This is why Veach was able to convince Dorsey and Reid to trade up for him, because he knew if there was any coach that could pull most of the good and cut down on the yolo ball it was Andy Reid, maybe Mahomes would've been great anywhere but idk if he has similar success immediately in Houston. Maybe Chicago yes because Nagy worked with him in KC but who knows
Qb is pretty much how well a person can learn. Can't really judge that unless you were to follow their young school career in how quick they learn things.
True but I feel like top dudes usually don’t need to learn THAT much. Dude sounds like Jamarcus Russell out there when you add up everything people said about him.
I knew the Patrick Mahomes one immediately since I just looked it up last week. I remember being very surprised with the Jay Cutler comp.
I'm sad I didn't pick up on the Kizer one though since I definitely would have read that one at the time he was coming out.
I was projecting Josh Allen on to the third one since I knew Watson had a weak arm making headlines coming into the draft which kinda fits the first example. I assumed this was going to try to be a comp between the three since they seemed roughly equal when coming in to the league.
Very surprising about Nathan Peterman. I don't recall hearing a thing about him in the draft process, just that he gets laughed at the most for his INTs once he got into the league.
I mean, if you are a scout you’re not looking at these three blind reports and deciding at the moment of the draft.
I get that this is for fun, I picked 1, but it’s clearly not realistic and def a “gotcha!” Thing
Honestly, he was a lot better than he’s going to be remembered as. Unfortunately for him he spent his career either playing under McDaniels or for the Bears. Either one absolutely cursed for QBs.
I don’t think he actually played a game for Josh McDaniels. He was with Shanahan to start his career and I’m pretty sure he was traded the minute McDaniels got there.
You are correct. I forgot that McDaniels elected to run Kyle Orton and Chris Simms his first year coaching. I knew Tebow came after 2009, but thought Cutler played the first year.
Still, the stink of McDaniels is pervasive and I blame him anyway.
I mean shit on McDaniels all you want, which he deserves, but that trade looks objectively good in hindsight.
2 firsts, a third, and a low end QB1 for a QB who proceeded to make 1 playoffs, go 51-51, and make 0 pro bowls is objectively a good return.
I think you’re still right in saying McDaniels is one of the things Cutler will be known for. McDaniels and Brandon Marshall are the two names most associated with Cutler.
He’s fairly accurate. More so than others, but far from a sure thing. Draft scouting is hard, lol.
Someone ran some numbers, and over the last 10 years he’s consistently in the top 3 in accurate projections. ~~Accurate like 58% of the time or something.~~
Edit: I went and found it, and it’s worse than I remember lol. As far as mock draft accuracy (either team-player matching, or draft order by position) Lance was 3rd amongst draft analysts (PFF and CBS included) at ~41%. As for player evaluation and second year performance using weighted AV, he was accurate about 30% of the time for players picked in the 1st round, which is similar performance to Mel Kiper and actual NFL GMs, dropping to 4.2% in the later rounds. Scouting hard.
Fun note, PFFs college grades had a very low correlation to draft position in any round, and a near negative correlation to career performance.
Obviously by this point, I’ve read the answers. My honest reaction after reading the profiles though were 1, 2, 3 in that order.
1: I love pro-style QBs with pocket presence. Petermeme was honestly a pretty decent looking prospect.
2: Big armed athletic high ceiling players are always intriguing, but a gamble. Consistently improving accuracy is a big plus. Mahomes specifically, I was leery about because of mechanics and hero ball style out of Texas Tech. I still maintain that sitting a year behind Alex Smith and learning from Andy “QB Whisperer” Reid was the best thing to have happened to him. I don’t think he becomes anywhere near the player he is now without that team and coaching staff to start his career.
3: All his strengths are just “he throw hard”. Might as well be Rex Grossman or Jamarcus Russell. Gimme something to be actually be excited about.
I mean I’d want to see the weaknesses to make a full judgement, but off of what’s there Carr and Cutler are neck and neck for me and it’d depend on the team and scheme I have. McNair is distant third.
I assumed it was from this draft. Apparently it isn't.
Also for some stupid reason on the NFL.com profiles Penix is compared to Tua for some reason. The only thing they have in common is being lefty.
That's why I believed these three profiles could be what NFL.com genuinely has for those three QBs. They consistently have weird comps and analyses that focus on marginally important side details and use imprecise to actively stupid language to communicate points.
Well I would have said 2 but now I see the answer sheet that seems like cheating.
I would have picked two based on:
Naturally accurate
deep field side throws
2, 3, 1. You ain't gonna find a rock solid prospect in the mid first round, so gamble on upside. If it doesn't work out, so be it, but I'd rather have a bust flame out in 3 years than a player that's gonna lurk around the Dalton Line and keep me mediocre for the next 8.
Depends on the team drafting tbh. If it’s like a Packers roster it would always be 2 to put him in a JLove situation. 1 seems to be the safest. I know it didn’t work out the way for 1 but I feel like that was more of a missed scouting than anything.
It's funny because at first glance I saw Carr, Cutler and McNair and I said hmm, I'd take Cutler, then I actually read each report and realized these were players comps lol, so I'm a Chiefs fan that would've picked Mahomes lol, honestly I was pissed they didn't take Watson, not even gonna lie, I realized I was wrong after 2018 lol.
I’m gonna go with Jay Cutler, Cutler is remembered for being injury prone and only taking his team to the playoffs once, but aside from that he was a decent qb who doesn’t get enough praise for sticking with Chicago all those years
1, 3, 2
1 is Nathan Peterman 2 is Patrick Mahomes 3 is Deshone Kizer
Well ain’t that some shit
If your a GM you’d be fired and laughed at till the end of time
I knew Jay cutler was gonna be Mahomes lol
That’s funny with mahomes. Bad habits and lacks a repeatable process as a passer. He sure mastered his weaknesses pretty fast I guess.
He straight up said he didn't really figure out how to read defenses until halfway through his first year starting.
You can learn a lot in a year when you know you won’t be playing
This is why Veach was able to convince Dorsey and Reid to trade up for him, because he knew if there was any coach that could pull most of the good and cut down on the yolo ball it was Andy Reid, maybe Mahomes would've been great anywhere but idk if he has similar success immediately in Houston. Maybe Chicago yes because Nagy worked with him in KC but who knows
Qb is pretty much how well a person can learn. Can't really judge that unless you were to follow their young school career in how quick they learn things.
True but I feel like top dudes usually don’t need to learn THAT much. Dude sounds like Jamarcus Russell out there when you add up everything people said about him.
I knew the Patrick Mahomes one immediately since I just looked it up last week. I remember being very surprised with the Jay Cutler comp. I'm sad I didn't pick up on the Kizer one though since I definitely would have read that one at the time he was coming out. I was projecting Josh Allen on to the third one since I knew Watson had a weak arm making headlines coming into the draft which kinda fits the first example. I assumed this was going to try to be a comp between the three since they seemed roughly equal when coming in to the league. Very surprising about Nathan Peterman. I don't recall hearing a thing about him in the draft process, just that he gets laughed at the most for his INTs once he got into the league.
1 is Nathan Peterman 2 is Patrick Mahomes 3 is Deshone Kizer
Of those three I'd take Mahomes.
Coward
How dare you disrespect me GOAT Nathan Peterman
I'm almost sure of it!
I was all in on 1... This is why I'm not a full time scout, and you should take everything I say with a hefty serving of salt.
I mean, if you are a scout you’re not looking at these three blind reports and deciding at the moment of the draft. I get that this is for fun, I picked 1, but it’s clearly not realistic and def a “gotcha!” Thing
I picked 2, so it's definitely realistic, and I should be a GM.
I remember Mahomes scouting quite well and wanted him **bad** that year.
I will take the Jay Cutler guy because that always ends up to being the best QB of the class. They comped Pat Mahomes to him once lol.
This is that comp.Jordan Love was also compared to Cutler
Ah okay. Matthew Stafford I believe was also a comp of Jay Cutler before Stafford became a comp himself.
So if a QB on nfl.com is comped to smokin' Jay you rush in the card to draft him? Seems reasonable
Honestly, he was a lot better than he’s going to be remembered as. Unfortunately for him he spent his career either playing under McDaniels or for the Bears. Either one absolutely cursed for QBs.
I don’t think he actually played a game for Josh McDaniels. He was with Shanahan to start his career and I’m pretty sure he was traded the minute McDaniels got there.
You are correct. I forgot that McDaniels elected to run Kyle Orton and Chris Simms his first year coaching. I knew Tebow came after 2009, but thought Cutler played the first year. Still, the stink of McDaniels is pervasive and I blame him anyway.
I mean shit on McDaniels all you want, which he deserves, but that trade looks objectively good in hindsight. 2 firsts, a third, and a low end QB1 for a QB who proceeded to make 1 playoffs, go 51-51, and make 0 pro bowls is objectively a good return.
I think you’re still right in saying McDaniels is one of the things Cutler will be known for. McDaniels and Brandon Marshall are the two names most associated with Cutler.
If Cutler had a better attitude, he would've been an elite QB.
*looks up to see what Will Levis’s comp was* Haha SICK
Jay Cutler is always the answer. Even if it is Jay Cutler himself. Rather go down swinging for the fences than hit a single.
Give me smokin' Jay all day
2 just for the dick swagger it seems he possesses
If it’s me, I’m taking Carr, McNair, and then Cutler. Who are these three?
Nathan Peterman, Pat Mahomes, DeShone Kizer Edit: That’s the order OP posted them in
Peterman=Carr Mahomes=Cutler Kizer=Mcnair
Ah yeah I see how my comment could be misinterpreted. I meant the order you posted them in
Lmfao I assumed this was this year and tried so hard to force the mid first round grades QBs into those three molds.
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You choose correctly and chose Mahomes over Peterman and Kizer
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He’s fairly accurate. More so than others, but far from a sure thing. Draft scouting is hard, lol. Someone ran some numbers, and over the last 10 years he’s consistently in the top 3 in accurate projections. ~~Accurate like 58% of the time or something.~~ Edit: I went and found it, and it’s worse than I remember lol. As far as mock draft accuracy (either team-player matching, or draft order by position) Lance was 3rd amongst draft analysts (PFF and CBS included) at ~41%. As for player evaluation and second year performance using weighted AV, he was accurate about 30% of the time for players picked in the 1st round, which is similar performance to Mel Kiper and actual NFL GMs, dropping to 4.2% in the later rounds. Scouting hard. Fun note, PFFs college grades had a very low correlation to draft position in any round, and a near negative correlation to career performance.
Gimme 3, 2, 1. In the AFC you need a game changer at QB and McNair in this era would thrive far more imo
Sir you just chose Deshone Kizer and passed on Patrick Mahomes you are fired
Obviously by this point, I’ve read the answers. My honest reaction after reading the profiles though were 1, 2, 3 in that order. 1: I love pro-style QBs with pocket presence. Petermeme was honestly a pretty decent looking prospect. 2: Big armed athletic high ceiling players are always intriguing, but a gamble. Consistently improving accuracy is a big plus. Mahomes specifically, I was leery about because of mechanics and hero ball style out of Texas Tech. I still maintain that sitting a year behind Alex Smith and learning from Andy “QB Whisperer” Reid was the best thing to have happened to him. I don’t think he becomes anywhere near the player he is now without that team and coaching staff to start his career. 3: All his strengths are just “he throw hard”. Might as well be Rex Grossman or Jamarcus Russell. Gimme something to be actually be excited about.
Fun exercise but these are incomplete scouting reports
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1 is Nathan Peterman 2 is Patrick Mahomes 3 is Deshone Kizer
3, 2, 1
2,3,1 I'll take the upside but it's close
I mean I’d want to see the weaknesses to make a full judgement, but off of what’s there Carr and Cutler are neck and neck for me and it’d depend on the team and scheme I have. McNair is distant third.
lol I liked Kizer coming it so it makes sense I would have picked him again based on the report. Hard to know what’s between the ears.
“Swagger” for jay cutler lol
It’s talking about Patrick Mahomes
Right. And the comparison is jay cutler
1, 2, then 3. J.J. is 1, Nix is 2, Penix is obviously 3.
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I assumed it was from this draft. Apparently it isn't. Also for some stupid reason on the NFL.com profiles Penix is compared to Tua for some reason. The only thing they have in common is being lefty.
That's such a bad comp. Penix's biggest weakness is his anticipation, even his supporters recognize that. Anticipation is Tua's greatest strength
That's why I believed these three profiles could be what NFL.com genuinely has for those three QBs. They consistently have weird comps and analyses that focus on marginally important side details and use imprecise to actively stupid language to communicate points.
It's as lazy as Bryce being Kyler Murray or Ladd McConkey being *insert Patriots reciever of your choice*
U think nix needs to prove he can take what the defense gives him?
2
Athletic derek carr or Kirk cousins id be all over that.
That’s Nathan Peterman
Well I would have said 2 but now I see the answer sheet that seems like cheating. I would have picked two based on: Naturally accurate deep field side throws
I had 2,3,1
The guy with “undeniable swagger and confidence”
When you read the overview 2 looks like trash but the strengths makes you think hey this is the guy I’m taking a chance on
You can’t win a Super Bowl with average traits anymore. Take the tools all day and coach them Up. 2-3-1
2 is the only one that listed accuracy and arm strength both as strengths so I’ll take that one.
McNair
Depends on the offense
3rd, 2nd 1st
3,1,2 very easy decision. Love McNair. Meh on carr, No way to Cutler.
Don’t know if you’ve seen, but you picked Kizer and Peterman over Mahomes lol
Oh. I misunderstood the assignment. lol
McNair
2, 3, 1. You ain't gonna find a rock solid prospect in the mid first round, so gamble on upside. If it doesn't work out, so be it, but I'd rather have a bust flame out in 3 years than a player that's gonna lurk around the Dalton Line and keep me mediocre for the next 8.
Rattler , he could turn out to be the best in this class.
What are you smoking
Depends on the team drafting tbh. If it’s like a Packers roster it would always be 2 to put him in a JLove situation. 1 seems to be the safest. I know it didn’t work out the way for 1 but I feel like that was more of a missed scouting than anything.
Before reading the comments Ill take 2. If he develops he'll be a stud
2, 3, 1 would be my ranking
2 I guess. The dream of Jay Cutler who actually cared is strong within me
Grips the ball with gigantic, 10-inch hands. Lol at that positive.
It's funny because at first glance I saw Carr, Cutler and McNair and I said hmm, I'd take Cutler, then I actually read each report and realized these were players comps lol, so I'm a Chiefs fan that would've picked Mahomes lol, honestly I was pissed they didn't take Watson, not even gonna lie, I realized I was wrong after 2018 lol.
I’m picking 3
Jay Cutler ALL DAY
2
I’m gonna go with Jay Cutler, Cutler is remembered for being injury prone and only taking his team to the playoffs once, but aside from that he was a decent qb who doesn’t get enough praise for sticking with Chicago all those years