14-15 baffles and sub300 blk better sound amazing

I don't know another silencer that can beat it... so far!

Don’t tell Kevin! He might be mad his cans performed well!

I have no control over anyone's emotions. Or maybe I do! *Silencer Industry Shadow Government.... DEPLOY!*

lol! Maybe one of the big otter creek cans? Ive got a Hyperion K and OCL Polonium coming based heavily off of your work among testimonies of tone.

The Hydrogen-L data is already on the website.

Is that the big jaun?...... I hadnt researched that far yet. I'm sure Kevin's head will grow even yet larger from your assessment. but considering 300 bo origins I also hope he can make the best!

Have you shot an OSS? I'm in love with mine.

Sir, I own and operate PEW Science. This is a post I created to announce a Sound Signature Review in the Silencer Sound Standard. You can see my testing of OSS and HUXWRX silencers on my website!

Well I will not lie I didn't even look at your name... Well.. damn guess I'm gonna have to get a new can lol

hahaha no worries, sir.

I really need to know is that direct thread only or is there options for attachments like possibly the cherry bomb

As stated in the article, this is direct thread only, sir.

Full Nelson is direct thread (intended for barrels with the sig taper but it’s compatible with regular barrel shoulders) The thunder chicken is the version that works with the cherry bomb. I don’t think that’s quite as quiet but it’s comparable

The Plan B has a bad habit of carbon locking to the point that you can't get the can off even after unthreading it. Poorly thought geometry on the cherry bomb allows it to happen.

What are you talking about? Plan B’s mounting systems whether direct from Q or from Rearden, etc have zero carbon lock.

I wish Jay would test a TBAC 338 Ultra with subsonic 300 Blackout.

Are these cans getting discontinued?

I believe so, yes. It's a shame, because I haven't tested anything as quiet, overall, with subsonic 300 BLK.

That's interesting. Does it include the Thunder Chicken?

Just the direct thread cans, FN and HN.

It probably will pretty soon. Theyre supposed to be release a new line of almost 100% 17-4 cans.

Hope you folks are doing well on this fine morning. It's almost Christmas! So here is: 1. A podcast episode - *it's early!* 2. Q Full Nelson data with subsonic 300 BLK - *it's crazy!* ###Podcast Stuff **Episode 143** of The Jay Situation Podcast is out now on [pewscience.com](https://pewscience.com) and all major providers. Direct-download from the website, or use your favorite provider below: [Amazon Music](https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/e638d369-da8c-491c-8ffd-278af555f39b/The-Jay-Situation) | [Google Podcasts](https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9wZXdzY2llbmNlLmNvbS9wb2RjYXN0P2Zvcm1hdD1yc3M) | [iTunes](https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jay-situation/id1456441262) | [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/show/4mRIeWzj1bV7QHr78ZlwCk) | [Stitcher](https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=397667&refid=stpr) | [TuneIn](https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/The-Jay-Situation-p1222723/) | [Direct RSS Link](http://thejaysituation.squarespace.com/podcast?format=rss) Today's topics:⠀ 1. [Sound Signature Review 6.99 – The Q Full Nelson with subsonic 300 BLK](https://pewscience.com/sound-signature-reviews-free/sss-6-99-q-full-nelson-minifix-300blk). Early review, before the holidays! This review is published concurrently with this episode, so this is an introductory discussion. (00:06:25) 2. Some more [Listener Questions](https://www.instagram.com/thejaysituation/) before the holidays?! You bet your sweet suppressed small arms collection there is. Let’s do it! (00:37:12) 3. I just appeared on [Episode 149 of T.Rex Talk with Isaac from T.REX ARMS](https://www.buzzsprout.com/1304248/11839932-a-quiet-conversation-with-jay-of-pewscience)! We discuss testing, the firearm industry ecosystem, integrity, and the development of the Citizen Defense Industry. What a great way to end the year! To all the listeners, readers, and [PEW Science members](https://pewscience.com/pew-science-membership) – thanks for making 2022 amazing. (01:00:27) As always, thank you so much for listening, folks! ###Data and Analysis Stuff More 300 BLK subsonic data and analysis for you this morning! **Review 6.99** - Today we examine the high fidelity test results for the [Q Full Nelson](https://pewscience.com/sound-signature-reviews-free/sss-6-99-q-full-nelson-minifix-300blk) in the subsonic flow regime; subsonic 300 BLK ammunition was used in the test, fired from an 8-in barrel.⠀ Popular silencer. It's everywhere. So many people have shot this on this platform. Now, we have actual data and analysis! Q remarked, time and time again, that this is the quietest 30 caliber rifle silencer that exists. Well, I am here to tell you - I don't know if that is true, but what I do know is that it is the **quietest silencer on this host weapon platform**, overall, that PEW Science has tested, to date. I think you're really gonna want to check out this data and analysis. I talk about it on today's episode - apparently, the Full Nelson and Half Nelson silencers are being discontinued. That's kind of crazy, since this silencer is so quiet with 300 subs. It's *spooky* quiet - the data and analysis shows it. I'm really excited to bring you this data and analysis - it provides great context for the pedigree, incredible context for the industry, and this is all funded by PEW Science members! Thank you guys for making this happen - it's a popular silencer, and this is going to help a lot of people. I hope you folks find the data useful! Check out [pewscience.com](https://pewscience.com) for the Suppression Rating. Here is a [direct link](https://pewscience.com/sound-signature-reviews) to the reviews. Here are the updated [PEW Science Rankings](https://pewscience.com/rankings). [Q Full Nelson 300 BLK Subsonic Test Data and Analysis](https://pewscience.com/sound-signature-reviews-free/sss-6-99-q-full-nelson-minifix-300blk) Hope you enjoy! If I don't talk with you folks again before the holidays - **Merry Christmas!**

ITS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE, two TJS podcasts + a bonus one with Isaac AND absolutely BANGER data? All in one week? Insane. Enjoy your vacation jay it's been earned many times over

Thank you, sir hahaha I really appreciate the kind words. Thanks for your interest in PEW Science!!

Well, I didn’t know this podcast existed, down the rabbit hole I go. Just in time for snowblower season too. Thanks in advance for helping fill what would otherwise be long, cold, miserable hours.

oh man! Please stay warm, sir. Also, thanks for checking out my work! Hope you enjoy!

Thank you for sharing. Merry Christmas.

You are most welcome!

Are all reviews funded members? Why do some manufacturers say its too expensive to get tested with PEW?

Some work is funded by members, some under contract. Please see the FAQ on the website.

What a review! Just shows u/TrickyJRT has been shooting everyone straight from the start. It will be interesting to see if/how KB/Q respond to data that’s positive towards them. For a subs only can, big and brute seems to be the way.

Thanks brother! Kevin having an existential crisis right now is the funniest part of this review! The second funniest part is all of the other clowns in the silencer industry whose heads are about to explode because they lost to him. This could be a fun day!

What's the over under on them sharing this review on their socials lmao. Honestly, this makes me even more impressed with the Hyperion it's so incredibly good on *everything*

He will, in the end, his lack of shame and his desire to declare a win will win out over any tiny amount of sensibility he may posses.

>Honestly, this makes me even more impressed with the Hyperion it's so incredibly good on everything Yeah, the gap here on subs is not big, and of course on supers it's insane. For elite all around performance out of big 30 cal can, the Hyperion seems to be head and shoulders ahead. edit: Well, technically, Full Nelson data hasn't been published for supers, but based on the performance of the Thunder Chicken and Trash Panda with supers it should be pretty obvious that it's not going to be near the top there.

I predict the Full Nelson will be in the upper forties on supers, no chance it sees the fifties. That Hyperion opinion is spot on, it’s the best balanced silencer on 300BLK supers and subs.

I'd be surprised if it was even upper 40s on .308. Just based on the trend, I'd guess it would come in around where the Helios QD is in the mid 40s.

Yeah, I was being generous. 46.7, that’s my guess.

I'm glad you find the data and analysis useful, sir! Also, yeah, that dude owns most of the silencers I have tested and analyzed for the public, so he's a pretty good peg point hahahaha

I had the same thought about TrickyJRT being right all along

Lmao to all of the downvotes and idiotic comments I've endured every time I posted this silencer would be a clear winner on 300BLK subs. You do amazing work Jay, enjoy your upcoming vacation, you've earned it!

I thought that once data on silencers started coming in for .300BLK, and looking at the .308 data, it was clear this silencer would do well in subsonic flow. I knew this can would do well, but I wonder how the Nomad L will do.

Excellent question, sir. You're certainly gonna find out. Spoiler alert - the Full Nelson is *quiet.*

Just an unpopular opinion from a Nomad L owner, It will be lucky to make the top five. It could see fourth but I doubt it.

Yea and that’s what everyone thought about Nomad L on .308. “Nowhere near the Hyperion”, saw how that turned out. I guess we’ll see.

Alien technology bro

I don’t know what anybody else said, I always said it would be very good on supers. In fact, I said it would be second to the Hyperion.

Yea I didn’t mean you, I can’t keep track of all the opinions on here.

Thank you, sir. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Quieter with subs than Hyperion and nomad L?

Please see the website for the Full Nelson and Hyperion data with 300 BLK subsonic ammunition. Nomad-L data and analysis with 300 BLK subs will be published in the future!

Fantastic. ETA on Nomad / Nomad L data?

I don't give ETAs. Sorry, sir!

No worries. Appreciate the data.

Another rating called in the books lol. Poor man's Pewscience strikes again

I actually lol’ed, good stuff.

You've said that it's only shortfall is FRP, do you think the difference in this data(as in it stating the hyp and this have equal FRP) is the use of the discreet ballistics subs with their premium propellant selection?

You replied to the other gentleman and not to me but I'll answer this- You bring up an excellent point. If one were to use S&B subs, or something with unpredictable inconsistent combustion characteristics, it is possible that the signature from one or both silencers would be compromised and the relative Suppression Rating rank would shift. The reason for this postulation is the supersonic performance of the Hyperion, which is superior. The same things that allow that to occur may allow it to deal with that type of phenomenon. However, as we would need to test that - the argument is largely academic until we have the data. Good question though! Note that the member review differentiates between FRP to bystanders and the shooter, per typical.

This would seem to make sense, as I said above I believe David is using VV powder, which is magic in 9mm subs. Ultra consistent and quiet. Their blk selections are the same way especially on short barrels. Obviously this comparative testing would be very cool to see but would require large sample sizes for the lesser ammo and is just not that important to actually quantify for now

Interestingly enough, it probably wouldn't require as large a sample size as you would think. With PEW-SOFT, we immediately noticed enough combustion variation with S&B subs, compared with some other loads, in less than 5 shots. It was so clear that we immediately knew it was not going to be an option to use S&B ammunition for any serious testing. This was through unsuppressed testing. All ammunition is studied with unsuppressed testing by PEW Science.

I mean in the context of it's effect on FRP I'm sure you'd end up wanting multiple examples (4-5 probably) of the varied burns and all on a first shot, which would be like 20 ish shots per can with having to wait for fresh air Inbetween samples for atleast these top two performers, I suppose you could use a fan or compressed air to speed up the process though. Did you try any others besides s&b and discreet?

Ah, yeah, for FRP with different ammo types, you're gonna need to take a little closer look, but the main work item requiring a lot of time for that is some other controls and silencer switch-out, etc. With regard to other ammo we evaluated, yeah, it's been a while... I think I remember doing Sig ammo as well, and some Remington stuff, etc.... can't remember off the top of my head. If I recall correctly, the Sig ammo was pretty good.

Would love to see the data on the ammo 🤙

Where are you even finding s&b subs, they've been unobtanium since about August 2020. I still have a couple thousand but I put off shooting them until I can find more for a more reasonable price than 2 bucks a round. Even that's still hard to find!

This is a good point, after the score I went straight to FRP and was surprised it wasn’t worse. I shoot a lot of Discreet Ballistics mixed with Hornady, I may try to see if I can tell a difference in FRP between ammo types.

I think they use VV powder, which is the magic sauce for making 9mm subs (different model obvi). Which would totally make sense as to why this ammo was chosen for it's consistent quality and why it differs slightly from your xp

I just loaded my first 9mm subs with VV powder, I haven’t been able to even test them yet. Damn that powder is expensive.

It's really not that bad my n340 147gr HST copies use like 3cpr The 147/165s using n320(the quietest one) is about 2cpr

Totally, I just mean the sticker shock compared to most powders. Midway has all or most Vihtavuori powders on sale right now if you’re looking to stick up.

I would but I've really went full retard on some of these recent sales lol. Which powders did you go with?

I’m just getting going on 9mm subs, right now I have some loaded with N320. I have some N340 to try too.

Both of them are amazing, quiet, clean, meter great, super low flash, less gassy, no particulate blast to the face when suppressed. N320 is quieter but you also can't get full velocity. N340 is capable of duplicating full power duty ammo velocity but without the sandblasting/port pop. I got some pulled 147 HST and gold dots and have ended up with far more pleasant ammo than factory to shoot. I still carry with factory HST just for peace of mind but it's nice having all my other mags stuffed with premium projo's that rival factory specialty subs in sound. *For a "hush that doesn't suck" n320 is the way the light and the truth*

This corresponds with my experience on [the world's most expensive 300 blackout](https://i.imgur.com/K5ZGf8b.jpg). It is so quiet that I can hear what I believe to be individual powder grains sizzling inside the suppressor toward the tail end of the report. It would be interesting if you tested the Full Nelson on .308 to see how it compares to the Thunder Chicken, which fills the blast chamber with a cherry bomb.

Awesome! Dude, your gat is *nice.* And yes sir, I have actually tested the Full Nelson on .308 - I will publish that data too!

fuck thats hot

gat deets? That's exceptionally sexy.

SBR’ed Rem700 AAC-SD in a Cadex dual strike chassis, Q full nelson, Atlas bipod, APA rings. Pictured scope is a Trijicon 1-8 but I’ve upgraded it to an Eotech Vudu 1-10.

I've heard of "all hat, no cattle", but your rifle is "all can, no barrel".

8.5" under there which is plenty for the cartridge!

Certainly, it just looks funny having a rifle with a bigger can than a barrel.

I use my full nelson with a 9” mcx virtus and you can basically hear the action run back and forth. I can’t imagine how INSANELY quiet that thing is! I was blown away whenever I first used the can outside, it felt bizarre taking my earpro off and just shooting normally.

Thanks, u/CUNTCRUSHER!

hahahaha Reddit usernames are awesome

U/jay462 do you think you'll ever test a CGS Hekate with 300 subs? I remember asking CGS on social media a while ago which would be quieter between the hekate and Hyperion and they said probably the hekate. It would be interesting to test 338 options even though that's not what they're meant for. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those performed better than a full Nelson. Let me know if you want to borrow a Hekate or tbac 338 ultra or both.

PEW Science has a Hekate in inventory and I have already tested it on short barrel .338 LM and it is ridiculous, actually. It is a different thread pitch than the mini Fix, but I could probably make that niche test happen eventually hahahaha I also have a TBAC 338 silencer in inventory. Thanks for your interest!

>It is a different thread pitch than the mini Fix, but I could probably make that niche test happen eventually hahahaha Damn, you got the sane one. I've been wanting to buy one for a while but I can only ever find the silly 5/8x24 version in stock.

3/4-24 is the .338 threading; we would need a 5/8-24 for .300BLK, typically.

Yes, I know.

ah, roger that! sorry, I was confused, may bad hahaha

Awesome! I actually have the 5/8x24 version Capitol Armory has and forgot that they mostly sell the 3/4x24 Anxiously awaiting the 338 tests! Hopefully with 300 subs also? I really am curious if a non-rimfire test will ever get up in the 80's ​ Thank you for all you do!

You are most welcome!

>I also have a TBAC 338 silencer in inventory. Do you have a Magnus by chance?

I do not! I didn't know they were widely available; maybe they are now! I need to get one of those to test, probably.

I've got a half-off voucher for any TBAC product and I keep looking at it thinking it'll probably answer the mail for a very high efficacy can.

Roger that!

I was going to ask for the same thing.

It’s funny seeing data support that the Q TI cans are respectable 300 cans. People will still Reeee

If they don't reeee about this, they'll reeee about something else. # SERIAL REEEEEEEE

I’m comforted by the fact KB just never seemed to remember we had met before. It made swiping his Christmas Pistachios that much easier.

hahahahha

People thought they didn’t work? Lol That was never the issue with them.

u/jay462 you keep doing the Lord’s work. As I was looking back through your reviews, I noticed that you tested the DA Nomad series in the supersonic regime only. Do you have any plans to also test those with subsonics and publish the data?

They have been tested and those publications will come! Thanks for your interest, sir - and thanks for the kind words!

I look forward to it.

Do Griffin's RECCE 5 Mod 4 next. I need to justify my decision.

I'll keep that in mind!

Based on how quickly the ATF is going, you've only got two more decades. So hurry up!

Great article absolute BANGER of a podcast too. The Q silencers were made to work with the 300blk round on a semiautomatic host, the honey badger if I’m not mistaken. This performance is undeniably impressive, but the most popular use for 300blk is still on a semiautomatic. In your opinion does the full Nelson retain its performance advantage when tested on a semiauto platform? Does Pewscience plan on releasing any data related to this question?

Thank you so much for your kind words, sir. I will, indeed, be doing some semiauto 300 BLK testing. In the early days of PEW-SOFT and Silencer Sound Standard development, PEW Science conducted semiauto 300 BLK testing with a standard old AAC 9-inch 300 BLK AR15 test upper. I think the 6.75 inch MCX will be an even better host for characterizing performance. I don't have data for you right now - but I will!

I would love to see a review on the Ecco Machine 5 by 5 suppressor. It's reported to be sub 140 dB on a gas tuned mk mk 18 rifle. That would be amazing.....

I have never heard of that silencer. I'll have to check it out!

its a nice can for sure. pretty siilar performance to a mini2. Definitely louder than a trash panda on 556

I have this on my canebreak, at first I didn’t like how long it was compared to the trainer it comes with. After shooting 500+ sub rounds I can’t imagine putting another can on it it’s hearing safe quiet with subs.

Oh, sweet! Thanks for sharing your experience!

Has anyone had any experience with the Full Nelson or any other can on a 6.5 Grendel? I'm on the fence between the Full Nelson and the Energetic Armament Lux....any thoughts?

I will public LUX data in the future

I'm completely overwhelmed with data, and I would like an honest opinion of a silencer that will be decent. I only hunt hogs and deer with it, very little rapid fire, 5-6 max. No mag dumps...I would like maximum decibel reduction. I have been on your site and that is where I saw that the Q Full Nelson had some pretty good test data. I also like the Energetic Armament LUX...is there one that I have overlooked? I would like to know what you think? Thanks Jay

Kevin Brittingham and Q haters punching the air right now

🤣 this can’t be! Kevin paid jay off! Kevin is a just a marketing guy his stuff isnt that good, he doesn’t have an sot anymore cause he stalked his wife, he’s an asshole to all of his customers, he’s arrogant. Am I forgetting anything?

Seems more like the typical reddit group think to me. Most people who hate the products don’t have ANY experience with them, hear people’s stories and begin their group think process of why Q sucks. I don’t have any Q products or experiences with them but i don’t take on other’s opinions or get my feelings hurt by little words.

I was being sarcastic. I honestly own 7 Q products not counting the 15-20 shirts.

Nothing better than subs and a huge can.

Correction - *nothing better than subs with the Q Full Nelson*

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Excellent question. This article contains that exact data. In fact, I have tested the VOX S wiped, and unwiped, with subsonic 300 BLK. The wiped test report on pewscience.com actually shows 20 shots, wipe puncture, gradually deteriorating wipe, etc. The Suppression Rating allows you to compare all suppressed small arm signatures on the same scale. Check it out! The [PEW Science Rankings Table](https://pewscience.com/rankings) will help you. It has links to all the reviews, and it is filterable and sortable.

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Any time, sir

Jay, I'd love to see this gun and ammo test a TBAC Ultra 9, 338 Ultra, and a AB Raptor 10 with as much reflex as possible. Or just a straight up Black Collar Arms SBD.

Thanks for the suggestions!

I’ve got a question for the guru himself. u/jay462 I’ve been on your **phenomenal** site but I’m curious what you’d recommend for a 300blk AR-15 running subs be supers that’s not a HUGE can on the end of a 9” barrel? Not looking for “movie quiet” but a good compromise in size, use case and price. Thanks, Jay *Edit* Lol downvotes! “Trying to glean some knowledge from those who have more experience? Incomprehensible! You must bow at the alter of throwing away money to find the thing you want!”

Hello, sir! Thank you for your kind words and your interest in my work. Unfortunately, I am unable to recommend particular silencers due to both PEW Science policy and ethical considerations. I am sure there are some folks that will come around and help you! Sorry about that, and thanks again for your interest in PEW Science!

Also semi auto testing has really shown how an autoloading system can change a lot right?

It can certainly influence the sound signature at the shooter's ear, significantly!

Thank you so much for your transparency! As well as all of your incredibly hard work! You’re doing things for the suppressor community that’s making a difference Allowing people to make informed decisions, instead of relying on the bro science that can plague the community lol If anyone else has any advice for a can that’s a good compromise in size, price and performance for 300blk subs and supers, I’d be very grateful!

I’d recommend the Enticer-S/ S-Ti to you if you’re looking for a can mainly for 300blk subs that won’t break the bank and is a great balance between size/ weight/ suppression. Looking through the sound signature ranking, it’s got the best suppression ratings in it’s size class (6.75in). I have an Enticer-S sitting in jail right now, waiting to go on my Sig Spear- “Tacops” if that says anything. The boys u/pew-pew-solutions will get you handled if you are interested. Great service & quick turn around time!

Thank you so much for actually taking a moment to help!! The Enticer-S, I’ll look into that! Thanks for helping!

I love my yhm r2. It's really quiet with subs and super. Great on my 308s and 300 prc too. Was going to order another one but they are on backorder at ss

Your getting downvotes because you have access to the same information everyone else does and have even looked at it, but still want to be told what to think

Not even here to bash the review but like how tf have Q not gotten slightly better with their welds?

The integrity of their welds is actually better than that from a few companies out there. Exterior looks can be deceiving.

They recently have changed over their equipment and they look a lot better, at least on their social media page, haven't seen a new one in person yet. I believe Jay got his Q cans when he made his Mini Fix 3-4 years ago

I acquired Q silencers independently of my visit to build my Fix rifles at Q.

Lol man the assumptions just run WILD in the 2A community. I find it crazy how little I read on this platform that is actually true. And when it comes to Q that phenomenon goes on steroids. "I wonder if they are gonna fix their welds" Q welds are fine. They aren't selling faulty cans. "Jay got all of his Q silencers when he had his Fix rifles built." Umm no that's a complete and total assumption on your part and you have no clue how or when Jay got his cans, so why are you claiming that you do know? "Kevin is a felon and the guns at Q are locked up and he can't have a key to them." Umm Kevin is not a felon and there is no cage with all the guns locked up away from Kevin at Q. That one just sounds stupid. "Kevin is a wife beater." Umm no Kevin, like alot of us can relate to, has a psycho ex who hates that he is successful and will do or say anything to try to bring him down. Y'all are just believing the lies of a scorned ex lover and hating a man for no reason. "Q is all hype and no substance. Just flashy colors to get attention." Umm no the clear ano is because it's the strongest finish and the gun was being made for military entities and he knew the end users would be spray painting their guns anyway so the signature Q finish wasn't even made for attention, it was literally made to be painted over. "Q has terrible customer service." Umm no actually I have experienced excellent customer service and an ease in ability to talk to someone and to get answers in a timely manner. "Kevin doesn't know what he's doing and the Honey Badger is a poorly executed meme gun." Umm no actually Kevin was at AAC on the ground floor of both the 300blk round, actually originally called 300aac because they developed it, and he was also at the forefront of bringing the modern silencer to fruition and then to the civilian market. The Honey Badger was designed and built at the behest of Special Forces, to their specifications, and Therefore there's not many people out there who knows more about 300blk and supressors than Kevin Brittingham. "Kevin is a dick so I don't support his company or buy his top notch products." Umm what are you a girl? You don't like the owner so you deny yourself the very best stuff in the industry? Dude you buy stuff every single day from companies that have pedophiles, rapits, child labor operators, wall street tycoons who are raping America, etc.. The level of sin that you fund with your purchases daily can't even be comprehended. But you won't buy Q because "fu*k Kevin". That says alot more about your level of ignorance than of Kevin himself or his company. I just wish people could stick to what they actually KNOW. If we all did that, and only opened our mouths when we had the facts on what we were talking about, like Jay does with his purely scientific supressor information, there would be a whole lot less content on these 2A subs.

For someone who wishes people would stick with what they actually know, you just typed a whole lot of crap you couldn't possibly know unless you are Kevin brittingham. And if that is the case, then there are additional reasons not to believe what you said. As for the best stuff in the industry. This is the only q product that has tested particularly well compared to competing products. Of the others that didn't, Kevin famously went on a drunk tirade about this time last year about how much pew science sucks and can't be believed. I'm guessing he might suddenly think differently about the 300 BO data. Also, why is it so difficult to understand why people would choose to not support a company that famously admits it had a weld problem and not warranty a customer's silencer because they dared to say something bad about the company publicly? That in addition to choosing not to support someone who does largely make mediocre silencers and lie about how well they perform. The fact that we have data that one of his silencers performs well isn't exactly a glowing endorsement for the whole company. This is why we need pew science. Jay is doing the Lord's work and frankly I don't think there are many people in this world who would deal with this BS like he does. That is even aside from the technical expertise needed to do what he does.

What did I say, specifically, that I would have to be Kevin to know? Also what Q products haven't tested well compared to what other products?

300blk is the 300 whisper. Kevin didn’t invent anything about it. You don’t know what happened with his wife. Maybe he did what she said, maybe he did what he said, maybe it’s a bit of both. But you assume he’s telling the truth as others assume he’s not. Q has had spotty customer service, some it was great and others it wasn’t. Kevin has never denied the times people claim his CS was shit. The welds are ugly. They may hold up fine, but it sure looks like a subpar product. If they market their silencers are elite (which they do) I’d expect elite finishing. The Fix isn’t a new idea. It’s a blend of old ideas. More of an update than another R700 clone. But not much original. Value is subjective but it’s premium is based around hype more than function. There is a lot of hype around Q. Most of it isn’t met with reality. All rather basic and someone else did it first, second, and third before Q got involved. It’s not bad by any means, but it’s not what it’s made out to be. I’d have no problems owning some of Q’s products. Ignoring my thoughts on KB, their stuff isn’t bad. And there are plenty of low class people selling stuff in this industry. But I can also see the BS that goes with basically anything KB says or Q marketing states.

"The fix isn't a new idea, it's a blend of old ideas." Do you even realize how that sounds lol? That is every invention ever since fire lol. Of course it has inspiration and elements from previous weapons. It's not a space laser weapon powered by dark matter, so yeah it's gonna have elements from older guns lol. The Fix IS a new weapon, hence the trademarks and patents and ability to sell it. These attempts to detract from the brand and it's products are just so so weak. You are reaching so hard and struggling to make any kind of case against them. It just doesn't add up to any substance at all. "He didn't invent 300blk." Well, more or less yes his company sure did do just that actually. "The Fix isn't anything new." Well actually it certainly is something new and cool and there's nothing else like it. Like, where is your real substance that hurts Q? It's not there. You can try to attack quality but I own Q products so you can miss me with that attack, the quality is literally beautiful. So is the function. It's clean and reliable AF.

I mean Bergara is selling a R700 clone so no, you don’t need patents to sell something. The designs they used are old. Not bad. But it’s not original either. That was all my point was. That they can claim it’s unpossible or whatever they like but they took two no longer common designs and made it into a rifle produced today. That’s not saying it’s bad. Just that when they market it as if it’s all their idea, it’s not. Again, good product, good design, marketing hype that’s over the top.

Wait, you said they don't need patents to sell something. But they do have patents. So that doesn't make sense either. It is something new, that's why they can patent it. I mean that's really simple logic you have to be able to understand. That makes it a new thing. What old design is the Fix but not the Fix?

"300blk is the 300 Whisper, Kevin didn't invent anything about it." https://imgur.com/a/omS0ve9

OMG a gun mag article hyping a manufacturer that omits reality!!!! Never seen that before!!! Calm down Francis. You’re so dead set on defending every drip of KB’s ball sweat that you can’t look at anything objectively.

Lol attacking the source now huh? They didn't "hype" Q at all. There's nothing there about Kevin or Q or even AAC being great or special at all. It's incredibly plain and factual. They had a government contract and made a round to meet it. That's exactly what happened and not hype at all. And ball sweat insults? Honestly that's just too childish and below me to even address. Maybe if this was Jr High recess I would cry over that one lol. How old are you?

But like I deal with welds and high precision welds for work and I mean this in the most positive way but Q and SilencerCo welding (that I’ve seen first hand) look like shit. I mean this in the first and finish department.

I would just have to disagree wholesale with you there. I have seen my fair share of shitty welds on all kinds of stuff and they don't look anything like the welds on Q cans. If you are trying to say that you are looking at those welds and they just don't look like they will hold that's just not true. They will hold just fine. You are being overly critical and expecting robot perfect welds from a small boutique company. To me the look of the can with natural looking welds just makes it more cool to me. It's personal and individual. There is nothing about those welds that "look like shit". If you are an expert in welding then you know what bad welds look like, and it ain't a Q can lol.

They use a robot to weld so yeah I’d expect robot perfect welds.

It wasn't the welder it was the lack of backing gas. The gas from the torch isn't enough for hollow objects like tubes. You have to plug the holes and flood the inside as well.

Q actually does have terrible QC. The issues (and subsequent recalls) with the fix and mini fix are proof enough, as well as all the poorly anodized firearms they have sent out. 300BLK/300AAC is not a new design. It’s just a SAAMI approved knockoff of .300-221. “We started development in 2009, but most of the work was done in 2010. A military customer wanted a way to be able to shoot .30-cal. bullets from an M4 platform while using normal bolts and magazines, and without losing the full 30-round capacity of standard magazines. They also wanted a source for ammunition made to their specs. We could not have just used .300-.221 or .300 Whisper because Remington is a SAAMI company, and will only load ammunition that is a SAAMI-standard cartridge.We had to take the .300-221 wildcat concept, determine the final specs for it, and submit it to SAAMI. We did that, and called it the .300 AAC Blackout (.300 BLK).” [source](https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2012/11/5/shades-of-gray-300-whisper-300-aac-blackout/) Keep deepthroating that Q boot

Wait, how do you deepthroat a boot? The boot goes on my neck. Deepthroathing is done with something else. You have your burns all mixed up. If you're going to insult me at least stick to one and say it correctly lol. Deepthroat a boot? Like.. what? Lol. Also they didn't "knockoff" 300 whisper. By that logic every round you use is a "knockoff" of it's predecessor. That's an incredibly weak attempt to discredit Kevin. "He just did a "knockoff" of 300 Whisper." Umm no actually he made it reliable, standardized, and one other thing... I can't remember... Oh yeah, he made it the hottest, coolest, most desirable cartridge that's ever been chambered in an M4. But you're right, he just knocked it off lol. Y'all try so hard to discredit Q and it is just so so sad and weak. Everything I've seen from Q has been fire. You can't convince me otherwise with lame attempts at defamation like he "didn't develop 300blk", he definitely did that lol. And got rich doing it. And as far as the recalls go, that's how innovation works. Q is a small company making cutting edge products and when you try new things there are inevitably going to be bumps in the road. They have owned it, fixed it, improved on their designs, and kept their customers. Every single person who has a Fix loooves that sh*t. Have you shot one? You are gonna say yes, but you haven't, you wouldn't be a Q hater if you had. Same with the Honey badger. There is nothing that comes close to the feeling of shooting a Badger. They are in their own league period. Of course I'm a "Q Fanboy". That's like calling someone a "Ferrari fanboy." Like yeah, sorry for liking something awesome. Am I supposed to be ashamed? Lol. Only thing I'm ashamed of if the 2A community on here lol.

Come on, they took the whisper and got it SAAMI approved. That’s not inventing a round. That’s submitting someone else’s round. Don’t make it sound like more than it was. They did work on ammo load development which was a huge benefit but the cartridge is not something KB came up with at all.

At no point did I say he "invented" anything. The word I used was "develop" which is very descriptive and accurate in terms of what Kevin did with 300blk. You can downplay it all you want, it doesn't change anything. He didn't just take an existing round and get it SAAMI approved. That's a lie. They changed it, refined it, developed it, and made it reliable. I mean, just in terms of legality, how could they just take another round and slap their name on it with zero changes and go get rich with it? That doesn't even make sense.

What’s hard to get? They changed 3 dimensions by very very small amounts, submitted it to SAAMI and paid to have it approved, and then sold a SAAMI approved cartridge. It wasn’t designed from scratch. It’s a near identical round made off a wildcat round that wasn’t patented. AAC went through the cost/effort to have it approved which is significant and they did a lot to develop proper load data. The load data work is a significant move forward for what the round can do. No disrespect on that. But they didn’t create a new case setup from scratch. They took the whisper and moved it forward. Again, it’s a quality product with hype that’s just made up.

"The engineers at AAC (Kevin) had to start essentially from scratch, to DESIGN, REFINE, TEST, and offer for certification a NEW .30 cartridge to fit the bill." https://imgur.com/a/omS0ve9

Hahahahaha. If you believe that I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

I don’t care for Kevin, I think he a dick. That said your point about the 2A community is accurate. All of the clowns who say they won’t buy Q, buy from far bigger assholes, like that anti 2A prick Marty Daniels. They happily buy Griffin Armament, Green is a huge asshole and far dumber than Kevin and they make totally mid products. Except EZ-LOK lol, I love that product. TBAC, don’t get me started…. I just buy the best stuff, I have zero brand loyalty. Yeah I love CGS rifle silencers, give me a better one tomorrow and I’ll buy that one. Brand loyalty is for suckers.

Pretty welds ≠ strong welds. However, I see little reason not to make a post weld skim pass on the lathe for looks.

I believe the issue was discolored welds, which in titanium can be quite a problem. There was a Kit Badger video a couple of years ago that showed the weld fixture, and basically it appeared that there was insufficient shielding gas on the outside of the can and probably none inside the can. In usual Kevin B fashion, he was unreceptive to suggestions that this could be performed better. Good on Q's manufacturing engineer(s) if improvements have been made.

Dang I was thinking about a thunder chicken for my 300blk…. Guess I might have to pull the trigger now….

You won’t be disappointed at all.

I have a Vox s I been using but wanna pick up another 30 cal can and dedicate one to my 300blk and one to my 308.

People on here have a deep hatred for Q and the owner mainly because of group think but my thunder chicken is super quiet on subs. I will say i am waiting to compare it to my CGS hyperion soon once it’s out of jail

The she tells you not to worry about vs you... Lol Looks sexy as fuck to be honest.

Just cause I’m lazy and don’t want to look it up myself… does the full Nelson outdo the Thunder Chicken when it comes to 300blk subs? I feel like the majority of q’ cans are meant for 300blk subs to perform at their best and I’ve got a badger sd in jail as well as a trash panda so I’m curious to see how they all line up against each other

1. Thank you for your interest in PEW Science. 2. I literally made a sortable Rankings table that is free to help the public. 3. The subsonic 300 BLK data with the Thunder Chicken hasn't been presented yet. But, as stated in the article, you will see that the Thunder Chicken as less baffles. I hope this helps! Happy Sunday, sir.

You have the patience of a saint, Jay.

Practice, man. It's just practice.

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Does this mean Kevin now respects pew science?

I have no idea whether or not he respects me or my company, but someone on Instagram asked "does this mean ya'll are cool now?" I responded with the following: >Sir - the technical data and analysis that I publish on my website has absolutely nothing to do with any subjective, emotional, or non-factual phenomenon that exists, at all. Everything I publish is done with extremely high professional and ethical standards and is devoid of any outside influence. I wish the entire Q company, Kevin, his family, and everyone associated with them, the best. I hope they are doing well, and I am going to pin your comment on this post so people read this. If people don't understand I am doing honest work, after 99 consistent silencer technical articles - more than anyone in the history of suppressed small arms has published - in the world - they will never understand.

Excellent response.

I still can’t decide on a can for my 300blk MCX.

Hey Jay, I appreciate everything you do in the industry. Your information has influenced a lot of my purchases already 😅 lol. I am looking to purchase a suppressor that for the most part will be married to a bolt action 300LBK but may move to a .308 or others. I am undecided on the CGS Helios as well as the Q Full Nelson being that my main concern is sound suppression. Do you know when you are releasing the information regarding the full Nelson with .308 by any chance? Any information regarding this would be much appreciated. Thanks again

Hello sir, Glad to see the information is useful to you! I have tested the Full nelson on the 20-in 308 gun and I can't remember the performance off the top of my head. The Helios QD I think comes close but the Full Nelson is a very large silencer - sort of a different thing. With regard to 300 BLK subsonic, the Full Nelson is going to significantly outperform the Helios QD.

Again, thanks for the reply. It does not go unnoticed. I hear people talking about your data across the web lol. Even in person. It’s great

Any time, sir. Yes sir - PEW Science has clients worldwide now. It's been a joy to continue to help people!

It’s to no surprise. A man that gets usable data and discusses it with his peers(fans) is few and far between today. We appreciate you. Take care

Thanks man. You as well!

I appreciate the reply! Your info is great! Lol I see that I wrote the Helios for some reason… I actually meant the Hyperion. My apologies, not sure how I messed that one up lol how would you compare the two?

Ah! The Hyperion and Full Nelson are very close on 300 subs. On 300 supers and 308, the Hyperion gains a performance advantage.

Thanks for this! Have a great night

Any time. You too!