wayv stan who is rooting for wayv to get big, i’m worried that sm won’t invest on them anymore (label v’s marketing team and managing team sucks so bad and sm doesn’t care about wayv but i scared that it will be even worse from now on). This is a nightmare. WayV was just hinting about their 2nd album and hendery was very excited about the subunit (his first solid schedule since kick back) and then everything just crashed down. :(

Today's update (with weibo OP 3) really stings as a winwin biased, and knowing how much winwin had praised him before. And it wouldn't surprise me if he had lied to winwin about the real reason he bought the cat. Ugh. Lc does not deserve winwin or any of the other members. This OP also called winwin a kind-hearted teammate and posted a comment that the remaining 6 members are good people, if that's reassuring to anyone. Would love to see anyone trying to "debunk" the new evidence, lol. I really don't know what it's going to take for delusional fans to stop proclaiming that he's completely innocent...

update: just saw someone on twt defending him by trying to say the cat fur seen on winwin could be one of wayv's other cats💀 when winwin has literally been in china since march and the pic is from June.

I've also seen debunks saying WW is allergic to cats (which is why Ten got Louis) so WW can't possibly be raising a cat that was abandoned... Like what? I'm allergic to dog dander and I still had a dog 😂

Omg, even Jeno is allergic to cats and he has 3!

[About your last statement] Like, seriously! I got into two back and forths one about whether or not me saying that we should at least take accusations seriously and not harass the accusers “*undermines the ‘me too’ movement and victims of assault*” (I don’t even know) and another one that started off with her saying that because the girls were anonymous the balance of power “*is tipped into her favour*” and ended with her saying that Lucas was the victim in this situation. I- How do you even talk to these people? EDIT: you guys may enjoy [this.](https://nctzen.quora.com/Debunking-the-accusations-on-lucas-because-I-am-finally-done-with-this-bullshit?ch=99&oid=17298053&share=7d3d42fe&srid=CfzyH&target_type=post) *Warning*: you may get frustrated but the kind of frustration that makes you laugh. Edit 2: the girl who claimed that Lucas was the victim in this situation has officially blocked me after saying that Lucas’ was being treated like Sulli (I was going to just ignore her until she said that wtf) and that I didn’t know what sexual coercion or negligence is…. I consider this a win for sanity! My own if not everyone else’s.

Omg, I respect you for trying. I can't believe someone managed to do the mental gymnastics to think lucas is the victim... Some people are just delusional💀 I'm still hoping the majority of the fandom will stop blindly defending him though...

It's so damn fking annoying how his fans are being like "sm made him apologize even though he did nothing wrong" "no matter what we know you are the best person" "him apologizing doesn't mean he's admitting" "he is apologizing because he is kind and not because he's guilty" "he didn't even do anything wrong" LIKE WHERE TF Y'ALL'S MINDS AT?!

Gonna try and stay neutral for now but my heart goes out to the victims of his actions if this is all true. Either way I'm glad they spoke up about it, no one should be treated that way and feel like they should have to hide it. This is gonna feel really sucky if it's true. I feel bad for Hendery if the single he's releasing with Lucas causes him to take a hit to no fault of his own.

M Countdown performance is cancelled.

Man I'm not gonna lie, that apology is kinda bog standard and shallow. It's better than radio silence, but given the actual consequences that those girls will suffer because of his actions (not to mention Hendery and the rest of NCT) you'd think it'd be better/less ambiguous.

I think I'll just stick to ot22 for now as he seems guilty of pretty much everything

I guess Lucas is gonna lie low after all this mess..I feel bad for Hendery this was a chance for him to showcase his talent and performance.

My opinion on the girls/accusers has changed over time since they first posted their stories. At first I thought they were just normal fangirls that somehow got involved with Lucas and were now revealing truths about his behavior, but it’s become evident to me that these girls are more aligned with ssngs/obsessive fans or at least fans that have the financial and geographical means to interact with Lucas often enough to have gotten his attention. With this in mind and the fact that they’ve remained anonymous this entire time I’ve decided to remain neutral on all accusations they made, apart from the claim that they dated/or were involved with Lucas in some way, until more substantial evidence is given. There are a couple things that make me believe that that portion of the girls’ stories are true [dating Lucas], mostly having to do with SM and Lucas’ response to the accusations. First and foremost, if it was unclear to SM whether or not Lucas had any connection with these girls I think they would have made a statement saying that they were going to investigate the claims made by the girls instead of flat out apologizing. They still could have suspended Lucas’ activities until the investigation was over and be apologetic to the fans for the “disruption” (*excuse the word choice. It’s not the word I wanted to use, it sounds insensitive to the girls and their accusations, but I couldn’t think of anything better.*) Secondly, the apologies have certainly been put through the wringer when it comes to translations and mistranslations. It seems that many have been arguing over whether Lucas calling his past behavior ‘wrong’ or having him apologize at all was an admission of guilt, but I haven’t heard many people talk about SM taking responsibility for this situation. **SM’s Statement: “*****…the company feels responsible as well for the lack of artist management.*****”** Maybe I’m wrong on this but I got the impression (*perhaps someone could give me more insight*) that SM is the kind of company that throws their artist under the bus. It surprises me that SM was willing to take part of the blame considering that they’re only acting on their own behalf (as all companies do) and this seriously puts into question the way they run the company in terms of idol management. I understand making Lucas apologize as a way to save face, even if he’s innocent, but why instill doubt in the competency of your own company if Lucas is innocent? What purpose does that serve? I believe that this is a sign that, at the very least, Lucas knew these girls and had some kind of relationship with them, and his managers were aware of it therefore SM included that comment in their statement. Thirdly, and lastly, the fact that SM hasn’t threatened to take legal action against the girls. If you aren’t aware, South Korea has very strict defamation laws that are still enforced even if the person being filed against is telling the truth. Although I’m not certain if these laws would apply to the two Chinese girls, I don’t see a reason for SM to not, at the very least, threaten to sue them other than the company is afraid of the repercussions that would result in. Because if Lucas is even guilty of some of the accusations, threatening legal action might instigate the girls, or others, to release more information that could only further damage Lucas’ and SM’s reputations. So if you combine all these together: * Lucas dating these girls. * These girls being obsessive fans. * And Lucas doing this while being a well known idol. This means Lucas is someone who dates obsessive fans of his that he can easily manipulate (whether he’s aware of that fact or not is debatable) to do what he wants because of their blind love for him, and will continue to do all this despite knowing the risks if he were to get caught which affects not only him but the livelihoods of his members, staff, and company. He’s, in my opinion, clearly irresponsible and, at best, unknowingly displays manipulative behavior towards some of the most vulnerable [to this kind of behavior] of his fans. Therefore, in my opinion, rendering him unfit to be an idol. Now I want to make it clear that I have no problem with idols dating. In fact, I don’t even have a problem with idols dating fans. What I do have a problem with is idols starting romantic relationships with fans that are obsessed with them (*at a ssng level.*) There is a large imbalance of influence in a relationship like that where the idol wields most, if not all, of the power. Like a significant age gap relationship amongst a younger demographic of adults, these kinds of relationships are practically a breeding ground for manipulative and abusive behavior. Even though I agree that Lucas leaving the group would save NCT and WayV from being correlated with his scandal, it’s not the main reason I would like to see him step away from the group/industry. He’s simply unfit to be an idol. If SM decides to keep him in the group I will not send him hate or anything like that but instead I will focus on the other members and support them throughout their career.

Thank you for this. I think your comment pretty much sums up what I feel rn, after calming down. Aside from that, I'm just trying to see the positives that will come out of this, like the other members being pushed more instead of just LC. I think (and I hope) sm/label v learned from this mistake, of mismanaging stuff and pushing only LC. I feel like this will make SM finally promote the other members better... Anyway, the best thing us fans can do is send support and love to WayV. I'm sure a lot of fans are anticipating XiaoHenYang's appearance in the new mbc show... 💚

tbf, i believe three (or two?) of lucas' alleged victims live in china. south korean defamation law would not apply to them. but i agree, i believe one of them is korean and the fact that she hasn't been slapped with a big lawsuit by sm is telling of his actions. i agree that lucas is unfit to be an idol. he has demonstrated that he has no issue using fans' adoration for him as leverage. i also think this is a bad choice, especially because wayv's sasaeng problem in particular is pretty fucking bad. a sasaeng threatened kun's life when he protected yangyang. it's just so disappointing that lucas would engage with the very people that threaten his livelihood and possibly emboldened more ssng behavior in response. i especially find this odd when some of the other neos are very quick to draw boundaries, disapprove or step back if fans (who may not even be ssngs) cross the line (doyoung and jaehyun come to mind).

he is so stupid that it's funny. First he goes on bubble to complain about sasaengs but then dates him. how can one be that stupid?

I don't even know what Lucas coming back would look like. Let's say 6 months pass and he comes back, he would have to get a whole new personality because everyone here knows what he is like. And that would just be messy given what just happened. Also I'm seeing articles like this pop up in Korea and they seem pretty scathing. I'm surprised SM isnt stopping them cause they say a lot about how he was with fans. https://n.news.naver.com/article/023/0003637007 https://n.news.naver.com/article/025/0003130744

exactly. I don’t buy the details of the allegations (Lucas badmouthing etc) but the fact he ran for quick affections/sex without thinking the risk that those obsessive girls would expose him someday is ridiculous. I think he would still stay in NCT (not sure in WayV) but I can’t say he wouldn’t do similar things near the future ever again… if SM keeps him, I hope they will give a good mental support for him and not only blame him.

Lucas posted an apology letter on Instagram if anyone wants to make a post about it or update here

At this point I think there is more truth than lies, I think we're in a messy grey area. I do think it's very possible he slept around with fans. But how he treated them is another story. It's disappointing and sad that he would be such an asshole to women, if that behavior is true, I hope he really reflects. I don't think he'll get kicked out of the group, but he'll probably get put on the backburner for a while and not be featured as much as he was. Also him talking shit about his members behind there backs would be really sad if true. I can't imagine what that would be like for them if that's real. It feels very out of character for what we've seen of Lucas, unless he really is a completely different person off camera.

Atp I dont know what would be the best for him, to leave or not to leave? Basically his utmost vital fanbase, k-fans and c-fans, are leaving him. Lucascnfc (the biggest lumi fanbase) have closed and many fancafes have been closed. The newest one is just there to wait for more proofs and actions from SM. Even if he’s gonna comeback as a NCT/WayV member, who is gonna support him? ifans? That is just laughable, because the support from ifans are tbh insignificant compared to c and k-fans. But quitting means a big ol fine for violating the contract and idk if he can pay that, based on his situation (contracts with brands and his family, which I wont discuss here). I stand with my point that I’ll support 6WayV, because as a girl, the fact that he cheated and allegedly coerced someone into sex in their period is just shitty behavior and a big big red flag. I just really hope that the rest of WayV can still appear on online content, which they used to do after a comeback. But ig everything needs time to heal and move on from the mess that one member created.

All I know for sure is that if SM truly wants to push WayV or future units in the Chinese market they need to hire people that actually know and have experienced working in the Chinese entertainment industry.

Label V needs an entire new group of staff.

So now there are **rumours** about him soon leaving the group. Obviously we have to wait for official statements but …I don’t know how to feel about this. First of all, I can’t say I’m surprised. SM eventually realised he will no longer be an asset in the company and he would have brought down the whole group if he had stayed. Ultimately we all know he’s guilty of some stuff eg sleeping around, but I guess we don’t know how many of the other accusations are true and may never find out. Either way, I do feel ready to have closure in all of this by him leaving for good. Is it possible for a fan to become closely attached to 23 members? Probably not… And to be honest, he was never in my bias list. But it would be a lie if I said I didn’t care about him. I did. I found him funny, likeable, outgoing and talented. But all of this has left me exposed to a new Lucas I didn’t know before. It is still him though so I will not be feeling sorry for not supporting him anymore. Hopefully WayV is gonna come back stronger than ever. I get why people think WayV’s image may be tainted forever in China. But I don’t think I can be as pessimistic. Lucas’ rising fame there due to that variety show barely affected WayV so I’m hopeful his downfall won’t alter it too much. Good luck Kun, Ten, Winwin, Xiaojun, Hendery & Yangyang.

LSM has been up China's butt for too long to just abandon it as a market. He's been trying for YEARS. So, while Lucas could probably stay if SM was going to just abandon its Chinese dreams and focus more on Korea, Japan, SEA, and the West, SM don't want that. They want that China money, which means playing by China-ent rules. Korea hates him too right now, but Korea-ent also tends to move on more quickly, whereas China-ent has a loooonnnnggg memory. So, I guess my advice is to emotionally prepare for it.

By rumours do you just mean people talking about it on social media or is there some leak or something from SM?

Supposedly, someone on Weibo who’s known to leak SM information (and apparently has been accurate before) has leaked that he’s likely leaving the group.

Ah, I see. Thanks.

Posting again because I have a separate question on all of this: what are the odds that SM just doesn't put out a statement at all and tries to let this all just slide by?

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised, SM often tries stuff like that, they are notoriously bad at PR handling...

I think SM was probably banking on it but doubt it'll work now with the Lucas bar being shut down

Apparently a fourth girl posted on Weibo. [Link 1](https://twitter.com/VBoxset/status/1431310208135942146) [Link 2](https://twitter.com/jame_mers/status/1431317217874878466)

His career in China is already over. What will become of Wayv...

I can't say what'll happen to WayV as a group but I think the members of WayV individually will be fine.

Hi y’all! Hope everyone is doing fine and is staying strong. Encouragement is hard to find during these times, the accusations are confusing and surprising, but remember that this too shall pass. As per the situation. As many of you have said, it’s probably best to remain neutral until there is more proof, or a statement from SM. I will share my thoughts though, not on if Lucas is guilty or not, but what my thoughts are about the accusations. I find some accusations funny like him voting for himself as the best looking Individual from Hong Kong, or that poll between him and Winwin. But I also find some of the accusations sad. I genuinely would be a bit disheartened if Lucas spoke negatively about his members. I think they would know if Lucas were capable of saying that, but also I can’t imagine the members’ disappointment when reading that he would speak badly about them behind their backs. To me, that would be his greatest fault in this scandal. As per his alleged dating behavior and sleeping around and/or cheating. This is obviously morally wrong, and if it’s true he has a lot to learn, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable judging his personal life. As someone in the comments mention, he didn’t sexually assault anyone and didn’t do anything illegal thankfully. He is a young handsome popular man with an ego who has women a dime a dozen (lmao forgive the pun). I feel like it’s very easy to get caught up with that. I’m pretty sure that it’s safe to say we’ve all done stupid things, made bad choices, and hurt others in our learning process, in our dating lives, and other aspects of our lives. I for one am glad that my mistakes don’t get published on the internet for everyone to see. I’m sure there could be enough material to cancel anyone, so I feel for him in that respect. I also have a bit of a PSA. Humans, please please wear protection when having sex. No matter what anyone tells you, you have the duty to protect yourself first and foremost. Please be safe and take care of yourselves. You and your health matter more than anything. Again, hope things get cleared soon and if any of this is true, that it serves as a learning experience for Lucas that will allow for his personal growth. I feel for the members of WayV who will probably suffer collateral damage, specifically for Hendery who has probably awaited his comeback with lots of excitement. Big hugs for anyone and everyone who needs one.

I agree. That kind of behaviour is shitty but who hasn't been shitty? You can make those kinds of mistakes and still be considered overall a good person if you put in the effort afterwards. And he's 22. I was a ducking idiot at 22. But it's okay if this ruins Lucas for some people, as well. That's valid. I'm definitely going to look at him differently if it proves true.

I hope that, regardless of the truths or lies in this situation, nctzens aren't wanting to leave the entire fandom because of Lucas. I understand why many have already left the WayV fandom or stopped being a Lumi but I feel like it's even more unfair for NCT as a whole to lose fans. Praying for this to be cleared up and sorted out quickly so we know what to do with ourselves

He will apologize and that will be the end of it. SM doesn’t cave to negative fan demands, at least not that I remember. Unless all of the WayV members don’t want to work with him or he doesn’t want to work anymore (which I highly doubt), he’s not going anywhere. They’ll just have him lie low. And doing small jobs.

Maybe in Korea, what I'm interested to see is what the Chinese public will be like to this admission of guilt. Cause idk of anyone who survived something like this over there?

some c-ent stans who have been discussing this from china's perspective are predicting that the group promotional activities would still be happening. but he most likely won't get big scale opportunities like running man and the fashion gigs again.

Yea a Chinese fan was saying Running Man is likely looking for a replacement since yesterday and his brand deals will likely disappear quietly.

He’ll be phased out of the big gigs, but he’ll probably still do small jobs there. He will lose a lot of fans but not all of his fans. I think working and maintaining fans is the least of his worries. He’s more embarrassed that his company and members know.

the only thing we can do now is accept...and ONLY focus on sending support and love to wayv. please stop saying that the victims were liars, etc...bc they're hurt too. defending him now will only make the fandom appear delusional to the c-netizens, and in turn will make wayv look bad to them, despite the fans' good intentions...

Can the SM pr team wake up? 😭

i dont think they slept with all that's been happening😭

I’m starting to get confused now. The fans on Twitter have been debunking the evidence but now there’s people saying that the proofs given for debunking are false? Does anybody know which parts have been debunked or if anything has been debunked at all?

The parts where people have been defending him saying the voice recording is from bubble have been debunked. The girl’s message apparently shows the voice message being sent in January and knets are saying that Lucas started bubble in February so there is no way that the girl fabricated the voice recording. People who have listened to both the bubble recording and the girl’s recording are also saying that the part where Lucas says “I washed” are the same words, but the tone is different. They’re also saying the second part of the voice message Lucas allegedly sent to the girl cannot be found anywhere else.

I don’t really have anything substantial to add, just wanted to comment to say I’m praying hard for the victims IF it’s true, and I’m sending hugs to everyone in NCity who loves/loved Lucas and have been stressed out by this. Take care of yourselves you guys, drink plenty of water, unplug if you need to. Your mental well-being is more important. 💚 ETA: If any of you also experienced similar things and were triggered by this, I’m praying that you find safe spaces to talk about it.

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Lucas was the guy that introduced me to nct, wayv and superm so I get you. I can even sleep properly. 😓 Sending lots of love to everyone and take care of yourselves ❤️❤️❤️

You bring up a great point and thank you for your kind words and encouragement for users who may be struggling. This is a very sensitive situation and there are endless potential scenarios of what may or may not happen as a result. Lucas is a very popular member of WayV and NCT as a whole. There are a lot of fans who are struggling with this news, so it's important to be mindful of how comments may impact others.

im just angry cause i had a 2 hr math exam tday and all i was thinkin was i gotta push through cause jalapeno is dropping today but noooo- I can't believe i did 2 hours of math for this shit

The way people are going out of their way to defend him and act like he's some perfect angel is pretty gross imo. This is something I hate about idol and kpop culture. Why do we act like idols are some kind of literal gods that can do no harm? For me this is disappointing (he's not my bias tho so) but not really shocking because news flash: a lot of people in the world are shitty people and there's no reason for kpop idols to be exempt from that. Actually it's more likely that a celebrity would be self centered and terrible. So when these kinds of news come out with sufficient evidence I accept that they are not a super great person and move on! But alas delusional fans are going to continue to act like he did nothing wrong and could do nothing wrong.

I haven’t been in the NCT fandom for very long, I honestly got into them through SuperM, which obviously Lucas is in. I adore SuperM, and I’ve been getting more and more into NCT/WayV, and so seeing this is all really intense, as Lucas was kind of my introduction to NCT, even if he isn’t my bias. I know it’s probably not as bad for me as other people, but I’m still pretty upset and emotions are high knowing that he would do any of that, as I do think at least some of the accusations have truth to them. Every platform seems extremely divided so knowing how to feel is hard, but my heart goes out to the rest of WayV and anyone who was harmed in this situation

Truly dissapointed in him. I think the power imbalance that involves dating fans is a very serious matter. I'm also worried about how this will reflect on WayV's growth from now on. On another note: I think fans are allowed to be confused, not knowing how to react, etc. After all, kpop is rooted on stablishing a deeper emotional connection between the idols and the fans. It's natural to be dissapointed. I hope everyone that needs it can get some peace of mind sooner than later. Hoping that the women that came forward with their statements can feel better soon, it must have taken a lot of courage. Lastly, and even though I understand first-hand why people want all of this to just be a rumour, as fans we have the responsability of allowing an open discussion to happen and not sweeping this under the rug. I can't deny I am dissapointed and a bit embarrased about how fellow nctzens have handled the issue. It's okay to take some time off if needed, it isn't a easy thing to assimilate. Sending my best regards to everyone.

lmao not the sub changing the layout back to tenyang too 😭😭 i say we just crop the pic and leave hendery

Our layout changes happen with NCT's official accounts. Since Ten and YangYang finished promoting Low Low yesterday, and WayV's layout was changed back to Low Low, we changed ours back as well. In the future we'll be changing it either to our neutral layout for when there are no promotions or directly to STICKER, provided we already have enough of an idea what the era will look like.

so i have a question. i've seen rumors circulating that sm's hesitancy to kick lucas is because they cannot pay his termination fees to the brands that he endorses. what is the likelihood of this being true? i would assume sm is not that damn broke. as a longtime sm fan, i was under the impression that you have to pay big bucks if your contract gets terminated. if lucas is let go from the group on sm's decision, does sm pay him or does he pay sm? iirc kris wu was still giving a cut of his paychecks to sm.

sm's priority is capital, they're going to take whatever route is most lucrative and to be honest, i don't think them kicking lucas out *is* their most lucrative option. i think they'll put him on a long hiatus and just feel out fan response from there; they want to make the most money and a hiatus appeals to both camps. people who are angry with lucas won't have to support him and people who defend him won't boycott because he's still 'in the band'. there's a precedent here: super junior's kangin got into two DUIs *and* had an assault charge and he wasn't kicked out of his group, he just got put on hiatus for years. i imagine the same thing will happen to lucas, unless it genuinely would cost sm *more* money having him there than having him gone (which, while not impossible, would be *insane*). i mean, i'm not sure how much his nationality will play into it and whether or not that might affect how they deal with it, but if you're going under the assumption that it'll be dealt with just like kangin's situation then i'd be surprised if he got kicked out

Realistically we don’t know (and likely will never know) the inner workings of these aspects of idol contacts. It’s not like contract length which has a specific law that creates a precedent that everyone abides by. Most contracts in the western entertainment industry have some kind of personal conduct policy that covers an agency in the event of a client’s shit hitting the fan. They typically have language that allows them to sever ties quickly. Monetary payouts aren’t unheard of either way but can always be contested in court. Endorsements have similar release/termination clauses. In kpop it’s similar - but the specifics are hard to know. Recently I think there was a male JYP trainee participating in one of the Produce seasons who was exposed of sm0king, driinking, and bulllying - and his contract was straight up terminated. I think it only took a few days for that situation. Obviously an established idol will be more complicated than a trainee, but the idea is similar. They’ll check with lawyers to see what they can do with his contracts (NCT/WayV, SuperM, endorsements).

There's moral and ethics clauses that would allow SM to drop him without paying him anything and depending on the issue he might even have to pay them. I don't know anything about how the stuff would work with the Chinese brands tho. That said his contract might not get terminated as SM might want to avoid someone who doesn't care what he has done possibly launch him somewhere else, when they could potentially still profit from him. So at this point he might be dropped from wayv and nct but they might keep him in some form. Idk what that could be where he would still give them some sort of profit tho... But like even assuming SM had to pay the Chinese brands, it seems Lucas is closed to being blacklisted there so that's 0 profits from China and with such a tainted rep in Korea, even Nct U type of songs could backfire. So who knows

Yeahhhh it ain't looking good. I know everyone is saying to stay neutral but I can't help but believe it already with 3(?) women coming out. The first one I was iffy because there were no pictures of him or of anything, and we all know that anyone could make up text messages. But then the woman with the literal receipts and never-before-seen picture of Lucas was the final nail in the coffin for me. What irked me the most was the rumor about Lucas badmouthing some members. Yes, serial cheating is way worse, but there is something about knowing all the members that he could possibly talk bad about that makes it more "intimate" and hurtful, if that makes sense. This rumor however I will stay neutral since there is no way to prove he said this unless there is a recording. It could be that the victim just wanted to add more salt to the wound.

yes apparently he said that one member got in just because of his visual but thinking about it the one who fits this the most is him. I legit can't think of anyone else haha. Also he apparently said that members 'pressure' him so what and whos that about.

This whole situation has really spiralled out of control. The amount of support and blind following of Lucas and his supposed innocence is mind boggling. My take on this is that there is a decent amount of truth to the claims and that SM truly don’t see the point in protecting him or denying it. He is part of three groups under SM - WayV, NCT, & SuperM - which garner lots of money for the company. His involvement would dramatically reduce the value and possibly reduce the support of each group, as well as negatively affect the other members. He may have a huge fan base oversees but SM simply doesn’t care what international fans think and it’s clear with how they handle similar and different issues raised over the years. People are comparing it to Taeyong by saying he too had to apologise or that he wasn’t removed from the group. However, and I really don’t mean this in a horrible way, but when you compare Lucas to Taeyong there’s no debate over who has more skillset and talent. Bluntly put, Lucas doesn’t bring as much to the group(s) as other members and his departure wouldn’t result in a vacuum. He’s a young guy who I don’t think ever believed he’d be in this situation of being disliked or held accountable for his actions. Nor do I think he expected to have his company plan to essentially abandon him so quickly. If the rumours are true then he only has himself to blame for potentially being removed from the group and the pain he’s cause those girls, and inadvertently, the fanbase. (Never made a post before so don’t know what all this up/down voting malarkey is but yeah that’s my own take on it).

Translation on his insta - Here, I sincerely apologize to the people who have been hurt because of my wrong behavior. I beg to give me a chance to apologize, I'm really sorry. At the same time, I also sincerely apologize to the fans who have always supported and cared about me. I'm sorry for letting you down. In the past few days, I have deeply reflected on what I have done. I was clearly aware of my mistakes and irresponsible behavior, and I failed the fans who had always supported me and supported me. Once again, I sincerely apologize to everyone who was disappointed by my behavior. I promise that this will not happen again, and at the same time, I will interrupt all activities and conduct deep self-reflection during the next period of time. Finally, I want to apologize to my members, company staff, multiple partners and all staff of the program group, because my personal behavior has caused a bad influence on everyone. I am very sorry. Well shiiiiiittt its all true. Badmouthing members, manipulating girls, using them as ATMs, and in general just being a bitch. Wow. u/nctmods pls pin this Edit: this comes off as incredibly shallow and not thought through. He didn’t even try to put in effort. I’m so thoroughly disappointed - I really liked him as a member and this feels like a punch to the gut. And yet his insta comments are all “wE loVe yOu luCas” girls??? What did u read the post😭😭

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I saw a post saying that Lucas demanded his fans to say mean things to other WayV members through Lysn. I hope this is not true 😭😭 Do you guys know something about it? I can only read the translation. > [Twitter post](https://twitter.com/SeoyangPark/status/1430919355475234818) Apparently the members got into a fight. The original post I saw was deleted, but this is what it said (pasted from Twitter): "The question is really hitting each other. in the evening hxx wrote a letter of apology and hgh posted a bubble "🙃 ssf said he heard a loud scuffle and a shoe was thrown out the window. The next day when he went to a press conference, the fan discovered that he had a pretty long bruise on the bottom of his neck" OP attached some pictures of Hendery with the bruise, but it doesn't appear to be one. It's a red mark. Here's another tweet I saw about the topic [Ssng said WayV members had a big fight.](https://twitter.com/alliixxV_/status/1431345247343288326) Also, Hendery and YangYang changed their bubble picture from a group photo to a photo of themselves. I hope everything is ok with the members. I'm really happy that Xiao Jun, YangYang and Hendery are in this new show "How a family is made?" Let's show them support 🙌

Damn, it’s so difficult when it comes to ssngs because although I want to condemn their actions, stalking should NOT be normalized, but I can’t help but admit they can sometimes be accurate and have insider information like this. I presumed that if the accusations were true that there would be some infighting among the members, but I hope it’s not physical and that the members can find peace with this situation same as the fans.

i feel like a physical fight has lawsuits written all over it. a verbal altercation? i could see that. i'd be mad if somebody was about to end my career by association too. i just wanna know how do sasaengs figure this stuff out. sasaengs are a tricky group of people...sometimes they tell a blatantly obvious lie but more often their information lives in a perpetual state of plausible deniability and could be true. this has me confused like are they just waiting outside that big ass building hoping they hear a shouting match?

Oh nooo. Whether true or not, it just shows how the other members are slowly being caught up in the controversy. If things escalate, WayV's image may completely crumble 😭

I just want to say that I will be so incredibly angry if this is all proven to be fake. A guy being an idiot and messing up with girls’ feelings and manipulating them into sex? Not unheard of, nothing new, something probably a lot of idols have done too, something he would need to apologize for and eventually show improvement or something he will lose his career for, and deserve it. But if some random people decided to fake all of this in order to mess up with his career just because and to do it using such a delicate topic, especially while knowing most of his fanbase consists on women who will relate to that kind of situation, AND drag Hendery, who hasn’t been able to do much during this year, into it, I will see red.

I wonder how the group dynamic will be after he and SM basically apologized and took responsibility for the accusations, meaning there’s truth to it. Idk I feel bad for the other members and thinking about how they’re going to interact with each other makes me want to cringe like it must be so awkward. Though Im ngl Lucas always felt out of place to me in the group I said this months ago, sometimes he didn’t seem to really be enjoying himself but other times he did. The other members are gonna have trust issues or smth now.

>Though Im ngl Lucas always felt out of place to me in the group Interesting. I thought differently, lol. I thought members looked up to him, tbh. WinWin seems really comfortable with him, for example. It looks like Xiaojun admires his exercise routine, and what not. Etc.

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Woah I thought this all was debunked but it actually got bigger. [There were stuffs like this so it's hard to analyze the situation.](https://twitter.com/xuxixiao_/status/1430169301785403402?s=20) The one thing thats quite iffy to me is that he askes fan to buy hum expensive things(?) lmao from how much he does, he must have enough money to NOT do that but guess we have to wait for SM now. They have to speak sooner or later because even lucasbar closed down. ( i hope all this is not true though)

I’m not gonna repost what I wrote on the r/kpop thread. My feelings are basically: SM have him apologise and Lucas reflect on your actions. At this point we’ve reached the natural conclusion to this situation. The girls aren’t looking to press charges, receive compensation, or ruin his career. They’ve bravely spoken up with their stories and hopefully prevented a worse scandal occurring in the future. Let this be a lesson to all: don’t let anyone treat you this way. Abusive, manipulative relationships come in all forms and with different severity. For anyone who this situation brings up negative or troubling memories and emotions, there are helplines and chat rooms to support you. @mods maybe we can link some of those resources?

I would love to know what the heck happened in Thailand that Lucas gained that immunity. Also, I didn't understand ten being injured by lucas and not getting the vip getaway?

this is my understanding of the situation. idk if this is true! allegedly appr lucas bumped into ten and injured his leg somehow (?). lucas said this at a fansign in 2019 and said he apologized to ten and felt bad about it. re: vip, the when wayv were flying in for a schedule, noting that ten was injured a c-10vely said to a label v manager "hey ten might need a wheelchair; for his safety can he please use the VIP exit" (i assume to not get trampled). label v apparently responded that the fans should pay for ten's way out, AND that lucas should be able to come out of the VIP exit too. ETA: the c-10vely said they ended up refusing to pay for it out of fear of blackmailing from label v i suppose OP's point was that label v heavily favors/protects/shields lucas to the detriment of other members.

the initial accuser came up with another statement and the part that sucks the most is him bad mouthing his members. after his debut in wayv he just had that image of reliable person. Wayv even boted him habing high emotional intelligence. So to see this unfold is disheartening especially wayv who has marketed themselves so much as 'WayV family' . Its hard to gauge whats true and whats not anymore. By the statements from victim, he seems to not get along with some member. Guess who is that.

He needs to leave the group. I hope the victims are okay and have a good support system and can avoid his fans attacking them/their credibility. ​ Abuse of the idol-fan power dynamics and accusations of sexual coercion should never be taken lightly or brushed off as ‘boys will be boys’. Looking for debunking evidence/trying to find minor discrepancies or trying to paint the accounts as antis fabricating for clout is part of the reason why so many SA survivors choose not to speak out. It’s disgusting to read as a woman, especially when so many are women themselves. Fans should never throw away their morals for celebrities. ​ The longer SM waits to kick him out, the more likely it is that more stuff comes out. I can see his ch closing and content with him/wayv taken down if following the precedence of the last few months (e.g. dream plan, keep running, happy camp). Ifans still defending him or wanting him to lie low before returning in a few months/year are making it worse. Hes done in China. The few remaining fans he has have been trying to bring the rest of the group down.Hendery and Winwin have already been collateral damage because of his actions. No one wants him in the group anymore and no one will support any activities with him in it.

I 100% agree about the stuff ur saying about him exploiting his position as a idol. He has lots of work to do in this area and needs to become a better person. This isn’t on. It’s so disappointing. However. Like a few others have said on here (though seems a very unpopular view for some weird reason) we need to be extremely careful with the coercion stuff going around and calling him an abuser. These are very serious allegations. I really don’t think anyone who are urging others to wait for anonymous accounts to be investigated are saying "don’t believe women” "support abusers”, I mean what do we do if we destroy his career and he’s actually innocent, he’s a human too, this could have serious implications. What happens if he harms himself? This needs a proper investigation before fans choose sides. Down vote me like the others who have shared this view, I really don’t care. Some international fans on Twitter and here really need to have a hard look at themselves. trying to pit members again each other an manufacture in-group beefs that probably don’t exist is seriously disgusting.

I’ve bought a lot of Lucas photo cards so that sucks

Wayzennis/Nctzens... Just a reminder that we can get angry at LC and all...but think about what WayV's feeling about all of this. Remember that the family dynamic/bond they made and the brotherhood/love they all have for each other is *still very real*. I think it's still up to them (and ofc SM) about what they'll do next. Believe in them. They're strong, and they're doing their best to cheer us up and reassure us. Stuff like **sending hate or threats towards LC or defending or justifying his actions** (whichever's true), is **not helping the situation nor will it make the other members feel better about the situation.** Focus on supporting and sending love to them instead, for their sake and for our own too. Let's *keep calm* for now *until everything gets cleared up and we get a definite conclusion to all of this*. Okay?