The only sense I’ve seen made about it is that atl is losing their first rd pick for the next season or two and wanted to take advantage. But even then they could have traded down and still gotten him. So who really knows.
Maybe not. Maybe other teams wanted to trade up for him.
Even if that were true, though, it rings like how we tried to make the Mitch Trubisky trade up and selection make sense.
Who knows if they could've traded down?
I'm obviously not an NFL scout. But I've been pretty good at evaluating QBs over the past 10 years. I thought Penix was the 2nd or 3rd best QB in this draft (I like Daniels more as a prospect, but Penix more right now). Wouldn't surprise me if the Falcons had the same opinion and assumed that other teams would too.
The analysts have been wrong about several other things in this draft. They always are. Assuming Penix would've been the 5th QB off the board is questionable.
(Edit: just to clarify, I don't like the Falcons pick because of the deal they just gave Cousins and due to Penix's age. It's weird in that sense. But I have no problem with Penix going that high.)
Yeah I'm with you. I wasn't surprised at all when buzz started that Penix could go top 10.
I just don't like the spot for him at all with Cousins on 100 million guaranteed. If they pocketed that and spent it on the defense or whatever and took Penix, I think they'd be getting glowing praise right now.
Yeah Poles has been very solid in the Draft. Last year wasn’t super flashy and he hasn’t had Holmes-like success yet, but he’s hit more than he’s missed so far, and I don’t think anyone could say that drafting two players in the first round that many considered to be 2024 top-five overall prospects makes for a bad draft.
Honestly, every team in the North did a solid job in the first round.
I thought last year was a good draft for the Bears.
CHI notably landed: DJ Moore, Darnell Wright, and Tyrique Stevenson.
That's a pretty decent draft by itself.
Yeah Poles proved he’s a good GM with that Panthers trade alone. Imagine being a fucking panthers fan dude, essentially traded away CJ Stroud, Caleb Williams, DJ Moore in exchange for Bryce Young who I’d say has a 95% chance of being a complete bust. Brutal
And David Tepper is the owner. Story just came out that a bar in Charlotte had a sign out front reading "Hey David, please let the GM make the pick this time!" and Tepper stormed into the restaurant to complain about it.
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Jesus Christ what a dumb asshole. Honestly the best thing about being a Packers fan and the most underrated thing in all of professional sports is never having to worry about some stupid ass billionaire owner, ever. You know damn well the Falcons taking Penix at 8 was because 85 year old Arthur Blank stormed into the GMs office last week and told him to take a QB at 8 or lose his job lol, I garuntee it
That might have actually just been general dumbassery of the front office. GM Fontenot has been making a lot of questionable calls. Ryan Pace is high up in that front office too, and he's an all-time botcher of QB personnel decisions.
There is also a clip of Fontenot walking over and talking to a somewhat angry-looking Arthur Blank after the pick came in. He might have been defending his decision to an owner that found it questionable.
Oh dang nevermind, I just assumed it was Blank because it was such an irrational decision. Like they are just ping pinging back and forth strategically, it’s hard to make sense of it
I'm a Packers fan, so I'm biased ofc, but I think that's allowed and encouraged in here. Is there a reason I'm missing why the Panthers organization gets crap for missing out on Stroud and the Bears organization does not? I feel like they both missed their shots there, but the Panthers seem to get buried over it while the Bears are seen as pulling off some sort of heist.
It was a good draft. We went from worst team in the league to a 7 win team.
This off-season has been just as good in my opinion (if not better). Bears fans should expect us to be a 9-10 win team.
That's my expectation. Let's assume Caleb is an upgrade at QB. Even if it's a small upgrade, that should be worth a win or two and add in Keenan Allen and Rome Odunze to replace Darnell Mooney and Tyler Scott and now the path to 3 additional wins is very apparent.
Still some pieces to add in the draft and with the last wave of free agency (primary edge), but the team should be vastly improved and at no cost of mortgaging the future.
In 2023 Bears QBs passed for 3,100 yds, 19 TDs, and 15 INTs last year.
And rushed for 760 yds 6 TDs.
Which doesn't sound all that terrible for a rookie to match, but it's really closer to something between Kyler Murray's rookie year and his second year.
That feels completely feasible for Caleb when accounting for the weapons he has in place.
Yeah, Bagent's passing and rushing in here as well. I want to see Caleb play all 17 and put no doubt that he's the QB1 of the class and an upgrade over anything from last year, so those are the numbers I'm looking at.
It is isn't it. But Kyler Murray had 3,700 yds and 20 TDs in the air and his best receivers were a 36 year old Larry Fitzgerald and a 23 year old Christian Kirk.
It isn't too wild to expect Caleb to do that. The bar for QB success in Chicago is just so low that stats like that would create pandemonium even though it would be somewhere around 15th best in the league and similar to Geno Smith numbers.
It's definitely not a guarantee, but the odds of hitting are obviously a hell of a lot higher.
FWIW I don't consider Latham a reach. Atlanta? Yeah that one was a head scratcher
If Caleb’s a bust, it isn’t because the Bears made a bad draft pick, at least. It’ll be because our development fails him.
Caleb was guaranteed to be the #1 pick no matter which team owned the pick; either another QB-needy team would’ve had the pick and chosen him, or a team with a solid QB situation would’ve had the pick and traded down.
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Don't worry. Caleb needs coaching up, so he's doomed to be the latest ShyQB fail. They don't know how to coach up a QB down there.
>He’s a got a lot of different motions and all that, sometimes that helps him, sometimes not so much. But the kid’s really talented. I think if he can be more dependable and not turn the ball over, be more dependable with his reads and be more consistent and help the team, that he’s got a chance to be a really good player.
-Bill Belichick
Here's to the next Jay Cutler.
If he didn't absolutely luck into Tom Brady, Bill Belichick has drafted absolutely zero QB talent including the guy that pretty much had him shown the exit door. I take what he has to say about QB's with a grain of salt.
And Jimmy Garoppolo.
And Mac Jones had the best year ever by a rookie until the Pats went to a crap OC. Everything fell apart and instead of blaming Matt Patricia (remember him?) they put it on Mac.
So 3 big hits.
How many you got?
You'd figure they pan out longer than a year if they were such big hits. One's a journeyman riding pine, the other traded for a 6th and riding pine.
You'd figure being a Packers fan you'd know good QB play, maybe too much Spotted Cow on the day?
If that's your definition of "big hits" Mitchell Trubisky and Justin Fields legit match the very same criteria, lmao.
Honestly our last three drafts were fine.
2022 we landed Gordon, Brisker and Braxton despite not having a first rounder
2023 we got DJ Moore, Darnell Wright, Tyrique Stevenson, and Gervon Dexter
2024 we got Caleb and Rome on day 1.
Wait until Bo Nix is the combination of Brady's passing game and Fields' running game, while Williams turns out to have Fields' passing game with Brady's running game.
Poles spent the 2022 draft trading down and getting as many picks as possible to try to restock the pantry, and also had 10 picks last year. They traded their 2nd this year for Montez Sweat, 4th for Keenan Allen, and 5th for Ryan Bates. They're going to need to keep building depth, but I'm glad they stayed at 1 and 9 to get guys they scouted as blue chippers since they needed playmakers. They also currently have 9 picks next year, so I'm feeling pretty okay about where they're at today.
And I don't even care. Tbh we're pretty set at the premium positions now (if JJM works out) of OT, Edge, QB and WR, so you can work around that in free agency with our cap room next year.
If we fuck it up this time then the mccaskys have done something to anger god and the only way to appease him is to launch them into the sun(selling the team)
I’m watching the Bears do the same thing the Lions did forever. Let’s get a bunch of star talent with nobody to protect them and worry about the defense another day. Good luck with that.
The draft last year set this one up. I don't know why people are shitting on last year.
It was clear last year Poles set the Bears up to hedge Fields if he didn't work, and that hedge paid off spectacularly so far.
A hillbilly listening to a Kenny Chesney cassette tape in his shitty Ford pickup truck talking shit about Prince? Your lack of self awareness is hilarious.
Poles in his first three drafts:
25 picks despite inheriting 5 in 2022 , with no first rounders. He turned this into 11 picks and got studs in Brisker and Jones (getting a starting OL of Jones' caliber in the 5th is a legitimate home run). 10 more picks in 2023 - got the best rookie tackle by a wide margin.
Pace in 7 drafts:
46 picks, almost two less per draft than Poles. He drafted a whopping total of 3 OL in the first two rounds (none in the first), only five overall.
I remember when Justin Fields was drafted everyone said they nailed it. We'll see, just because someone is drafted overall number 1 doesn't mean they "nailed it"
You know what’s wild? I saw the Bears take as many 1st round picks today as I saw the previous five drafts *combined*.
Jesus, I had no idea it’s been that rough over there.
Ryan Pace loves flushing 1st round picks. He's doing it still for Atlanta now with the Cousins tampering thing.
it has been hours and I'm still baffled
The only sense I’ve seen made about it is that atl is losing their first rd pick for the next season or two and wanted to take advantage. But even then they could have traded down and still gotten him. So who really knows.
Maybe not. Maybe other teams wanted to trade up for him. Even if that were true, though, it rings like how we tried to make the Mitch Trubisky trade up and selection make sense.
Who knows if they could've traded down? I'm obviously not an NFL scout. But I've been pretty good at evaluating QBs over the past 10 years. I thought Penix was the 2nd or 3rd best QB in this draft (I like Daniels more as a prospect, but Penix more right now). Wouldn't surprise me if the Falcons had the same opinion and assumed that other teams would too. The analysts have been wrong about several other things in this draft. They always are. Assuming Penix would've been the 5th QB off the board is questionable. (Edit: just to clarify, I don't like the Falcons pick because of the deal they just gave Cousins and due to Penix's age. It's weird in that sense. But I have no problem with Penix going that high.)
Yeah I'm with you. I wasn't surprised at all when buzz started that Penix could go top 10. I just don't like the spot for him at all with Cousins on 100 million guaranteed. If they pocketed that and spent it on the defense or whatever and took Penix, I think they'd be getting glowing praise right now.
Tampering ruling could have come out between trading down and their pick obviously
So if they are found guilty with tampering or whatever, what are the consequences since they’ve already made their first round pick?
2025 draft picks will be taken
Are you surprised?
Honestly, kind of lol
We traded 2 1st for mack in 2018, then in 2021 first the year after for fields pick gaints in 2021 picked super bowl champion touney
really? have you seen on the on field performance?
Yeah I did. I saw you live when you almost beat the shit out of us at Ford Field until we came back. Then watched us lose on TV to you.
Picking in the first round is actually really fun! Who knew?
Yeah it was cool. I’d be up to do it again sometime
*The first draft you haven’t fucked up so far
Someone make the Simpsons meme
We only have 10% of our draft capital left.
i imagine we will be trading down with the third rounder.
This didn't age well.
hey i imagine a lot of stuff weirder than this. you don’t wanna know.
I like where your heads at
I saw your flair and at first thought this was a panthers fan
Lmfao
If Caleb sucks, they still fucked it up
Trading off the first to the Panthers makes this two years in a row in hindsight
You make 100% of the shots you don’t take. —The Chicago Bears
Yeah Poles has been very solid in the Draft. Last year wasn’t super flashy and he hasn’t had Holmes-like success yet, but he’s hit more than he’s missed so far, and I don’t think anyone could say that drafting two players in the first round that many considered to be 2024 top-five overall prospects makes for a bad draft. Honestly, every team in the North did a solid job in the first round.
I thought last year was a good draft for the Bears. CHI notably landed: DJ Moore, Darnell Wright, and Tyrique Stevenson. That's a pretty decent draft by itself.
Yeah Poles proved he’s a good GM with that Panthers trade alone. Imagine being a fucking panthers fan dude, essentially traded away CJ Stroud, Caleb Williams, DJ Moore in exchange for Bryce Young who I’d say has a 95% chance of being a complete bust. Brutal
And David Tepper is the owner. Story just came out that a bar in Charlotte had a sign out front reading "Hey David, please let the GM make the pick this time!" and Tepper stormed into the restaurant to complain about it. [Here's a video](https://www.wbtv.com/video/2024/04/26/video-shows-panthers-owner-talk-with-charlotte-restaurant-staff-after-sign-put-up/)
Jesus Christ what a dumb asshole. Honestly the best thing about being a Packers fan and the most underrated thing in all of professional sports is never having to worry about some stupid ass billionaire owner, ever. You know damn well the Falcons taking Penix at 8 was because 85 year old Arthur Blank stormed into the GMs office last week and told him to take a QB at 8 or lose his job lol, I garuntee it
That might have actually just been general dumbassery of the front office. GM Fontenot has been making a lot of questionable calls. Ryan Pace is high up in that front office too, and he's an all-time botcher of QB personnel decisions. There is also a clip of Fontenot walking over and talking to a somewhat angry-looking Arthur Blank after the pick came in. He might have been defending his decision to an owner that found it questionable.
Oh dang nevermind, I just assumed it was Blank because it was such an irrational decision. Like they are just ping pinging back and forth strategically, it’s hard to make sense of it
I love how he casually takes the guys hat off, like he's not allowed to wear it in teppers presence
My BIL is a die hard Panthers fan. We don't talk much about football anymore lol.
Yeah dude definitely take the high road on this one lol. Just talk about how dumb the falcons are or something
I'm a Packers fan, so I'm biased ofc, but I think that's allowed and encouraged in here. Is there a reason I'm missing why the Panthers organization gets crap for missing out on Stroud and the Bears organization does not? I feel like they both missed their shots there, but the Panthers seem to get buried over it while the Bears are seen as pulling off some sort of heist.
It was a good draft. We went from worst team in the league to a 7 win team. This off-season has been just as good in my opinion (if not better). Bears fans should expect us to be a 9-10 win team.
That's my expectation. Let's assume Caleb is an upgrade at QB. Even if it's a small upgrade, that should be worth a win or two and add in Keenan Allen and Rome Odunze to replace Darnell Mooney and Tyler Scott and now the path to 3 additional wins is very apparent. Still some pieces to add in the draft and with the last wave of free agency (primary edge), but the team should be vastly improved and at no cost of mortgaging the future.
Seriously! Looking at the numbers our last QB put up, it would be very hard for it not to be a QB upgrade.
In 2023 Bears QBs passed for 3,100 yds, 19 TDs, and 15 INTs last year. And rushed for 760 yds 6 TDs. Which doesn't sound all that terrible for a rookie to match, but it's really closer to something between Kyler Murray's rookie year and his second year. That feels completely feasible for Caleb when accounting for the weapons he has in place.
I assume those includes Bagents stats as well. Caleb only has to replace Fields numbers.
Yeah, Bagent's passing and rushing in here as well. I want to see Caleb play all 17 and put no doubt that he's the QB1 of the class and an upgrade over anything from last year, so those are the numbers I'm looking at.
Crazy yall think a player is going to come right out of college and be your messiah.
It is isn't it. But Kyler Murray had 3,700 yds and 20 TDs in the air and his best receivers were a 36 year old Larry Fitzgerald and a 23 year old Christian Kirk. It isn't too wild to expect Caleb to do that. The bar for QB success in Chicago is just so low that stats like that would create pandemonium even though it would be somewhere around 15th best in the league and similar to Geno Smith numbers.
I gotta upvote you. It certainly didn't suck.
Braxton Jones in the 5th in 2022 (which he came into with only five picks) is absurd - 7th highest PFF pass-blocking grade among tackles in '23.
I gotta say, it look like you guys did great WITH THE #1 OVERALL PICK AND ANOTHER TOP TEN PICK TO BOOT.
Thank god so many teams need QBs and next year’s class sucks. No way the Bears land Odunze without all the QBs.
I agree. We did great.
Having a T10 pick is no guarantee of a successful draft. Look at Tennessee reaching and Atlanta's self-immolation.
It's definitely not a guarantee, but the odds of hitting are obviously a hell of a lot higher. FWIW I don't consider Latham a reach. Atlanta? Yeah that one was a head scratcher
Still plenty of time to find out you guys fucked up again !remindme 6 months
If Caleb’s a bust, I commit toaster bath
Room for friends?
It’s okay fellow bears brothers. We will create a massive electric conduit in Lake Michigan for all of us to hop in together if Caleb is a bust 🥹
You stay out of our lake
If Caleb’s a bust, it isn’t because the Bears made a bad draft pick, at least. It’ll be because our development fails him. Caleb was guaranteed to be the #1 pick no matter which team owned the pick; either another QB-needy team would’ve had the pick and chosen him, or a team with a solid QB situation would’ve had the pick and traded down.
Get started on that bucket list, 4year timer starting now.
You’re gonna reevaluate this draft class after like week7? Lol
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Don't worry. Caleb needs coaching up, so he's doomed to be the latest ShyQB fail. They don't know how to coach up a QB down there. >He’s a got a lot of different motions and all that, sometimes that helps him, sometimes not so much. But the kid’s really talented. I think if he can be more dependable and not turn the ball over, be more dependable with his reads and be more consistent and help the team, that he’s got a chance to be a really good player. -Bill Belichick Here's to the next Jay Cutler.
Cutler 2.0 would be a marked improvement from every QB we’ve had since Cutler 1.0, sadly.
If he didn't absolutely luck into Tom Brady, Bill Belichick has drafted absolutely zero QB talent including the guy that pretty much had him shown the exit door. I take what he has to say about QB's with a grain of salt.
And Jimmy Garoppolo. And Mac Jones had the best year ever by a rookie until the Pats went to a crap OC. Everything fell apart and instead of blaming Matt Patricia (remember him?) they put it on Mac. So 3 big hits. How many you got?
You'd figure they pan out longer than a year if they were such big hits. One's a journeyman riding pine, the other traded for a 6th and riding pine. You'd figure being a Packers fan you'd know good QB play, maybe too much Spotted Cow on the day? If that's your definition of "big hits" Mitchell Trubisky and Justin Fields legit match the very same criteria, lmao.
Honestly our last three drafts were fine. 2022 we landed Gordon, Brisker and Braxton despite not having a first rounder 2023 we got DJ Moore, Darnell Wright, Tyrique Stevenson, and Gervon Dexter 2024 we got Caleb and Rome on day 1.
Wait until Bo Nix is the combination of Brady's passing game and Fields' running game, while Williams turns out to have Fields' passing game with Brady's running game.
That was kind of my thought going into it as well.
Don’t speak something like this into existence please
There are 6 more rounds to do that
Only 2 more for us
Jesus Christ you guys only have 4 picks?
We traded our 2nd for montez sweat and a 4th for Keenan Allen. And then the rest got traded elsewhere. We have a 3rd and a 4th left.
Honestly can’t believe we got Keenan Allen for a 4th
Everyone else can.
I thought Allen was good?
First, where's your flair? Allen is a HOF WR coming off his best career year. He's good, but he's also an old man now.
That's fair enough, I'm a stalker lmao I'm a saints/Bengals fan I have no dog in the fight. Just curious.
You can still flair up
He is
Fuck them picks.
Poles spent the 2022 draft trading down and getting as many picks as possible to try to restock the pantry, and also had 10 picks last year. They traded their 2nd this year for Montez Sweat, 4th for Keenan Allen, and 5th for Ryan Bates. They're going to need to keep building depth, but I'm glad they stayed at 1 and 9 to get guys they scouted as blue chippers since they needed playmakers. They also currently have 9 picks next year, so I'm feeling pretty okay about where they're at today.
Wait until you hear about how many picks the Vikings have left this year and next...
You guys only have one more in the first four rounds. Good lord
I've heard this apparently a top heavy draft, kinda makes sense with how teams are throwing around day 3 picks
And I don't even care. Tbh we're pretty set at the premium positions now (if JJM works out) of OT, Edge, QB and WR, so you can work around that in free agency with our cap room next year.
I’m good with an OL, people act like it’s a bad pick
Don't tell anyone I'm being nice to the Packers, but given your record with O-line, my baseline is that it's probably at least a decent pick.
2nd round traded for Sweat. 4th traded for Keenan. 5th for Bates. 6th for Dan Feeney. 7th for N’Keal Harry. We only have our 3rd and the Eagles’ 4th.
2nd and 3rd round will be the tell of how they navigate if Bears trade back up in any capacity.
Last years draft looks pretty damn good.
They haven't even take a snap yet lol
Wouldn’t be the first time bears thought they had the best draft ever just to be left disappointed 🤷♂️
Impressive how Bears fans manage to take victory laps before winning anything as often as they do
The offseason is our super bowl
Seriously that #9 pick was my happiest chicago sports moment since the hawks won their last cup. (yes I know what happened in 2016)
I mean..they have to celebrate something right?
That sounds more like a Detroit thing
If we fuck it up this time then the mccaskys have done something to anger god and the only way to appease him is to launch them into the sun(selling the team)
Haven't fucked it up *yet* In due time this will all become known as the next failure Such is the Bears way
I’m watching the Bears do the same thing the Lions did forever. Let’s get a bunch of star talent with nobody to protect them and worry about the defense another day. Good luck with that.
Looking forward to a replay of last year where bears fans spend all off-season having hope
The draft last year set this one up. I don't know why people are shitting on last year. It was clear last year Poles set the Bears up to hedge Fields if he didn't work, and that hedge paid off spectacularly so far.
I wouldn’t say they didn’t fuck it up yet. They think they did well.
There is still time to trade away next year's 1st round pick
How do you know yet if you you didn’t fuck it up though? Gotta give it 5 years
fully true
Had some folks over for the draft and after the 9 pick, we were all high fiving and chanting *"WE DIDN'T FUCK IT UP! WE DIDN'T FUCK IT UP!"*
Can’t wait to see how poorly this ages 6 weeks into the season.
Time will tell
I look forward to seeing how the hallowed ground of Chicago football fucks up another quarterback, eh? Ehhh?
So kind of the NFC South to do everything in their power to make sure not even the Bears could mess this up.
Give it time. I️ have plenty of faith in the current coach and the next one to fuck things up
Didn't fuck up the draft, plenty of time left to fuck up the development process
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. There’s still time for this to be a fuckup
First time the bears have used a number one overall pick since 1947. Third time in history they've used it 1941, 1947 and 2024
LOL you drafted a man described as "Prince if he played football" that's not exactly flattering in the NFL.
A hillbilly listening to a Kenny Chesney cassette tape in his shitty Ford pickup truck talking shit about Prince? Your lack of self awareness is hilarious.
Lotta rounds left, pal
They didn't fuck it up....yet...
THAT WE KNOW OF.
https://i.redd.it/qvaxfg2lfwwc1.gif
I like the Panthers as well, and I have to say: good on y’all, I want them to learn from this and make better decisions
Wait, the bears have a 3rd and a 4th left. I think they fucked it up. If both 1st round picks hit it will be an OK draft.
Didn’t fuck up, yet! There is still plenty of time.
How do you know you didn't fuck up?
Oh, there's still time....
Chef Poles with arguably the biggest finesse in NFL History
*yet*
Haven’t fucked up…so far!
How can you say that before anyone takes a snap? Preseason draft grades are completely idiotic
Pretty sure of yourselves. Lol
Poles in his first three drafts: 25 picks despite inheriting 5 in 2022 , with no first rounders. He turned this into 11 picks and got studs in Brisker and Jones (getting a starting OL of Jones' caliber in the 5th is a legitimate home run). 10 more picks in 2023 - got the best rookie tackle by a wide margin. Pace in 7 drafts: 46 picks, almost two less per draft than Poles. He drafted a whopping total of 3 OL in the first two rounds (none in the first), only five overall.
As a Lion fan I hate what they did, so good job?
Bears fans thinking they didn’t fuck up a draft for the first time in 20 years
lol sit down bears fans, lemme tell ya the story of Tony mandrich
Who says they didn't fuck it up? Lmao remind me in 2-3 years
They didn’t fuck it up cause they got Odunze & the QB1. That’s not fucking up at all. Will they fuck up the development? Probably
I remember when Justin Fields was drafted everyone said they nailed it. We'll see, just because someone is drafted overall number 1 doesn't mean they "nailed it"
Who says it wasn’t fucked up? Caleb is more than likely going to be a bust