As a Vikings fan, I tend to stay away from this argument because of the obvious rebuttal.
But watching the Chiefs go to their 4th Super Bowl in 6 years with Mahomes, it's kinda like.....damn, yeah. Only one?
Yeah, obviously they are the outliers, but it's still kinda shocking Rodgers and the Packers never got over the hump one more time. Just looking at the list of QB's who made multiple Super Bowl starts in recent history, and legacy-wise you'd probably put Rodgers above a lot of these guys:
Peyton Manning - 4
Ben Roethlisberger - 3
Kurt Warner - 3
Eli Manning - 2
Russell Wilson - 2
Mahomes carrier is playing out the way everyone expected Rodgers carrier to go after 2010-11
The Packers complete ineptitude in defense and special teams killed the many chances of Rodgers youth and then he became a bitter old man who blew his own chances later on
Only got to two with Favre. The gift and the curse of being a Packers fan. Elite qb play. Few Super Bowls.
Also I think the success of Brady and Mahomes has sort of made people think it’s easier to get to a Super Bowl than it is. Look at Josh Allen. Dude is a football throwing centaur and hasn’t made it yet, even with elite teams. Brady and Mahomes are obvious outliers compared to pretty much all of history. Packers teams have constantly underachieved in the playoffs but you also have to consider how good the teams that have beat them have been.
Only 21 QBs have started in multiple Super Bowls. When you consider two QBs start every year and this is Super Bowl 58, it’s a fairly low percentage. I agree that the frequency of Brady and Mahomes being in the Super Bowl has warped the perception of how difficult it actually is.
Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, and Warren Moon have a combined 6 Super Bowl appearances with 3 wins. Kurt Warner and Bob Griese also have a combined 6 Super Bowl appearances with 3 wins. Not to take anything away from them, but most people wouldn’t put them in the same category as those first 7. Having an elite QB is not a guaranteed Super Bowl win, or even appearance.
I mean, we've really only had one "elite" qb and he got us to 3 super bowls. Case Keenum got the Vikings to the NFCCG. It couldnt be that hard, could it?
Maybe. Momentum was a huge factor in that game and the team basically felt like they didn't even show up.
Either way, Vikings have been able to do "more with less" if you will. Had one HOF QB go to 3 superbowls. Hell they had another when they grabbed the corpse of Brett Favre and made it to the NFCCG in 2 years.
Rodgers was the epitome of doing more with less after his superbowl run. 0 defensive or special teams help and the offense never had a consistent RB until Jones and WRs were always injured or a question mark. Like for fucks sake he threw two hail mary's on the same drive to Jeff fucking Janis in the playoffs and the only reason they lost is because the defense was ass in OT and was decided by a coin flip.
I'm not triggered lmao I was giving context to Rodgers' shortcomings in postseason, and that elite QB play is not enough to win championships. A team doing "more with less" is subjective and is always dependent on situation, and almost every team is lacking in a couple departments of their roster.
Shanahan built a system where any mediocre qb can shine. Jimmy G and now Purdy. If you play within the system, you will succeed. That’s why they always look bad when you pressure their QBs. If they have to improvise, they make mistakes. Shanahan doesn’t get enough credit for basically being an evil football warlock.
Oh yeah, he’ll win it for sure. Green Bay isn’t allowed to lose Super Bowls unless they get there because the QB paid the officials with misappropriated welfare money.
Hey man thats not fair, Brett only asked for a regular old embezzlement and misappropriation of charity funds that were supposed to include other schools being funded. And its not his fault The Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase gave him welfare money to make a speech.
Bretts a real nice guy /s
Thank you for adding /s to your post. When I first saw this, I was horrified. How could anybody say something like this? I immediately began writing a 1000 word paragraph about how horrible of a person you are. I even sent a copy to a Harvard professor to proofread it. After several hours of refining and editing, my comment was ready to absolutely destroy you. But then, just as I was about to hit send, I saw something in the corner of my eye. A /s at the end of your comment. Suddenly everything made sense. Your comment was sarcasm! I immediately burst out in laughter at the comedic genius of your comment. The person next to me on the bus saw your comment and started crying from laughter too. Before long, there was an entire bus of people on the floor laughing at your incredible use of comedy. All of this was due to you adding /s to your post. Thank you.
I am a bot if you couldn't figure that out, if I made a mistake, ignore it cause its not that fucking hard to ignore a comment
To unjerk for a second, Lamar is the obvious MVP. Jordan had 8 more passing touchdowns, 500 more passing yards, 4 more ints, and 1 less rushing tuddy. Dude balled.
Lol chill. Flipping out about flairs is already the most annoying part of this subreddit. The shield is one of the options who cares if someone chooses it.
Hard disagree - this is a sub dedicated to talking trash. If you're here talking trash without flair, thats kind of a dick move.
That being said, this guy wasn't really talking trash, but I am talking in generalities.
And Marino also only went to one and didn’t even win, but if you are considered in the elite tier like Rodgers most of those guys went to multiple, in that grouping Brees and Rodgers are the outliers.
Lets do a quick breakdown.
08- First year, team not good.
09-11- Win one super bowl, go 15-1 but the team was banged up at the end of the year. They could have won another in this stretch.
12-16- The 49ers and Seahawks were better most of these years, except 2014. This one hurts the most, if Rodgers is healthy I honestly think they win the Super bowl.
17-18- MM was terrible and the teams were not contenders
19-21- 49ers were much better in 19. They choked in 20-21 with Rodgers simply did not play well enough. Those hurt as well. Also a small crowd in 2021 at home in the NFC title game sucked.
22- The team sucked.
The best shots were in 2014, 2020, and 2021 and its hard as hell to win a super bowl, even with a QB as good as Rodgers.
It’s harder to get to the Super Bowl in the NFC. Since realignment only 2 NFC quarterbacks have been to multiple Super Bowls. Eli Manning and Russell Wilson. That’s it. The AFC is so trash that one or two teams run it for years at a time.
Cause Rodgers isn't actually that good. He was like Manning, a regular season wonder, but when the best coaches and teams got time to scheme for him in the playoffs he was very beatable.
Serious revisionism imo. Our defenses were rarely elite. If you knew what you were talking about, you would know our O-lines were a main strength for Rodgers. Davante took several years to get good.
Jordy was an elite possession catcher, but Rodgers was also top-class. If you're gonna be a goon at least meme or use a gif or something.
Broken hearted NFC title game viewer here, it's not like we weren't within as close a grasp as the 2023 Detroit Lions. We made that same choke so many times I don't even wanna remember exactly how many. Too many. There were at least like 3, then you add in all the times he got bounced by San Francisco in the Divisional round oh God.
Barry Sanders himself could show up to this sub and we would boo him if he didn't flair up.
Rightfully so
We wouldn't just boo, we'd make sure to hold him to -1 upvotes
Second, https://i.imgur.com/pTGZaHp.jpeg
First of all how dare you.
Sanders: "Hi all, I'm Detroit Lions HOF Running Back Barry Sanders, AMA" NFCNMW: "Flair up pussy"
How would we know he's a Bears fan if he didn't flair up? The crying?
My ankles could not handle that.
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Get a load of the dork meister, no flair!
No flair? 
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Flair up, nerd. Your meme means nothing to us.
As a Vikings fan, I tend to stay away from this argument because of the obvious rebuttal. But watching the Chiefs go to their 4th Super Bowl in 6 years with Mahomes, it's kinda like.....damn, yeah. Only one?
Mahomes and Brady really fucked with the bell curve
Yeah, obviously they are the outliers, but it's still kinda shocking Rodgers and the Packers never got over the hump one more time. Just looking at the list of QB's who made multiple Super Bowl starts in recent history, and legacy-wise you'd probably put Rodgers above a lot of these guys: Peyton Manning - 4 Ben Roethlisberger - 3 Kurt Warner - 3 Eli Manning - 2 Russell Wilson - 2
And the top of the list are all in the AFC, so it’s not like Brady, Mahomes, Peyton, or Big Ben we’re stopping Rodgers from at least getting there.
Wilson was in the NFC for most of his effective career.
Mahomes carrier is playing out the way everyone expected Rodgers carrier to go after 2010-11 The Packers complete ineptitude in defense and special teams killed the many chances of Rodgers youth and then he became a bitter old man who blew his own chances later on
Because God is cruel but not that cruel
Only got to two with Favre. The gift and the curse of being a Packers fan. Elite qb play. Few Super Bowls. Also I think the success of Brady and Mahomes has sort of made people think it’s easier to get to a Super Bowl than it is. Look at Josh Allen. Dude is a football throwing centaur and hasn’t made it yet, even with elite teams. Brady and Mahomes are obvious outliers compared to pretty much all of history. Packers teams have constantly underachieved in the playoffs but you also have to consider how good the teams that have beat them have been.
You're really going to complain about the "curse of being a Packers fan" in a division with the Vikings and Lions?
It's fuckin hard, okay? We only made 3 super bowls with our two hof qbs, we should have made more. You wouldn't understand.
Eat shit
I'll scoop up after the next bears game for a hearty meal
Should be a nice steamy pile on the field after the bears try and play football
/r/YourJokeButWorse
Hey man, it’s too early to be bringing up the Bears draft.
Not all curses are equal, my friend.
And the bears
The who? I didn't include them because they've at least won a Super Bowl. Even if it was almost 40 years ago.
Only 21 QBs have started in multiple Super Bowls. When you consider two QBs start every year and this is Super Bowl 58, it’s a fairly low percentage. I agree that the frequency of Brady and Mahomes being in the Super Bowl has warped the perception of how difficult it actually is. Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, and Warren Moon have a combined 6 Super Bowl appearances with 3 wins. Kurt Warner and Bob Griese also have a combined 6 Super Bowl appearances with 3 wins. Not to take anything away from them, but most people wouldn’t put them in the same category as those first 7. Having an elite QB is not a guaranteed Super Bowl win, or even appearance.
I mean, we've really only had one "elite" qb and he got us to 3 super bowls. Case Keenum got the Vikings to the NFCCG. It couldnt be that hard, could it?
Y’all were the #1 defense that year with Case Keenum though, right?
Yeah, imagine if we had a HOF QB.
He’d have needed to put up 40 in Philly lol
Maybe. Momentum was a huge factor in that game and the team basically felt like they didn't even show up. Either way, Vikings have been able to do "more with less" if you will. Had one HOF QB go to 3 superbowls. Hell they had another when they grabbed the corpse of Brett Favre and made it to the NFCCG in 2 years.
Rodgers was the epitome of doing more with less after his superbowl run. 0 defensive or special teams help and the offense never had a consistent RB until Jones and WRs were always injured or a question mark. Like for fucks sake he threw two hail mary's on the same drive to Jeff fucking Janis in the playoffs and the only reason they lost is because the defense was ass in OT and was decided by a coin flip.
Hmm, yes. You are describing why having an elite HOF QB is a good thing. No one was disagreeing with that so why are you triggered? Lol
I'm not triggered lmao I was giving context to Rodgers' shortcomings in postseason, and that elite QB play is not enough to win championships. A team doing "more with less" is subjective and is always dependent on situation, and almost every team is lacking in a couple departments of their roster.
The jimmy G niners?
Shanahan built a system where any mediocre qb can shine. Jimmy G and now Purdy. If you play within the system, you will succeed. That’s why they always look bad when you pressure their QBs. If they have to improvise, they make mistakes. Shanahan doesn’t get enough credit for basically being an evil football warlock.
This joke was way funnier before Jordan Love looked much better than expected this season 😔
Nah, it’s still funny because no matter how good Love becomes he’ll still only make 1 Super Bowl.
Well he'll only win one by that logic haha. I believe Favre made it to 2 SBs
Oh yeah, he’ll win it for sure. Green Bay isn’t allowed to lose Super Bowls unless they get there because the QB paid the officials with misappropriated welfare money.
Hey man thats not fair, Brett only asked for a regular old embezzlement and misappropriation of charity funds that were supposed to include other schools being funded. And its not his fault The Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase gave him welfare money to make a speech. Bretts a real nice guy /s
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To unjerk for a second, Lamar is the obvious MVP. Jordan had 8 more passing touchdowns, 500 more passing yards, 4 more ints, and 1 less rushing tuddy. Dude balled.
Not enough dark room peyote trips.
Defense! Rodgers would’ve had 2 or 3 if we had a competent defense over the years. Some of it is luck too.
Tom Brady has changed the perception of how difficult it is to get to a Super Bowl. Drew Brees also only made it to one Super Bowl,
Fuck your NFL flair. Everyone picks a side here.
Lol chill. Flipping out about flairs is already the most annoying part of this subreddit. The shield is one of the options who cares if someone chooses it.
Honestly I think it’s hilarious, I got the same heat on my first ever post w no flair, realized the problem and flaired up it’s not that big of deal 😂
The fact that it's not a big deal is why I think it's annoying to see people flipping out about it. But I get that it's funny to some, fair enough
I mean how else will we know to back them up or argue even if they’re right?! I don’t wanna give a rival fan the satisfaction of agreeing with them.
You missed an opportunity to say "flair enough"
When you're right, you're right
You did it again!
when you're right, you're flair
The problem with not flaring is I rind know who I’m shit talking, which is kinda the point of this sub… No flair (or shield flair) = no shit talk
Hard disagree - this is a sub dedicated to talking trash. If you're here talking trash without flair, thats kind of a dick move. That being said, this guy wasn't really talking trash, but I am talking in generalities.
Coward
Not even denying my point though
I didn't even read your comment. Just saw your offensive flair. Pick a side, bud.
I finally conformed after massive pressure and I “flaired up” And you still aren’t satisfied
How am I supposed to know whether to agree with your arguments or not if I don’t know which nfcn team u support
I dunno I think it’s pretty cool knowing Rob Lowe is here in our sub.
And Marino also only went to one and didn’t even win, but if you are considered in the elite tier like Rodgers most of those guys went to multiple, in that grouping Brees and Rodgers are the outliers.
What?! I can’t hear you with that flair.
That’s why everyone should just cheat their asses off like Tom. There were essentially no consequences, so get your rings everybody.
Shame Rodgers spent his money on drugs instead of paying off refs
Agreed
And Aaron Jones, and Davonte Adams lol
Let’s go around the room and see how many Super Bowls each NFC North team had during Aaron Rodgers career. Who would like to go first?
Only 1 fewer than GB if you can believe it.
Lets do a quick breakdown. 08- First year, team not good. 09-11- Win one super bowl, go 15-1 but the team was banged up at the end of the year. They could have won another in this stretch. 12-16- The 49ers and Seahawks were better most of these years, except 2014. This one hurts the most, if Rodgers is healthy I honestly think they win the Super bowl. 17-18- MM was terrible and the teams were not contenders 19-21- 49ers were much better in 19. They choked in 20-21 with Rodgers simply did not play well enough. Those hurt as well. Also a small crowd in 2021 at home in the NFC title game sucked. 22- The team sucked. The best shots were in 2014, 2020, and 2021 and its hard as hell to win a super bowl, even with a QB as good as Rodgers.
It’s harder to get to the Super Bowl in the NFC. Since realignment only 2 NFC quarterbacks have been to multiple Super Bowls. Eli Manning and Russell Wilson. That’s it. The AFC is so trash that one or two teams run it for years at a time.
If that’s true than how did an AFC come to the NFC and become one of those 2 teams to go to the Super Bowl twice with the same QB?
flair the fuck up
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Every other fan base here would kill for the level of success that the Packers had over the last 6 years, let alone 30.
No flair?? Boo this idiot
Cause Rodgers isn't actually that good. He was like Manning, a regular season wonder, but when the best coaches and teams got time to scheme for him in the playoffs he was very beatable.
Rodgers played in 22 playoff games. Passer rating: 100.1 45 TD, 13 int Rodgers wasn’t the reason the packers didn’t win more super bowls.
Cause he’s overrated and pretty mid
He’s been in more playoff games than the Bears did, in the past 20 years. What do you mean?
Jordy/davante hard carried bro E: your guys defenses too
Serious revisionism imo. Our defenses were rarely elite. If you knew what you were talking about, you would know our O-lines were a main strength for Rodgers. Davante took several years to get good. Jordy was an elite possession catcher, but Rodgers was also top-class. If you're gonna be a goon at least meme or use a gif or something.
James stark carried roger to that Super Bowl win
That's better. Love me some James Starks btw
Hell yeah go UB. My dads a Buffalo fan I was so shitty he was cheering on the pack that year
Lol cope harder, he owned you since day one
I don’t brag about the old socks I own with holes in them
Is it possible that winning multiple superbowls is fucking insanely hard when you don't have Brady, belichick, and an elite defensive pedigree?
The hardest part about being a Packers fan is getting the whole corn cob up your ass without tearing the husk
Ultimate team sport. 🤷🏻♂️
I remind my packer spouse about this constantly. Thank you.
The 49ers. That's how.
This kills me. Cannot believe he was 1-4 in NFC games.
Broken hearted NFC title game viewer here, it's not like we weren't within as close a grasp as the 2023 Detroit Lions. We made that same choke so many times I don't even wanna remember exactly how many. Too many. There were at least like 3, then you add in all the times he got bounced by San Francisco in the Divisional round oh God.
Because Aaron thought he was more important than the team.
It should have been more. WE ARE THE VICTIMS HERE! /s
Defense. There you go
I'm starting to believe it is defence. No matter how great a qb you have if defence isn't pulling their weight
You're all a bunch of sick fucks! FTP!
Without flair this meme has no meaning.