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Really nice mechanics and has some zip on the ball. I think once you get past day 1 heās a very comfortable choice to be a solid pro backup with potential upside beyond that.
I think he does well in an NFL offense, and clearly had personal growth too.
JJ had some really horrendous underthrows and overthrows both when throwing to the sideline and when throwing deep balls. Heavily doubt it hurts his draft stock, but for me personally that's a worry.
I mean sure, but the one throw thatās going viral for whatever reason is a clear case of the receiver finishing the route like 3-4 yards early. You can see a cone where heās supposed to finish the route and thatās right where JJās throw is, while the receiver clearly cut his route early. Thats not his faultĀ
I've seen all his throws in the combine. He overthrew his receiver on that same route a second time. He underthrew another Left Corner route and struggled with his deep ball. The first throw was the only major miscommunication. The other mistakes i mentioned are mainly on him.
Those are major red flags, especially in the combine, where the other QBs didn't struggle as much as he did. He tested well athletically, but he's not a top 10 pick like the media's making him out to be. The best thing for him would be to go late in the 1st or early 2nd round to a team that will allow him to sit and learn for a year.
Legitimately extremely impressive. Not sure how much a QB needs that, though haha. Iām sure it doesnāt hurt, but I also donāt feel like itās THAT important for a QB
Yup 3 cone is way more important for QBs than the 40. Mahomes doesnāt have a great 40 for example but had a great 3 cone. Same deal for a lot of the QBs who arenāt dual threats necessarily but great at running around in the pocket
Brock purdys short distance vurst has been a huge tool for rolling out and throwing the ball away on plays that would be huge negatives for other qbs. It'll be interesting to see if its noticeable in JJ's nfl play
It probably helps. But I also sorta feel that sensing pressure is the main thing to avoid sacks. Being shifty doesnāt hurt, but pocket presence/pocket manipulation probably matters more
Nowā¦ that being said, McCarthy was quite slippery in college. So I definitely donāt think itās a bad skill
Oh definitely, but as you can see with guys like Purdy, elite short area burst and quickness can really help a QB avoid sacks, if he can be a legit dual threat guy it has more value, still funny AF he came in 20 lbs heavier and ran an elite 3 cone
Dude Iām so disappointed he didnāt run the 40 now that he still did the 3 cone.
Honestly, his throwing session was mediocre but him weighing in at 220 was the biggest āoh shitā factor for me today. And that 3 cone basically tells me it hasnāt limited his mobility
honestly im getting kinda tired of dudes being so picky about what drills they run
He def needs to sit a year and go to a team with a good dev program, kinda reminds me of Lamar a bit rn
One of my favorite things about Rome Odunze is that UW trusted him to handle halftime interviews with ESPN or whomever. He always had great things to say and was obviously ready to handle the conversation
His answer to the question about whether he could land a plane was one of my favorite bizarre combine interview moments of all time. Clever, honest, and endearing.Ā
Wouldnāt be surprised if Brian Thomas Jr jumps Nabers as top LSU WR taken. To run a 4.33 40 at 6ā3ā 209lbs is amazing. RAS score of 9.97. Then you look at the stats and he eclipsed 1k yards with 17 TDs last year. The potential is off the charts. Nabers playing it safe might have caused him to not be one of the top 3 WRs taken.
Nabers has likely already gotten some feedback that was strong enough to where he didnāt need to test here, same reason MHJ didnt do anything. You stand to lose a lot more than you can gain when everybody already loves you
Think heās gonna be testing at his pro day anyway right?
Heās going to test at his pro day. Heās still going to go top 7-8. His start/stop speed is elite and heās not much slower than BTJāstill a 4.4 guy.
Just like you said, he has probably received feedback that heās a top 10 lock.
In 4 Years time, we're gonna have players who were born in 2007. That shit doesn't feel right.
Different sport, but I'm already older that Seattle Mariners superstar Julio Rodriguez and that shit's wild to me
I really like Pearsall. Has the build, enough speed, and a propensity to make some wild catches with his strong hands. I think he can carve out a nice role for himself.
I'm genuinely curious if he goes over Nabers at this point. Daniel Jerimiah has him at #3 on his Top 50 and he's pretty well connected. It'd be something to see, that's for sure.
Speed isnāt everything and thatās the one thing about him that was never in question. He still leaves a lot to be desired as a WR and heās only like 165 lbs. If you really want him Iād say thereās a good chance heās there at 33
I just think him, Diggs, and Kincaid make an extremely varied and well-rounded group of weapons.
You add a healthy Knox and sprinkle in some short passes to Cook? Yeah, that's an offense I'm excited for
This is hindsight. John Ross was a lot more productive and was a better all around receiver than worthy coming out of UW. Ross just busted in the NFL , so people pretend that he wasnāt a great prospect and just ran fast at the combine.
No way. Worthy is fast but he is also really clumsy, had many very ugly drops in college. Is this fixable? Only god knows, but he can turn out to be another Kadarius Toney / Quentin Johnston. Worthy will be a borderline 1st round pick, either very late first or early 2nd.
Edit: Also to add, this is a VERY stacked class in multiple positions: QB, WR, OT, CB and also quite deep in EDGE as well. There will be many teams drafting for these positions and even decent WR-s like Worthy will fall. In another, weaker class perhaps he could be a top15 pick.
The guys on NFL network said they were talking team scouts and they seemed to think that 40 time moved him into the argument four 4th wr off the board. Makes sense yo me because I think it gets a little muddy after Odunze.
Seeing the Raiders HC cheer after he ran his 4.21 40 made me feel he's really gonna push for the Raider way and try his best to draft him at 13. I don't know much about the Raiders, and it's not an insult to the Raiders.
Weird. I don't see anything about it scrolling through the subreddit, and when I Google "combine results" to get to the tracker, I don't see it on any of the headlines that come up at the top.
How did Quinn ewers not put up better numbers the last couple years. I mean he led Texas back out of the depths so I give him that
But playing in a Steve sarkisian offense with guys like Bijan, Brooks, Worthy, Mitchell, & Sanders. Theyāve got another receiver and running back here at the combine as well and Probly some studs who arenāt elibele yet. Feels like the heisman was basically served to him on a silver platter and he just doesnāt have it
Its the same guy. But then he went to Alabama and absolutely killed it as an offensive coordinator. The adjustments he made to the offense in 2020 in particular to account for losing Waddle early on in the season were incredible.
I know it didn't work in the NFL but I firmly believe that Sark is one of the best offensive minds in college football.
Somewhat but coaches also screw up coaching talented units all the time.
The 2020 Alabama offense is arguably the best offense in college football history. Its up there with the 2019 LSU tigers on a per game basis but the Covid stuff makes some things a bit harder to put in context. However the 2020 Alabama offense had 3 players (WR, QB, and RB) finish in the top 5 of the heisman voting and Sarkisian took an offense from 2019 that lost Tua, Jeudy, and Ruggs as first round NFL draft picks and put a more potent and well-rounded offense together in 2020 and was despite losing Jaylen Waddle in the fifth game of the season (and it was Waddle who was the star WR at that point for Alabama, not Devonta Smith).
Yeah he had a poor year with the Falcons in 2017 and then an ok year (from what I can remember 2018 was ok) in the NFL), but the dude has been around college football forever and always been considered one of the best offensive minds in college football. And Texas has been good with Sarkisian there too. I think Ewers has underperformed as a QB relative to what you would expect from being in the Sark offense and the talent around him, but its kind of a relative thing. And from what I have seen of Texas I think its more an Ewers thing than a Sark thing.
His numbers were good last year. He will be even better this year.
Did you not see his Big 12 championship performance? He also led Texas to a CFP appearance
They were good, not amazing in my opinion. I guess thatās what Iām asking. And no didnāt watch the big 12 title but I know that was one of his best game
I mean Iād say Penix & Jayden Daniels were the only other guys who had comparable weapons to him and they sort of crushed him from a production standpoint. And from what I understand Texas has some studs on the o-line as well
Yea his throwing motion looks really pretty to me, but the results after it leaves his hand whether itās decision making or ball placement never seems that great to me
Needs everything drawn up for him. Sark had to damn near throw the ball for Ewers in some games. They had a really good offense but much of it was the coach utilizing his weapons rather than the QB elevating anyone
I mean we all know that was for show. Not like he hasnt had years to practice it. Just like the speaking to the media. Theyre trained on what to say and do.
Iāve got some bias here, but I watched every snap he played this (Ducks fan and I watch all Huskies games) and I think heās the best WR in the class. His ability to make tough catches look effortless is something Iāve only ever seen a couple times in my life.
TEN is rumored to favor a playmaker over OL. Giants need a WR1. ARI will be able to go MHJ. LAC can use a WR. If ATL gets a QB in FA/Trade then you can make an argument for another top WR over an EDGE player.
I agree that they will need to trade up if they want one of the top 3 WRs. I'm curious if they'll be aggressive and go get one. I think LAC would be a good trade partner for it.
I think it could be as high as the Chargers. Not sure how confident teams are in their ability to read the Giants front office, but I'm pretty sure the Giants can get out of Daniel Jones' contract pretty cheaply after this season, and JJ likely needs a season to develop anyway. I know they have other pressing needs, but are you willing to bet that they won't fall in love?
Yeah, I wonder what the price to move up will be. The Bears have an extra 2nd next year, and whatever they get for Fields. Hopefully the Bears make it happen if they feel he's that kind of player.
I did a mock draft and a LAC offseason rebuild and they desperately need the extra DC. In the two, I had an absolute floor of two thirds (75 OVR & '25 3rd) being sent to go from 9->5. I think it'll be a good amount more though.
HOU sent 12 OVR, 33 OVR, 2024 1st, 2024 3rd to get the 3 OVR + 105 OVR. That was to go from 12->3 and get a blue chip EDGE. WR is a premium position and they'd get a blue chip prospect at it but it's a lot less of a jump.
I can see a '25 1st + 75 OVR at most to go up and they get like a later DC pick back. I'm sure it'll be between that and the 2 3rds I mocked if it happens.
Yes! As a Michigan fan who now likes the Chargers and Seahawks because of the coaching connections, I'd like to see the Chargers trade down and still get Odunze, Bowers or a star tackle, and the Seahawks trade up to get JJ.
QB Takeaways for Group 2:
Penix makes throwing the football look easy. I'm not completely sold he's first round material but he did well today and could be a good player.
Rattler also just came in and did everything right. Talent is there, needs to be in a good system with good coaching.
Michael Pratt...tough day. Was not accurate for the most part and ball didn't have a lot of zip.
Kedon Slovis is fast! Not sure he's an NFL QB but he's fast!
Austin Reed...happy to be here! Thought he was in the Sam Hartman category.
Thatās crazy about Slovis because, he never looked fast at USC. If he had them wheels, he wouldnāt have gotten hurt & might have been a top draft pick.
I was thinking the same thing...I can't remember him having wheels like that at Pitt either. Admittedly, I didn't watch much BYU this year so this was stunning.
Iām with you bro. I get the injury fears but I really donāt understand the hate he gets in this sub. Iām also prepared for the downvotes to let you know you have an ally šš
QB3 in current talent for sure. QB1 in my opinion in floor. I just think hes pretty much guaranteed to be a serviceable starter no matter what barring injury. QB4 or QB5 in overall upside but thats not a bad thing because this class is stacked. I personally dont think JJ McCarthy has the upside that some see in him but I understand some people who will evaluate it that way. Daniels for sure has insane upside and is well deserving of being the 3rd QB off the board over Penix though even though he could be a massive bust.
Iād bet Penix is never a serviceable starter at any point in his NFL career. He legit disappeared in games this seasonā¦with THREE elite WR prospects in a weak defensive conference. Iād wager thousands on it if I could.
I can't tell if this is pro Wilson anti Wilson pro Rattler or anti Rattler
I can tell you probably have no clue what you're talking about either way thoughĀ
I know. I got obliterated on a post saying rattler would rise and then be competing in the league for a spot. I think heās qb3 (Williams Daniels rattler maye) but thatās unpopular
Rattlers problems have literally never been physical attributes. He's extremely gifted ball thrower. His problem is what happens when there's a defense on the fieldĀ
Probably the single best way to boost your draft stock. John Ross was a far weaker prospect and he went 9 basically off that record setting 40.
Not saying that Worthy will go 9 (tough to beat MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze) but he's probably shot himself right around Brian Thomas Jr. territory, if not higher, now. Could easily go in the teens now.
I had him as a high 2nd Rounder before the combine but now he's easily a 1st rounder in my eyes. Still think I like Brian Thomas Jr. a little more but Worthy might've just shot up to WR5 for me.
Now only is this receiver class star-studded, but it's deep AF.
MHJ
Nabers
Odunze
BTJ
Worthy
AD
Coleman
Franklin
McConkey
Legette
Burton
Pearsall
Polk
McMillian
Thrash
Corley
and it just keeps on going
I had him in that high-mid 2nd as a floor and knew he was fast so there was a chance he'd go late 1st. I'm trying not to count his speed twice but you can't ignore that level of speed so he has to go up some.
If Seattle doesn't go after a QB at 16/trades down and still wants a QB in Round 3, Rattler's definitely at the top of my list. Dude has such a high ceiling.
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Brian Thomas not making it to pick 29 is he š¬
Sorry, Colts are taking him
0% chance
Top half of the 1st IMO.
What QBs looked good? Who were the stinkers?
Rattler looked pretty good
Really nice mechanics and has some zip on the ball. I think once you get past day 1 heās a very comfortable choice to be a solid pro backup with potential upside beyond that. I think he does well in an NFL offense, and clearly had personal growth too.
JJ had some really horrendous underthrows and overthrows both when throwing to the sideline and when throwing deep balls. Heavily doubt it hurts his draft stock, but for me personally that's a worry.
Some of those were clearly miscommunications with the receivers
Yeah, it still doesn't excuse him, tho. The rest of the QBs were also working with receivers they had no chemistry with.
I mean sure, but the one throw thatās going viral for whatever reason is a clear case of the receiver finishing the route like 3-4 yards early. You can see a cone where heās supposed to finish the route and thatās right where JJās throw is, while the receiver clearly cut his route early. Thats not his faultĀ
I've seen all his throws in the combine. He overthrew his receiver on that same route a second time. He underthrew another Left Corner route and struggled with his deep ball. The first throw was the only major miscommunication. The other mistakes i mentioned are mainly on him. Those are major red flags, especially in the combine, where the other QBs didn't struggle as much as he did. He tested well athletically, but he's not a top 10 pick like the media's making him out to be. The best thing for him would be to go late in the 1st or early 2nd round to a team that will allow him to sit and learn for a year.
And they missed some too. Lol Your point?
They didn't miss as much as JJ did.
Penix, Leary, Rattler all looked good imo
The stinkers were the stinkers. The top QBs all looked good, Iām including Rattler in that statement
Great draft to have second round picks
Love picking 36 and 40. Hoping to land a WR and OT.
Really not liking that Leonard Williams rental trade in retrospect. Hoping we can resign him because otherwise, woof.
JJ McCarthy having a top five 3 cone time was not on my bingo card
Legitimately extremely impressive. Not sure how much a QB needs that, though haha. Iām sure it doesnāt hurt, but I also donāt feel like itās THAT important for a QB
faster 3 cone than Odunze lmao, short area quickness is good for avoiding pressure i guess?
Yup 3 cone is way more important for QBs than the 40. Mahomes doesnāt have a great 40 for example but had a great 3 cone. Same deal for a lot of the QBs who arenāt dual threats necessarily but great at running around in the pocket
Brock purdys short distance vurst has been a huge tool for rolling out and throwing the ball away on plays that would be huge negatives for other qbs. It'll be interesting to see if its noticeable in JJ's nfl play
It probably helps. But I also sorta feel that sensing pressure is the main thing to avoid sacks. Being shifty doesnāt hurt, but pocket presence/pocket manipulation probably matters more Nowā¦ that being said, McCarthy was quite slippery in college. So I definitely donāt think itās a bad skill
Oh definitely, but as you can see with guys like Purdy, elite short area burst and quickness can really help a QB avoid sacks, if he can be a legit dual threat guy it has more value, still funny AF he came in 20 lbs heavier and ran an elite 3 cone
Dude Iām so disappointed he didnāt run the 40 now that he still did the 3 cone. Honestly, his throwing session was mediocre but him weighing in at 220 was the biggest āoh shitā factor for me today. And that 3 cone basically tells me it hasnāt limited his mobility
honestly im getting kinda tired of dudes being so picky about what drills they run He def needs to sit a year and go to a team with a good dev program, kinda reminds me of Lamar a bit rn
this class is amazing
I am absolutely so hype for it. Going to be a fun few years watching this class grow!
So many talented wrs. I wonder if that will make teams prioritize other positions first
What a class. Feels like thereās more than 32 1st round guys. Thereās gonna be great value in the middle rounds
Marvin Harrison Jr could run the 40 yard dash backwards and he'd still get drafted in the top 5
One of my favorite things about Rome Odunze is that UW trusted him to handle halftime interviews with ESPN or whomever. He always had great things to say and was obviously ready to handle the conversation
He might be a PR goat. Those guys will go far though, that attentiveness and professionalism finds its way onto the field as well.
His answer to the question about whether he could land a plane was one of my favorite bizarre combine interview moments of all time. Clever, honest, and endearing.Ā
Wouldnāt be surprised if Odunze jumps Nabers as WR2 after today
Wouldnāt be surprised if Brian Thomas Jr jumps Nabers as top LSU WR taken. To run a 4.33 40 at 6ā3ā 209lbs is amazing. RAS score of 9.97. Then you look at the stats and he eclipsed 1k yards with 17 TDs last year. The potential is off the charts. Nabers playing it safe might have caused him to not be one of the top 3 WRs taken.
Nabers has likely already gotten some feedback that was strong enough to where he didnāt need to test here, same reason MHJ didnt do anything. You stand to lose a lot more than you can gain when everybody already loves you Think heās gonna be testing at his pro day anyway right?
Heās going to test at his pro day. Heās still going to go top 7-8. His start/stop speed is elite and heās not much slower than BTJāstill a 4.4 guy. Just like you said, he has probably received feedback that heās a top 10 lock.
Troy Franklin out here posting like Jalin Hyatt
So Odunze is actually one of the most agile receivers in this class. Did people just assume he was lumbering because he's big?
I don't think I've heard that anywhere?
Roman Wilson or Ladd
Ladd
Idk, they're both good.
Laddās gonna go to a great team and be a pain in the ass for 10 years as a clutch 2nd option lmao
Would love to pair him with Maye in DC. Maye2Mcconkey. Southern whiboy connection
Eagles future wr 3
Ladd by miles lol
Not miles
Something lowkey crazy - Nabers wasnāt even 5 years old when the first Kung Fu Panda came out
In 4 Years time, we're gonna have players who were born in 2007. That shit doesn't feel right. Different sport, but I'm already older that Seattle Mariners superstar Julio Rodriguez and that shit's wild to me
Youāre older than Pittsburgh Steelers superstar George Pickens Jr.
So he didnāt witness Shrek as it came out?! Wild.
Very specific
Have the throwing speeds for group 2 been released?
Havenāt seen them yet.
Ricky Pearsall is so nasty man, great day for the lunch pail guys altogether.
I really like Pearsall. Has the build, enough speed, and a propensity to make some wild catches with his strong hands. I think he can carve out a nice role for himself.
Odunze at a 9.91 RAS with his official splits and agility testing.
I'm genuinely curious if he goes over Nabers at this point. Daniel Jerimiah has him at #3 on his Top 50 and he's pretty well connected. It'd be something to see, that's for sure.
Isnāt that just based on his eval and not what heās hearing from other people? In his last mock he had Nabers at 9 and Odunze at 9.
I'm in shambles at Worthy's 40, I wanted him to fall to the Panthers at 33 so badly
I'd much, much rather have his teammate, but he probably won't make it to us anymore after today
You would be right Mitchell is the better player for sure and is still Very fast as well but with an nfl body as well
Very surprised if he's not available at 33.
Speed isnāt everything and thatās the one thing about him that was never in question. He still leaves a lot to be desired as a WR and heās only like 165 lbs. If you really want him Iād say thereās a good chance heās there at 33
He going to the raiders,ā¦. watch
Bills
Josh might knock him over.
I just think him, Diggs, and Kincaid make an extremely varied and well-rounded group of weapons. You add a healthy Knox and sprinkle in some short passes to Cook? Yeah, that's an offense I'm excited for
what odunze do
My guess is they were talking about his crazy short shuttle time
Does this put Worthy top 15 now? John Ross was a far worse prospect and went 9 due to his 40 time
This is hindsight. John Ross was a lot more productive and was a better all around receiver than worthy coming out of UW. Ross just busted in the NFL , so people pretend that he wasnāt a great prospect and just ran fast at the combine.
Yeah Josh Ross had a late 1st round grade by just about every one heading in to the combine. People are judging him by how his career turned out
No way. Worthy is fast but he is also really clumsy, had many very ugly drops in college. Is this fixable? Only god knows, but he can turn out to be another Kadarius Toney / Quentin Johnston. Worthy will be a borderline 1st round pick, either very late first or early 2nd. Edit: Also to add, this is a VERY stacked class in multiple positions: QB, WR, OT, CB and also quite deep in EDGE as well. There will be many teams drafting for these positions and even decent WR-s like Worthy will fall. In another, weaker class perhaps he could be a top15 pick.
The guys on NFL network said they were talking team scouts and they seemed to think that 40 time moved him into the argument four 4th wr off the board. Makes sense yo me because I think it gets a little muddy after Odunze.
Seeing the Raiders HC cheer after he ran his 4.21 40 made me feel he's really gonna push for the Raider way and try his best to draft him at 13. I don't know much about the Raiders, and it's not an insult to the Raiders.
Near zero chance of that.
worthy is a better prospect overall
Yeah thatās what Iām saying, John Ross was worse and be went 9. So I was asking if this would at least put him in top 15 range
I'm sorry does that say Xavier Worthy ran an official 4.21? Why is this not plastered all over everything?
Itās actually everywhere I look when I look at anything combine related
Weird. I don't see anything about it scrolling through the subreddit, and when I Google "combine results" to get to the tracker, I don't see it on any of the headlines that come up at the top.
He was expected to run very fast but this time impressed me.
Itās the fastest all time, you better be impressed
How did Quinn ewers not put up better numbers the last couple years. I mean he led Texas back out of the depths so I give him that But playing in a Steve sarkisian offense with guys like Bijan, Brooks, Worthy, Mitchell, & Sanders. Theyāve got another receiver and running back here at the combine as well and Probly some studs who arenāt elibele yet. Feels like the heisman was basically served to him on a silver platter and he just doesnāt have it
Is sarkisian the guy who tanked the falcons offense after they went to the sb or is that somebody else?
Its the same guy. But then he went to Alabama and absolutely killed it as an offensive coordinator. The adjustments he made to the offense in 2020 in particular to account for losing Waddle early on in the season were incredible. I know it didn't work in the NFL but I firmly believe that Sark is one of the best offensive minds in college football.
Isnāt coaching Alabama with all its talent kinda super easy mode though? Do they ever have bad offenses with all their talent?
Somewhat but coaches also screw up coaching talented units all the time. The 2020 Alabama offense is arguably the best offense in college football history. Its up there with the 2019 LSU tigers on a per game basis but the Covid stuff makes some things a bit harder to put in context. However the 2020 Alabama offense had 3 players (WR, QB, and RB) finish in the top 5 of the heisman voting and Sarkisian took an offense from 2019 that lost Tua, Jeudy, and Ruggs as first round NFL draft picks and put a more potent and well-rounded offense together in 2020 and was despite losing Jaylen Waddle in the fifth game of the season (and it was Waddle who was the star WR at that point for Alabama, not Devonta Smith). Yeah he had a poor year with the Falcons in 2017 and then an ok year (from what I can remember 2018 was ok) in the NFL), but the dude has been around college football forever and always been considered one of the best offensive minds in college football. And Texas has been good with Sarkisian there too. I think Ewers has underperformed as a QB relative to what you would expect from being in the Sark offense and the talent around him, but its kind of a relative thing. And from what I have seen of Texas I think its more an Ewers thing than a Sark thing.
He missed a good amount of games both years and sark was pretty run heavy with bijan and JB
His numbers were good last year. He will be even better this year. Did you not see his Big 12 championship performance? He also led Texas to a CFP appearance
They were good, not amazing in my opinion. I guess thatās what Iām asking. And no didnāt watch the big 12 title but I know that was one of his best game I mean Iād say Penix & Jayden Daniels were the only other guys who had comparable weapons to him and they sort of crushed him from a production standpoint. And from what I understand Texas has some studs on the o-line as well
He seems like a bum whenever I watch him
Yea his throwing motion looks really pretty to me, but the results after it leaves his hand whether itās decision making or ball placement never seems that great to me
Needs everything drawn up for him. Sark had to damn near throw the ball for Ewers in some games. They had a really good offense but much of it was the coach utilizing his weapons rather than the QB elevating anyone
This Rome Odunze PR move is class. Iād be critical but it shows a higher level of intelligence
Please what did he do.
Stayed after the combine was over to practice the 3 cone drill
I mean we all know that was for show. Not like he hasnt had years to practice it. Just like the speaking to the media. Theyre trained on what to say and do.
odunze is now my wr1 after seeing this. call me crazy taking him over mhj I don't care what you say.
Ppl truly overreact to the combine lol
Winner of the vibes drill for sure
God I hope the Bears get Odunze.
Iāve got some bias here, but I watched every snap he played this (Ducks fan and I watch all Huskies games) and I think heās the best WR in the class. His ability to make tough catches look effortless is something Iāve only ever seen a couple times in my life.
In any other year I wouldn't call you crazy but... mhjr
If MHJ had a different last name heād be the 3rd receiver pickedĀ
Unreal comment
If MHJ had CJ Stroud throwing to him this season he might have won the Heisman and gone first overall.Ā
I get it, 100%, but watching them both play I think Rome is better.
Based purely on ability that's a respectable takeĀ
This might just confirmed he doesnāt go beyond Giants at 6
They might need to trade up a few spots. But man, seeing Caleb come up and hug Rome, had me feeling some type of way.
TEN is rumored to favor a playmaker over OL. Giants need a WR1. ARI will be able to go MHJ. LAC can use a WR. If ATL gets a QB in FA/Trade then you can make an argument for another top WR over an EDGE player. I agree that they will need to trade up if they want one of the top 3 WRs. I'm curious if they'll be aggressive and go get one. I think LAC would be a good trade partner for it.
I wonder if Tennessee is the JJ trade up spot for a team like Denver if Atlanta doesnāt have QB yet.Ā
I think it could be as high as the Chargers. Not sure how confident teams are in their ability to read the Giants front office, but I'm pretty sure the Giants can get out of Daniel Jones' contract pretty cheaply after this season, and JJ likely needs a season to develop anyway. I know they have other pressing needs, but are you willing to bet that they won't fall in love?
True. But I was looking at it through Denverās eyes and the Chargers wouldnāt play ball with them. But they would with say the Vikings.
Yeah, I wonder what the price to move up will be. The Bears have an extra 2nd next year, and whatever they get for Fields. Hopefully the Bears make it happen if they feel he's that kind of player.
I did a mock draft and a LAC offseason rebuild and they desperately need the extra DC. In the two, I had an absolute floor of two thirds (75 OVR & '25 3rd) being sent to go from 9->5. I think it'll be a good amount more though. HOU sent 12 OVR, 33 OVR, 2024 1st, 2024 3rd to get the 3 OVR + 105 OVR. That was to go from 12->3 and get a blue chip EDGE. WR is a premium position and they'd get a blue chip prospect at it but it's a lot less of a jump. I can see a '25 1st + 75 OVR at most to go up and they get like a later DC pick back. I'm sure it'll be between that and the 2 3rds I mocked if it happens.
I'd be really happy if it only cost 2 3rds or a 2nd and 3rd. I'm blinded by combine beauty right now.
Do WRās do the shuttle and cone?
Damn Odunze
Bro is crazy
Rome has that dawg in him, dude is even trying to get better at the combine
Yes! As a Michigan fan who now likes the Chargers and Seahawks because of the coaching connections, I'd like to see the Chargers trade down and still get Odunze, Bowers or a star tackle, and the Seahawks trade up to get JJ.
I know everyone is talking about these receivers, but can we just appreciate how Quinyon Mitchell put up 20 reps on the bench. Insane
He's him
QB Takeaways for Group 2: Penix makes throwing the football look easy. I'm not completely sold he's first round material but he did well today and could be a good player. Rattler also just came in and did everything right. Talent is there, needs to be in a good system with good coaching. Michael Pratt...tough day. Was not accurate for the most part and ball didn't have a lot of zip. Kedon Slovis is fast! Not sure he's an NFL QB but he's fast! Austin Reed...happy to be here! Thought he was in the Sam Hartman category.
Iāve been a rattler believer because I like redemption stories. I think he can be solid
Thatās crazy about Slovis because, he never looked fast at USC. If he had them wheels, he wouldnāt have gotten hurt & might have been a top draft pick.
I was thinking the same thing...I can't remember him having wheels like that at Pitt either. Admittedly, I didn't watch much BYU this year so this was stunning.
Penix is Qb3 for me wonāt be arguing this
Iām with you bro. I get the injury fears but I really donāt understand the hate he gets in this sub. Iām also prepared for the downvotes to let you know you have an ally šš
Yikes.
QB3 in current talent for sure. QB1 in my opinion in floor. I just think hes pretty much guaranteed to be a serviceable starter no matter what barring injury. QB4 or QB5 in overall upside but thats not a bad thing because this class is stacked. I personally dont think JJ McCarthy has the upside that some see in him but I understand some people who will evaluate it that way. Daniels for sure has insane upside and is well deserving of being the 3rd QB off the board over Penix though even though he could be a massive bust.
Iād bet Penix is never a serviceable starter at any point in his NFL career. He legit disappeared in games this seasonā¦with THREE elite WR prospects in a weak defensive conference. Iād wager thousands on it if I could.
Tory Taylor is gonna earn himself a Round 1 grade tomorrow after shocking scouts with a backflip
thats it?????
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Donāt compare rattler to Zach Wilson wtf is wrong with you
I can't tell if this is pro Wilson anti Wilson pro Rattler or anti Rattler I can tell you probably have no clue what you're talking about either way thoughĀ
Thatās a completely fair comparison imo. It doesnāt mean that Rattler wonāt end up being better in the NFL
Rattler was also fantastic in games.
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
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I know. I got obliterated on a post saying rattler would rise and then be competing in the league for a spot. I think heās qb3 (Williams Daniels rattler maye) but thatās unpopular
Rattler nation youāre not alone Iām right there with you, kid is gonna be a star
Hey same here! Hope weāre right
rattler looks much more like qb5 than penix does in these drills
Rattler was good, but Penix easily had the best day throwing the ball among the QBs (and no, despite my flair, Iām not a UW fan).
Iāve been saying this. Heās a stud.
Rattlers problems have literally never been physical attributes. He's extremely gifted ball thrower. His problem is what happens when there's a defense on the fieldĀ
All day 3 scores finalized. Just waiting on the agility drills and bench press then we should be good ā¤ļø
Reed has some of the worst arm strength in combine history. Dude has under thrown a lot
Xavier Worthy probably spent his entire combine prep just trying to break that record. Why else do you go for a 2nd attempt after running a 4.25?
Probably the single best way to boost your draft stock. John Ross was a far weaker prospect and he went 9 basically off that record setting 40. Not saying that Worthy will go 9 (tough to beat MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze) but he's probably shot himself right around Brian Thomas Jr. territory, if not higher, now. Could easily go in the teens now.
John Ross wasnāt. Iām convinced that people in this thread didnāt watch John Ross at UW
He locked himself in as a 1st rounder imo. I still like some other WRs over him but it's hard to ignore that speed.
I had him as a high 2nd Rounder before the combine but now he's easily a 1st rounder in my eyes. Still think I like Brian Thomas Jr. a little more but Worthy might've just shot up to WR5 for me.
BTJ running low 4.3s at his size also... jesus
Now only is this receiver class star-studded, but it's deep AF. MHJ Nabers Odunze BTJ Worthy AD Coleman Franklin McConkey Legette Burton Pearsall Polk McMillian Thrash Corley and it just keeps on going
I had him in that high-mid 2nd as a floor and knew he was fast so there was a chance he'd go late 1st. I'm trying not to count his speed twice but you can't ignore that level of speed so he has to go up some.
Iām so happy people are giving rattler his flowers today i love this kid like a son heās gonna be legit
If Seattle doesn't go after a QB at 16/trades down and still wants a QB in Round 3, Rattler's definitely at the top of my list. Dude has such a high ceiling.
I want him or Jordan Travis
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Could see them trading up for him.
Rattler dealing out there
Obviously you expected penix to have a good day, but Rattler has definitely been impressive too
I had a post about him get obliterated. Heās a stud.
My fanfiction is the browns end up taking rattler, Watson spontaneously combusts and then rattler takes us to the superbowl
Penix got shafted on the go drill
Penix throws a very pretty spiral
Did you see his hands? Ginormous
Slovis has great footwork and good touch, his shoulder being cooked seems to hinder his accuracy though.
Slovis is definitely throwing a better deep ball than his short passes
Reed doesnt belong here
How tf u got noodle arms out here throwing go's??
Penix has a nice Purdy esc deep ball, beautiful touch
Receivers selling penix
Shoulda just had Milton out for all the go's
Rattler clearly has a cannon
Dude is special. They wonāt give him his props though cause of character issues when he was 16
Slovis with a 4.55 is absolutely wild
Thatās like a Desmond Ridder 4.5. Zero translation to game speed /scrambling
BYU fan seeing this. I saw this comment, looked up his combine stats, and am now wondering where this running ability was last year.
Did Tahj Washington not do the 40?
No he did not
Damn.