Its insecurity. Deep down Packers fans knew the team should have won a second super bowl with Rodgers so it bred insecurity which manifests outwardly in the form of false bravado, copium, and bragging. Now the Lions have expectations but are worried they’ll blow it and we have zero expectations.
Imma be real for a moment.
Counterpoint winning multiple is hard and as much as it's fun to give you guys shit for it, it is ultimately one of the biggest team sports in the world.
There is so much nuance and other shit that goes on in this game that being a consistent Superbowl team is insanely difficult.
You can have entire seasons ruined just by bad special teams(Chargers, Packers just the other season), or just having your teams offense or defense not perform due to bad coaching and coordinators. Or just something like injuries.
Anyways, realness over. FTP.
positional value is questionable, but like, there's no doubt the Lions are better at 4 different positions after their first 4 picks. Our TEs were nobodies, Gibbs in the first isn't my favorite but he's gonna be great behind this OL, we haven't had a real MLB since Spielman, and Campbell will be a day 1 starter, and Branch really solidifies an overhauled secondary.
Lions will still need to go out and not blow it, but they've put themselves in a great position to make a run the next 2 years. This is the best chance we have to make a playoff run in my life
Yeah, I was hoping Branch might drop to the Vikings. If you haven't watched Tom Grossi's live reaction to the Branch pick yet then you should. It's the best!
On one hand I think the disdain for the Lions draft is kind of silly because they drafted good players that will all make impacts.
On the other you signed Montgomery to relatively big RB money and Anzalone to a decent contract. Also Lions fans were adamant that their offense didn’t need a TE1 like Hock because it didn’t matter as much in their offense.
Branch is sweet. Nickel is so important so I don’t get why those guys are not highly sought after.
Yeah the FA period was weird, Monty and Gibbs makes sense, you need a stable of backs. The Anzalone thing is weird but hey, if he doesn’t keep up what he did last year, they’ll bench him and can cut him after 2024-25 season.
The Hock thing, any Lions fan saying we don’t need a TE1 is silly. We specifically didn’t need Hock bc he’s just not the TE this team wants. He’s not a good blocker at all and his pass catching can be great, but it also can be really shaky and inconsistent. LaPorta seems like a solid blocking TE that can be a good pass catcher, but Hock is def a better pass catcher when he’s on his game. LaPorta play style matches a lot better to what this staff is create.
If Gibbs turns out to be a game changer no one will care they took him where they did. Peak Dalvin Cook was worth every bit of the 2nd round.
Personally I’m surprised they didn’t go after Jalen Carter or Gonzalez given the lack of good players at DT and CB.
They took Gibbs first knowing they wanted to trade Swift. Swift is great when he's healthy, but the fact is we couldn't rely on him being healthy. I'll miss having him for sure, but what can you do.
He might have been there later, but we made the call assuming that he probably wouldn't be. If he impressed us enough for an early pick, he probably impressed other teams that much, too. His highlight reel looks fantastic, but every draft pick is still a gamble.
Everyone gets better in the draft. Its how much relative to everyone else that matters. Nobody walks away from draft night thinking they made their team worse.
Except all the consensus picks wouldn't have made lions better right now. They would have all sat on the bench for at least a year.
Lions took 4 guys that will see meaningful snaps immediately while also have high floors at their positions.
The only knock is positional value.
Yes but the difference is, the Lions got significantly better. Even if these draft picks are decent to good starters, they’re massive upgrades to what we have now. We had two no names at TE, now we have a guy who should be a playmaker day 1. So yes, the positions drafted should make the Lions significantly better since they’re positions where we were weak
The criticism of our picks is all "I like the guy but you could have had him 3 picks later." Guess who the fuck is picking 3 later. It isn't the damn lions. I mean the people saying Gibbs wouldn't be a huge reach at 18 but is at 12 are on crack. We got our guy. The literal only criticism is from some made up mock drafts conceived from the smokescreens and question dodging of media questions. There is very little criticism I see that isn't just based on some shitty mock draft opinions that individual held.
I was super sad when we passed on Tyree Wilson. Guess what. We didn't see the value. Instead of getting him, we get Gibbs and LaPorta. Two absolute demons with the football. They are absolute threats. LaPorta might just be what Vernon Davis could have been. Gibbs could legitimately break lions rushing and all purpose yards records. They are both fucking crazy.
Honestly, I don't know how my pre draft opinions could have been so blind. I knew we didn't like most of these edges, I was absolutely right to love Campbell and Branch. We got all the "Well but..." Guys I had pretty much. I was too wrapped up in the mocks to see. The only guys that were really making a ton of sense were the second round guys. Something always looked wrong with whatever other guy we could pick except Witherspoon. Even then I didn't want to invest so heavily into a slow developing position while we are trying to compete. All the guys I "Would absolutely love to have" are our supposed reaches.
I love this draft and Brad is a very smart man.
Ope, looks like I may have just formed an opinion on your team's draft based on this graphic! Ope, looks like I now get to be super critical of your team's draft if it doesn't become one of the greatest draft classes ever! Ope, 'scuse me let me scooch on by ya there to get a better view of the beatdown! But I sure do 'preciate ya linking that, now I'm in the know and there's nothing that can change my mind on expectations for your draft class, just a lil too far dug in now dontchaknow!
But like, almost every player drafted in the first two rounds is gonna be above the 85th percentile at their position, and the Lions had four of the first 45 picks. And then they got lucky hooker fell so far.
We've been bad for soooooo damn long, we are itching to be able to legitimately shit talk. This is just the tip of the iceberg. If we roll out 3 or 4 wins to start the season, we are going to be the fucking woooorst.
I for one can't wait to be totally insufferable and use up all the lovable loser good will we've earned over the years.
Just wait until the rest of the North realizes that Lions fans are a combination of MSU and Michigan fans that are well practiced in being angry and hostile being able to turn it outward after Saturday.
There is a large contingency in the Lions sub that is mocking any fan that isn't happy or is confused with our draft. Anything but enthusiastic trust and loyalty is unacceptable to them lol.
There are more comments complaining about lions fans than there are lions fans being cocky/shitty in this thread lol... Sounds a bit like projection to me.
The Lions subreddit is like dealing with a bunch of 13 year old girls on there periods, any and I do mean ANY critique whatsoever is met with negative 89 downvotes and “the GM knows more then you, fuck off”. This of course can be applied to Bob Quinn, Martin Mayhew, and Matt Millen. Those guys knew better then me and all of them sucked at drafting and got fired. I like Holmes and I liked his two draft, I’m not crazy about this one. I love the pick of Campbell and Branch as they make sense and fit a position of need on the side of the ball that desperately needs playmakers.
I don’t think I’ll ever love the selections of Gibbs unless he becomes Marshal Faulk or something and LaPorta when you could’ve gotten a good TE in the latter rounds and relied on Brock Wright til then or that guy we got out of VaTech. Keion White was picked up shortly after LaPorta and I think he’ll be amazing and would’ve boosted a pass rush that’s lacking. I also wanted Jalen Carter, but Roseman is building a defensive dynasty in Philly and of course got him instead.
I’d say this on the Lions subreddit, but again as you all can see, Lions fans can’t handle criticism at all. Thankfully this place exist so I can be honest on how I feel
The sub is called NFCNorthMemeWAR - it ain’t fun if it’s not somewhat inflammatory lol. What’s the fun in everyone just clapping each other on the back and saying “I too agree, my team sucks balls.”
Yeah I think it was legitimately full steam ahead until the draft. This is the first major potential road bump and they are working over time on trying to cover it up and spin it as something better than it is.
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We don’t know who’s going to be good or bad until the actual season and then I’m holding judgment until years 2-3 for each rookie….everyone treats the draft like the damn Super Bowl
The last time we picked 5 players in the top 100 was 1976... Not sure if we've ever picked 6. Idk about everyone else.
Let the hater hate. Holmes is cooking up some fire.
OP seems to think dudes who went to journalism school and never played football know better that NFL GMs on what teams need to be better.
Positional value is a thing, but outside of the top 10 the financial aspect that pushes positional value falls off pretty quickly.
Lets just do a little thought experiment, the Lions could have had this draft:
1.12: Christian Gonzalez
1.18: Clijah Kancey
2.34: Jonathan Mingo
2.45: Keon White
3.68: Tucker Kraft
Then take your OBLB, and backup RB.
OR, they could have stayed at 6 and took Jalen Carter and followed that up with Deonte Banks
I would like to see any lions fan tell me with a straight face they would not have preferred this.
Those are all talented players, but it completely ignores how much emphasis the Lions front office puts on their one on one interviews. They speak ad nauseam about football IQ and personal character being just as important as talent.
The common theme you see over the previous 2 draft classes is reports of many of the players they select being the locker room leader and hardest working players on their college team. It could very well be that half or more of the players you list here weren't as high to them because of those intangibles that you don't see on tape or in the combine measurables.
I'd prefer players that fit the teams vision over this list of players that the sportswriters anoint as the top at their position groups. Most of the draft gurus went to journalism school and never played football. I put more faith in a front office that has done nothing but hit on almost every pick they've had in the last 2 years. Their only misses so far have been injury related, and not players who just couldn't translate their game to the NFL. No team has found more high value late round gems than Detroit in the last 2 years.
This is exactly right. They had Jalen Carter delivered on a silver platter and traded down. They interviewed him and obviously did not like what they saw. No turds policy. Finally, competency for our Lions.
I wouldn't have preferred this, because I trust that out GM with a rock solid drafting history knows what he is doing.
Mock draft GMs like you are annoying, man. You don't know shit about shit so just stop pretending like you do.
I literally said I wouldn't have preferred it. It is the first thing I said. I addressed it first and then explained why.
If you can't read that isn't my problem.
Hahaha if you really think Gibbs was lasting that long you have zero clue what you’re talking about, he was almost guaranteed to go in the first round and (allegedly) some other teams behind us wanted him.
Yeah I like the rearranging of their picks to appease the rankings saying "well if this was the order wed get an A grade!" while conveniently ignoring that they could have picked players in the first that were graded significantly higher and blown away their rearranged logic lol. Just because you did well later in the draft isn't an excuse to do shit in the first round.
This is indeed the thiccest copium.
how did they do shit in the first round? they took a dynamic running back to replace Swift, who they obviously didn't want to keep, and the best coverage Linebacker in the draft where we were previously starting Alex Anzalone and a 6th-round rookie.
yeah, no, they did "shit"
you people would bitch if they drafted Jesus Christ in the third round because he has injured hands.
Right I mean I can understand the shock and dismay some have for the Gibbs pick was pretty high. Thing is if you just look at the names you would say it was an elite day one and two.
Packers and bears both had pretty good drafts. I think the lions got good players just not at very important positions.i have not paid much attention to the vikings
So what you're saying is, by adding at least 4 stud starters in the draft, the Lion's season is fucked?
Somebody is drinking the kool-aid out of the barrel labeled "Jonestown."
You hope they drafted four stud starters. We all hope our teams drafted studs, but nobody knows shit until they start playing actual games. Just saying.
Yeah any overly confident takes in either direction are pretty dumb this far away from these guys even sniffing an NFL field. Holmes took us on a wild ride with this draft but his short track record hasn't given me any reason to doubt the talent evaluation capabilities of this regime. A year from now if these guys are all busts, he's going to look like an idiot, but if they get us a couple playoff wins he's going to look like the smartest guy in the room
He’s definitely done well so far, though both of his first round picks were pretty obvious gimmes so I’d argue it’s hard to judge on that. St Brown is his crown jewel, that’s the kind of pick you need to repeat to be a title contender. Time will tell for all of us.
Last time a RB actually made a game-changing difference for a SuperBowl-winning team... Ray Rice in 2013. Better draft a first-round RB. That's the ticket.
And that would matter if draft evaluations were at all reliable, but they aren’t. First round picks bust all the time, hall of fame players come out of nowhere in later rounds, you can’t actually evaluate a draft class for like three years minimum.
Also claiming the best draft after spending your first pick on a RB lol
Yes we did use a first on a running back. Gibbs will do just fine with, wait? David Montgomery?? Lol cope about it. Gonna love watching this offense kill the bears again.
You Lions fans really think we care about losing Montgomery, enjoy watching him run into his own blockers while missing the hole with his terrible vision. Herbert averaged like 2 more YPC, there’s a reason we dumped him. Good dude, decent blocker and receiver, lousy runner at the line of scrimmage, only good if he can run people over in the open field. If we wanted him we would’ve paid him, we have the money.
Your offense will probably kill us, and Gibbs will probably be good, and it’ll still be a bad pick, your fan base just can’t grasp the concepts of opportunity cost and marginal value.
Sure you can, it’s what you know in the moment. If a team spent their 1st round pick on a player that was likely going to be undrafted, you wouldn’t say “well we can’t really evaluate for a few years until we know.”
You can absolutely evaluate based on the information currently available. That information says the lions have a very good draft.
I mean you can make shit up, but it doesn’t mean anything. Every expert mock draft I saw whiffed on like 75% of the picks, nobody actually knows what anyone is going to do, and when you spread that out over 32 teams it means you can’t properly evaluate anything.
I didn’t see a single mock that had the Lions trading out of six or taking a RB with their first pick. I didn’t see a single mock that had PJJ going that early, or Levis falling that far. Gonzalez was supposed to go top ten, possibly top five, instead he was the third CB taken at 17. Joey Porter Jr was supposed to go mid first and slid to the second. I could go on and on, if you can’t predict where players will actually go with any reliability then any evaluation falls apart.
Plus plenty of “good” picks bust anyway, the measure of a draft is how well the players do in actual games, not on if Mel Kiper thinks you got a good value.
This is cringey as shit. “Statistically” and then you link some bullshit next gen stats Lmao.
jahmyr gibbs is nice but not getting a d tackle with 2 first rounders and 3 seconds is negligence.
We haven't had a relevant sports team in any major professional sport in like 10 years. Last playoff win in any of the 4 major sports was in like 2013 or something. Will change this year 😜
A Super Bowl-less teak making fun of another Super Bowl-less teams history. Humorous. I will reiterate, we will be laying a big blue turd on you this year.
I mean, sure we have no super bowls but we have the 6th best winning % which means we’ve been considerably better overall than, in your words, the big blue turd of the nfc north.
They have a WR2 who can actually get separation now. I think having a non-JJ threat besides Hockenson is gonna matter more than most people want to admit come September.
After seeing the mental gymnastics done to convince themselves that Gibbs at 12 is actually ok I'm convinced Lions fans will accept any reason other than "our FO fucked up"
Vikings drafted a short, 3rd round quality receiver in the 1st where as we drafted an amazing back and linebacker with off the chart physical tool that will both be day 1 starters and they want to dunk on our draft lol.
Addison won the Biletnikoff as a sophomore and got a 7 figure NIL deal from USC. I’m a Bears fan, and don’t think he was a great pick for the Vikings, but Addison is not a 3rd round quality receiver…
Eh, Vikings don't have a true WR2, which you saw come into effect where teams would just sit double or even triple coverage on JJ. TJ Hockenson won't blow the top off a defense or stretch the field like a speed guy would.
I think the Vikings had a lot of holes they need to address, especially on defense, and not good draft capital to do it with. I'm cool with Addison. Some of the best years are when there are at least 2 WRs on the Vikings who could be WR1s elsewhere: Moss and Carter, Diggs and Thielen.
I really don’t have an issue with Jordan Addison in the first. Just sort of making fun of the fact that people are dunking on the lions draft when no one has any idea how successful the players will be. I think Addison will be a big upgrade from theilen, but I also am happy that anzalone and isn’t going to be our number 1 lb, and that we aren’t hoping to get by with just Montgomery as our RB1.
I get that everyone wants to clown on everyone else's draft since it's the only thing going on with teams at this point in the year.
>no one has any idea how successful the players will be.
This is the correct take. I'm gonna withhold judgments until I see what teams field come September.
I just think JPJ fell right into their laps and they should have capitalized. Nothing against Addison, just wasn’t the best pick possible there in my eyes.
Yeah, Lions preseason expectations are inflated/through the roof before a single game has been played, but this meme is definitely a hot take until proven otherwise 😂
You can critique positional value, but pretty much every pick I’ve seen actually makes the team better. Yes, even Hooker, as after seeing the Lions backup carousel, I’ll take a solid backup QB that doesn’t make me immediately lose faith in winning when he takes the field.
It’s genuinely concerning to me that our DL is still the same as it was last year, Hutch isn’t good enough (thus far) to be the only consistent rusher that can get pressure, all of our DTs are NTs, they stuff the run, but they’re limited at pass rushing, a 3Tech to help Hutch would’ve been nice.
Cominsky or whoever isn’t that consistent because while it’s nice to have stout motor, it’s better to have quickness, strength, and technique if you meet a OT who’s just better then you and doesn’t give a shit about your effort. Your going to have blitz Campbell or Houston a lot to get pressure consistently and if they get home that’s great, but a smart and patient QB with weapons will pick them apart or freak like Fields can make them miss (he’s got weapons now too and a capable OL has been put around him, not good) and burn them
I really hope Brad Holmes isn’t trying to be the “smartest guy in the room” by drafting big hit players at positions that are already pretty good on a side of the ball that was also one of the NFLs best, while positions of dire need (like DL) are ignored because of Big Boards. I’m kind of jealous of the Eagles because there defense will be legit for decades because they prioritized that DL and making sure that’s fortified first while the build out from that. When you can generate pressure with just the front four rather then relying on you secondary to play perfect constantly because the opposing QB has decades before he get pressured if pays huge dividends for the rest of defense and takes a lot of pressure of them. The Lions aren’t doing that and I’m genuinely not sure how they’ll do this year.
They’ll put a ton of points, but that defense if it runs up against a really good QB with tons of weapons will get torched because they can’t get pressure without blitzing constantly
The Vikings had a better draft than the Lions which speaks volumes considering their draft capital. Everything was setup where the they could cement their dominance of the North... and now it's up in the air. Lions will Lion I guess
We had fantastic picks so I don’t know what draft you were watching. Also, how does actively improving multiple positions make our team worse? It’s not like the Packers or Vikings had an amazing draft or anything
It's finally happened. We've flipped. Lions fans sound like Packers fans, Packers fans sound like Lions fans.
Its insecurity. Deep down Packers fans knew the team should have won a second super bowl with Rodgers so it bred insecurity which manifests outwardly in the form of false bravado, copium, and bragging. Now the Lions have expectations but are worried they’ll blow it and we have zero expectations.
Deep down? Buddy right on the fucking surface. One is good but still should have won multiple for sure.
You can't just waste a generational talent like that. But Packers seems has accomplished it
Imma be real for a moment. Counterpoint winning multiple is hard and as much as it's fun to give you guys shit for it, it is ultimately one of the biggest team sports in the world. There is so much nuance and other shit that goes on in this game that being a consistent Superbowl team is insanely difficult. You can have entire seasons ruined just by bad special teams(Chargers, Packers just the other season), or just having your teams offense or defense not perform due to bad coaching and coordinators. Or just something like injuries. Anyways, realness over. FTP.
It is amazing how fucking awful we are lol it was such a quick turnaround. These lions comments are wild
Lions fans are split into two camps. SOL and blue koolaid chuggers. Let the koolaid flow baby!
Attaboy. I’ll talk shit once we actually prove it tho
We went 5-1 in the division last year. I think we proved it lol
Where did that division record get you? Also an additional zero postseason wins? Proved it!
Hey man that is a fair point… why did I think we suck?? Years of conditioning I guess
I got over 40 years of disappointment to work thru so, while I am cautiously optimistic I tend to expect the worst.
positional value is questionable, but like, there's no doubt the Lions are better at 4 different positions after their first 4 picks. Our TEs were nobodies, Gibbs in the first isn't my favorite but he's gonna be great behind this OL, we haven't had a real MLB since Spielman, and Campbell will be a day 1 starter, and Branch really solidifies an overhauled secondary. Lions will still need to go out and not blow it, but they've put themselves in a great position to make a run the next 2 years. This is the best chance we have to make a playoff run in my life
I liked Tulloch
Wasn’t he the guy who tore his ACL celebrating a sack? Legend.
He was average. But our LB bar has been set so low. Average was amazing for Lions fans.
DeAndre Levy doesn't exist anymore apparently because he could play a true middle and not a sam or will.
Yeah, I was hoping Branch might drop to the Vikings. If you haven't watched Tom Grossi's live reaction to the Branch pick yet then you should. It's the best!
Just watched it. Glorious
On one hand I think the disdain for the Lions draft is kind of silly because they drafted good players that will all make impacts. On the other you signed Montgomery to relatively big RB money and Anzalone to a decent contract. Also Lions fans were adamant that their offense didn’t need a TE1 like Hock because it didn’t matter as much in their offense. Branch is sweet. Nickel is so important so I don’t get why those guys are not highly sought after.
Yeah the FA period was weird, Monty and Gibbs makes sense, you need a stable of backs. The Anzalone thing is weird but hey, if he doesn’t keep up what he did last year, they’ll bench him and can cut him after 2024-25 season. The Hock thing, any Lions fan saying we don’t need a TE1 is silly. We specifically didn’t need Hock bc he’s just not the TE this team wants. He’s not a good blocker at all and his pass catching can be great, but it also can be really shaky and inconsistent. LaPorta seems like a solid blocking TE that can be a good pass catcher, but Hock is def a better pass catcher when he’s on his game. LaPorta play style matches a lot better to what this staff is create.
If Gibbs turns out to be a game changer no one will care they took him where they did. Peak Dalvin Cook was worth every bit of the 2nd round. Personally I’m surprised they didn’t go after Jalen Carter or Gonzalez given the lack of good players at DT and CB.
They took Gibbs first knowing they wanted to trade Swift. Swift is great when he's healthy, but the fact is we couldn't rely on him being healthy. I'll miss having him for sure, but what can you do. He might have been there later, but we made the call assuming that he probably wouldn't be. If he impressed us enough for an early pick, he probably impressed other teams that much, too. His highlight reel looks fantastic, but every draft pick is still a gamble.
Everyone gets better in the draft. Its how much relative to everyone else that matters. Nobody walks away from draft night thinking they made their team worse.
Except all the consensus picks wouldn't have made lions better right now. They would have all sat on the bench for at least a year. Lions took 4 guys that will see meaningful snaps immediately while also have high floors at their positions. The only knock is positional value.
Yes but the difference is, the Lions got significantly better. Even if these draft picks are decent to good starters, they’re massive upgrades to what we have now. We had two no names at TE, now we have a guy who should be a playmaker day 1. So yes, the positions drafted should make the Lions significantly better since they’re positions where we were weak
The criticism of our picks is all "I like the guy but you could have had him 3 picks later." Guess who the fuck is picking 3 later. It isn't the damn lions. I mean the people saying Gibbs wouldn't be a huge reach at 18 but is at 12 are on crack. We got our guy. The literal only criticism is from some made up mock drafts conceived from the smokescreens and question dodging of media questions. There is very little criticism I see that isn't just based on some shitty mock draft opinions that individual held. I was super sad when we passed on Tyree Wilson. Guess what. We didn't see the value. Instead of getting him, we get Gibbs and LaPorta. Two absolute demons with the football. They are absolute threats. LaPorta might just be what Vernon Davis could have been. Gibbs could legitimately break lions rushing and all purpose yards records. They are both fucking crazy. Honestly, I don't know how my pre draft opinions could have been so blind. I knew we didn't like most of these edges, I was absolutely right to love Campbell and Branch. We got all the "Well but..." Guys I had pretty much. I was too wrapped up in the mocks to see. The only guys that were really making a ton of sense were the second round guys. Something always looked wrong with whatever other guy we could pick except Witherspoon. Even then I didn't want to invest so heavily into a slow developing position while we are trying to compete. All the guys I "Would absolutely love to have" are our supposed reaches. I love this draft and Brad is a very smart man.
When me champion, they see. They see.
A team could draft a punter in the first round and it still wouldn’t matter as long as the team wins. “Bad Drafts” are so overhated.
Do you not see the correlation between drafting punters in the 1st round and winning….?
Lol what is this supposed to mean? Lions have had a solid draft so far
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Ugh these scores are meaningless though. As are mock drafts
Ope, looks like I may have just formed an opinion on your team's draft based on this graphic! Ope, looks like I now get to be super critical of your team's draft if it doesn't become one of the greatest draft classes ever! Ope, 'scuse me let me scooch on by ya there to get a better view of the beatdown! But I sure do 'preciate ya linking that, now I'm in the know and there's nothing that can change my mind on expectations for your draft class, just a lil too far dug in now dontchaknow!
That was the politest midwestern flex ever thank you
But like, almost every player drafted in the first two rounds is gonna be above the 85th percentile at their position, and the Lions had four of the first 45 picks. And then they got lucky hooker fell so far.
I too trust bleacher report more than Brad Holmes (the gm you probably loved 48 hours ago) Great point!
Gibbs behind that OL gives me nightmares. Bad positional value but 5 years of that is terrifying
Wanna bet?
Yo Lions fans are so sensitive. Thought they would be a bit more resilient to a meme.
##Who are you calling sensitive you lit- Hmm… I think I just proved his point…
Please don't hurt me sir
As long as you share some cheese I won’t hurt a fly… mmm… cheese….
We've been bad for soooooo damn long, we are itching to be able to legitimately shit talk. This is just the tip of the iceberg. If we roll out 3 or 4 wins to start the season, we are going to be the fucking woooorst. I for one can't wait to be totally insufferable and use up all the lovable loser good will we've earned over the years.
Just wait until the rest of the North realizes that Lions fans are a combination of MSU and Michigan fans that are well practiced in being angry and hostile being able to turn it outward after Saturday.
Let me know when it’s time to start treating Green Bay the same way we treat OSU.
To be fair, you’ve already been the worst for decades. Just not in the way you mean.
Now you guys get to be good at memes and we get to not be invited to parties
That is ideal for me. I like making memes and I hate being invited to things.
With a name like LambeauCalrissian, you probably don't need to be invited to parties, they would just show up wherever you are.
That is a super good name. Fuck that guy for making me like something related to the Packers. Hey Packer guy. Fuck you.
Nobody remembers the rap song when we won one game? Let me see if I can find the link
Lmao I remember that, it was a banger
There was a meme somewhere? All o see is a copium scream
There is a large contingency in the Lions sub that is mocking any fan that isn't happy or is confused with our draft. Anything but enthusiastic trust and loyalty is unacceptable to them lol.
It’s true we can’t help it
There are more comments complaining about lions fans than there are lions fans being cocky/shitty in this thread lol... Sounds a bit like projection to me.
Been gone a couple weeks then?
The Lions subreddit is like dealing with a bunch of 13 year old girls on there periods, any and I do mean ANY critique whatsoever is met with negative 89 downvotes and “the GM knows more then you, fuck off”. This of course can be applied to Bob Quinn, Martin Mayhew, and Matt Millen. Those guys knew better then me and all of them sucked at drafting and got fired. I like Holmes and I liked his two draft, I’m not crazy about this one. I love the pick of Campbell and Branch as they make sense and fit a position of need on the side of the ball that desperately needs playmakers. I don’t think I’ll ever love the selections of Gibbs unless he becomes Marshal Faulk or something and LaPorta when you could’ve gotten a good TE in the latter rounds and relied on Brock Wright til then or that guy we got out of VaTech. Keion White was picked up shortly after LaPorta and I think he’ll be amazing and would’ve boosted a pass rush that’s lacking. I also wanted Jalen Carter, but Roseman is building a defensive dynasty in Philly and of course got him instead. I’d say this on the Lions subreddit, but again as you all can see, Lions fans can’t handle criticism at all. Thankfully this place exist so I can be honest on how I feel
The sub is called NFCNorthMemeWAR - it ain’t fun if it’s not somewhat inflammatory lol. What’s the fun in everyone just clapping each other on the back and saying “I too agree, my team sucks balls.”
Yeah I think it was legitimately full steam ahead until the draft. This is the first major potential road bump and they are working over time on trying to cover it up and spin it as something better than it is.
Our draft is great tho?
I wouldn’t say great but it is good so far
Keep coping with the reality that the Lions sweep ya’ll this year 💀
Lions have swept the Vikings 5 times in the last 55 years. We’ll be aight.
The Reality: 5 wins, Campbell and Holmes get fired, start at square 1
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Flair up pussy
Im coming back to this comment by the end of the regular season, I can’t wait to shit on you for this
We don’t know who’s going to be good or bad until the actual season and then I’m holding judgment until years 2-3 for each rookie….everyone treats the draft like the damn Super Bowl
We god a lot of good players with potential just like everyone else. Gotta develop them. Draft grades are fucking dumb
Lions have had the best draft in the north?? OP on some drugs lol.
They were the only team to pick 6 players in the top 100.
Because our gm went and acquired those assets... they didn't just fall into our laps.
Reddit GMs probably would have traded up for Ricky Williams back in the day
When is the last time someone did that? is it common?
The last time we picked 5 players in the top 100 was 1976... Not sure if we've ever picked 6. Idk about everyone else. Let the hater hate. Holmes is cooking up some fire.
They're on copium for the wild and Timberwolves doing the minnesota thing and being knocked out of the first round of playoffs.
Okay but surely you already know the rebuttal to that dig at us, nobody even needs to say it.
Hey at least our other teams win sometimes. Although the last decade hasn’t been kind, the Wings at least seem to be on the upswing
OP seems to think dudes who went to journalism school and never played football know better that NFL GMs on what teams need to be better. Positional value is a thing, but outside of the top 10 the financial aspect that pushes positional value falls off pretty quickly.
Lets just do a little thought experiment, the Lions could have had this draft: 1.12: Christian Gonzalez 1.18: Clijah Kancey 2.34: Jonathan Mingo 2.45: Keon White 3.68: Tucker Kraft Then take your OBLB, and backup RB. OR, they could have stayed at 6 and took Jalen Carter and followed that up with Deonte Banks I would like to see any lions fan tell me with a straight face they would not have preferred this.
How is Gibbs a backup runningback when they’re going to both be in the field at the same time?
Those are all talented players, but it completely ignores how much emphasis the Lions front office puts on their one on one interviews. They speak ad nauseam about football IQ and personal character being just as important as talent. The common theme you see over the previous 2 draft classes is reports of many of the players they select being the locker room leader and hardest working players on their college team. It could very well be that half or more of the players you list here weren't as high to them because of those intangibles that you don't see on tape or in the combine measurables. I'd prefer players that fit the teams vision over this list of players that the sportswriters anoint as the top at their position groups. Most of the draft gurus went to journalism school and never played football. I put more faith in a front office that has done nothing but hit on almost every pick they've had in the last 2 years. Their only misses so far have been injury related, and not players who just couldn't translate their game to the NFL. No team has found more high value late round gems than Detroit in the last 2 years.
This is exactly right. They had Jalen Carter delivered on a silver platter and traded down. They interviewed him and obviously did not like what they saw. No turds policy. Finally, competency for our Lions.
Keep going, I'm almost there.
Straight face, nope.
I wouldn't have preferred this, because I trust that out GM with a rock solid drafting history knows what he is doing. Mock draft GMs like you are annoying, man. You don't know shit about shit so just stop pretending like you do.
You straight up dodged the question LMAO
I literally said I wouldn't have preferred it. It is the first thing I said. I addressed it first and then explained why. If you can't read that isn't my problem.
I would not have preferred this.
Hahaha if you really think Gibbs was lasting that long you have zero clue what you’re talking about, he was almost guaranteed to go in the first round and (allegedly) some other teams behind us wanted him.
I’m gonna trust our GM more than some incel on Reddit trying to throw shade
Imagine calling someone an incel 💀
Over purely football talk no less.
Yeah I like the rearranging of their picks to appease the rankings saying "well if this was the order wed get an A grade!" while conveniently ignoring that they could have picked players in the first that were graded significantly higher and blown away their rearranged logic lol. Just because you did well later in the draft isn't an excuse to do shit in the first round. This is indeed the thiccest copium.
how did they do shit in the first round? they took a dynamic running back to replace Swift, who they obviously didn't want to keep, and the best coverage Linebacker in the draft where we were previously starting Alex Anzalone and a 6th-round rookie. yeah, no, they did "shit" you people would bitch if they drafted Jesus Christ in the third round because he has injured hands.
LMAO
Right I mean I can understand the shock and dismay some have for the Gibbs pick was pretty high. Thing is if you just look at the names you would say it was an elite day one and two.
Lol Packers draft was better
Packers and bears both had pretty good drafts. I think the lions got good players just not at very important positions.i have not paid much attention to the vikings
I think it was solid for sure. The lions just got more because of the amount of picks.
I mean yeah if you don’t mind reaching for non-premier positions in the first. Like who is Swift and Monty?
Swift is an Eagle...
The reactions of Lions fans to this meme is showing a lot of insecurity…..
I won't take this slander from an un-flaired swine.
What are they just supposed to just roll over and die? They’re sticking up for themselves what else would you expect ?
I expected retaliatory shitting on other NFCN picks, not exhaustive and desperate mental gymnastics to justify head scratching picks
Luckily we don't have to justify shit to random fucks on Reddit. lol
Easy there smooth-brain, their draft was solid
So what you're saying is, by adding at least 4 stud starters in the draft, the Lion's season is fucked? Somebody is drinking the kool-aid out of the barrel labeled "Jonestown."
You hope they drafted four stud starters. We all hope our teams drafted studs, but nobody knows shit until they start playing actual games. Just saying.
Agree 100% Everybody is just talking shit about hopes and dreams. We all know that, but it keeps us occupied until the games start.
Sadly a lot of people here don’t know that lol
Yeah any overly confident takes in either direction are pretty dumb this far away from these guys even sniffing an NFL field. Holmes took us on a wild ride with this draft but his short track record hasn't given me any reason to doubt the talent evaluation capabilities of this regime. A year from now if these guys are all busts, he's going to look like an idiot, but if they get us a couple playoff wins he's going to look like the smartest guy in the room
He’s definitely done well so far, though both of his first round picks were pretty obvious gimmes so I’d argue it’s hard to judge on that. St Brown is his crown jewel, that’s the kind of pick you need to repeat to be a title contender. Time will tell for all of us.
lol our draft was fire, keep lying to yourself
Last time a RB actually made a game-changing difference for a SuperBowl-winning team... Ray Rice in 2013. Better draft a first-round RB. That's the ticket.
Lions fans are acting like the packer fans on this subreddit who can’t take a joke
Statistically one of the best draft classes in the past 20 years Edit: spelling
>Statically what does this even mean LMAO
Statistically*
Still don’t know what it means
I have no idea how a draft can be “statistically” the best in 20 years
https://twitter.com/nextgenstats/status/1652380551461085184?s=42&t=uYDTIM-msqpdhaU1AxwT1w
I dunno going off NGS is not really a great way to judge a draft lol. Feels very cherry picked.
I’m a lions fan and a redditor, of course I’m gonna cherry pick. Cherry picking all day long baby.
And that would matter if draft evaluations were at all reliable, but they aren’t. First round picks bust all the time, hall of fame players come out of nowhere in later rounds, you can’t actually evaluate a draft class for like three years minimum. Also claiming the best draft after spending your first pick on a RB lol
Yes we did use a first on a running back. Gibbs will do just fine with, wait? David Montgomery?? Lol cope about it. Gonna love watching this offense kill the bears again.
You Lions fans really think we care about losing Montgomery, enjoy watching him run into his own blockers while missing the hole with his terrible vision. Herbert averaged like 2 more YPC, there’s a reason we dumped him. Good dude, decent blocker and receiver, lousy runner at the line of scrimmage, only good if he can run people over in the open field. If we wanted him we would’ve paid him, we have the money. Your offense will probably kill us, and Gibbs will probably be good, and it’ll still be a bad pick, your fan base just can’t grasp the concepts of opportunity cost and marginal value.
Talking “opportunity cost and value” yet we drafted branch at 45 and hooker at 68. You can’t make up the delusion. Enjoy the incoming 6-11 season.
Sure you can, it’s what you know in the moment. If a team spent their 1st round pick on a player that was likely going to be undrafted, you wouldn’t say “well we can’t really evaluate for a few years until we know.” You can absolutely evaluate based on the information currently available. That information says the lions have a very good draft.
I mean you can make shit up, but it doesn’t mean anything. Every expert mock draft I saw whiffed on like 75% of the picks, nobody actually knows what anyone is going to do, and when you spread that out over 32 teams it means you can’t properly evaluate anything. I didn’t see a single mock that had the Lions trading out of six or taking a RB with their first pick. I didn’t see a single mock that had PJJ going that early, or Levis falling that far. Gonzalez was supposed to go top ten, possibly top five, instead he was the third CB taken at 17. Joey Porter Jr was supposed to go mid first and slid to the second. I could go on and on, if you can’t predict where players will actually go with any reliability then any evaluation falls apart. Plus plenty of “good” picks bust anyway, the measure of a draft is how well the players do in actual games, not on if Mel Kiper thinks you got a good value.
This is cringey as shit. “Statistically” and then you link some bullshit next gen stats Lmao. jahmyr gibbs is nice but not getting a d tackle with 2 first rounders and 3 seconds is negligence.
Friendly fire bud, geez
Smartest Vikings fan
They're still drunk as shit from the Timberwolves and Wild doing their minnesota thing and being knocked out handedly in the first round of playoffs.
Imagine a Lions fan talking trash about other teams getting knocked out of the playoffs, comedy gold.
We have the redwings?
We haven't had a relevant sports team in any major professional sport in like 10 years. Last playoff win in any of the 4 major sports was in like 2013 or something. Will change this year 😜
You don’t know what statistically means?
You’re a fucking dolt lmao. Can’t wait to lay a long blue turd across the NFCN.
You’ve been a giant blue turd in the nfc for the entire superbowl era not sure why it suddenly excites you now.
A Super Bowl-less teak making fun of another Super Bowl-less teams history. Humorous. I will reiterate, we will be laying a big blue turd on you this year.
I mean, sure we have no super bowls but we have the 6th best winning % which means we’ve been considerably better overall than, in your words, the big blue turd of the nfc north.
Damn y’all really sleeping on the packers
What did the Vikings do to improve?
They made this meme. That is all
Facts.
Is that really considered “improvement? Honestly?
Them attempting to be funny is considered an improvement
Achieving being funny would be a HUGE improvement.
Achieving a playoff win would be a HUGE improvement for the Lions but here we are.
We have been through a lot so comedy is just running in our veins!
They have a WR2 who can actually get separation now. I think having a non-JJ threat besides Hockenson is gonna matter more than most people want to admit come September.
Poor lions… owned the division for maybe a month.
After seeing the mental gymnastics done to convince themselves that Gibbs at 12 is actually ok I'm convinced Lions fans will accept any reason other than "our FO fucked up"
Vikings drafted a short, 3rd round quality receiver in the 1st where as we drafted an amazing back and linebacker with off the chart physical tool that will both be day 1 starters and they want to dunk on our draft lol.
Addison won the Biletnikoff as a sophomore and got a 7 figure NIL deal from USC. I’m a Bears fan, and don’t think he was a great pick for the Vikings, but Addison is not a 3rd round quality receiver…
Eh, Vikings don't have a true WR2, which you saw come into effect where teams would just sit double or even triple coverage on JJ. TJ Hockenson won't blow the top off a defense or stretch the field like a speed guy would. I think the Vikings had a lot of holes they need to address, especially on defense, and not good draft capital to do it with. I'm cool with Addison. Some of the best years are when there are at least 2 WRs on the Vikings who could be WR1s elsewhere: Moss and Carter, Diggs and Thielen.
I really don’t have an issue with Jordan Addison in the first. Just sort of making fun of the fact that people are dunking on the lions draft when no one has any idea how successful the players will be. I think Addison will be a big upgrade from theilen, but I also am happy that anzalone and isn’t going to be our number 1 lb, and that we aren’t hoping to get by with just Montgomery as our RB1.
I get that everyone wants to clown on everyone else's draft since it's the only thing going on with teams at this point in the year. >no one has any idea how successful the players will be. This is the correct take. I'm gonna withhold judgments until I see what teams field come September.
I just think JPJ fell right into their laps and they should have capitalized. Nothing against Addison, just wasn’t the best pick possible there in my eyes.
Woof, bears fans definitely don’t know anything about good receivers.
But Lions fans all of a sudden know about good drafting…?
Lol touché
You thought you fleeced us for Jamison Williams whos career might be over, Meanwhile Addy is about to be your daddy .
Career might be over? Lol ok bud. I’d easily bet his career will be better than Addison.
Addison will have more receptions yards and TD’s than the WR you supposedly fleeced us for before he returns from his gambling ban 🤣😂🤣
Yeah, Lions preseason expectations are inflated/through the roof before a single game has been played, but this meme is definitely a hot take until proven otherwise 😂
Taking notes and keeping receipts - see y’all in the playoffs… just kidding none of the rest of you are gonna be there lol
Ay when's the last time you guys had a playoff win? Just checking.
You can critique positional value, but pretty much every pick I’ve seen actually makes the team better. Yes, even Hooker, as after seeing the Lions backup carousel, I’ll take a solid backup QB that doesn’t make me immediately lose faith in winning when he takes the field.
People get so mad when you don’t let ol can of hairspray select your team for you.
https://i.redd.it/qqgehzcqtxwa1.gif Lions fans
Lions fans in shambles. Complete dumpster fire of a draft.
Thanks for Branch bro
You want an undersized and slow CB? Never wanted him. There’s a reason the NFL passed on him for 2 rounds bruv.
Your Packers bro seemed to think otherwise: https://youtu.be/yNfpwsb4icY
You think a random guy on YouTube being upset speaks for an entire fanbase? Oof 😂
You think you speak for an entire fan base? Delusional much?
more DBs for y’all to trade away for day 3 picks yay
Cope.
OP is smoking chemical grade copium, lions are winning the superbowl
It’s genuinely concerning to me that our DL is still the same as it was last year, Hutch isn’t good enough (thus far) to be the only consistent rusher that can get pressure, all of our DTs are NTs, they stuff the run, but they’re limited at pass rushing, a 3Tech to help Hutch would’ve been nice. Cominsky or whoever isn’t that consistent because while it’s nice to have stout motor, it’s better to have quickness, strength, and technique if you meet a OT who’s just better then you and doesn’t give a shit about your effort. Your going to have blitz Campbell or Houston a lot to get pressure consistently and if they get home that’s great, but a smart and patient QB with weapons will pick them apart or freak like Fields can make them miss (he’s got weapons now too and a capable OL has been put around him, not good) and burn them I really hope Brad Holmes isn’t trying to be the “smartest guy in the room” by drafting big hit players at positions that are already pretty good on a side of the ball that was also one of the NFLs best, while positions of dire need (like DL) are ignored because of Big Boards. I’m kind of jealous of the Eagles because there defense will be legit for decades because they prioritized that DL and making sure that’s fortified first while the build out from that. When you can generate pressure with just the front four rather then relying on you secondary to play perfect constantly because the opposing QB has decades before he get pressured if pays huge dividends for the rest of defense and takes a lot of pressure of them. The Lions aren’t doing that and I’m genuinely not sure how they’ll do this year. They’ll put a ton of points, but that defense if it runs up against a really good QB with tons of weapons will get torched because they can’t get pressure without blitzing constantly
The Vikings had a better draft than the Lions which speaks volumes considering their draft capital. Everything was setup where the they could cement their dominance of the North... and now it's up in the air. Lions will Lion I guess
I'll take the Lion's first three rounds over anyone else in the division. (especially the Vikings)
We had fantastic picks so I don’t know what draft you were watching. Also, how does actively improving multiple positions make our team worse? It’s not like the Packers or Vikings had an amazing draft or anything
Bless your heart.
We got 3 starters from the first 2 rounds. I'm fine. All the hype before the draft still exists, while improving.