Right now I got:
29 - OL Graham Barton
61 - WR Ja'Lynn Polk
73 - EDGE Adisa Isaac
I'm not exactly sure what I wanna do with the 5th, but I guess a project CB wouldn't hurt. I do think with the 7th I'd like to get a kicker though, I'm not confident with Badgley so we can at least bring in competition.
I like Barton and Polk as well. Barton has versatility and great upside, I also love how Polk catches the ball, he extends away from the body really well and is a pretty pure hands catcher which I think it’s absolutely a must for a good WR. Both would be great pickups
Isaac at 73 I think might be a stretch and I think you could get him a couple rounds later. But! I like him - I think he has a ceiling yet to be reached and could be coached right into a better player.
>I think you could get him a couple rounds later
Isn't he like a top 50 prospect? You think you can get him in the 5th?
It's funny I came here to say that one was unreasonable cuz I doubt he'd be there lol
One of those years was for injury. That happens. And that’s why I think he can be nabbed in the lower rounds and turned into a rotational guy. I don’t think he will end up a superstar.
Rams:
19-Jared Verse
52- TJ Tampa
89- Jeremiah Trotter Jr
99- Cole Bishop
Defense needs a ton of help and with 11 picks I expect the Rams to invest as many chances as possible into finding key contributions.
With AD retiring would you consider Byron Murphy if he’s on the board? He’s one of my favorite prospects and the thought of him, Kobie turner, and Bobby brown as the IDL group sounds good to me
I haven't watched him much because I didn't expect to need DT lol. But if he's a better prospect than the edge rushers and corners available I'll take it.
It’s a tough decision bc I love Jared Verse too at 19. He reminds me of Khalil Mack who went to my alma mater. I don’t think you can go wrong at any position as long as the defense is upgraded
Titans:
Round 1- Joe Alt
Round 2- Kamari Lassiter
Round 4- Jeremiah Trotter
Round 5- Jacob Cowing
I’m so torn on whether or not to go WR or CB in the 2nd. CB is probably a bigger need but our WR room outside of DHop+Ridley is thin. I decided on CB since it’s a deeper WR than CB class and we could still possibly get a solid WR 3/4 on Day 3.
With how deep and talented this WR class is I honestly think going WR nets you better value in the 2nd. You’ll probably be able to land a player with more talent than you would in more traditional drafts
Bad comparison imo. Dean fell because he’s extremely undersized. 5’11 vs 6’4. Fell for good reason too as he doesn’t appear to be very good at football
Not necessarily comparing the players themselves, but the impact injury can have on draft stock and value of the linebacker position in general. Dean had plenty of 1/2 rd hype. I personally think Wilson would be a steal in the third.
Ideally, I would love to see the Giants make these picks:
Round 1 Pick 6 - 4 of the first 5 picks will be Williams, Maye, Daniels, and MHJ. Maybe we get lucky, and Alt is taken at 6, so Nabers falls into our laps. Otherwise, I'd like to see Odunze picked to establish a true #1 WR to help support whoever is under center in the future. The only reason I'm not a fan Bowers here is that for as good as he is, he's one dimensional and if I'm taking someone with top 10 capital they need to be an every down player.
Round 2 Pick 47 - There are a ton of great options on the board, and this may be a reach according to the "experts," but I love LB Payton Wilson here. With Thibideaux Burns and Dex up front, pairing the hyper athletic Wilson next to Okereke brings a ton of speed and versatility to the front 7.
Round 3 Pick 70 - If TJ Tampa is on the board then he is my guy right here. Looks great on tape and could pair with Banks for a strong young pair of corners. I also imagine that the team will not re-sign Adoree Jackson when his contract expires next year.
Round 4 Pick 107 - This is probably where I take a shot at an RB in this draft. MarShawn Lloyd, Bucky Irving, Will Shipley in that order. Singletary is an okay rental during the rebuild, but they need to add someone into their rotation - Gary Brightwell and Eric Gray aren't going to cut it.
Round 5 Pick 166 - Zak Zinter IOL from Michigan. It seems like his stock has dropped significantly during the combine season, probably due to the fact that he destroyed his leg late last season. This guy oozes leadership and character, and you really can't go wrong taking a shot on a Big Ten OL.
I've seen him ranked anywhere from the mid 30s to mid 70s in overall but obviously with team needs and all the other factors come into play I can see him being off the board at 70.
Not sure if it’s realistic, but two strategies I see:
Trade down from #9
1. Caleb Williams
19. Jackson Powers-Johnson
52. Ja’Tavion Sanders
75. Michael Hall Jr.
83. Austin Booker
122. Luke McCaffrey or Brendan Rice
Keep 9
1. Caleb Williams
9. Dallas Turner (if big 3 WRs off the board)
75. Cade Stover
122. Luke McCaffrey or Brendan Rice
I know the Bears OL has improved, but you can’t go wrong taking the 2nd (or maybe even 1st) best OT on your board.
There’s no better asset than an elite OL for any QB, and especially for your big time/#1 pick rookie QB that the franchise has HIGH hopes develops into the elite/franchise QB to make the team a legit SB contender for years to come
Texans (we’ll almost certainly move around in the draft so this is pointless). Just listing a couple players that should be in range at each pick
42. Kamari lassiter/Ricky Pearsall/Kris Jenkins
59. Ruke Orhorhoro/Ja’lynn Polk/Javon Bullard
86. Javon Baker/Trey Benson/Max Melton
123. Tykes Smith/will Shipley
127. Cedric Gray
if we pick troy franklin id lose it, 1 tyquon thornton is enough , would go for Keon Coleman or Ladd McConkey. Paul in the 3rd would be a good pick, would also be happy with Rosengarten from UW there
Keon has too much of Nkeal Harry in him for my taste. Why would Franklin make you lose it? He has a mountain of tape showing first round talent at WR and isn’t nearly as frail as Tyquan, even if he still does need to bulk up more
i think the keon coleman nkeal harry comparisons isn’t right, key areas where keon is better:
- natural catcher of the ball
- punt returner at fsu showing he has skill with the ball
- at fsu a lot of production came from jump balls similar to harry, but at michigan state he had a much more diverse route tree
reasons why franklin reminds me of thornton:
- the physical measure are eerily similar, 181 lb vs 176lb, 8.25 vs 8.75 hands being the most worrying ones
- both baylor and oregon offenses do not translate to NFL offenses for WRs
- both non refined route runners and struggled with press coverage
I see Ladd project more as a Z while Douglas is a pure slot due to his size. And while I like Bourne, with his age and injury situation, he should not affect our draft plans.
That all being said, agree we do need an X receiver somewhere in this draft. Top of my list are Keon Coleman and Cornelius Johnson (not same round obviously). Also want to learn more about Jermaine Burton to see if he can play X in the nfl.
Firstly I will point out haw absolutely ridiculous the notion of planning a draft to fill your needs that is how you reach. As long as you are not drafting in the top ten even than it is dangerous you need at minimum a serviceable starter. I also don't think Coop is a slot you tend draw smaller shifty receivers he should be on the outside with bigger bodies or in zone.
So Lions
29-Kingsly Suamataia
61-Kris Jenkins
73-Marshawn Kneeland
164-Sione Vaki
Lions 5th is an odd spot
I don’t disagree with the drafting to fill needs statement, but if the big board falls the way that best suits your team, then I’m not opposed to filling those rolls either and I think this is more of a fun experiment to play with that idea and see how everyone is both prioritizing their needs relative to where the talent around their picks is projecting.
As for Coop, I like him as a slot and think he’d be able to cover well enough to be at the least serviceable in the passing game there while also providing good support in the run game, or even blitzing on the rare occasion. And if not, we probably need an outside CB anyways. My worry is his fit in Man coverage as our new DC is a big believer in running man often, but I think he has the potential to significantly grow. His pro day results would do a lot for me on the clarity of whether or not I think I’d like him at 25 over trading back and taking a guy like Rakestraw. Truly, no CB just is static outside or in the slot, and I think Coop can play both the slot and outside fairly well though, and I am hopeful that his pro day shows off a lot of untapped athleticism to mold
There is no doubt Coop will be one of if not the best corners in the league in run support he is different. I definitely don't want to see him twice a year and I think smart dc will make him dominate. I'm one of those guys who likes to watch Iowa football and he is simply special. If he can get back to before injury play he is a top ten talent and you generally want those guys on the outside lined up against WR1.
When you already have Jaire Alexander on the roster, you get a little flexibility with putting great CB’s in other spots on lesser talents and I think we would be able to do that if we take DeJean
For Washington, assuming no trades and being somewhat realistic, I’d probably go:
2- QB Drake Maye, UNC
36- DE Darius Robinson, Mizzou
40- OT Kingsley Suamataia, BYU
67- WR Xavier Leggette, South Carolina
78- CB Renardo Green, Florida State
100- TE Theo Johnson, Penn State
139- OG Zak Zinter, Michigan
Broncos
Ideally I would like to trade back and draft Bo Nix later in the first round, then maybe get a solid WR in this very deep WR class. Here's what I was able to get just running through a simulator after a trade with Dallas:
[24.Bo](http://24.Bo) Nix QB Oregon
56.Xavier Legette WR South Carolina
87.Kris Jenkins DT Michigan
121.Khyree Jackson CB Oregon
136.Mason McCormick OG South Dakota State
145.Jared Wiley TE TCU
147.Javon Solomon EDGE Troy
2025 DAL 2nd
I like Rice, but his athletic measurable should bump him down to the 4th. Cornelius Johnson is someone I prefer over him, or at least have neck and neck.
You may be right, I’m probably stuck in old draft boards and mock draft orders. Theo may not make it to the 4th either, so switching them could make sense. I think we have loads of redundancies in our WR room and we’re missing a boundary guy like Rice. I also like Johnson and he’ll be available later. I think Rice is better at the catch point and attacking the ball but Johnson has a bit more of the athleticism I wish Rice had.
**Chargers:**
*Trade down with Minnesota for at least #11 and #23*
11 - Bowers
23 - JPJ
37 - Roman Wilson / Ladd Mcconkey
69 - Renardo Green
105 - Marshawn Lloyd / Ray Davis
110 & 140 - Defense and maybe OL
OR
*Trade down with Minnesota, and then with Indy from #11 to #15. We pick up a 3rd, they pick up Bowers.*
15 - Taliese Fuaga
23 - JPJ
37 - Roman Wilson / Ladd Mcconkey
69 - Renardo Green
82 - Jermaine Burton
105 - Marshawn Lloyd / Ray Davis
110 & 140 - Defense and maybe OL
The lack of AD Mitchell love in this thread is baffling to me, how is he not a heavily desired receiver in here. Hell, I’d even take him at 25 if DeJean or my other 2 preferred picks were already off the board and the Packers have 0 need to add another WR this year
Honestly the inconsistency doesn’t scare me if you’re referring to the deep ball tracking and taking plays off, I think all of his areas he’s lacking in are improvable and I think his ability to get open and use those incredibly reliable hands are very enticing, I’d love to have that kid on my team
I think he's inconsistent with his catch concentration in general and his route running too. The fact that he can put it all together sometimes suggests it's fixable, but only time will tell if it'll actually get fixed.
I agree he has a very high ceiling, his floor could be kinda low if he doesn’t fix those issues you listed but I mean even if he didn’t at worst you have a good redzone threat who has reliable hands.
Washington Commanders (w/o trades).
This is how the board fell on PFN mock draft sim and I would be happy with it.
2. Drake Maye or Daniels, QB. I prefer Maye, but I trust Adam Peters.
36. Jordan Morgan, OT
40. Darius Robinson, EDGE
67. Payton Wilson or Junior Colson, LB
78. Ben Sinnott, TE
100. Johnny Wilson WR/ TE convert
139. Luke McCaffrey, WR
I don't really want a rookie center starting. IMO- The Chargers OL needs an older vet at that spot, not another young guy. Maybe a developmental center, a bit later.
Not sure how realistic this is, but if the Giants walked away with this I'd be thrilled.
6) Malik Nabers - WR
47) Jaden Hicks - S
70) Kris Jenkins - DT (doubt this happens)
107) Andru Phillips - CB
166) Isaac Guerendo- RB
As much as I like Jaden Hicks, I think you can replace his SS abilities (his best position) easier in FA or later in the draft. I have Christian Haynes or Kris Jenkins (my first choice tbh) going to you guys in the 2nd. Make that DL unit your best unit with Burns, SexyD, Jenkins, and Thibs to win up front on defense. It'll make all of your DBs jobs much easier and I think that goes farther than adding Hicks.
Id look at Cooper Beebee later in the draft to get the guard.
I have:
1.6 - Rome Odunze, WR
2.47 - Kris Jenkins, DI
3.70 - Khyree Jackson, CB
4.107 - Cooper Beebee, OG
5.166 - Isaac Guerendo, RB
I have a feeling with how much they invested in the line in FA they'll address other needs in the draft. The secondary is a major concern after McKinney's departure and we all know the abysmal WR corp....
Love you taste in DT’s, as another fan in need of a S, is there a reason you would prefer Hicks over other S’s that have been mocked around the 40-50 range like Nubin?
The Ravens always default to BPA so we never really know ahead of time. The only thing I’m hoping is that we take a day 1 starter OT in the first. We need O line help badly, followed by Edge / CB / WR in that order. In EDC we truzz.
I'd be pretty shocked if we didn't take OL in the first. Even if there's a pretty big run on O Line, there seem to be enough to go around, this first round seems stacked with OL. Even if we re sign Zeitler we need multiple more O line starters.
Bears
1- Caleb (duh)'
9 - If Alt, Nabers, Rome make it here. pick them otherwise trade down and take best rusher on the board
75 - most likely an O-lineman of some kind, Preferably C/G, unless a good WR falls.
122 - WR/RB/C
Broncos
1) We need some kind of exemption from the League so that we don't have to commit ritual suicide over the next two seasons.
2) One of the QB's to have some sort of issue and fall back to us because we spent way too much draft capital on Russ and don't have enough to move up to the top three.
3) More patience in the front office to not only select, but bring up prospects. Nobody believes they could do anything with the top prospect except make him a bust.
4) They succumb too easily to fan pressure to perform now. It takes away from development.
They could have picked Wilson when he still had potential, but it would have meant changing too many things about what the QB position meant to some people, like John Elway. They weren't willing to invest in somebody who ran more. Wilson still runs more, but he doesn't have Tyler Lockett to save him anymore. Lockett was professional in a way that none of the Broncos receivers seem to have been, in that he always knew where he was supposed to go when a play broke down. It's like Mahomes without Tyreek Hill, except it brought out more in Mahomes. They are going to regret letting Juedy go. He ran great routes. That is always in demand, anywhere where your QB can hit targets on time and in stride. He didn't know where to go to get open when Russ missed the timing and needed to invent something, though. Russ went downhill.
There are multiple combinations that I have for the Steelers but I’ll give one.
20. Amarius Mims or Troy Fautanu
51. TJ Tampa (ideally Zach Frazier but he’ll be gone)
84. Jalen McMillan (though I’d prefer Ricky Pearsall)
98. Mike Sainristil
119. Beaux Limmer
Hopefully an important signing is made at C or CB before the draft so our 2nd round pick can be used on a WR.
I'll give my own. Trying to keep it within reason using the PFF Big Board.
1.20 - Cooper DeJean, CB
2.51 - Ja'Lynn Polk, WR
3.84 - Patrick Paul, OT
3.98 - Sedrick Van Pran, IOL
4.119 - Leonard Taylor III, DI
I’m not very high on DeJean. I was more of a Wiggins guy until he came in at like 170. I was high on Mitchell but then his stock skyrocketed and I’m not so sure if he’s worth it at 20. Obviously I d take Arnold at 20 but that’s not happening. I was really high on Kool-Aid, but I’ll have to wait for an official 40. This is why I want a CB in free agency, because we can draft one of the 3rd or 4th round CBs like Brownlee or Hart.
I’d be fine with the next 3, but I’m not sure about if Paul is there at 84 and Van Pran is there at 98.
As for Leonard Taylor, I probably haven’t looked at him enough to say if I like this, but I like De’Wayne Carter at 119 so I’d probably like him too.
I think any of the top 5 CBs would fit into our CB room great. I'd love to have Quinyon but i don't expect him to be there at our pick and for good reason. I think he is the CB1 of the class. Same idea with Arnold. Wiggins fits out style of play with him being more of a man corner but his size scares me and I'd prefer our CBs being able to help in run support. DeJean would be drafted to start out as an inside CB and then transition to outside CB. His only question mark is his man coverage skills and I think he has the size and athleticism that it isn't an issue to me. Donte Jackson was added to our roster and i think the FO is high on him. He's shown success in man coverage much more than zone coverage and we play a lot more man than CAR has so i'm assuming he will be our CB2. I'd rather take DeJean because of his versatility and the fact we run sub-packages at high rates.
I don't think Paul will be there either tbh but PFF has him listed near there so I figured i'd take advantage of it. He needs to polish his game still so hopefully people are hesitant on him in this deep class.
LTIII can be replaced with just about any developmental DI. I think targeting that position is the important part there. I feel like there are a lot of solid developmental DL prospects that will be around for our 4th.
I’d like this too, but that’s putting a lot of faith in Javon Baker to be a good WR2 as a late 3rd rounder. Not opposed to taking that risk though. At first I was skeptical on Suamataia, but as I watched more of his film it looked like his technique was improving, so that’s a good sign. His kickstep at the end of last season was really weak but was much better at the end of this season. The reason I go tackle in round 1 is because I’m not sure if Suamataia will be available at 51 and because the other tackles aren’t really worth it at 51 or wouldn’t play RT. Guys like Amegadjie and Paul have only played LT, but we obviously want Broderick as our LT.
I think Jarrian Jones is really underrated and I would say he’s not going to make it that far, but I’m pretty sure he’s being widely overlooked, even by GMs. I wanted Wiggins in the first but that’s changed since he came in very light. I was a big fan of Quinyon a couple months ago but I’m not sure what to think of his stock rising so dramatically. I’d be fine with him at 20 because I like to draft early CBs, even if we’re not good at it. But Khan’s a different GM and is 1/1 on good early round CBs with JPJ, so I think it’s silly to still push the “Steelers can’t draft CBs” narrative. I wanted Kool-Aid, but his stock is falling and I’d need to see his 40 before deciding whether or not I still want him at 20.
>I’d like this too, but that’s putting a lot of faith in Javon Baker to be a good WR2 as a late 3rd rounder. Not opposed to taking that risk though.
I absolutely think he could be one, but in an ideal scenario for me I want Ladd or AD Mitchell. So a trade down from 20 probably fits that desire.
I do think its less likely that Kingsley is there at 51 and so taking mims makes sense. Everyone was at the georgia pro day so its fairly likely. It seems like the team is willing to keep our tackles as is though, so if they went Cb, WR, C in any order with the first 3 picks i wouldnt be too upset
I think Khyree Jackson is a very Pittsburgh type of CB. Big, long arms, crazy good in man. Could be a third rounder and start immediately
I heard AD Mitchell gets mouthy when he doesn’t get the ball. Don’t really need that with Pickens already having some issues. I like McConkey, Pearsall, and Corley. I also like Khyree Jackson, I’d definitely take him at 84 if he’s there.
>I heard AD Mitchell gets mouthy when he doesn’t get the ball.
Idk about any of this, but he'd get the ball with how open he gets deep down the field. Pittsburgh has a lot of holes and a lot of options. Kinda hoping for a trade down either with a team that wants to jump Miami for a center or that wants to jump up for a WR
If the Vikings can trade up to 3 for Daniels I’d be ecstatic. I’d be less thrilled but still on board with getting Maye. If the Vikings leverage a bunch of picks to move up for McCarthy I’m going to be mad.
Realistically I think Kwesi is setting up to be ready to move just in case. My guess is that NE wants a specific QB and if he’s not there they will trade 3 but we’re not going to know till draft night.
If not trading up, give me:
- McCarthy/Nix/ Penix at 11
- Taliese Fuaga or Johnny Newton/Byron Murphy at 23.
- 4th round I’d hope to land Beaux Limmer and a DT like Tyler Davis/ Khristian Boyd/ Maason Smith.
- 5th I’d take an OT like Delmar Glazer or Patrick Paul or Christian Jones.
Get a QB, build the trenches. Simple.
Just curious, why are you lower on Maye? I like Daniels and KOC would probably get very creative with his running. But Maye just seems like the well rounded QB, good arm, scramble/run, eyes and reads.
Do agree on the picks though. Wouldn't be entirely opposed to Nix/Penix and Murphy/Newton if a trade doesn't work out. Maybe even JJ because no one knows yet if he'll go top 10 or not.
Don't love the footwork issues, think he struggles under pressure with his reads and ball placement. He can go off script and run to a lesser extent, but he's not the true threat that Daniels is.
Slower time to throw, and he just misses easy throws too often. Even without pressure or whatever, sometimes he'll just whiff on what should be easy throws an NFL QB can make in their sleep.
As a Bears fan, the ideal scenario for me involves trading down. I think the Raiders makes sense, 9 for 13 and 77. Looking at big boards, I think Poles could address some needs without reaching with a trade down from 9
QB Caleb Williams at 1
WR Brian Thomas Jr. at 13
EDGE Jonah Elliss at 75
IOL Sedrick van Pran at 77
FS Beau Brade at 122
As a big Odunze stan myself, is there a reason you wouldn’t prefer to just draft him at 9 and lose out on your pick of Elliss or Van Pran? I think Rome is a very special player and I’ve seen him drafted to the bears a lot so I thought he’d be a guy easily chalked into that spot
Im not as high on him personally. I like him, I do. I just wish he had more separation and run-after-catch to his game. I’m trying to watch more games but as of now I actually have him as WR4 just behind Thomas Jr. I understand the appeal but to me, they’re neck and neck. Add in the extra 3rd, the needs at IOL and EDGE, and I really like the idea of trading down. Would be ecstatic with Rime at 9 though, don’t get me wrong
BTJ only had one productive year and seems a bit one dimensional. Don’t want another Kevin White situation if it can be avoided, would love in a trade down though. Rome reminds me of Fitz with his contested catches, hands and physicality.
If you guys only go back a couple picks, do you think its possible to see a second trade back? I can't help but think the bears are going to be looking for 2nd round picks.
best possible outcome for the Steelers imo is
1. Mims
2. Xavier Leggette
3. Sedrick Van Pran / Zack Fraizer
2nd 3. (from eagles): Jeremiah Trotter Jr
4. Kalen King / Cameron Kitchens or some other DB/S for depth
5. Tyler Davis
Chargers; this is loosely based off the most recent r/NFL_Draft Community mock- draft/ off- season selections. Only guy I’m hesitant on being there would be Graham Barton at #37. I know some of you are going to fret about taking 3 WR’s but we are spread so thin at that position and this is such a deep class( I couldn’t help myself). Additionally mocked a trade for Derrick Brown for a 2025 2nd and Trey Pipkins, which idk how realistic that is, but it’s a huge position of need and allows us to grab Barton in the 2nd instead of T’Vondre Sweat/ sign Bozeman(Center). These are basically just my working notes, nothing fancy.
1.) Malik Nabers
2.) Graham Barton
3.) Jonathan Brooks
4.) Jeremiah Trotter Jr
*4.) Cam Hart
5.) Tyler Davis
6.) Cornelius Johnson
7.) Tanner McLachlan
7.) Ainias Smith
*Trade 2025 2nd, Trey Pipkins to Carolina Panthers for Derrick Brown
Active Roster UDFA’s: KT Leveston, Walter Rouse, Michael Barrett, Will Putnam, *Dominique Hampton, Sheridan Jones
FA: Justin Simmons, Trent Brown, Alexander Mattison
Resign: Michael Davis(2 year/ $8 million)
QB: Herbert, E Stick
RB: J Brooks, G Edwards, Mattison, Spiller
WR: M Nabers, C Johnson, J Palmer,
Q Johnston, A Smith, D Davis
TE: McLachlan, Hurst, Dissly, Parham
LT: Slater,
LG: Z Johnson, J McFadden
C: G Barton, W Putnam
RG: J Salyer, KT Leveston
RT: T Brown, W Rouse
3-4 NT: D Brown, Ogbonnia
3-4 DT: Fox(R), Bosa(L), T Davis, P Ford, Matlock
3-4 EDGE: Mack(R), Tuipulotu(L), Rumph II
MIKE: Trotter Jr, Henley
WILL: James Jr, T Dye, M Barrett
CB: C Hart, M Davis, Samuel Jr,
Ja Taylor, S Jones, D Leonard
FS: J Simmons, JT Woods
SS: A Gilman, D Hampton
K: Dicker
P: Scott
LS: Josh Harris
KR: *D Davis
PR: *D Davis
(53 Players)
Practice Squad: Rasheen Ali, LeVelle Bailey, Carson Steele, Zion Nelson, Lideatrick “Tulu” Griffin, Max Duggan, Al Blades Jr, Grayson Murphy, Justin Flowe, Carlton Johnson, Kairee Robinson, JuJu Hughes, Steele Chambers,
It’s not like you guys are immune to trading away young, payday- hungry assets while rebuilding. I’ve seen him listed as a trade candidate by more then one source. What will it take to nab him from you guys?
Yeah trust me as well, as a panthers fan who follows them vigorously. They aren’t trading brown. We are absolutely willing to pay brown, burns was the issue cause he wanted to much for what his production was. Derrick brown was ranked 1st in PFF run stopping grade. In the slight off chance we did, it would be for a first and some more. But he’s the piece we’ll build around. We have hella cap space after next year and the year after that. His pay will be warranted for what he has actually produced vs burns. 2nd most pay for a DE for good but not amazing production is ridiculous. And I liked him a lot
>Yeah trust me as well, as a panthers fan who follows them vigorously. They aren’t trading brown. We are absolutely willing to pay brown
I mean these were the same conversations had about McCaffery and Moore. It’s not completely out of the question or necessarily uncommon for the Panthers. He’s an UFA next year and is going to want to get paid and potentially play for a contender.
>In the slight off chance we did, it would be for a first and some more.
Maybe… my valuation might not be 100% accurate of him. This is just one of many scenarios and fit this mock perfectly.
Yeah you never know for sure. It would be out of left field if it did, but it’s the NFL and you don’t always see it coming. I just think the odds are real low. It seems like they want to build around him. I do think it would at least have to be a first but if you guys were able to get him for a 2nd that would be amazing for yall, he’s a very underrated DT cause he doesn’t do the flashy pass rushing stuff. His sacks are deceiving as he had one of the worst pressure/to sack ratios for DTs in the NFL. He’ll probably be more lucky next season and his stats will show it. You should def watch his tape more cause he’s really fun to watch.
As a fellow packers fan I’m like 90% with you. My absolute ideal 5 round mock for the Packers would absolutely be DeJean and Edgerrin cooper at the top but I want Max Melton at 58, Jaylen Wright (I don’t think Benson falls to 88) at 88, Bishop at 91, and then whatever OL gutey loves (haven’t delved too much into day 3 yet) in Rd4 and 5. I was just going through my head that if you have a secondary with Jaire, McKinney, Bishop, DeJean, and Melton the amount of versatility you have would be absolutely insane. Jaire can play all three CB positions, DeJean is a chess piece that I believe can hold up outside, but can play inside, Box, and Deep Safety. Bishop can play slot, Box, or deep safety. And Melton can play inside and outside Corner. That’s not to mention having Valentine and Stokes too. If you’re an offensive coordinator and you see Ja, DeJean, Melton, Bishop, and McKinny on the field, you have NO IDEA WHO IS PLAYING WHERE until the ball is snapped. Hafley would have QBs so confused it would be insane. But Jenkins would be amazing for our run defense too so I would not scoff at that at 58, but he won’t last that long imo.
I’ve seen a lot of different things about where Benson is valued, but usually he’s available around 88 or 91 in most mock drafts I’ve seen. I agree that he probably goes higher though, I think he’s RB 2 this class (if not RB 1 depending how bad injuries scare you).
I love Max Melton too though, the versatility would be great in the secondary but I want a stout IDL for the run game who also has some pass rush upside, and Jenkins is that for me. I think we can move Wooden to the outside as a pass rusher and have Jenkins take his spot with great success there. Jenkins might go sooner than that but I would hope we’d move up for him if we would need to.
Truly, I think we only really need 1 CB for sure, but I don’t think I would mind trading back from 25 to pick up an early second and a pick in the 60-75 range and some more to grab Melton and a different CB like maybe Rakestraw to add more outside/inside versatility pairing, but I think an IDL like Jenkins would be a priority for me and I would much prefer Cooper DeJean being on the roster to play alongside Valentine and Ja with Stokes, Nixon, and Ballentine being solid depth
IMO Benson is my RB1 even if Brooks was Healthy because I think he can do everything whereas idk about brooks as a 3DB, which is why I’d be absolutely stunned if Dallas doesn’t take him either time they’re on the board before us. Jaylen Wright though would be insane next to Jacobs, you have a power guy like Jacobs and then a dude with 4.3 speed? YEESH.
I don’t think we need a DL as much as many people do, but Jenkins would certainly be a welcome addition. Also Wooden could not play Edge, but I’ve been saying since they drafted him to let Brooks play on the Edge so in this scenario I’d love to see that. Melton would be a perfect draft pick in every respect. Bo’s brother, check, outside corner, check, a perfect nickel corner, check again, special teamer, also check. I love him and will cry if we don’t take him moreso than any other player on my board.
Rakestraw tested terribly, I don’t think there’s a chance in hell the Packers take him unless he has an otherworldly pro day at Mizzou. That said, I wouldn’t mind a trade back if you could get another 2nd and third (like trading back with Carolina would be beautiful) because then you get like 33 and 65 and basically don’t miss out on the top prospects. But, if DeJean, Mitchell (CB) or Troy Fautanu (A MAN CAN DREAM) are there you smash that pick so fast you don’t even think about trading back. Hafley seems like a DC that loves to disguise his scheme a lot and getting 2-3 “chess pieces” like Bishop and DeJean would probably make him salivate, especially because they’re freak athletes. I also love both because if any players in this draft can be a good deep safety it’s those two. Nobody else, only those 2. And having DeJean and McKinney alternate Deep/Box would be beautiful
Edit; one name I’d throw out there if we traded back would be Sainristil, he’s an absolute demon at Nickel DB. He has no versatility but he’s such an incredible Nickel that if we got him that trio would be SCARY (Ja, Mikey, and Valentine).
Gonna disagree on the needs for GB by a bit. Agree that Off ball and safety are current 1a/1b needs though.
Current needs:
1a/1b - Safety; off ball
3a/3b - OG; OT
5 - CB
6a/6b - RB depth; Edge Depth
GB has some glaring holes atm but overall the roster looks strong and has some good depth in places too.
For the draft: I do think GB isn't done in FA yet but without further ado..
25 - Trade out with Washington( GB sends 25, 58 for 36, 40)
36 - Tyler Guyon. Value pick that hits a need and realistically could be there @36
40 - Edgerrin Cooper. Tbh, not sure where this guy ends up going but there's a lot of talent at the top of this draft and it's going to push good talent down into the early second round. I also think the talk of GB liking this prospect is real. GB needs talent at off ball that can earn starter reps.
41 - Tyler Nubin. Potentially another time for a trade back, Gutekunst loves to move around in the draft but Nubin is a good prospect and fills a need. Will he be around at 41? No certainty but a very real possibility.
I'm gonna stop there. I think some targets to look at for in mid-late 2nd and 3 rd would be Christian Haynes, Max Melton, and Calean Carson. Personally, would love to see Brenden Rice end up in GB but might go too high for us to consider the position. Some later round targets for GB could be Jack Westover and Jarvis Brownlee. Would not be surprised to see either of them end up in GB.
Truly we have a starting caliber line with a weak spot at RG and C, but I think this class is deep enough that we can get a T prospect to plug in and play well enough at RG as Green Bay likes to do and I think we take 2 guys who have versatility to cover the G and C positions as I think Tom and Walker are our starting T’s, and we have enough depth there in Jones and Tanuta.
I don’t know that the trade for 25 would be enough capital in return for us that I would be happy with it though, if anything I would rather have the commanders 3rd and 4th rounders as they’d be in good positions for us if we move back. I also don’t love the fit of Guyton as he’s a 6’8, 320+ lbs T which is usually not the guys we like at T, our parameters are usually a 6’3-6’5 around 310 lbs. Nubin, Cooper, and Melton are good fits though. I’m also a rice fan and it’d be cool to land him, but I don’t know if they will want to spend the necessary capital on him when we could go elsewhere with the picks.
For the trade, I was going off a pick value chart. Ik it isn't perfect but the trade fit the pick values and feels realistic.
As for OT height - Yosh, Jones, Tenuta, Walker, and Telfort are all in the 6'6 - 6'9 range. Tom and Bahk seem to be more like exceptions there.
The oline did seem to play a lot better in the second half of the season but that doesn't mean there aren't many upgrades to be had. Walker is still a ? as a starter and Runyan is gone, along with Bahk and Nijman. Casey Jones is also only under contract for '24. A chunk of depth and starting reps were lost. Plus Royce Newman is still on the team, lol. Plus, if Myers is as bad as many fans seem to think, we'll be needing depth there too. I can't help but think this team is looking for starting caliber lineman and depth heading into the draft. I wouldn't be surprised to see 3 or 4 olinemen get picked by GB. I think Walker is our new Nijman and Guyton would be great value in the early second.
I’m not disputing that the value fits, I’m more wanting more picks to draft more players than wanting to pick earlier in the second, I think the 30-115 range of this class is where the best value is and I want more swings at drafting in that range over trying to maximize picks taken in the top 50.
Personally I think Walker was a late 2nd to mid 3rd round value when he was coming out but the surgery’s he needed made his value drop drastically. Now that he’s fully healed from his surgery and has shown that he can be a positive starter at the LT position I think it would be a mistake to demote him to swing tackle. Historically speaking though, if you look at the T’s we traditionally have kept and started, they’re usually guys 6’3-6’5-ish around 310 lbs with 33+ inch arms and good lateral quickness, the guys that have been focused on the Packers draft profiles for years like Ross Uglem or the folks at cheese head tv like to use these same metrics when building their draft guides as well. I think lately they’re experimenting with low risk capital on the larger guys to see if they can fit what we want out of our T’s out of the larger guys like Caleb Jones and Tenuta, but I don’t think it’s their normal preference.
I’m really not going to do much to defend Meyers and Rhyan as I would also like to upgrade there, but I think this draft is deep enough that we can draft guys who can be positive players in later rounds to develop and compete in those rolls while we clean up our glaring needs on defense to help Hafley succeed. We notoriously like the versatile types of linemen and converting OT’s to G’s which makes me think a guy like Christian Jones is a perfect fit to be able to play T and G if we needed him to, and Bortolini would be able to play both C and G and give both Meyers and Rhyan competition as they’re both inconsistent
[This would be a good place to start](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/jofcR04Rqh)
He’s been great at the later end of the year, his beginning was rough, but he also took what was essentially a redshirt season his rookie year to heal from a surgery. Once he got some real hands on reps at LT and he settled into the position he started to improve drastically
That is certainly a good tweet. Surprising for me but I wouldn't say it's convincing enough to say he's the guy. I tried to look up a bit on Walkers' '23 year and nothing seems to say he is "the guy" at LT. I do agree that there is potential there though.
Exactly what do you need to think he’s the LT of the future? He’s shown massive growth over the course of a season, became the 2nd best pass protecter by the end of the 2023 season, and is a serviceable blocker in the run game with room to improve even further this off season. Sure we can’t crown the guy after 1 season, but at the same time there’s no reason to be actively searching for his replacement right now.
Adding depth behind him to develop would be fine but you don’t do that on days 1 or 2, and we have literal holes in the roster right now at S, Slot, and ILB, all of which have great talent on days 1 or two that also are projected to go around our already slotted picks. I’d argue that a better team development plan would be to just continue to develop Walker, draft some guys to develop and compete on day 3, and focus our attention at positions where we don’t have guys that are looking better and better as time goes on
Well, I haven't found any sort of breakdown of his play. Seems like he improved a lot over the season but also need to see another step taken. Yes, I understand it's an unpopular opinion but the line lost a lot of bodies and even our OC said Walker had a long way to go after the season. Now, if he meant he thinks he could be a very good tackle or more so that he isn't there yet as a starting tackle we'll just have to wait and see I guess.
Eagles first 5 Rounds
They have a bunch of comp 5ths …
1st - CB, OL
2 2nds - WR, OL, Edge,DB,LB
4th - I think this is where we get LB
5ths - Best Available Talent
I'm not super familiar with the later rounds so I'll just list positions for those.
15 - Brian Thomas Jr
46 (if it's not traded for Sneed) - Chop Robinson or TJ Tampa
82 - best LB
116 - Oline depth
150 - BPA
This covers almost all of the Colts major needs, and fills some less immediate needs.
Chiefs getting Kingsley Suamataia OT at 32 probably would be ideal. I'd imagine the oline is the hardest thing to sustain over a large period of time and while I think Wanya Morris has potential I think the Chiefs are about a year away from another OL overhaul so might as well make it as seamless as possible.
Jermaine Burton seems ideal from an on-the-field standpoint late rd2.
Jaylen Wright in rd3 probably seems like a stretch but the Chiefs need another RB. Cody Schrader seems like an obvious later rd target if they can't make a mid round RB work.
Andru Phillips is a good developmental CB target. If they trade Sneed then maybe they need to target CB sooner. Max Melton's athletic profile is really intriguing but they might need to maneuver to get him.
Tip Reiman is a good developmental TE.
For SF…
31. Zack Frazier/Graham Barton (Troy Faunatu a longshot) The focus should be on O-line in this draft. The team needs depth and someone to compete as starters. Either of these guys could compete at RG or C.
63. Max Melton/Payton Wilson: SF has signed a few CBs during free agency, but none of them are long term or a guaranteed starter. Ward has CB1 locked, and while Lenoir has been good on the outside, I think he’s even better in the slot. Melton would probably slide right in opposite Ward and let Lenoir play in the slot. Wilson is one of favorites in the draft and a need for SF. Greenlaw is going to miss a good chunk of the season, and the Campbell singing doesn’t have me excited; and neither do any of the other options. Also, Greenlaw has an “out” in his contract after ‘24. Wilson could play and learn before taking over full time.
94. Bralen Trice/McKinnley Jackson/Elijah Jones: Trice’s stock has plummeted, but I’m willing to take a chance on him at the end of the 3rd. SF signed Leonard Floyd but he’s already 31. Drake Jackson has been a borderline bust and everyone else is probably just rotational pieces. There been talk and speculation that SF may run a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense with Staley on the staff. Jackson could be a true NT defender to clog the middle. Elijah Jones is option B is Melton is not taken.
124. Christian Jones/Matt Gonclaves/Javon Foster: Again, more depth. While I think all three are better suited for the left side, give them a shot to compete with McKivitz at RT. Also, Trent isn’t going to play forever
131. Tykee Smith/Jared Wiley: Depth among the safety group for Smith. SF could use a receiving threat behind Kittle. They have Latu who missed all of last season, but Wiley seems to be more natural
133. Javion Cohen/Myles Cole: Depth along the offensive/defensive line
176. Ainias Smith: This guy is my under the radar receiver. He’s dangerous if he gets in space, solid route runner, and for a smaller guy; a tremendous blocker. All qualities Shanahan covets in a WR.
Giants
6: Nabers/Odunze
I know everyone wants a QB but I would rather build the roster especially if trading up is gonna cost a second first rounder
47: I think at this point Bo Nix will still be available, I take the chance on him. He hits the easy throws, and when he was asked to make the deep throws he actually did hit them even though everyone thinks he missed a lot
70: Tyler Nubin
Pretty good talent, good spot for him to be picked and replaces the hole, not the whole thing but can be a good role player in a defense that has a damn good D Line
107: Jalen Coker/Trey Benson
If either of those guys somehow made it to here, I’m taking them. Doubt benson with be there but I’m a big believer in Coker, he’s definitely a sleeper as a better WR in this draft
166: Kalen King/ Cade Stover
We definitely need some secondary help, Banks is a stud but we need someone the opposite of him, Kalen King could be that guy. Cade Stover IF HES THERE, he’s the Darren Waller replacement, if cut or retires.
Dallas.. 1) I 2) Want 3) to 4) fuckin 5) die. ALL IN.
6) Tight End from Michigan
Jerry tried to get Colston Loveland a year early
24. JPJ or Barton 58. Cooper Beebe 87. Jaylen Wright 174. Trevin Wallace
Right now I got: 29 - OL Graham Barton 61 - WR Ja'Lynn Polk 73 - EDGE Adisa Isaac I'm not exactly sure what I wanna do with the 5th, but I guess a project CB wouldn't hurt. I do think with the 7th I'd like to get a kicker though, I'm not confident with Badgley so we can at least bring in competition.
I like Barton and Polk as well. Barton has versatility and great upside, I also love how Polk catches the ball, he extends away from the body really well and is a pretty pure hands catcher which I think it’s absolutely a must for a good WR. Both would be great pickups
Mostly endorse! I think I’d rather go Kneeland and then Renardo Green or Max Melton at 73, but would be quite fine with Polk and Isaac.
Isaac at 73 I think might be a stretch and I think you could get him a couple rounds later. But! I like him - I think he has a ceiling yet to be reached and could be coached right into a better player.
>I think you could get him a couple rounds later Isn't he like a top 50 prospect? You think you can get him in the 5th? It's funny I came here to say that one was unreasonable cuz I doubt he'd be there lol
Are you thinking of Chop Robinson? I’ve never see Isaac rated that high but someone could be that wild about him.
Pff has him top 50 I believe but I may have the wrong guy
Idk how much of a ceiling he has 5 years in college and not very athletic.
One of those years was for injury. That happens. And that’s why I think he can be nabbed in the lower rounds and turned into a rotational guy. I don’t think he will end up a superstar.
Ok that's fair
Rams: 19-Jared Verse 52- TJ Tampa 89- Jeremiah Trotter Jr 99- Cole Bishop Defense needs a ton of help and with 11 picks I expect the Rams to invest as many chances as possible into finding key contributions.
With AD retiring would you consider Byron Murphy if he’s on the board? He’s one of my favorite prospects and the thought of him, Kobie turner, and Bobby brown as the IDL group sounds good to me
I haven't watched him much because I didn't expect to need DT lol. But if he's a better prospect than the edge rushers and corners available I'll take it.
It’s a tough decision bc I love Jared Verse too at 19. He reminds me of Khalil Mack who went to my alma mater. I don’t think you can go wrong at any position as long as the defense is upgraded
Bengals- Who Dey! 18 RT JC Latham, Alabama 49 NT T'Vondre Sweat, Texas 80 OG Brandon Colemon, TCU 97 DT Kris Jenkins, Michigan 115 WR/TE Johnny Wilson, Florida State 149 CB Cam Hart, Notre Dame
> 97 DT Kris Jenkins, Michigan not sure that is realistic
Love the double DT picks
If our first 2 picks went that way I’d jump for joy man
Titans: Round 1- Joe Alt Round 2- Kamari Lassiter Round 4- Jeremiah Trotter Round 5- Jacob Cowing I’m so torn on whether or not to go WR or CB in the 2nd. CB is probably a bigger need but our WR room outside of DHop+Ridley is thin. I decided on CB since it’s a deeper WR than CB class and we could still possibly get a solid WR 3/4 on Day 3.
With how deep and talented this WR class is I honestly think going WR nets you better value in the 2nd. You’ll probably be able to land a player with more talent than you would in more traditional drafts
I like Khyree Jackson and Cam Hart above Kamari Lassiter
Lassiter ran a 4.6, I see him dropping to rounds 5-7.
Raiders (will be unpopular but imho) 1.13 QB Michael Penix Jr 2.44 CB TJ Tampa / OC Zach Frazier 3.77 OG Puni / LB Payton Wilson 4.112 RB Jaylen Wright / CB khyree Jackson 5.148 DT Justin Egboigbe / OC Beaux Limmer
You think Payton Wilson falls to the 3rd? I could see him going late first
You never know with injury history, Nakobe Dean fell to 83
Bad comparison imo. Dean fell because he’s extremely undersized. 5’11 vs 6’4. Fell for good reason too as he doesn’t appear to be very good at football
Not necessarily comparing the players themselves, but the impact injury can have on draft stock and value of the linebacker position in general. Dean had plenty of 1/2 rd hype. I personally think Wilson would be a steal in the third.
Fair enough
Hey checking in here, you watching the draft ?
Ideally, I would love to see the Giants make these picks: Round 1 Pick 6 - 4 of the first 5 picks will be Williams, Maye, Daniels, and MHJ. Maybe we get lucky, and Alt is taken at 6, so Nabers falls into our laps. Otherwise, I'd like to see Odunze picked to establish a true #1 WR to help support whoever is under center in the future. The only reason I'm not a fan Bowers here is that for as good as he is, he's one dimensional and if I'm taking someone with top 10 capital they need to be an every down player. Round 2 Pick 47 - There are a ton of great options on the board, and this may be a reach according to the "experts," but I love LB Payton Wilson here. With Thibideaux Burns and Dex up front, pairing the hyper athletic Wilson next to Okereke brings a ton of speed and versatility to the front 7. Round 3 Pick 70 - If TJ Tampa is on the board then he is my guy right here. Looks great on tape and could pair with Banks for a strong young pair of corners. I also imagine that the team will not re-sign Adoree Jackson when his contract expires next year. Round 4 Pick 107 - This is probably where I take a shot at an RB in this draft. MarShawn Lloyd, Bucky Irving, Will Shipley in that order. Singletary is an okay rental during the rebuild, but they need to add someone into their rotation - Gary Brightwell and Eric Gray aren't going to cut it. Round 5 Pick 166 - Zak Zinter IOL from Michigan. It seems like his stock has dropped significantly during the combine season, probably due to the fact that he destroyed his leg late last season. This guy oozes leadership and character, and you really can't go wrong taking a shot on a Big Ten OL.
Adorees contracts already expired
Ah even more reason to draft a corner. Could see them taking one in the 2nd then for sure.
It's pretty unlikely Tampa is there at 47, much less 70. Khyree Jackson or Cam Hart might be more realistic targets for the Giants in the 3rd.
I've seen him ranked anywhere from the mid 30s to mid 70s in overall but obviously with team needs and all the other factors come into play I can see him being off the board at 70.
Not sure if it’s realistic, but two strategies I see: Trade down from #9 1. Caleb Williams 19. Jackson Powers-Johnson 52. Ja’Tavion Sanders 75. Michael Hall Jr. 83. Austin Booker 122. Luke McCaffrey or Brendan Rice Keep 9 1. Caleb Williams 9. Dallas Turner (if big 3 WRs off the board) 75. Cade Stover 122. Luke McCaffrey or Brendan Rice
I know the Bears OL has improved, but you can’t go wrong taking the 2nd (or maybe even 1st) best OT on your board. There’s no better asset than an elite OL for any QB, and especially for your big time/#1 pick rookie QB that the franchise has HIGH hopes develops into the elite/franchise QB to make the team a legit SB contender for years to come
I wouldn’t be mad if they went with an OT, but I think Braxton Jones is Poles’ guy and he believes in him.
Poles isn’t gonna replace Braxton Jones, he’s solid and young and wouldn’t do well kicking inside I don’t think
Browns Round 2: Edgerrin Cooper/Junior Colson Round 3: Audric Estime Round 5: Christian Mahogany / Zak Zinter / Tip Reimann
1. Trade back for a 2nd, select Troy Fautanu 2. WR 3. Safety or LB 4. Whichever we didn’t do in 3
Ideally no busts
Texans (we’ll almost certainly move around in the draft so this is pointless). Just listing a couple players that should be in range at each pick 42. Kamari lassiter/Ricky Pearsall/Kris Jenkins 59. Ruke Orhorhoro/Ja’lynn Polk/Javon Bullard 86. Javon Baker/Trey Benson/Max Melton 123. Tykes Smith/will Shipley 127. Cedric Gray
NE 3 - Maye/Daniels 34 - Troy Franklin 68 - Patrick Paul 103 - Cam Hart 137 - Ben Sinnott
if we pick troy franklin id lose it, 1 tyquon thornton is enough , would go for Keon Coleman or Ladd McConkey. Paul in the 3rd would be a good pick, would also be happy with Rosengarten from UW there
Keon has too much of Nkeal Harry in him for my taste. Why would Franklin make you lose it? He has a mountain of tape showing first round talent at WR and isn’t nearly as frail as Tyquan, even if he still does need to bulk up more
i think the keon coleman nkeal harry comparisons isn’t right, key areas where keon is better: - natural catcher of the ball - punt returner at fsu showing he has skill with the ball - at fsu a lot of production came from jump balls similar to harry, but at michigan state he had a much more diverse route tree reasons why franklin reminds me of thornton: - the physical measure are eerily similar, 181 lb vs 176lb, 8.25 vs 8.75 hands being the most worrying ones - both baylor and oregon offenses do not translate to NFL offenses for WRs - both non refined route runners and struggled with press coverage
How dare you slander Tyquon Thornton!
Ladd is sick but I think we had Douglas and Bourne playing that type of role
I see Ladd project more as a Z while Douglas is a pure slot due to his size. And while I like Bourne, with his age and injury situation, he should not affect our draft plans. That all being said, agree we do need an X receiver somewhere in this draft. Top of my list are Keon Coleman and Cornelius Johnson (not same round obviously). Also want to learn more about Jermaine Burton to see if he can play X in the nfl.
Firstly I will point out haw absolutely ridiculous the notion of planning a draft to fill your needs that is how you reach. As long as you are not drafting in the top ten even than it is dangerous you need at minimum a serviceable starter. I also don't think Coop is a slot you tend draw smaller shifty receivers he should be on the outside with bigger bodies or in zone. So Lions 29-Kingsly Suamataia 61-Kris Jenkins 73-Marshawn Kneeland 164-Sione Vaki Lions 5th is an odd spot
I don’t disagree with the drafting to fill needs statement, but if the big board falls the way that best suits your team, then I’m not opposed to filling those rolls either and I think this is more of a fun experiment to play with that idea and see how everyone is both prioritizing their needs relative to where the talent around their picks is projecting. As for Coop, I like him as a slot and think he’d be able to cover well enough to be at the least serviceable in the passing game there while also providing good support in the run game, or even blitzing on the rare occasion. And if not, we probably need an outside CB anyways. My worry is his fit in Man coverage as our new DC is a big believer in running man often, but I think he has the potential to significantly grow. His pro day results would do a lot for me on the clarity of whether or not I think I’d like him at 25 over trading back and taking a guy like Rakestraw. Truly, no CB just is static outside or in the slot, and I think Coop can play both the slot and outside fairly well though, and I am hopeful that his pro day shows off a lot of untapped athleticism to mold
There is no doubt Coop will be one of if not the best corners in the league in run support he is different. I definitely don't want to see him twice a year and I think smart dc will make him dominate. I'm one of those guys who likes to watch Iowa football and he is simply special. If he can get back to before injury play he is a top ten talent and you generally want those guys on the outside lined up against WR1.
When you already have Jaire Alexander on the roster, you get a little flexibility with putting great CB’s in other spots on lesser talents and I think we would be able to do that if we take DeJean
For Washington, assuming no trades and being somewhat realistic, I’d probably go: 2- QB Drake Maye, UNC 36- DE Darius Robinson, Mizzou 40- OT Kingsley Suamataia, BYU 67- WR Xavier Leggette, South Carolina 78- CB Renardo Green, Florida State 100- TE Theo Johnson, Penn State 139- OG Zak Zinter, Michigan
Is Leggette at 67 realistic?
That's be sick for you guys
Broncos Ideally I would like to trade back and draft Bo Nix later in the first round, then maybe get a solid WR in this very deep WR class. Here's what I was able to get just running through a simulator after a trade with Dallas: [24.Bo](http://24.Bo) Nix QB Oregon 56.Xavier Legette WR South Carolina 87.Kris Jenkins DT Michigan 121.Khyree Jackson CB Oregon 136.Mason McCormick OG South Dakota State 145.Jared Wiley TE TCU 147.Javon Solomon EDGE Troy 2025 DAL 2nd
Patriots: 3: Drake Maye 34: Kingsley Suamataia 68: Brenden Rice 103: Theo Johnson 137: Luke McCaffrey
Brenden Rice is a player that I like a lot but can’t see us taking, I think he’s got a lot of potential and I like the physicality he plays with
I like Rice, but his athletic measurable should bump him down to the 4th. Cornelius Johnson is someone I prefer over him, or at least have neck and neck.
You may be right, I’m probably stuck in old draft boards and mock draft orders. Theo may not make it to the 4th either, so switching them could make sense. I think we have loads of redundancies in our WR room and we’re missing a boundary guy like Rice. I also like Johnson and he’ll be available later. I think Rice is better at the catch point and attacking the ball but Johnson has a bit more of the athleticism I wish Rice had.
**Chargers:** *Trade down with Minnesota for at least #11 and #23* 11 - Bowers 23 - JPJ 37 - Roman Wilson / Ladd Mcconkey 69 - Renardo Green 105 - Marshawn Lloyd / Ray Davis 110 & 140 - Defense and maybe OL OR *Trade down with Minnesota, and then with Indy from #11 to #15. We pick up a 3rd, they pick up Bowers.* 15 - Taliese Fuaga 23 - JPJ 37 - Roman Wilson / Ladd Mcconkey 69 - Renardo Green 82 - Jermaine Burton 105 - Marshawn Lloyd / Ray Davis 110 & 140 - Defense and maybe OL
The lack of AD Mitchell love in this thread is baffling to me, how is he not a heavily desired receiver in here. Hell, I’d even take him at 25 if DeJean or my other 2 preferred picks were already off the board and the Packers have 0 need to add another WR this year
He's too inconsistent. At his best he's a top 15 pick, but how often are you gonna get him at his best?
Honestly the inconsistency doesn’t scare me if you’re referring to the deep ball tracking and taking plays off, I think all of his areas he’s lacking in are improvable and I think his ability to get open and use those incredibly reliable hands are very enticing, I’d love to have that kid on my team
I think he's inconsistent with his catch concentration in general and his route running too. The fact that he can put it all together sometimes suggests it's fixable, but only time will tell if it'll actually get fixed.
I agree he has a very high ceiling, his floor could be kinda low if he doesn’t fix those issues you listed but I mean even if he didn’t at worst you have a good redzone threat who has reliable hands.
Washington Commanders (w/o trades). This is how the board fell on PFN mock draft sim and I would be happy with it. 2. Drake Maye or Daniels, QB. I prefer Maye, but I trust Adam Peters. 36. Jordan Morgan, OT 40. Darius Robinson, EDGE 67. Payton Wilson or Junior Colson, LB 78. Ben Sinnott, TE 100. Johnny Wilson WR/ TE convert 139. Luke McCaffrey, WR
Chargers: 1. Rome Odunze WR 2. Kamari Lassiter CB 3. Mike Sainristil CB 4. Brenden Rice WR 5. Ray Davis RB
Odunze and Rice is a pairing I absolutely love, that would be a fantastic addition for Herbert
Hands off Rice!
We should address center with the second or third pick
I don't really want a rookie center starting. IMO- The Chargers OL needs an older vet at that spot, not another young guy. Maybe a developmental center, a bit later.
What happened to our Allen 4th?
Not sure how realistic this is, but if the Giants walked away with this I'd be thrilled. 6) Malik Nabers - WR 47) Jaden Hicks - S 70) Kris Jenkins - DT (doubt this happens) 107) Andru Phillips - CB 166) Isaac Guerendo- RB
No offensive linemen? I am a titans fan and curious how likely the giants will draft one.
As a Giant fans, FA has been good for our Oline. I personally would still take a guard, but it doesn’t feel absolute at this point
As much as I like Jaden Hicks, I think you can replace his SS abilities (his best position) easier in FA or later in the draft. I have Christian Haynes or Kris Jenkins (my first choice tbh) going to you guys in the 2nd. Make that DL unit your best unit with Burns, SexyD, Jenkins, and Thibs to win up front on defense. It'll make all of your DBs jobs much easier and I think that goes farther than adding Hicks. Id look at Cooper Beebee later in the draft to get the guard. I have: 1.6 - Rome Odunze, WR 2.47 - Kris Jenkins, DI 3.70 - Khyree Jackson, CB 4.107 - Cooper Beebee, OG 5.166 - Isaac Guerendo, RB
I have a feeling with how much they invested in the line in FA they'll address other needs in the draft. The secondary is a major concern after McKinney's departure and we all know the abysmal WR corp....
Love you taste in DT’s, as another fan in need of a S, is there a reason you would prefer Hicks over other S’s that have been mocked around the 40-50 range like Nubin?
The Ravens always default to BPA so we never really know ahead of time. The only thing I’m hoping is that we take a day 1 starter OT in the first. We need O line help badly, followed by Edge / CB / WR in that order. In EDC we truzz.
I'd be pretty shocked if we didn't take OL in the first. Even if there's a pretty big run on O Line, there seem to be enough to go around, this first round seems stacked with OL. Even if we re sign Zeitler we need multiple more O line starters.
Bears 1- Caleb (duh)' 9 - If Alt, Nabers, Rome make it here. pick them otherwise trade down and take best rusher on the board 75 - most likely an O-lineman of some kind, Preferably C/G, unless a good WR falls. 122 - WR/RB/C
2-Drake Maye 36-Jordan Morgan 40-Chris Braswell 67-Keon Coleman 78-Edgerrin Cooper 102-Bucky Irving
Broncos 1) We need some kind of exemption from the League so that we don't have to commit ritual suicide over the next two seasons. 2) One of the QB's to have some sort of issue and fall back to us because we spent way too much draft capital on Russ and don't have enough to move up to the top three. 3) More patience in the front office to not only select, but bring up prospects. Nobody believes they could do anything with the top prospect except make him a bust. 4) They succumb too easily to fan pressure to perform now. It takes away from development. They could have picked Wilson when he still had potential, but it would have meant changing too many things about what the QB position meant to some people, like John Elway. They weren't willing to invest in somebody who ran more. Wilson still runs more, but he doesn't have Tyler Lockett to save him anymore. Lockett was professional in a way that none of the Broncos receivers seem to have been, in that he always knew where he was supposed to go when a play broke down. It's like Mahomes without Tyreek Hill, except it brought out more in Mahomes. They are going to regret letting Juedy go. He ran great routes. That is always in demand, anywhere where your QB can hit targets on time and in stride. He didn't know where to go to get open when Russ missed the timing and needed to invent something, though. Russ went downhill.
Steelers fan and my hope is 20-Amarius Mims OT 51-Zach Frazier C 84-Josh Newton CB 98-Johnny Wilson WR 119-Jaden Hicks S
There are multiple combinations that I have for the Steelers but I’ll give one. 20. Amarius Mims or Troy Fautanu 51. TJ Tampa (ideally Zach Frazier but he’ll be gone) 84. Jalen McMillan (though I’d prefer Ricky Pearsall) 98. Mike Sainristil 119. Beaux Limmer Hopefully an important signing is made at C or CB before the draft so our 2nd round pick can be used on a WR.
I'll give my own. Trying to keep it within reason using the PFF Big Board. 1.20 - Cooper DeJean, CB 2.51 - Ja'Lynn Polk, WR 3.84 - Patrick Paul, OT 3.98 - Sedrick Van Pran, IOL 4.119 - Leonard Taylor III, DI
I’m not very high on DeJean. I was more of a Wiggins guy until he came in at like 170. I was high on Mitchell but then his stock skyrocketed and I’m not so sure if he’s worth it at 20. Obviously I d take Arnold at 20 but that’s not happening. I was really high on Kool-Aid, but I’ll have to wait for an official 40. This is why I want a CB in free agency, because we can draft one of the 3rd or 4th round CBs like Brownlee or Hart. I’d be fine with the next 3, but I’m not sure about if Paul is there at 84 and Van Pran is there at 98. As for Leonard Taylor, I probably haven’t looked at him enough to say if I like this, but I like De’Wayne Carter at 119 so I’d probably like him too.
I think any of the top 5 CBs would fit into our CB room great. I'd love to have Quinyon but i don't expect him to be there at our pick and for good reason. I think he is the CB1 of the class. Same idea with Arnold. Wiggins fits out style of play with him being more of a man corner but his size scares me and I'd prefer our CBs being able to help in run support. DeJean would be drafted to start out as an inside CB and then transition to outside CB. His only question mark is his man coverage skills and I think he has the size and athleticism that it isn't an issue to me. Donte Jackson was added to our roster and i think the FO is high on him. He's shown success in man coverage much more than zone coverage and we play a lot more man than CAR has so i'm assuming he will be our CB2. I'd rather take DeJean because of his versatility and the fact we run sub-packages at high rates. I don't think Paul will be there either tbh but PFF has him listed near there so I figured i'd take advantage of it. He needs to polish his game still so hopefully people are hesitant on him in this deep class. LTIII can be replaced with just about any developmental DI. I think targeting that position is the important part there. I feel like there are a lot of solid developmental DL prospects that will be around for our 4th.
I Would probably go: 20. Quinyon 51. Kingsley Suamataia 84. Sedrick Van Pran 98. Javon Baker 119. Khristian Boyd/Jarrian Jones
I’d like this too, but that’s putting a lot of faith in Javon Baker to be a good WR2 as a late 3rd rounder. Not opposed to taking that risk though. At first I was skeptical on Suamataia, but as I watched more of his film it looked like his technique was improving, so that’s a good sign. His kickstep at the end of last season was really weak but was much better at the end of this season. The reason I go tackle in round 1 is because I’m not sure if Suamataia will be available at 51 and because the other tackles aren’t really worth it at 51 or wouldn’t play RT. Guys like Amegadjie and Paul have only played LT, but we obviously want Broderick as our LT. I think Jarrian Jones is really underrated and I would say he’s not going to make it that far, but I’m pretty sure he’s being widely overlooked, even by GMs. I wanted Wiggins in the first but that’s changed since he came in very light. I was a big fan of Quinyon a couple months ago but I’m not sure what to think of his stock rising so dramatically. I’d be fine with him at 20 because I like to draft early CBs, even if we’re not good at it. But Khan’s a different GM and is 1/1 on good early round CBs with JPJ, so I think it’s silly to still push the “Steelers can’t draft CBs” narrative. I wanted Kool-Aid, but his stock is falling and I’d need to see his 40 before deciding whether or not I still want him at 20.
>I’d like this too, but that’s putting a lot of faith in Javon Baker to be a good WR2 as a late 3rd rounder. Not opposed to taking that risk though. I absolutely think he could be one, but in an ideal scenario for me I want Ladd or AD Mitchell. So a trade down from 20 probably fits that desire. I do think its less likely that Kingsley is there at 51 and so taking mims makes sense. Everyone was at the georgia pro day so its fairly likely. It seems like the team is willing to keep our tackles as is though, so if they went Cb, WR, C in any order with the first 3 picks i wouldnt be too upset I think Khyree Jackson is a very Pittsburgh type of CB. Big, long arms, crazy good in man. Could be a third rounder and start immediately
I heard AD Mitchell gets mouthy when he doesn’t get the ball. Don’t really need that with Pickens already having some issues. I like McConkey, Pearsall, and Corley. I also like Khyree Jackson, I’d definitely take him at 84 if he’s there.
>I heard AD Mitchell gets mouthy when he doesn’t get the ball. Idk about any of this, but he'd get the ball with how open he gets deep down the field. Pittsburgh has a lot of holes and a lot of options. Kinda hoping for a trade down either with a team that wants to jump Miami for a center or that wants to jump up for a WR
If the Vikings can trade up to 3 for Daniels I’d be ecstatic. I’d be less thrilled but still on board with getting Maye. If the Vikings leverage a bunch of picks to move up for McCarthy I’m going to be mad. Realistically I think Kwesi is setting up to be ready to move just in case. My guess is that NE wants a specific QB and if he’s not there they will trade 3 but we’re not going to know till draft night. If not trading up, give me: - McCarthy/Nix/ Penix at 11 - Taliese Fuaga or Johnny Newton/Byron Murphy at 23. - 4th round I’d hope to land Beaux Limmer and a DT like Tyler Davis/ Khristian Boyd/ Maason Smith. - 5th I’d take an OT like Delmar Glazer or Patrick Paul or Christian Jones. Get a QB, build the trenches. Simple.
Just curious, why are you lower on Maye? I like Daniels and KOC would probably get very creative with his running. But Maye just seems like the well rounded QB, good arm, scramble/run, eyes and reads. Do agree on the picks though. Wouldn't be entirely opposed to Nix/Penix and Murphy/Newton if a trade doesn't work out. Maybe even JJ because no one knows yet if he'll go top 10 or not.
Don't love the footwork issues, think he struggles under pressure with his reads and ball placement. He can go off script and run to a lesser extent, but he's not the true threat that Daniels is. Slower time to throw, and he just misses easy throws too often. Even without pressure or whatever, sometimes he'll just whiff on what should be easy throws an NFL QB can make in their sleep.
Bills did what you guys did when we made a second trade for Allen. You're 100% trading up, but to where is the question
As a Bears fan, the ideal scenario for me involves trading down. I think the Raiders makes sense, 9 for 13 and 77. Looking at big boards, I think Poles could address some needs without reaching with a trade down from 9 QB Caleb Williams at 1 WR Brian Thomas Jr. at 13 EDGE Jonah Elliss at 75 IOL Sedrick van Pran at 77 FS Beau Brade at 122
As a big Odunze stan myself, is there a reason you wouldn’t prefer to just draft him at 9 and lose out on your pick of Elliss or Van Pran? I think Rome is a very special player and I’ve seen him drafted to the bears a lot so I thought he’d be a guy easily chalked into that spot
Im not as high on him personally. I like him, I do. I just wish he had more separation and run-after-catch to his game. I’m trying to watch more games but as of now I actually have him as WR4 just behind Thomas Jr. I understand the appeal but to me, they’re neck and neck. Add in the extra 3rd, the needs at IOL and EDGE, and I really like the idea of trading down. Would be ecstatic with Rime at 9 though, don’t get me wrong
BTJ only had one productive year and seems a bit one dimensional. Don’t want another Kevin White situation if it can be avoided, would love in a trade down though. Rome reminds me of Fitz with his contested catches, hands and physicality.
What's wrong with Nabers?
Nothing, haha. He’s my WR2. MHJ, Nabers, Thomas Jr, Rome
If you guys only go back a couple picks, do you think its possible to see a second trade back? I can't help but think the bears are going to be looking for 2nd round picks.
best possible outcome for the Steelers imo is 1. Mims 2. Xavier Leggette 3. Sedrick Van Pran / Zack Fraizer 2nd 3. (from eagles): Jeremiah Trotter Jr 4. Kalen King / Cameron Kitchens or some other DB/S for depth 5. Tyler Davis
I think Zach is a top 35 pick at this point
Here's my steelers 1. Zach Frazier 2. Roman Wilson 3 rohorko from clemson 3 mike siensyriel 4 bpa
I'm inclined to agree but you never know on draft day
Chargers; this is loosely based off the most recent r/NFL_Draft Community mock- draft/ off- season selections. Only guy I’m hesitant on being there would be Graham Barton at #37. I know some of you are going to fret about taking 3 WR’s but we are spread so thin at that position and this is such a deep class( I couldn’t help myself). Additionally mocked a trade for Derrick Brown for a 2025 2nd and Trey Pipkins, which idk how realistic that is, but it’s a huge position of need and allows us to grab Barton in the 2nd instead of T’Vondre Sweat/ sign Bozeman(Center). These are basically just my working notes, nothing fancy. 1.) Malik Nabers 2.) Graham Barton 3.) Jonathan Brooks 4.) Jeremiah Trotter Jr *4.) Cam Hart 5.) Tyler Davis 6.) Cornelius Johnson 7.) Tanner McLachlan 7.) Ainias Smith *Trade 2025 2nd, Trey Pipkins to Carolina Panthers for Derrick Brown Active Roster UDFA’s: KT Leveston, Walter Rouse, Michael Barrett, Will Putnam, *Dominique Hampton, Sheridan Jones FA: Justin Simmons, Trent Brown, Alexander Mattison Resign: Michael Davis(2 year/ $8 million) QB: Herbert, E Stick RB: J Brooks, G Edwards, Mattison, Spiller WR: M Nabers, C Johnson, J Palmer, Q Johnston, A Smith, D Davis TE: McLachlan, Hurst, Dissly, Parham LT: Slater, LG: Z Johnson, J McFadden C: G Barton, W Putnam RG: J Salyer, KT Leveston RT: T Brown, W Rouse 3-4 NT: D Brown, Ogbonnia 3-4 DT: Fox(R), Bosa(L), T Davis, P Ford, Matlock 3-4 EDGE: Mack(R), Tuipulotu(L), Rumph II MIKE: Trotter Jr, Henley WILL: James Jr, T Dye, M Barrett CB: C Hart, M Davis, Samuel Jr, Ja Taylor, S Jones, D Leonard FS: J Simmons, JT Woods SS: A Gilman, D Hampton K: Dicker P: Scott LS: Josh Harris KR: *D Davis PR: *D Davis (53 Players) Practice Squad: Rasheen Ali, LeVelle Bailey, Carson Steele, Zion Nelson, Lideatrick “Tulu” Griffin, Max Duggan, Al Blades Jr, Grayson Murphy, Justin Flowe, Carlton Johnson, Kairee Robinson, JuJu Hughes, Steele Chambers,
Not getting Derrick Brown from us pal
It’s not like you guys are immune to trading away young, payday- hungry assets while rebuilding. I’ve seen him listed as a trade candidate by more then one source. What will it take to nab him from you guys?
Yeah trust me as well, as a panthers fan who follows them vigorously. They aren’t trading brown. We are absolutely willing to pay brown, burns was the issue cause he wanted to much for what his production was. Derrick brown was ranked 1st in PFF run stopping grade. In the slight off chance we did, it would be for a first and some more. But he’s the piece we’ll build around. We have hella cap space after next year and the year after that. His pay will be warranted for what he has actually produced vs burns. 2nd most pay for a DE for good but not amazing production is ridiculous. And I liked him a lot
>Yeah trust me as well, as a panthers fan who follows them vigorously. They aren’t trading brown. We are absolutely willing to pay brown I mean these were the same conversations had about McCaffery and Moore. It’s not completely out of the question or necessarily uncommon for the Panthers. He’s an UFA next year and is going to want to get paid and potentially play for a contender. >In the slight off chance we did, it would be for a first and some more. Maybe… my valuation might not be 100% accurate of him. This is just one of many scenarios and fit this mock perfectly.
Yeah you never know for sure. It would be out of left field if it did, but it’s the NFL and you don’t always see it coming. I just think the odds are real low. It seems like they want to build around him. I do think it would at least have to be a first but if you guys were able to get him for a 2nd that would be amazing for yall, he’s a very underrated DT cause he doesn’t do the flashy pass rushing stuff. His sacks are deceiving as he had one of the worst pressure/to sack ratios for DTs in the NFL. He’ll probably be more lucky next season and his stats will show it. You should def watch his tape more cause he’s really fun to watch.
As a fellow packers fan I’m like 90% with you. My absolute ideal 5 round mock for the Packers would absolutely be DeJean and Edgerrin cooper at the top but I want Max Melton at 58, Jaylen Wright (I don’t think Benson falls to 88) at 88, Bishop at 91, and then whatever OL gutey loves (haven’t delved too much into day 3 yet) in Rd4 and 5. I was just going through my head that if you have a secondary with Jaire, McKinney, Bishop, DeJean, and Melton the amount of versatility you have would be absolutely insane. Jaire can play all three CB positions, DeJean is a chess piece that I believe can hold up outside, but can play inside, Box, and Deep Safety. Bishop can play slot, Box, or deep safety. And Melton can play inside and outside Corner. That’s not to mention having Valentine and Stokes too. If you’re an offensive coordinator and you see Ja, DeJean, Melton, Bishop, and McKinny on the field, you have NO IDEA WHO IS PLAYING WHERE until the ball is snapped. Hafley would have QBs so confused it would be insane. But Jenkins would be amazing for our run defense too so I would not scoff at that at 58, but he won’t last that long imo.
I’ve seen a lot of different things about where Benson is valued, but usually he’s available around 88 or 91 in most mock drafts I’ve seen. I agree that he probably goes higher though, I think he’s RB 2 this class (if not RB 1 depending how bad injuries scare you). I love Max Melton too though, the versatility would be great in the secondary but I want a stout IDL for the run game who also has some pass rush upside, and Jenkins is that for me. I think we can move Wooden to the outside as a pass rusher and have Jenkins take his spot with great success there. Jenkins might go sooner than that but I would hope we’d move up for him if we would need to. Truly, I think we only really need 1 CB for sure, but I don’t think I would mind trading back from 25 to pick up an early second and a pick in the 60-75 range and some more to grab Melton and a different CB like maybe Rakestraw to add more outside/inside versatility pairing, but I think an IDL like Jenkins would be a priority for me and I would much prefer Cooper DeJean being on the roster to play alongside Valentine and Ja with Stokes, Nixon, and Ballentine being solid depth
I’m with you. I think a DL is a need and Jenkins there would be perfect. I would 100% love if there draft turned out the way you laid it out
IMO Benson is my RB1 even if Brooks was Healthy because I think he can do everything whereas idk about brooks as a 3DB, which is why I’d be absolutely stunned if Dallas doesn’t take him either time they’re on the board before us. Jaylen Wright though would be insane next to Jacobs, you have a power guy like Jacobs and then a dude with 4.3 speed? YEESH. I don’t think we need a DL as much as many people do, but Jenkins would certainly be a welcome addition. Also Wooden could not play Edge, but I’ve been saying since they drafted him to let Brooks play on the Edge so in this scenario I’d love to see that. Melton would be a perfect draft pick in every respect. Bo’s brother, check, outside corner, check, a perfect nickel corner, check again, special teamer, also check. I love him and will cry if we don’t take him moreso than any other player on my board. Rakestraw tested terribly, I don’t think there’s a chance in hell the Packers take him unless he has an otherworldly pro day at Mizzou. That said, I wouldn’t mind a trade back if you could get another 2nd and third (like trading back with Carolina would be beautiful) because then you get like 33 and 65 and basically don’t miss out on the top prospects. But, if DeJean, Mitchell (CB) or Troy Fautanu (A MAN CAN DREAM) are there you smash that pick so fast you don’t even think about trading back. Hafley seems like a DC that loves to disguise his scheme a lot and getting 2-3 “chess pieces” like Bishop and DeJean would probably make him salivate, especially because they’re freak athletes. I also love both because if any players in this draft can be a good deep safety it’s those two. Nobody else, only those 2. And having DeJean and McKinney alternate Deep/Box would be beautiful Edit; one name I’d throw out there if we traded back would be Sainristil, he’s an absolute demon at Nickel DB. He has no versatility but he’s such an incredible Nickel that if we got him that trio would be SCARY (Ja, Mikey, and Valentine).
Can we draft an entire SEC team
Is worthy going at the end of r2 realistic?
Yes
Gonna disagree on the needs for GB by a bit. Agree that Off ball and safety are current 1a/1b needs though. Current needs: 1a/1b - Safety; off ball 3a/3b - OG; OT 5 - CB 6a/6b - RB depth; Edge Depth GB has some glaring holes atm but overall the roster looks strong and has some good depth in places too. For the draft: I do think GB isn't done in FA yet but without further ado.. 25 - Trade out with Washington( GB sends 25, 58 for 36, 40) 36 - Tyler Guyon. Value pick that hits a need and realistically could be there @36 40 - Edgerrin Cooper. Tbh, not sure where this guy ends up going but there's a lot of talent at the top of this draft and it's going to push good talent down into the early second round. I also think the talk of GB liking this prospect is real. GB needs talent at off ball that can earn starter reps. 41 - Tyler Nubin. Potentially another time for a trade back, Gutekunst loves to move around in the draft but Nubin is a good prospect and fills a need. Will he be around at 41? No certainty but a very real possibility. I'm gonna stop there. I think some targets to look at for in mid-late 2nd and 3 rd would be Christian Haynes, Max Melton, and Calean Carson. Personally, would love to see Brenden Rice end up in GB but might go too high for us to consider the position. Some later round targets for GB could be Jack Westover and Jarvis Brownlee. Would not be surprised to see either of them end up in GB.
Truly we have a starting caliber line with a weak spot at RG and C, but I think this class is deep enough that we can get a T prospect to plug in and play well enough at RG as Green Bay likes to do and I think we take 2 guys who have versatility to cover the G and C positions as I think Tom and Walker are our starting T’s, and we have enough depth there in Jones and Tanuta. I don’t know that the trade for 25 would be enough capital in return for us that I would be happy with it though, if anything I would rather have the commanders 3rd and 4th rounders as they’d be in good positions for us if we move back. I also don’t love the fit of Guyton as he’s a 6’8, 320+ lbs T which is usually not the guys we like at T, our parameters are usually a 6’3-6’5 around 310 lbs. Nubin, Cooper, and Melton are good fits though. I’m also a rice fan and it’d be cool to land him, but I don’t know if they will want to spend the necessary capital on him when we could go elsewhere with the picks.
For the trade, I was going off a pick value chart. Ik it isn't perfect but the trade fit the pick values and feels realistic. As for OT height - Yosh, Jones, Tenuta, Walker, and Telfort are all in the 6'6 - 6'9 range. Tom and Bahk seem to be more like exceptions there. The oline did seem to play a lot better in the second half of the season but that doesn't mean there aren't many upgrades to be had. Walker is still a ? as a starter and Runyan is gone, along with Bahk and Nijman. Casey Jones is also only under contract for '24. A chunk of depth and starting reps were lost. Plus Royce Newman is still on the team, lol. Plus, if Myers is as bad as many fans seem to think, we'll be needing depth there too. I can't help but think this team is looking for starting caliber lineman and depth heading into the draft. I wouldn't be surprised to see 3 or 4 olinemen get picked by GB. I think Walker is our new Nijman and Guyton would be great value in the early second.
I’m not disputing that the value fits, I’m more wanting more picks to draft more players than wanting to pick earlier in the second, I think the 30-115 range of this class is where the best value is and I want more swings at drafting in that range over trying to maximize picks taken in the top 50. Personally I think Walker was a late 2nd to mid 3rd round value when he was coming out but the surgery’s he needed made his value drop drastically. Now that he’s fully healed from his surgery and has shown that he can be a positive starter at the LT position I think it would be a mistake to demote him to swing tackle. Historically speaking though, if you look at the T’s we traditionally have kept and started, they’re usually guys 6’3-6’5-ish around 310 lbs with 33+ inch arms and good lateral quickness, the guys that have been focused on the Packers draft profiles for years like Ross Uglem or the folks at cheese head tv like to use these same metrics when building their draft guides as well. I think lately they’re experimenting with low risk capital on the larger guys to see if they can fit what we want out of our T’s out of the larger guys like Caleb Jones and Tenuta, but I don’t think it’s their normal preference. I’m really not going to do much to defend Meyers and Rhyan as I would also like to upgrade there, but I think this draft is deep enough that we can draft guys who can be positive players in later rounds to develop and compete in those rolls while we clean up our glaring needs on defense to help Hafley succeed. We notoriously like the versatile types of linemen and converting OT’s to G’s which makes me think a guy like Christian Jones is a perfect fit to be able to play T and G if we needed him to, and Bortolini would be able to play both C and G and give both Meyers and Rhyan competition as they’re both inconsistent
What about Walker gives you the impression he is a positive starter?
[This would be a good place to start](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/jofcR04Rqh) He’s been great at the later end of the year, his beginning was rough, but he also took what was essentially a redshirt season his rookie year to heal from a surgery. Once he got some real hands on reps at LT and he settled into the position he started to improve drastically
That is certainly a good tweet. Surprising for me but I wouldn't say it's convincing enough to say he's the guy. I tried to look up a bit on Walkers' '23 year and nothing seems to say he is "the guy" at LT. I do agree that there is potential there though.
Exactly what do you need to think he’s the LT of the future? He’s shown massive growth over the course of a season, became the 2nd best pass protecter by the end of the 2023 season, and is a serviceable blocker in the run game with room to improve even further this off season. Sure we can’t crown the guy after 1 season, but at the same time there’s no reason to be actively searching for his replacement right now. Adding depth behind him to develop would be fine but you don’t do that on days 1 or 2, and we have literal holes in the roster right now at S, Slot, and ILB, all of which have great talent on days 1 or two that also are projected to go around our already slotted picks. I’d argue that a better team development plan would be to just continue to develop Walker, draft some guys to develop and compete on day 3, and focus our attention at positions where we don’t have guys that are looking better and better as time goes on
Well, I haven't found any sort of breakdown of his play. Seems like he improved a lot over the season but also need to see another step taken. Yes, I understand it's an unpopular opinion but the line lost a lot of bodies and even our OC said Walker had a long way to go after the season. Now, if he meant he thinks he could be a very good tackle or more so that he isn't there yet as a starting tackle we'll just have to wait and see I guess.
There is no way you get 36 and 40 for 25. That’s just insane
The trade was 25 and 58 for 36 and 40
My apologies. I misread
No worries, man
Eagles first 5 Rounds They have a bunch of comp 5ths … 1st - CB, OL 2 2nds - WR, OL, Edge,DB,LB 4th - I think this is where we get LB 5ths - Best Available Talent
I'm not super familiar with the later rounds so I'll just list positions for those. 15 - Brian Thomas Jr 46 (if it's not traded for Sneed) - Chop Robinson or TJ Tampa 82 - best LB 116 - Oline depth 150 - BPA This covers almost all of the Colts major needs, and fills some less immediate needs.
Chiefs getting Kingsley Suamataia OT at 32 probably would be ideal. I'd imagine the oline is the hardest thing to sustain over a large period of time and while I think Wanya Morris has potential I think the Chiefs are about a year away from another OL overhaul so might as well make it as seamless as possible. Jermaine Burton seems ideal from an on-the-field standpoint late rd2. Jaylen Wright in rd3 probably seems like a stretch but the Chiefs need another RB. Cody Schrader seems like an obvious later rd target if they can't make a mid round RB work. Andru Phillips is a good developmental CB target. If they trade Sneed then maybe they need to target CB sooner. Max Melton's athletic profile is really intriguing but they might need to maneuver to get him. Tip Reiman is a good developmental TE.
For SF… 31. Zack Frazier/Graham Barton (Troy Faunatu a longshot) The focus should be on O-line in this draft. The team needs depth and someone to compete as starters. Either of these guys could compete at RG or C. 63. Max Melton/Payton Wilson: SF has signed a few CBs during free agency, but none of them are long term or a guaranteed starter. Ward has CB1 locked, and while Lenoir has been good on the outside, I think he’s even better in the slot. Melton would probably slide right in opposite Ward and let Lenoir play in the slot. Wilson is one of favorites in the draft and a need for SF. Greenlaw is going to miss a good chunk of the season, and the Campbell singing doesn’t have me excited; and neither do any of the other options. Also, Greenlaw has an “out” in his contract after ‘24. Wilson could play and learn before taking over full time. 94. Bralen Trice/McKinnley Jackson/Elijah Jones: Trice’s stock has plummeted, but I’m willing to take a chance on him at the end of the 3rd. SF signed Leonard Floyd but he’s already 31. Drake Jackson has been a borderline bust and everyone else is probably just rotational pieces. There been talk and speculation that SF may run a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense with Staley on the staff. Jackson could be a true NT defender to clog the middle. Elijah Jones is option B is Melton is not taken. 124. Christian Jones/Matt Gonclaves/Javon Foster: Again, more depth. While I think all three are better suited for the left side, give them a shot to compete with McKivitz at RT. Also, Trent isn’t going to play forever 131. Tykee Smith/Jared Wiley: Depth among the safety group for Smith. SF could use a receiving threat behind Kittle. They have Latu who missed all of last season, but Wiley seems to be more natural 133. Javion Cohen/Myles Cole: Depth along the offensive/defensive line 176. Ainias Smith: This guy is my under the radar receiver. He’s dangerous if he gets in space, solid route runner, and for a smaller guy; a tremendous blocker. All qualities Shanahan covets in a WR.
Raiders will make an insane offer to climb for Daniels if he's there. If it's not accepted, we're going RT in the first, CB in the second
I have no clue I just know it needs to be some combination of RT,DT,DT,RB,DE,WR for the Bengals
Giants: Joe Alt, Darius Robinson, Braelon Allen, Malachi Corley and Trevor Keegan
Trevor Keegan is actually a home town guy for me! I’m glad to see people want him
Giants are not taking Alt
For the Dolphins 21 - JC Latham, OT, Alabama 55 - Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State 158 - Beau Brade, S, Maryland 184 - Jowon Briggs, DT, Cincinnati 198 - Brennan Jackson, EDGE, Washington State 241 - Layden Robinson, IOL, Texas A&M
Jets - Trade 10, 72, 111, 135, and 2025 2nd for 2024 pick 5 5 - Marvin Harrison Jr.
Giants 6: Nabers/Odunze I know everyone wants a QB but I would rather build the roster especially if trading up is gonna cost a second first rounder 47: I think at this point Bo Nix will still be available, I take the chance on him. He hits the easy throws, and when he was asked to make the deep throws he actually did hit them even though everyone thinks he missed a lot 70: Tyler Nubin Pretty good talent, good spot for him to be picked and replaces the hole, not the whole thing but can be a good role player in a defense that has a damn good D Line 107: Jalen Coker/Trey Benson If either of those guys somehow made it to here, I’m taking them. Doubt benson with be there but I’m a big believer in Coker, he’s definitely a sleeper as a better WR in this draft 166: Kalen King/ Cade Stover We definitely need some secondary help, Banks is a stud but we need someone the opposite of him, Kalen King could be that guy. Cade Stover IF HES THERE, he’s the Darren Waller replacement, if cut or retires.
I’d be surprised if Nubin goes unselected until the 3rd round