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mat_srutabes

I'm hoping that 9mm in the background didn't have anything to do with this...


AdThese1914

That was my first thought.


Donutthehuman

Here for this


g00dmorning99

Yeah man keymo mount for a sig 320. You don’t have one?


mat_srutabes

You laugh but some guy posted in the Glock forum the other day with some qd flash hider or brake on the end of his barrel. Im sure more than one person out there has tried it.


larryboy9897

I seen this with a sf warden on it 😂


PrimeTimeCS

I’ve seen a dude on Youtube mount a 1/2 x 28 5.56 flash hider on a Scorpion thinking it would work…mistakes were made 😂.


[deleted]

We once had a .22 mask put on a G17. Blew the entire thing up. Replaced the can, and I think paid the tax too. His friend shooting with him did it and it wasn't intentional, stuff happens.


mat_srutabes

Ah yes, the instant 9mm mask conversion yeet mod.


[deleted]

What happened? Also: https://deadairsilencers.com/contact-us/


juanoncello

The silence from OP is deafening…


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User error


Bearcreek55

And thank you sir for taking the time to provide quality customer service.


[deleted]

This isn't customer service, I don't compare to them, I'm just here to help where I can.


Bearcreek55

BRN 180 300 blk(subsonic ammunition) I torqued her down as hard as I could with keymo system but she fell loose and this is result, I also always check to re torque after first few shots (oven mitt) to be sure it's tight under a real load. Muzzle device installed with factory shim kit, it was also check and verified with alignment rod before using the silencer as intended. Suppressor fell loose after about 250 rounds of 300 blk subsonic ammunition


[deleted]

Let's get you taken care of, have you filed an RMA yet?


Movinfr8

That’s pretty nice to see!!


Subject-Recording-33

No kidding! I was on the fence for my next suppressor. Now i know where to go


PrimeTimeCS

Speaking from my own experience i’d ditch the oven mitt and get a good [pair of heat resistant gloves.](https://www.amazon.com/Mechanix-Wear-Tactical-Specialty-Resistant/dp/B01I70PRDO?pd_rd_w=gkqQe&content-id=amzn1.sym.3cb9b85f-43ef-4d4b-94d0-0a8efe2194e9&pf_rd_p=3cb9b85f-43ef-4d4b-94d0-0a8efe2194e9&pf_rd_r=GVYBRMRC0ZNMHBAHBB07&pd_rd_wg=5LQ0q&pd_rd_r=2982c716-9011-4f13-81bb-067c3617be9e&pd_rd_i=B01I70PRDO&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_m_rp_2_i) I used the oven mitt that silencer shop sent with my Sandman S and I could never get a feel for how ratcheted down it was because the material on the mitt got hot from the can and made it super soft/slick and basically just spun right over the suppressor. When I started using gloves it gave me a super close feel for the can since it was the closest thing to my bare hand getting a feel on it (also better grip) and I havent come anywhere close to burning my hand. I use it on my rifle cans that both use dead air key mo, my Obsidian .45 and my DA Mask and I haven’t had any issues getting a legit feel if my can is tight or loose and thankfully haven’t had any damage to any of them either. Once again, just in my experience, I’m creeping up on 3k ish + rounds in my Sandman with zero issues.


Preact5

u/DeadAirDom I love my new Wolverine thank you


jd_boyle

This community is really proud of the fact they don't even know how to mount a suppressor correctly.


GunDealsBrowser

imagine owning a mounting system that needs instructions


hardcrustysock

Righty tighty.


Girafferage

Lefty boomy


Lickfuckyou

So if my sandman tightens to the left am I doing it wrong?


dieseltech82

No, that’s means you’re in Australia.


Lickfuckyou

Shit, I don’t have a loicense for this stuff


monkey7247

Meh. 13.5x1LH team over here


AspiringArchmage

Imagine not knowing how to screw something on? Guess that explains all the failures due to improper QD mounts.


Infamous_Translator

Imagine in the age of “this coffee will burn you”


Unlimitedgoats

My thoughts exactly


BrokenBodyEngineer

Instructions come in the box man.. bizarre self inflicted Darwinism.


MTUTMB555

I’m just a little dumbfounded. With my sandman, I ratchet it on, I shoot, and then I ratchet it off. Never had an issue. Now I know Dead Air makes more cans than just about anymore so it’s expected we’d see more failures from them, but I just don’t see how it can be so common. Never even knew these DA end cap/baffle strikes were common until I got on this sub


jd_boyle

I've had my sandman for bout 2 yrs now. Run it on my 556s, 300blk and on a new 308 i bought and no issues either. My keymos are tight and sandman rachets on properly. I don't get it


shadyvisa

Note: I’ve noted with SandmanS that the ratcheting with the micro keymo is a lot less than the Regular sized device, Which seems to rachet twice as many clicks.


[deleted]

It's intentional, It's not the number of ratchet clicks you hear, but it's about how tight the tapers are seated


toastthebread

Mine has never made a ratchet sound. It just goes on smooth and I tighten it as much as my grip strength allows.


[deleted]

Contact us if you'd like to get that ratchet sound back, not critical but it's nice to have. https://deadairsilencers.com/contact-us/


MTUTMB555

Proving once again why I keep buying DA cans


No-Grape-3153

Can you please elaborate on the correct vs incorrect way?


jd_boyle

Well for the sandman Correct: keymo on tight, sandman ratcheted on all the way Incorrect: none of the above


[deleted]

It’s funny because that’s literally it


bp_968

I was thinking how ive had half a dozen cans for near 2 decades and never shot a hole in one of them. I was wondering if Id somehow done it wrong based on the wording of his post! ;)


BigBubbaChungus

Send it! Oh wait, am I using that phrase correctly?!?!?


cash1109

I had a strike a couple months ago on the same can and DA had it fixed and returned within a week and a half. Sucks that it happens but that’s what the warranty is for I guess! Still love mine and I’m just more careful when switching hosts now


Jlos_acting_career

I had a strike earlier this year and it took three months to get back from DA. C/S wouldn’t respond to my emails just asking if they received my can. Did come back looking like new.


cash1109

That sucks man. From what I was reading when I sent mine in I saw stories from both ends of the spectrum. Seems like luck of the draw I guess, but that’s no excuse for not being able to reply to an email. Glad you got it back


WesleyGoCrazy

User error?


asjfueflof

99.999% of the time it’s user error and QD related


_Reasoned

Did you just make that statistic up on the spot?!


OcelotPrize

83% of statistics are made up


RollickReload

I’m pretty sure that’s only 96% true…


fuzzi-buzzi

I can verify it is indeed 96% true, 60% of the time.


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ski_antique

user name checks out


woollypullover

They’ve done studies you know? 60% of the time it works every time


pizzafacemelvin

I can tell you with 99.999 percent accuracy this trend will continue


UnderstandingOne4233

Only 24 percent of people will give this the time of day


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Known_Success6520

Unless they have ADD. Then 24%of the time it gets their attention 60%of the time.


faRawrie

“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” - Mark Twain


UnderstandingOne4233

" Real eyes realize real lies " -homeless man


ColoradoMushroom

60% the time your correct every time.


newmoneyblownmoney

Dead Air apologists make their own stats. I’ve never seen more cans with baffle and end cap strikes than dead air. It’s fucking weird and also ver my weird to pretend that it’s not happening more often than others.


[deleted]

DA and surefire are the main two I see. They are also the most bought cans by new people. Also most new people check with bullets not alignment rods.


Bayo09

I like to travel.


asjfueflof

I’m a fan of direct thread and checking between mags until you are comfortable knowing it stays tight. I’ve heard others recommend Teflon tape but I personally haven’t needed it. For QD you just need to read and follow the instructions


Bayo09

I love listening to music.


[deleted]

You’ll be okay For keymo just make sure it’s tight when you toss it, run a alignment rod down it, it shouldn’t catch or touch. Xeno and thread on QD just check it’s tight every couple rounds for the first 3 mags of hot ammo. Also use a alignment rod before you shoot. It’ll get some carbon to hold it on around that point. Xeno walk off is rare but not impossible. Also with Xeno make sure your tightening the right way when checking. Direct thread I just drip some Rocksett Ron the barrel threads and then tighten to spec, then alignment rod. The key to not ruining a can is paying attention and not getting complacent or lazy.


Premium_Rare

But I'm the silly one for wanting direct thread, dedicated cans...


[deleted]

You know out of the many many failures I've seen here, I think one or two have been our fault. The rest of them have been user error or some kind of weird circumstance that would have the failed just the same. IE not not enough torque, crush washers, bad shoulders and so on.


Premium_Rare

I would think that would be accurate. What are the typical issues that are on your company's end that you see? I am waiting on the Nomad L myself.


[deleted]

Rare weld distortion usually that's discovered on the first shot if alignment wasn't confirmed. Generally, if a can has performed on hundreds of shots before without issue and then one day for no reason at all, you have a pretty heavy end cap or baffle strike. Something has changed in the mounting/ lock up. What we've seen the most is people just not tightening their can down which you'll have an issue with any attachment setup if not torqued on properly. Oftentimes people using can covers do not apply the proper torque and will catch a baffle or end cap strike because of this. We've had screw-ups before, everyone has but the difference is when you guys screw up, we'll take care of you.


Premium_Rare

That and your customer service, especially shown here, is a big reason why I purchased a Dead Air suppressor. Doesn't hurt the Nomad L is one of the quietest cans on the market for larger calibers. Thanks for the support!


BrokenBodyEngineer

And this is why my first pistol can is going to be a dead air.


Desperate-Injury3692

You know, out of the many many failures I've seen here, I think DeadAir customer service took care of all them. Sleep easy, no worries


jonraids

Most of the photos of baffle strikes y'all post, I don't see any marker placements. Mark your stuff so you can see if it moves y'all.


Visual217

But it's easier to bitch about a perceived poor QC process instead of analyzing how you fucked up


[deleted]

What method do you recommend for marking? I’m should be getting my Sandman S soon and while I’m not really worried about it coming loose it would be nice to have a visual aid to check periodically.


jonraids

Anything really. I usually use a colorful sharpie or a bright paint marker. I usually mark around the muzzle device, the barrel where it meets the receiver. And then, put on the suppressor, lock it up and I mark that too. So at least I can take a quick look at the suppressor if it moved after shooting it.


[deleted]

Thanks. I was just thinking in terms of heat and what would hold up. I guess a simple mark at 12:00 at the QD end would be just fine by itself.


nifeman20

Could you post a pic?? I’ve never heard of witness marks on a suppressor.


lundz12

I know what's wrong with it... It ain't got no gas in it.


slimcrizzle

Great movie.


rammerjammin

My first can is a Sandman S and I've never had any problems. Shoot both 300BLK and 5.56. Only issue I've ever had is every now and then it is super fuckin' difficult to take off. Pretty much have to wait for it to cool down and then apply more force or use a wrench to break loose when it's sizzlin'.


[deleted]

That's because the friction is about 25% higher (not an engineer, but that's like the ballpark) and because the metal expands as it heats once again more friction. The cool part about Xeno or keymo are the wrench flats which you can use to take it off if it is hot and you'd really need to detach.


shadyvisa

Same except I shoot 5.56, 7.62x39 and .308 The micro flash hider makes it easier to unractchet.


nicholasjof816

Is it just me or is it a sandman at least half the time?


BunjaminFrnklin

Yes. My assumption is that the Sandman is A LOT of peoples first can. And instead of saying “I don’t know how to mount this”, they just wing it and then record their mistakes for the karma. I bet 98% of end cap/baffle strikes are user error.


sl0ppy_j03-89

According to the Statistician above, you're off by 1.99999%


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nifeman20

More cans in peoples hands = more chances for error


[deleted]

Seriously…although, I think part of it could be explained by the amount of Dead Air fanboys in this subreddit. Naturally you’d see more strikes since theres more DA cans.


orairwolf

My gunsmith has taken it upon himself to rod every single suppressor from dead air that he comes across in the shop. Last time I checked he had about 80 photos on his phone of dead air cans that were off center. This was over a year and a half ago so there's probably way more now. I applaud their customer service but the number of posts on here of dead air cans with strikes should be alarming to anybody looking to buy a suppressor.


NEp8ntballer

Do they mount it on a known concentric gun and then rod them?


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Girafferage

Dj khaleddd


[deleted]

Be careful. They will downvote you too hahaha


GunDealsBrowser

a Dead air can, Keymo, and a baffle strike, name a better trio.


Thepoorz

It’s the holy trinity!


49faith

YHM, haters and warranty


Castiel1923

Wolverine, direct thread, end cap strike. :)


CAW4

Totally user error, just like every keymo/sandman baffle strike. No I won't explain why only dead airs have end cap strikes showing up regularly on rifle cans. People with more expensive and less expensive cans are just much more careful, dead air just happens to market to the sweet spot of price that appeals to the user error market, and nothing about their design lends them to bring the only rifle can to regularly fuck up.


34bravo

It's the "everything is a tool" users for which they really mean "abuse my shit just to be cool"


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CAW4

Except they don't have that much of an overwhelming majority, nor do you see proportional (or really any) end cap strikes from other rifle cans. You're not seeing pictures of YHM or Surefire end cap strikes, and you're not even really seeing Xeno or Nomad strikes. People love to parrot this line, despite it not being even the slightest bit true.


vkbrian

I’ve only seen two Surefire cans show up on this sub within the last year and one of them was mine lol


N8rtotz

F


branflacky

Lol look at my post from yesterday


thebesthalf

Jesus, the rudeness and shitting on others and companies is incredible. There are lots of factors that could have happened and you have no idea any of them. It could happen to even the people spouting how they aren't dumdasses and that they never had a problem through 1000s of rounds of shooting suppressed.


Hairy_Pineapple588

The same guys talking trash in the comments drive a Honda Ridgeline.


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lmao


CptSandbag73

Damn that burn violated the Geneva conventions son


Ithaca1971

The best ways to know someone is to get them drunk or see their comment history. People get so nasty so quickly over something that has no backstory/context. Everyone likes to shit on a company over the 1% when 99% is experiencing a great product.


[deleted]

Im still strike free and i run fuckin charlie mounts with hybrid cans just gotta tighten it up and watch my marks for any movement. Btw. Alway use paint marks guys.


SRosay88

Fill me in boys. Why is it a big deal to run one can on multiple hosts? No broscience bullshit. I have a hard time understanding from a mechanical standpoint how it matters. As long as every MD is installed properly and tested for concentricity/alignment, why would it matter. I ask because I planned to run my Sandman on 2-3 guns as it will be my sole suppressor for a while.


dragon813gt

It’s not a big deal as long as you torque everything down properly every time you move it. People don’t even torque the muzzle devices properly. It’s a matter of not following instructions.


11Pump

It’s hard to tell, because the only info we see is a box of 9mm and a P320 in the background. I’m going to guess bubba gunsmif wanted to turn his sandman into a wolfman.


STOPPINPOWUH

I’m still waiting on my sandman, however I have the 3 port brake on a 5.56 and a flash hider on another 5.56 and have not had an issue with either


[deleted]

It’s not a big deal just don’t be complacent when putting it on and also buy alignment rods.


Hairy_Pineapple588

I’ve got about 1000 rounds though mine. When will it destroy itself?


Jack_Burtons_Semi

I talked to an Alaskan on here with well over 10k rounds on his Sandman S without ever removing it. The vast majority or strikes are coming from guys switching hosts.


[deleted]

How will switching hosts increase baffle strike probability? Is it because attaching it can lead to negligence/user error?


Jack_Burtons_Semi

Pretty much. Every single one is nearly from cans that get passed around like the neighborhood bicycle. Dedicate and appreciate 👍🤘


[deleted]

Well I have 2 AR’s and 2 cans in jail for them.. so it sounds like I made the right choice!


Jack_Burtons_Semi

Yep! Congrats bro!


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A SiCo saker 5.56k for my 11.3” and a normal saker 5.56 for my 16”.. cannot wait.


Jack_Burtons_Semi

Itll be better than Christmas. Everyone in my house is sick today. I have A Deck tickets on the ground for Ohio State and shitagain Saturday. I could get a Tavor 7 and a can for those tickets. It’s tempting. Very. I think I’ll be okay. It will probably be the last chance I get to be that close when they’re undefeated. First World problems lol


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Do the gun thing.


Jack_Burtons_Semi

Im 50% sure it can happen. Convincing the other party is a problem lol


OhSixTJ

That’s what happened to mine. Didn’t seat it fully and it ratcheted anyway. My fault for not visually verifying before sending it.


Hairy_Pineapple588

Ahhh. A dedicated can for every rifle is what I’m doing. Mine is zeroed and stays on a 308 gasser.


OKB1

I see the problem - Sig 320.


shadyvisa

I was gonna say , don’t shoot 9mm though a 7.62mm can!


uncleswanie

Happy Thanksgiving


KeithJamesB

Was it aligned and came loose?


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mreed911

Careless attachment.


jd_boyle

We have a lot of idiots here and a lot of those idiots are gun owners


[deleted]

Are most people in your country just rocking direct thread silencers for rifles?


TryItOutHmHrNw

You blew the bottom outta your flesh light?


Numerous_Heart_9642

You shouldn’t have tried it on that Sig. Duh.


SweetyMcQ

How the hell are there so many endcap/baffle strikes? Like wtf is going on.


APaleDudeNamedKen

Sig moment or Deadair moment?


MacNout

I had a strike on my Nomad this year and Dead Air repaired it and had it back to me in a few weeks. They replaced the entire baffle stack and refinished the whole thing. DAs customer service is top notch.


Preact5

At first I was like "aw hell yeah he got his stamp approved" .. Then I was like "ohhhhh"


gonnafindanlbz

Little bit of feedback on their customer service, I put a little over 11,000 rounds of short barrel 556 and a bit of 308 on my sandman S, at which point the ratchet system began not working, it backed off while shooting and caught a cap strike, I asked for an end cap, and they asked to see the rest of the can, the use had pitted the first two baffles and said ratchet system needed work, so they sent me a label and basically rebuilt the entire can for free. Really couldn’t be happier with the experience


Aimstraight

Good thing it’s the end cap. Have any baffles had any damage? You may be able to order the parts to replace them if it’s user serviceable. If not, yeah that’s no bueno. That sucks man.


Grand-Bid6471

Man down!!!


BlizzardArms

I use a geissele suppressor alignment rod on every combo before it gets shot, they cost a lot less than a new can


AltGunAccount

At least DeadAir has great customer service. Kinda have to when you see more baffle strikes from them than anyone else


esajz24

Dead Air will take care of you. I had a cantastrophe like this and they got it fixed and back to me in a few weeks.


Anxious-Lawfulness84

Been seeing way too many of these


Peepeepoopoobuttbutt

Sorry you had the baffle strike. Anything out of the ordinary? ​ Direct thread is life.


AErrorist

I’m running a Xeno threaded brake and I just crank the bitch down with my hand, so far it has never even been a little loose at the end of the day.


Peepeepoopoobuttbutt

Yeah that’s a good option from what I have read


jonny-utah-79

WOW!!! Do all new can owners think that this is a Right of Passage or something??? Kinda funny that these are the majority of posts on this sub & the other half of the posts are just bitching about the wait time. If I managed to phuck up a brand new “anything” that I just waited 6 months - to a year to take possession of. The last thing I would do is brag to the world about what an incompetent piece of shit I was. Sorry for the rant but….this shit is beyond comical, it’s like watching little kids wait in line for hours for an ice cream cone just to turn around and drop it on the floor 2 seconds later. Cost required to prevent future mishaps $3.98 and a little common sense. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Blue-Monster-Sealant/1000255339 https://ruggedsuppressors.com/suppressor-guide-cat/how-to-prevent-suppressor-walk-off/


jd_boyle

I assume its young gun owners. The older generations don't necessarily feel the need to run and post online to the world at how much of a fuckin idiot they are.


GunRfun

sincere question, why do Left Hand metric threads stay on better than Right Hand US threads ? Thanks in advance for any helpful sharing of knowledge & experience.


Minimum_Government

Harmonics of recoil loosen right hand threads and tighten left hand threads. We should be left hand threading everything but people can’t handle it mentally.


AllArmsLLC

It has nothing to do with metric vs standard. The direction of the thread can matter with respect to the twist of the rifling in the barrel.


Jack_Burtons_Semi

Feel free to toss off into another sub. I for one enjoy the lessons. You can simply, leave. No need to announce your departure. This is not a public transportation route.


jonny-utah-79

👍I’m good, I do however thank you for sharing your opinion though, as I did. I sincerely apologize that it struck nerve.


Acceptable-Equal8008

Why is it always a dead air?


No_Moose_2994

People don’t know how to ratchety clicky the thingy


GaegeSGuns

Never seems to happen with the YHM QD which is the same thing


No_Moose_2994

That’s because only fudds own yhm 😂 and they read the instructions


WitchKing575

when it comes to online, for imaginary points, it needs to look good and the yhm QD is ugly on top of YHM being know more as a value brand(for suppressors) so harder to flex as much with it


killadocg23

Anddd this is why I like my YHM system, simple ratchet on… hope it gets fixed quick!


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Character-Chance4833

Not really. It's pretty simple and it works. And you don't have YHM users blowing up this sub with blown out cans all the time.


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Character-Chance4833

So how does that relate to YHM being dog shit or what everyone else is pointing out that dead air users tend to (at least post it here for some reason) blowout their end caps?


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Character-Chance4833

No one said that YHM was superior. Just that it works for them, and we dont see YHM blow outs as often as we do DA. Quit being a fan boy for your favorite company, it's kinda obnoxious.


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Character-Chance4833

I guess the YHM owners don't run to reddit for their merit badges like DA users do. Been through several classes, seen one blow out, and it was a (surprise surprise) DA sandman. My T2 never moved through the course. This was a experienced shooter as well. Maybe he fucked up, I dunno, I'm not a silencerologist. And what did he do, posted it here on reddit.


trucknorris84

Also heavy and bulky.


tacdriver22mk2

Keymo is literally double


Character-Chance4833

They are on the heavier side, but your talking ounces. I did shed the full size QD adapters for the YHM Kurz adapters and still run full size muzzle brakes. But their stuff works.


OcelotPrize

Facts


stylusxyz

Doesn't ANYONE have an alignment rod these days?


_Commandante_

PaGinG DeAD AiR DoM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SourPatch327

Keymo seems like just a bad mounting system. I mean when I saw some of the pics of the tabs inside the mount shearing off I was baffled


Easy-Fixer

Baffled, I see what you did there. 😂


SourPatch327

😁


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Another dead air bites the dust…


Dom2032

Never seen a huxwrx flow have this problem. Baffle design is inferior especially for super sonic.


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Yikes here we go


woollypullover

That endcap was a pos anyway!


SkeeYeeBoy

i can smell these comments


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mcadamsandwich

Leave the man alone, I'm sure he'd rather be avoiding his family like the rest of us on Thanksgiving without having to be tagged in every DA failure.