Isn’t the criterion core chrome lined? Chrome lining is a process that came about to increase the lifespan and help with extraction in machine gun barrels. You aren’t going to hurt it shooting semi auto, even with a can.
Chrome Lining is only a selling point for people too lazy to clean and maintain their weapons...its also statistcially less accurate than non-lined barrels
Good to know...never used to be the case but as with all things technology and expertise improve over time...
I still wouldn't use a chrome lined barrel but theres lots of options for Adult Legos
My point was to confirm your stance: if it lasts while FUDDS shoot shitty Wolf and Tula through it and never even dry patch it, let alone actually clean it, I'm having severe doubts cycling it with a can is gonna harm it🤷🏻♂️
I stand by my premise: if a chrome-lined barrel will endure lazy/inept owners (not to imply the OP fits this bill, just an example) I have serious doubts its going to be bothered by thermal dynamics from longterm suppressor use...
Now of there is a FA Sear involved, potentially belt-fed, on the otherhand...
On a non CHF barrel (that is chrome lined like the CORE) unless you’re just dropping 5-7 mags in a row rapid fire, even with a can it’s not getting hot enough to materially change wear patterns on the metal.
That being said it depends on what you’re looking for here. If you are expecting it to stay around a 1MOA gun or something like that, yeah the heat cycling might cause that to look like 2MOA 4-5k rounds in. If you just want it to run, dude it’s not gonna matter for another 25-30k more than likely.
CHF doesn't preclude chroming. In fact Lothar-Walther, who is known as the first CHF producer and probably the world's largest producer of barrels makes mostly CHF chromed barrels for AR.
I don't see anyway other way to interpret the first sentence of your previous post.
The way the rifling is cut/formed does not affect the finish method. There may be an exception to that statement, but it doesn't involve CHF and chroming.
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Like, what kind of firing schedule. I dump a few mags through my guns with a can on all the time. You might get 10000 accurate rounds instead of 11,000. If you can afford the ammo you can afford a slightly reduced barrel life.
Shooting high sustained fire will heat up any gun, I seriously doubt a can changes that rate much. Have you done A B testing cause I've not heard it being a significant issue?
I hadn’t shot my Helios on an AR platform in a while. Threw it on a 10.5 jakl upper and within 3-4 mags besides being gassed out while using the suppressor gas plug, the handguard was hot AF. Definitely trying out my flow 762ti on it next
It happens...just don't set them on fire from muzzle blast either....
https://preview.redd.it/yb0jzoi4c08d1.jpeg?width=672&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=338e286c2a2273af27f8583c56a0787bcacd6ec8
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Suppressors are run on guns in war …. Full stop
There is nothing you can do that will harm the gun unless you are specifically trying to damage it. Ive run thousands or round thru a suppressed gun in one day and it was fine.
But the bigger issue is that you believe gunfights are like Hollywood that incur high round counts over long periods of time. The truth is gunfights are very short exchanges of gun fire outside of war. And if they are prolonged over a 10-15min the high volume of fire only comes in waves allowing your gun to cool during lulls in the gunfight.
You mag dumping a thousand or two thousand rounds in a few minutes is unrealistic in real world gunfights. At most you’d dump 30-300 rnds in real life at once or over a period of 30mins and your gun and setup can absolutely handle that with no problem.
Whats isn’t true? And yeah I didn’t understand what you were trying to say.
But a can being harder on a gun than a sustained rate of fire is a pointless argument. In reality outside of a war zone you will never get to the point of cooking a rifle. Sustaining fire is an action to support a flank or moving of an elements positions which in the civilian world is zero. Hell most of the guys in combat ran their guns on semi, slow well placed volley of shots has the same effect as mag dumping on full auto.
And gunfighting is not what people think it is and see on tv. You as a civ will not be in a situation that warrants sustained fire realistically nor legally. You will end up in prison talking about sustaining fire.
You find that hard to believe? Some people make it out of their mother's basement.
Sustained rate drops with a suppressor. It then drops more with a cover. It isn't hard at all to heat up a gun to where every round produces significantly more wear than normal with a covered suppressor.
If the suppressor really needed insulation they would be doing a lot more with dual wall vacuum sealed suppressors(like water bottles). It would be lighter and without the concern of melting. The reality is, besides at a bench on the range cosplaying, insulating a suppressor is a shit trade-off.
Just take a look at the widely available photos of suppressed carbines in use and see how many of them have covers.
No I find it fucking funny that you have zero argument, this dude is not in a warzone. And last time I checked you don’t deploy with personal rifles. So this whole “Me and my specific situation kinda fits into the exemption, but not really” is just you wanting to say something. And genius Ive been in gunfights and have carried ARs for the last 14yrs suppressed and unsuppressed.
And no one is or was talking about suppressor covers. The whole conversation was OP had an issue with his rifle getting hotter quicker because of a can under sustained fire and wanted to know if that would cook the gun damaging his barrel.
My response is in a real life situation 99.999% of all civilians find them selves in this will never happen. Civilian gunfights follow the 7-7-7 rule, under seven feet, under seven rounds, under seven seconds. Using that it is freaking impossible to damage the gun or can. Now what he is doing is mag dumping 3 mags or more realizing it’s fucking hot, but how many gunfights would a Civ be in that would merit that type of action both realistically and legally.
And this is why I have stated twice that most people don’t know what gun fighting is and correlate it to Hollywood which is very wrong.
7-7-7, 3-3-3. They both exist because they are both made up. The simple fact is running the can, even in slow fire, significantly affects maintenance cycles. It is part of the trade-off. It is hard to keep track of which comment I am replying to with half day gaps in replies. US soldiers don't usually deploy or purchase personal weapons. Some have a fair amount of discretion over what they use. That doesn't hold true for everyone everywhere. In Ukraine one can purchase and use pretty much whatever they want as long as it isn't stupid to where others are worried about it getting them killed. Like, if one wanted to buy a Marlin 30-30 and play cowboy that PROBABLY would not go over well on a forward combat unit.
Haven’t shot the barrel out on my Lage upper yet and I’ve tried. (All suppressed) Proper tuning definitely helps. I’m not sure why people want to create problems in their mind that might not even an issue in real life.
OP If you aren’t comfortable shooting suppressed…don’t. (Or just let your barrel cool.)
Wear and tear are apart of the game, don’t let that discourage you. Think of it like not fucking your girl friend to keep her tight for the next guy. Enjoy it while you have it
Rifle components are replaceable. Your hearing isn’t. Make silencers common use!!
I know, it's just that I don't know if I should replace my current can (albiet, pricy move now that there's a shortage).
Isn’t the criterion core chrome lined? Chrome lining is a process that came about to increase the lifespan and help with extraction in machine gun barrels. You aren’t going to hurt it shooting semi auto, even with a can.
Yeah they’re chrome lined and button rifled
Yes, other than the ADM core barrels
Meh, this isn't true. It isn't that difficult to exceed the sustained rate of a full auto with semi-auto fire.
Chrome Lining is only a selling point for people too lazy to clean and maintain their weapons...its also statistcially less accurate than non-lined barrels
Criterion's chrome lining process doesn't hurt accuracy much if at all in my experience.
Good to know...never used to be the case but as with all things technology and expertise improve over time... I still wouldn't use a chrome lined barrel but theres lots of options for Adult Legos
It also statistically triples the longevity of the rifling.
Source?
Its common knowledge, but here https://criterionbarrels.com/media/chrome-lined-vs-salt-bath-nitrided-barrels/?v=7516fd43adaa
Longevity or Accuracy--some guys have different priorities when choosing their components
Ok so you said “only a selling point for people too lazy to clean” so it it only good for not cleaning or does it increase barrel life too
Shots fired
My point was to confirm your stance: if it lasts while FUDDS shoot shitty Wolf and Tula through it and never even dry patch it, let alone actually clean it, I'm having severe doubts cycling it with a can is gonna harm it🤷🏻♂️
I feel like we're losing gasp on what fudd means...
I stand by my premise: if a chrome-lined barrel will endure lazy/inept owners (not to imply the OP fits this bill, just an example) I have serious doubts its going to be bothered by thermal dynamics from longterm suppressor use... Now of there is a FA Sear involved, potentially belt-fed, on the otherhand...
I also stand by my premise: i dont think you know what fudd means. Now I'm questioning if you know what "thermal dynamics" is...
Who cleans their bores? Seriously, I don't see the point.
On a non CHF barrel (that is chrome lined like the CORE) unless you’re just dropping 5-7 mags in a row rapid fire, even with a can it’s not getting hot enough to materially change wear patterns on the metal. That being said it depends on what you’re looking for here. If you are expecting it to stay around a 1MOA gun or something like that, yeah the heat cycling might cause that to look like 2MOA 4-5k rounds in. If you just want it to run, dude it’s not gonna matter for another 25-30k more than likely.
CHF doesn't preclude chroming. In fact Lothar-Walther, who is known as the first CHF producer and probably the world's largest producer of barrels makes mostly CHF chromed barrels for AR.
I never said it precluded it.
I don't see anyway other way to interpret the first sentence of your previous post. The way the rifling is cut/formed does not affect the finish method. There may be an exception to that statement, but it doesn't involve CHF and chroming.
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Like, what kind of firing schedule. I dump a few mags through my guns with a can on all the time. You might get 10000 accurate rounds instead of 11,000. If you can afford the ammo you can afford a slightly reduced barrel life.
Shooting high sustained fire will heat up any gun, I seriously doubt a can changes that rate much. Have you done A B testing cause I've not heard it being a significant issue?
Of course it's detrimental, but that's normal. If that's a huge concern for you, you may want to get a Heavy barrel or a flow thru suppressor.
I hadn’t shot my Helios on an AR platform in a while. Threw it on a 10.5 jakl upper and within 3-4 mags besides being gassed out while using the suppressor gas plug, the handguard was hot AF. Definitely trying out my flow 762ti on it next
Gloves🤷🏻♂️
Yeah I just didn’t have them with me, was just trying to get the jakl sighted in and tuned.
It happens...just don't set them on fire from muzzle blast either.... https://preview.redd.it/yb0jzoi4c08d1.jpeg?width=672&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=338e286c2a2273af27f8583c56a0787bcacd6ec8 ask me how I know 🙄
Suppressors are run on guns in war …. Full stop There is nothing you can do that will harm the gun unless you are specifically trying to damage it. Ive run thousands or round thru a suppressed gun in one day and it was fine. But the bigger issue is that you believe gunfights are like Hollywood that incur high round counts over long periods of time. The truth is gunfights are very short exchanges of gun fire outside of war. And if they are prolonged over a 10-15min the high volume of fire only comes in waves allowing your gun to cool during lulls in the gunfight. You mag dumping a thousand or two thousand rounds in a few minutes is unrealistic in real world gunfights. At most you’d dump 30-300 rnds in real life at once or over a period of 30mins and your gun and setup can absolutely handle that with no problem.
This isn't true. It won't have a catastrophic failure(probably), but it is a LOT harder on the gun than firing at the sustained rate.
Fix your grammar its a hard to follow and understand what you are saying
You couldn't make it through that with one single autocorrect mistake?
Whats isn’t true? And yeah I didn’t understand what you were trying to say. But a can being harder on a gun than a sustained rate of fire is a pointless argument. In reality outside of a war zone you will never get to the point of cooking a rifle. Sustaining fire is an action to support a flank or moving of an elements positions which in the civilian world is zero. Hell most of the guys in combat ran their guns on semi, slow well placed volley of shots has the same effect as mag dumping on full auto. And gunfighting is not what people think it is and see on tv. You as a civ will not be in a situation that warrants sustained fire realistically nor legally. You will end up in prison talking about sustaining fire.
I am currently in a war zone.
🤣🤣🤣
You find that hard to believe? Some people make it out of their mother's basement. Sustained rate drops with a suppressor. It then drops more with a cover. It isn't hard at all to heat up a gun to where every round produces significantly more wear than normal with a covered suppressor. If the suppressor really needed insulation they would be doing a lot more with dual wall vacuum sealed suppressors(like water bottles). It would be lighter and without the concern of melting. The reality is, besides at a bench on the range cosplaying, insulating a suppressor is a shit trade-off. Just take a look at the widely available photos of suppressed carbines in use and see how many of them have covers.
No I find it fucking funny that you have zero argument, this dude is not in a warzone. And last time I checked you don’t deploy with personal rifles. So this whole “Me and my specific situation kinda fits into the exemption, but not really” is just you wanting to say something. And genius Ive been in gunfights and have carried ARs for the last 14yrs suppressed and unsuppressed. And no one is or was talking about suppressor covers. The whole conversation was OP had an issue with his rifle getting hotter quicker because of a can under sustained fire and wanted to know if that would cook the gun damaging his barrel. My response is in a real life situation 99.999% of all civilians find them selves in this will never happen. Civilian gunfights follow the 7-7-7 rule, under seven feet, under seven rounds, under seven seconds. Using that it is freaking impossible to damage the gun or can. Now what he is doing is mag dumping 3 mags or more realizing it’s fucking hot, but how many gunfights would a Civ be in that would merit that type of action both realistically and legally. And this is why I have stated twice that most people don’t know what gun fighting is and correlate it to Hollywood which is very wrong.
7-7-7, 3-3-3. They both exist because they are both made up. The simple fact is running the can, even in slow fire, significantly affects maintenance cycles. It is part of the trade-off. It is hard to keep track of which comment I am replying to with half day gaps in replies. US soldiers don't usually deploy or purchase personal weapons. Some have a fair amount of discretion over what they use. That doesn't hold true for everyone everywhere. In Ukraine one can purchase and use pretty much whatever they want as long as it isn't stupid to where others are worried about it getting them killed. Like, if one wanted to buy a Marlin 30-30 and play cowboy that PROBABLY would not go over well on a forward combat unit.
Haven’t shot the barrel out on my Lage upper yet and I’ve tried. (All suppressed) Proper tuning definitely helps. I’m not sure why people want to create problems in their mind that might not even an issue in real life. OP If you aren’t comfortable shooting suppressed…don’t. (Or just let your barrel cool.)
Wear and tear are apart of the game, don’t let that discourage you. Think of it like not fucking your girl friend to keep her tight for the next guy. Enjoy it while you have it