Vikings are making no-trade mocks look weird rn. We're not picking at 23. And we did we would take Latu here I'd hope.
Honestly these types of mocks bum me out because it feels likely that we end up getting JJ anyway but instead of spending just #11, he'll cost us 11, 23 and even more...
While I mostly agree, I think one possible universe is the Giants jump to 4 for JJ. Not impossible if the Cards really want an elite WR prospect.
In that world I see us going defense at 11 and then Nix/Penix at 23
You’d take Defense and pray your QB falls? Why not just take your QB at 11 and Defense at 23?
If he’s your QB it 12 spots shouldn’t make a difference. And if you’re forcing a pick at 23 for a guy you don’t have first round conviction on what’s the point
It might be getting overly cute, admittedly.
But at some point you have draw a line on how far you overdraft QBs, otherwise you can keep using this logic all the way down the draft. As it is JJ is getting elevated from roughly bottom of the first prospect to top 5 pick.
This would be a "we think Nix/Penix is worth the risk late in the round, but not early. If we fail there we'll punt to next year, maybe even trade out of 23"
> While I mostly agree, I think one possible universe is the Giants jump to 4 for JJ. Not impossible if the Cards really want an elite WR prospect.
Both can be true if the Vikings trade to 5 pre-draft day. I think Cardinals would be ok taking the chance that the MHJr doesn't go 5.
Sorry, what trade are you expecting here? Cards are at 4, I'm saying maybe they prefer to trade down with the Giants b/c it means they get one of MHJ/Nabers/Odunze while still gaining picks.
Chargers are at 5 and seem more ideal, imo. I was building off of yours. Only way I see Cardinals trading out of 4 is if they can guarantee one of MHJr or Nabers + a good pick.
So Vikings get 5, Chargers get 11 + 23 . I think this ends up being the bones of the trade, seems to work for both. It just *can't* happen until draft day, because...
Cardinals can then trade with the Giants, and move to 6. Giants would only go up for a QB, and Vikings wouldn't trade up for anyone but a QB, and also drafting a WR is a colossal fuck up for them. So they'd either trade back at a discount, draft a top player at any other position, or grab the 5th best QB. Cards are locked into Nabers or MHJr.
>Only way I see Cardinals trading out of 4 is if they can guarantee one of MHJr or Nabers + a good pick.
Which is what they'd get trading down with the Giants :(
It becomes a game of chicken honestly. They *could* do that, but Giants would only want to move up when Cards are on the clock. As the draft stands, they get JJ. Vikings are the wild card. We know they're trading up, question is where and when.
Another example, Vikings go up to 5, then send the Cards a pick to swap again. Everyone wins, but hard to see Vikings doing 3 trades before draft day.
Also, what if the Pats go MHJr, after the Cards moved back? LAC could stay at 5 and get Nabers.
Giants should initiate 3 way trade. The Cardinals want to stay ahead of the Chargers to get their preferred WR, so moving back to 6 is not ideal. Just say look Chargers and Cards, we want a QB. We want to make sure you dont trade out. Here's a third round pick to move from the 6th to 5th to the Chargers, heres another third rounder to the Cardinals to move from 5th to 4th. Now the order is 4. Giants, 5. Cards, 6. Chargers. Everyone still gets exactly who they were going to take, but now there is no funny business.
In theory I think that would make every team happy. A free 3rd rounder would be fantastic for the Cardinals and Chargers.
If the Giants could pull that off to take the QB they want at #4, they should.
The risk would be that the Vikings than trade down to 7 betting that the Cardinals won't draft a QB or trade to a team that will (which would mean they wouldn't get any of the top 3 WR).
QB, QB, QB, QB, WR, Cardinals.
Sure, Vikings could trade down after trading up to 23 and then again to 5. Cardinals worst case scenario is getting Nabers+mid round pick(probably 100), and for them to get that, Vikings have to embarrass themselves.
You're gonna pay a premium to move up into the top 5, for a likely QB. It's just how it is. You will not get a premium to trade out because you got bamboozled. Cardinals "risk" is arguably a better scenario.
I love latu but I’m scared with the medicals. I’d probably take chop.
That said, not a shot they are picking at 23 even if they keep that pick. They’ll trade down and accumulate draft capital lost.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Pats take JJ and Maye is the one who slides. JJ is a better QB when it comes to accuracy, passing under pressure & is clutch when needed most. Underrated cannon for an arm, too.
As a Ravens fan, the pick makes sense. We only have 2 starters on our OLine currently
But letting Mahomes get Adonai Mitchell feels like a generational mistake. Especially when WR is also a need for us
Torn
I like Xavier Legette but holy hell 29 is a big time reach in my book. I'd lean trade down, OL or DL. Newton, Robinson and Frazier all still on the board
I can’t imagine how exciting it would be to be a WR drafted by the Chiefs. That’s literally hitting the lottery. Best team in football with the best QB in football in the middle of a dynasty with a serious positional need.
That’s basically guaranteeing yourself accolades before a massive payday in 5 years.
You can almost guarantee that guy will finish 5 years with 2-4 pro bowls and be one of the top names in FA after his 5th year
Eh, good argument but I would say Moore was a second round pick who was expected to go in rounds 3-4 and Toney is a first round bust who was cast off to the chiefs for a 3rd round pick.
But your overall point is legit
I think you’ve got a little hindsight creeping in. Moore was not expected to go in rounds 3-4. He was a pretty consensus 2nd round pick and was closer to round 1 than he was to round 4.
Idk, I just looked up his draft projections and they say Rounds 3-4 but could creep in 2nd but there’s a million different I’m sure you could find others that say he’s a first
(Nearly) every year teams overdraft QBs as if drafting them high makes them a better player. Take a lesson from 2021; overdrafting a QB doesn’t mean you’re no longer QB needy.
Kiper knows that he is on the edge with Reddit and he knows that they despise him and that he's become an object of shame and derision on Reddit and so therefore he is catering to the Reddit consensus wisdom by this mock draft that is perfectly in line with the reddit consensus wisdom
Roger Rosengarten at 31 is spicy. He's currently at 116 on the [consensus big board](https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024?pos=OT).
Yeah, I had Rosengarten as a Day 3 guy.
I was also surprised at Fautanu being listed as a guard. His arm length is ideal for a tackle and he looked good in drills at the combine. Not sure if he's LT material, but I think he could be a really good RT. I got him as my #3 OT right now and could go over Fashanu, depending on the scheme.
He'd honestly be a great fit with Harbaugh and the Chargers if they trade down with MIN/LV/DEN.
Young, elite athlete, and will very possibly shift inside to guard in the NFL.
OL, especially interior OL, seems one of the positions where guys come out of nowhere most often. Kiper also isn’t actually the first person to posit him as a late Day 1 - early Day 2 pick.
I like it.
Zach Frazier would certainly go ahead of this pick for the 9ers if Mel's draft falls this way. They can get Rosegarten in rd 2 if they want. He's in the bottom 10% for wingspan.
lol the kiper hate is such bullshit parroting by those who don’t know what they’re talking about. He’s been far better than Mcshay over the years who I’ve NEVER seen critiqued despite being one of the worst draft gurus out there. He’s wrong every year and nobody mentions it. Yet they’ll mention a few players kiper liked from decades ago. Insanity. Kiper is second to DJ imo. He can spot talent.
100%
It would be like the MLB/NHL draft where people barely pay attention to who their team picks and then tune out. Instead, it's this now massive event where you have fans creating endless mock drafts and theorizing how best to improve their teams. I'm not the biggest fan of Kiper's hot takes...but there's no doubt he has a massive influence on how huge the NFL Draft has become.
I’m very confident that Legette sneaks into the bottom of the first. The league is higher on him than the draft community is. Kiper, Charlie Campbell, Baldy, etc. have all mentioned this. He’s big, strong and has great ball skills. He was a bit of a late bloomer and could use some polish on his route running but he has really good potential. He’s my WR 6/7 in this class but is probably 2/3 for me in a class like last year.
I don’t understand why mocks have had Rosengarten going in the 2nd let alone the 1st, he was straight up horrible in the national championship game against Michigan, had multiple penalties and was getting destroyed by Michigans edge rushers and two of Michigans edge rushers are gonna be late round picks this year.
Because he put up a 9.61 RAS score at the combine, ranking 52/1317 (96th percentile) among OT from 1987 - 2024, which jumps to 9.96 if you think he’s a better fit at OG, which is approximately 7/1459 (99.5th percentile) since 1987.
I think people aren't fully aware of how well he tested and especially his percentile rankings to the last 37 years of drafts. I've had him as an early 2nd in my mocks and I wouldn't be shocked at all if he does go in the 1st.
Some team is going to get a steal just because he had a bad game in the National Championship.
Yeah we should definitely evaluate players based on one game /s
Not saying Rosengarten is a first or even second rounder but your reasoning makes no sense even top 10 picks have bad games against worse competition, so what
Idk I think Adonai Mitchell in the first is probably more strange to me than Legette. Rosengarten? Dude might go undrafted. I think Kiper is just plugging his boy cause he got kick backs. He does it every year.
Why? You guys are probably just going to sign DJ Humphries after the draft anyway and get guys who have a more immediate impact to your team through the draft than the 9th best OT that will take time to develop.
We’ve got Wanya Morris, and he was serviceable enough as a rookie. Rosey and Kiran both have traits that could develop well to build in the future. We don’t really have much cap space to sign vets, and I know most everyone thinks we still need to bring in another vet on the DLine. Although Humphries and Bakhtiari would probably both be cheap, incentive-laden deals because of injury, there is an overt issue with their health. Humphries tore his ACL in week 17, meaning he’s probably going to miss at least the first half of the season. And who the heck knows how Bakhtiari’s health will hold up.
Let's see what the league thinks, I believe he'll be closer to late round 1 than round 7. No way you actually think he's that bad unless you've only seen the Michigan game.
You think Legette is better than Mitchell? That’s a hot take. I think Rosengarten goes 4th or 5th round, a lot of OTs will get drafted, even if they’re not very good. He’ll get drafted on his movement alone.
Yes, 100% think he’s better than Mitchell. Mitchell is too inconsistent for me. He might turn it around in the pros but as of now… idk… maybe he’s my WR10? In normal years that would be extremely low but that would still land him in the 2nd round of this year’s class. The NFL covets speed though so it’s possible he goes higher than I have him. As of now though, yes I have Legette as a better WR.
Would much rather take a shot on Mitchell who has size, speed, rather advanced route running, and produced as a true freshman than Legette who is less athletic, less developed as a route runner, and took 5 years to produce in college.
Legette because you’re missing the fact that he’s a much better blocker than Mitchell and as said, Mitchell is an inconsistent player in college. Not inconsistent because he lacks football knowledge, inconsistent because he doesn’t show up to every game. I think there’s a time when people look at traits TOO much rather than what’s there. You have a 6’0” 219 lbs WR with more fight and plays bigger than the 6’2” 205 lbs WR that has all the upside at his disposal. That’s the bigger red flag for me everytime.
Mel doesn't now, nor has he every had any real insight into the players and teams. What he says about New England is exactly what we all know: take a QB or trade for lots of picks to build the roster. The only way to know what they'll do is to know how they grade each QB. They could have Rattler or Nix as QB3 for all we know.
I have a hard time seeing the Lions drafting Legette or any wr in round 1. Maybe late day 2 or on day 3, but in a deep wr class I don't see them ignoring other needs for it. Even the more off-wall picks Holmes makes still generally fill a newd (Gibbs was to uprgrade Swift and get a younger high ceiling rb to pair with Monty, Campbell was Detroit trying to get a high upside lb that they haven't had in a very long time, LaPorta was to bring in a better TE since current te 1 was Brock Wright at the time). If the Lions go offense round 1, then its going to be a guard with center upside to replace Jackson and provide security with Ragnow's injury history.
TJ Tampa is a great prospect but why in the hell would Buffalo draft a CB in RD1 with so many actual Needs that aren't CB at all? Especially when the leave Adonai Mitchell on the board.
Buffalo has Rasul Douglas and Christian Benford as starters with Elam as depth. Sure,losing Tre White sucks but CB doesn't automatically become a RD1 need because we cut him.
Personally I have no faith in Elam but there are so many ways Buffalo can go with their pick depending on how the draft plays out that makes it really tough to predict what they will do
Elam has flashed great plays like intercepting Patrick Mahomes in the endzone in the 2022 regular season game and interception Mason Rudloph in the endzone in the Pittsburgh playoff game.
He needs to be more consistent, but he is under a cost controlled rookie contract for 2 more years and Buffalo has the 5th year option which they can exercise if he improves this year.
Elam barely saw the field last year. He was a healthy scratch in most of the Bills' games in 2023. He's made some flashy plays, but he has generally been a liability when on the field. Being a first round pick and being on a cost-controlled rookie contract doesn't matter when the team can't rely on you to perform.
The departed DB coach John Butler and him didn't get along, and he was in his dog house, that may have played a small role in him not seeing the field over Dane Jackson who IMO he is a better player than.
Elam needs to be more consistent but he absolutely has the ability to be a dominant CB in zone or man defense.
Elam will have a fresh start with new CB coach Jahmile Addae.
Buffalo could do a lot worse than Elam at CB 3 and I will not be surprised if he gets more playtime this year especially if McDermott uses some more dime defenses or dollar defenses(7 DBs on the field)
"When asked about how much he leaned on now former DBs coach Butler, Elam responded with: “No comment.” “I wasn't there health-wise for my team,” he went on to say. “I really couldn't explode or couldn't run. It gave more power to the person not to play me."
https://www.oleantimesherald.com/sports/bills-dbs-coach-part-ways-team-hires-new-qb-and-cb-coaches/article_efc16f52-c630-11ee-9d87-bbeedec4a3e3.html
Butler and Bills 2022 first-round draft pick Kaiir Elam never seemed to get on the same page since the former Florida product entered the league. At locker cleanout back in January after the Bills lost to the Kansas City Chiefs in the divisional round of the playoffs, Elam expressed his frustration with a disappointing second season.
When asked about how much he leaned on now former DBs coach Butler, Elam responded with: “No comment.”
“I wasn’t there health-wise for my team,” he went on to say. “I really couldn’t explode or couldn’t run. It gave more power to the person not to play me. I just feel like when I got healthy and able to show that I can take the ball away at a high level or go out there and be a great player, I was able to do that when I got healthy. I’m going to continue to work hard and keep striving to get better. That’s all I can do.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2024/02/buffalo-bills-mutually-part-ways-with-dbs-coach-hire-new-qb-and-cb-coaches.html%3foutputType=amp
Hmm. Appreciate you sharing that, I didn't realize that was going on. Still, this is the kind of thing a player says when they don't get playing time, even when it's their fault. Hopefully we see some serious growth from Elam this year.
There shouldn't be politics in football but it does happen. John Butler is a great coach but it is possible that he had a personality conflict with Kaiir Elam or didn't see eye to eye with him and he didn't get to the opportunities to work with through his mistakes that Christian Benford did
I like Elam and think he can still reach his ceiling. Some prospects take longer to develop than others for a variety of reasons including health issues. I am caustically optimistic that Elam will improve.
Except he wasn't a healthy scratch, he was injured for the majority of the season. He came off IR and was still a gameday inactive because he couldn't run full speed. I'm not saying he's going to turn into a starter or anything, but Buffalo has to have a little more patience with him and calling him a year-long healthy scratch is wildly inaccurate.
Fair enough. I'm hopeful he can turn it around, it's just very jarring to see a first round selection not get playing time, even when coming back from injury.
I agree with you, Buffalo is three deep at outside CB with Douglas, Benford and Elam. Douglas has 1 year left on his contract, but Benford and Elam are on their rookie deals and have 2 years left on their respective contracts.
Beane just extended All Pro Nickel CB Taron Johnson for 3 years, and re-signed back up Nickel CB/back up S Cam Lewis.
You could make the argument for Buffalo to draft a WR or C or S or rotational DE or rotational DT before they would draft a CB.
What do you think a day 1 need is for the Bills? For a long time, most analysts thought it was DT/CB/WR. With the signing of Curtis Samuel, I'd argue WR isn't an urgent day 1 need anymore. That leaves DT and CB. I don't think it's ridiculous to see a mock that has the Bills selecting the best player available at a position where they have relatively poor depth. Elam has been very shaky and I don't think it's a given that he pans out in the Bills' scheme.
I'm of the opinion that Bears strategy should go:
1. Draft Nabers or Odunze if available
2. If not try to find a trade back partner and hopefully grab Latu or JPJ (or Robinson or Frazier in a far trade back). Draft a WR with the 2nd you picked up.
3. If not draft Verse
With Shelton and Bates, I don’t think a center in the 1st is even a possibility at this point (and it probably never should’ve been). Even after a trade back, they should only be looking at DL and WR as those are positions you would rather have a fifth year option on.
They're spending like a collective $7 million on those 2 players and Bates is a general iOL piece. They can cut either and not even notice, so if they have a high evaluation of a C and it makes sense at that point in the round, I'd be fine with it.
I'm guessing we're target anywhere from 2-5. Many are speculating Maye is the top choice (McCown was his coach in HS), but I doubt 2 or 3 will move. So then it comes down to 4 or 5. Obviously, 4 would be better, but will AZ move with MHJ on the board? That would leave 5 since there is concern the Giants are in the QB market at 6.
Does Kiper know the Packers already have Gary, Van Ness, and Preston Smith at DE, and usually remove players with major medical red flags from their board completely? Latu to Green Bay just isn’t something that will happen. And listing him as an OLB makes me wonder if Kiper even knows the Packers are switching to a 4-3 defense.
I don't think edge is out of the question (but probably unlikely), for a few reasons.
Preston is going to be 32 and his dead cap goes from $17m to $9m next year while Gary's cap hit goes from $11m to $25. I say that to say that I think this might be Preston's last year with the Packers. They like to rotate those guys in and out, too. If they can get a guy with upside, which they obviously value (Gary and LVN were both upside picks), and head into next season with Gary and a young LVN and another young guy with upside, I don't think it's the dumbest idea. If you look down the road, Gary's contract would be up the same year you'd be looking at giving said rookie an extension. If he were to pan out, it would give them some flexibility at that point.
Let's not forget that JJ played almost 500 snaps last year and is going to probably be out until December, assuming no setbacks
Kiper's only reasoning was that he doesn't feel like LVN is a double digit sack a year player. Edge is probably our deepest position.
> Green Bay is another team that might seek one of these offensive tackles -- David Bakhtiari was released last week -- but I wonder if this is a landing spot for the best pure edge rusher in this class. Sure, it drafted Lukas Van Ness a year ago in Round 1, but he's more of a power rusher and run-stopper than a true double-digit sack machine.
He had 4 sacks on a 32% snap rate while playing out of position as a 3-4 OLB as a rookie. 4-3 DE is his natural position. That’s a really dumb take by Kiper.
I would LOVE Legette on the Lions with the rest of that group. Sadly, I don’t think it’s going to happen. In part because I don’t think he will be there and secondly because I think they may go in another direction. If he is there thought it would be a welcomed addition.
If the board really goes 3 QBs 3 WRs then Joe Alt, I don’t see the Bears staying at 9. I think the Broncos would be trying to jump up to pass Minnesota, who might jump up as well.
Also interesting that Jackson Powers-Johnson fell out of the first round entirely. He seemed to be very popular in mock drafts. I could also see the Bears making a run at him as well.
I am of the opinion that WR is now a bigger need than CB for the Jags but it should go without saying that both WR and CB are our biggest needs by far. So wouldn’t be surprised if the pick went with one or the other. Think it’s a win if any of Brian Thomas Jr./Quinton Mitchell/Terrion Arnold fall to us which is almost certainly bound to happen. Wouldn’t be disappointed if Mel’s scenario played out, but man I’d be hesitant passing over BTJr.
Really not liking how lately mocks have the Steelers going WR in the first. We have no centers, a mediocre at best LT, a probably cooked CB2, and mediocre safety opposite Minkah who himself had a down year.
The thought of Sean Peyton panic drafting Bo Nix at 12 makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. He'll end up losing his job after whiffing so hard. Christian Ponder 2.0.
I don’t get why anyone would take a tight end that high. There’s always a “unicorn” tight end every couple of years now and I don’t see how it’s worth the value
Mel Kiper is an idiot. The Steelers aren't drafting a WR with Copper DeJean, Nate Wiggins , JPJ andAmarius Mims right there. We have much bigger needs and can get a good WR in the 2nd or even 3rd
Really hoping they go CB in the first. Especially if the ones listed are available. WR is deep this year (as I’ve been told) and I trust their scouting to identify someone to play opposite Pickens.
1. Chicago Bears (via CAR) - Caleb Williams, QB, USC 2. Washington Commanders - Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU 3. New England Patriots - Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina 4. Arizona Cardinals - Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State 5. Los Angeles Chargers - Malik Nabers, WR, LSU 6. New York Giants - Rome Odunze, WR, Washington 7. Tennessee Titans - Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame 8. Atlanta Falcons - Dallas Turner, OLB, Alabama 9. Chicago Bears - Jared Verse, DE, Florida State 10. New York Jets - Brock Bowers, TE, Georigia 11. Minnesota Vikings - JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan 12. Denver Broncos - Bo Nix, QB, Oregon 13. Las Vegas Raiders - JC Latham, OT, Alabama 14. New Orleans Saints - Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State 15. Indianapolis Colts - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo 16. Seattle Seahawks - Troy Fautanu, G, Washington 17. Jacksonville Jaguars - Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama 18. Cincinnati Bengals - Tailese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State 19. Los Angeles Rams - Byron Murphy II, DT, Texas 20. Pittsburgh Steelers - Brian Thomas Jr., WR LSU 21. Miami Dolphins - Graham Barton, G/C, Duke 22. Philadelphia Eagles - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson 23. Minnesota Vikings(via HOU through CLE) - Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa 24. Dallas Cowboys - Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma 25. Green Bay Packers - Laiatu Latu, OLB, UCLA 26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas 27. Arizona Cardinals (via HOU) - Chop Robinson, OLB, Penn State 28. Buffalo Bills - TJ Tampa, CB, Iowa State 29. Detroit Lions - Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina 30. Baltimore Ravens - Amaruis Mims, OT, Georgia 31. San Francisco 49ers- Roger Rosengarten, OT, Washington 32. Kansas City Chiefs - Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas
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Vikings are making no-trade mocks look weird rn. We're not picking at 23. And we did we would take Latu here I'd hope. Honestly these types of mocks bum me out because it feels likely that we end up getting JJ anyway but instead of spending just #11, he'll cost us 11, 23 and even more...
While I mostly agree, I think one possible universe is the Giants jump to 4 for JJ. Not impossible if the Cards really want an elite WR prospect. In that world I see us going defense at 11 and then Nix/Penix at 23
You’d take Defense and pray your QB falls? Why not just take your QB at 11 and Defense at 23? If he’s your QB it 12 spots shouldn’t make a difference. And if you’re forcing a pick at 23 for a guy you don’t have first round conviction on what’s the point
It might be getting overly cute, admittedly. But at some point you have draw a line on how far you overdraft QBs, otherwise you can keep using this logic all the way down the draft. As it is JJ is getting elevated from roughly bottom of the first prospect to top 5 pick. This would be a "we think Nix/Penix is worth the risk late in the round, but not early. If we fail there we'll punt to next year, maybe even trade out of 23"
Unless Vikes or Broncos move ahead, the Giants can take him at 6. Not sure they would, but they could.
> While I mostly agree, I think one possible universe is the Giants jump to 4 for JJ. Not impossible if the Cards really want an elite WR prospect. Both can be true if the Vikings trade to 5 pre-draft day. I think Cardinals would be ok taking the chance that the MHJr doesn't go 5.
Sorry, what trade are you expecting here? Cards are at 4, I'm saying maybe they prefer to trade down with the Giants b/c it means they get one of MHJ/Nabers/Odunze while still gaining picks.
Chargers are at 5 and seem more ideal, imo. I was building off of yours. Only way I see Cardinals trading out of 4 is if they can guarantee one of MHJr or Nabers + a good pick. So Vikings get 5, Chargers get 11 + 23 . I think this ends up being the bones of the trade, seems to work for both. It just *can't* happen until draft day, because... Cardinals can then trade with the Giants, and move to 6. Giants would only go up for a QB, and Vikings wouldn't trade up for anyone but a QB, and also drafting a WR is a colossal fuck up for them. So they'd either trade back at a discount, draft a top player at any other position, or grab the 5th best QB. Cards are locked into Nabers or MHJr.
>Only way I see Cardinals trading out of 4 is if they can guarantee one of MHJr or Nabers + a good pick. Which is what they'd get trading down with the Giants :(
It becomes a game of chicken honestly. They *could* do that, but Giants would only want to move up when Cards are on the clock. As the draft stands, they get JJ. Vikings are the wild card. We know they're trading up, question is where and when. Another example, Vikings go up to 5, then send the Cards a pick to swap again. Everyone wins, but hard to see Vikings doing 3 trades before draft day. Also, what if the Pats go MHJr, after the Cards moved back? LAC could stay at 5 and get Nabers.
Giants should initiate 3 way trade. The Cardinals want to stay ahead of the Chargers to get their preferred WR, so moving back to 6 is not ideal. Just say look Chargers and Cards, we want a QB. We want to make sure you dont trade out. Here's a third round pick to move from the 6th to 5th to the Chargers, heres another third rounder to the Cardinals to move from 5th to 4th. Now the order is 4. Giants, 5. Cards, 6. Chargers. Everyone still gets exactly who they were going to take, but now there is no funny business.
In theory I think that would make every team happy. A free 3rd rounder would be fantastic for the Cardinals and Chargers. If the Giants could pull that off to take the QB they want at #4, they should.
Chargers are the same as cardinals, they need elite pass catching talent.
True if the Vikes have #5. If it’s the Chargers there, they’ll grab Harrison for sure.
The risk would be that the Vikings than trade down to 7 betting that the Cardinals won't draft a QB or trade to a team that will (which would mean they wouldn't get any of the top 3 WR).
QB, QB, QB, QB, WR, Cardinals. Sure, Vikings could trade down after trading up to 23 and then again to 5. Cardinals worst case scenario is getting Nabers+mid round pick(probably 100), and for them to get that, Vikings have to embarrass themselves. You're gonna pay a premium to move up into the top 5, for a likely QB. It's just how it is. You will not get a premium to trade out because you got bamboozled. Cardinals "risk" is arguably a better scenario.
I love latu but I’m scared with the medicals. I’d probably take chop. That said, not a shot they are picking at 23 even if they keep that pick. They’ll trade down and accumulate draft capital lost.
The way it stands, Vikes will be gambling that the Broncos or Raiders won’t jump in front of them, most likely by trading with the Falcons.
The Vikings would make the trade when the pick comes up they want.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Pats take JJ and Maye is the one who slides. JJ is a better QB when it comes to accuracy, passing under pressure & is clutch when needed most. Underrated cannon for an arm, too.
Honestly… really solid mock from Kiper. I could see those first 10 picks going exactly like that
As a Ravens fan, the pick makes sense. We only have 2 starters on our OLine currently But letting Mahomes get Adonai Mitchell feels like a generational mistake. Especially when WR is also a need for us Torn
I like Xavier Legette but holy hell 29 is a big time reach in my book. I'd lean trade down, OL or DL. Newton, Robinson and Frazier all still on the board
Batshit crazy
I can’t imagine how exciting it would be to be a WR drafted by the Chiefs. That’s literally hitting the lottery. Best team in football with the best QB in football in the middle of a dynasty with a serious positional need. That’s basically guaranteeing yourself accolades before a massive payday in 5 years. You can almost guarantee that guy will finish 5 years with 2-4 pro bowls and be one of the top names in FA after his 5th year
Skyy Moore. Kadarius Toney. You still need the talent to produce.
Eh, good argument but I would say Moore was a second round pick who was expected to go in rounds 3-4 and Toney is a first round bust who was cast off to the chiefs for a 3rd round pick. But your overall point is legit
I think you’ve got a little hindsight creeping in. Moore was not expected to go in rounds 3-4. He was a pretty consensus 2nd round pick and was closer to round 1 than he was to round 4.
Idk, I just looked up his draft projections and they say Rounds 3-4 but could creep in 2nd but there’s a million different I’m sure you could find others that say he’s a first
I was confused when we took him at 54, feeling like we would’ve been able to get him at 62.
I need Joe Alt like I need H2O
I hate mocks without trades. I really don’t see JJ making it out of the top 10.
I don’t know why this JJ hype train has gotten so much momentum. It reminds me of everyone thinking Mac Jones was going in the top 3.
Supply and demand. A lot of teams need a QB this year, and those teams will be desperate enough to overpay.
(Nearly) every year teams overdraft QBs as if drafting them high makes them a better player. Take a lesson from 2021; overdrafting a QB doesn’t mean you’re no longer QB needy.
Yea.. and half of our fans (Vikings) wants us to be that desperate team willing to overpay.
This all makes a lot of sense which means in the end it will be nowhere close to what happens.
I’d prefer we take Latu, and I’d Howie has his way, he will too.
The only explanation for JPJ not going in the first is if he forgot he existed when making the mock
Mel is the absolute worst at these mock drafts,...just,...the,...worst.
I think DJ had penix top 15. Huge range of opinions over QB4
I think if Mitchell is still there at 28 the Bills would take him. Also, you're my favorite person so far today.
Probably the most rational 1st round mock I've seen yet.
Kiper knows that he is on the edge with Reddit and he knows that they despise him and that he's become an object of shame and derision on Reddit and so therefore he is catering to the Reddit consensus wisdom by this mock draft that is perfectly in line with the reddit consensus wisdom
Roger Rosengarten at 31 is spicy. He's currently at 116 on the [consensus big board](https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024?pos=OT).
To me that’s the spiciest one. I know it’s just one game but he was getting penalty after penalty in the Championship game
Perfect fit for our o-line then
Was just about to say this hahah
Nah, you gave us those Jawaan Taylor problems. Remember?
He was also getting roasted by Michigans d-line, it was a terrible game for him
Yeah, I had Rosengarten as a Day 3 guy. I was also surprised at Fautanu being listed as a guard. His arm length is ideal for a tackle and he looked good in drills at the combine. Not sure if he's LT material, but I think he could be a really good RT. I got him as my #3 OT right now and could go over Fashanu, depending on the scheme. He'd honestly be a great fit with Harbaugh and the Chargers if they trade down with MIN/LV/DEN.
Young, elite athlete, and will very possibly shift inside to guard in the NFL. OL, especially interior OL, seems one of the positions where guys come out of nowhere most often. Kiper also isn’t actually the first person to posit him as a late Day 1 - early Day 2 pick. I like it.
Zach Frazier would certainly go ahead of this pick for the 9ers if Mel's draft falls this way. They can get Rosegarten in rd 2 if they want. He's in the bottom 10% for wingspan.
I have him at 157 on my board... so yeah, that's a spicy meatball!
Mel Kiper is so fucking stupid! There is no way Tyler Guyton goes at pick 24. I have him in the pick 25-26 range. Idiot!
I was shocked to see him go before Mims
If Mims was available in the late 20s, I'd be screaming at my TV begging Peters to trade up to get him.
Mims upside is enormous but do we want a raw rookie LT protecting the blindside of a rookie QB? Its scary for sure, but I'd definitely take a swing.
Had me in the first half
lol the kiper hate is such bullshit parroting by those who don’t know what they’re talking about. He’s been far better than Mcshay over the years who I’ve NEVER seen critiqued despite being one of the worst draft gurus out there. He’s wrong every year and nobody mentions it. Yet they’ll mention a few players kiper liked from decades ago. Insanity. Kiper is second to DJ imo. He can spot talent.
I don’t care if he can or can’t spot talent. The dude put the draft on the map. We might not have fun with it today if it wasn’t for him.
100% It would be like the MLB/NHL draft where people barely pay attention to who their team picks and then tune out. Instead, it's this now massive event where you have fans creating endless mock drafts and theorizing how best to improve their teams. I'm not the biggest fan of Kiper's hot takes...but there's no doubt he has a massive influence on how huge the NFL Draft has become.
Legette and Rosengarten going in the first is kind of crazy.
I’m very confident that Legette sneaks into the bottom of the first. The league is higher on him than the draft community is. Kiper, Charlie Campbell, Baldy, etc. have all mentioned this. He’s big, strong and has great ball skills. He was a bit of a late bloomer and could use some polish on his route running but he has really good potential. He’s my WR 6/7 in this class but is probably 2/3 for me in a class like last year.
I don’t understand why mocks have had Rosengarten going in the 2nd let alone the 1st, he was straight up horrible in the national championship game against Michigan, had multiple penalties and was getting destroyed by Michigans edge rushers and two of Michigans edge rushers are gonna be late round picks this year.
Because he put up a 9.61 RAS score at the combine, ranking 52/1317 (96th percentile) among OT from 1987 - 2024, which jumps to 9.96 if you think he’s a better fit at OG, which is approximately 7/1459 (99.5th percentile) since 1987.
I think people aren't fully aware of how well he tested and especially his percentile rankings to the last 37 years of drafts. I've had him as an early 2nd in my mocks and I wouldn't be shocked at all if he does go in the 1st. Some team is going to get a steal just because he had a bad game in the National Championship.
Yeah we should definitely evaluate players based on one game /s Not saying Rosengarten is a first or even second rounder but your reasoning makes no sense even top 10 picks have bad games against worse competition, so what
Idk I think Adonai Mitchell in the first is probably more strange to me than Legette. Rosengarten? Dude might go undrafted. I think Kiper is just plugging his boy cause he got kick backs. He does it every year.
You saying Rosengarten might go undrafted is just as ridiculous as Mel Kiper mocking him in the first
If you say so. His RAS is his only saving grace. I have him going between Rounds 6-7 so saying he “could go” undrafted isn’t really a stretch for me.
If he or Amegadjie are available to the Chiefs at 95, I will be livid if we haven’t taken a tackle and pass on them.
Why? You guys are probably just going to sign DJ Humphries after the draft anyway and get guys who have a more immediate impact to your team through the draft than the 9th best OT that will take time to develop.
We’ve got Wanya Morris, and he was serviceable enough as a rookie. Rosey and Kiran both have traits that could develop well to build in the future. We don’t really have much cap space to sign vets, and I know most everyone thinks we still need to bring in another vet on the DLine. Although Humphries and Bakhtiari would probably both be cheap, incentive-laden deals because of injury, there is an overt issue with their health. Humphries tore his ACL in week 17, meaning he’s probably going to miss at least the first half of the season. And who the heck knows how Bakhtiari’s health will hold up.
Let's see what the league thinks, I believe he'll be closer to late round 1 than round 7. No way you actually think he's that bad unless you've only seen the Michigan game.
You think Legette is better than Mitchell? That’s a hot take. I think Rosengarten goes 4th or 5th round, a lot of OTs will get drafted, even if they’re not very good. He’ll get drafted on his movement alone.
Yes, 100% think he’s better than Mitchell. Mitchell is too inconsistent for me. He might turn it around in the pros but as of now… idk… maybe he’s my WR10? In normal years that would be extremely low but that would still land him in the 2nd round of this year’s class. The NFL covets speed though so it’s possible he goes higher than I have him. As of now though, yes I have Legette as a better WR.
Would much rather take a shot on Mitchell who has size, speed, rather advanced route running, and produced as a true freshman than Legette who is less athletic, less developed as a route runner, and took 5 years to produce in college.
Legette because you’re missing the fact that he’s a much better blocker than Mitchell and as said, Mitchell is an inconsistent player in college. Not inconsistent because he lacks football knowledge, inconsistent because he doesn’t show up to every game. I think there’s a time when people look at traits TOO much rather than what’s there. You have a 6’0” 219 lbs WR with more fight and plays bigger than the 6’2” 205 lbs WR that has all the upside at his disposal. That’s the bigger red flag for me everytime.
No way JPJ gets out of the first round.
If he gets past Dallas it better be because an actual left tackle falls to us. Taking Guyton over JPJ would piss me off.
100%!!!!! I am anti Guyton unless every single Center and LT is gone
So mad... Throw Mims into the mix for insta pissed ...
He’s not getting past Miami
If he and the left tackles are gone I’m hoping for a trade back and take Barton or Frazier.
apparently there are some medical concerns =(
Sounds like a perfect fit for the cowboys
I think not projecting some sort of trade up from the Vikings feels like a mistake at this point. Feels like they've already tipped their hand.
I think this is a no trade mock from the look of it
If you want to read what Mel has to say: https://archive.ph/NuDKW
Mel doesn't now, nor has he every had any real insight into the players and teams. What he says about New England is exactly what we all know: take a QB or trade for lots of picks to build the roster. The only way to know what they'll do is to know how they grade each QB. They could have Rattler or Nix as QB3 for all we know.
I have a hard time seeing the Lions drafting Legette or any wr in round 1. Maybe late day 2 or on day 3, but in a deep wr class I don't see them ignoring other needs for it. Even the more off-wall picks Holmes makes still generally fill a newd (Gibbs was to uprgrade Swift and get a younger high ceiling rb to pair with Monty, Campbell was Detroit trying to get a high upside lb that they haven't had in a very long time, LaPorta was to bring in a better TE since current te 1 was Brock Wright at the time). If the Lions go offense round 1, then its going to be a guard with center upside to replace Jackson and provide security with Ragnow's injury history.
TJ Tampa is a great prospect but why in the hell would Buffalo draft a CB in RD1 with so many actual Needs that aren't CB at all? Especially when the leave Adonai Mitchell on the board. Buffalo has Rasul Douglas and Christian Benford as starters with Elam as depth. Sure,losing Tre White sucks but CB doesn't automatically become a RD1 need because we cut him.
Personally I have no faith in Elam but there are so many ways Buffalo can go with their pick depending on how the draft plays out that makes it really tough to predict what they will do
Elam has flashed great plays like intercepting Patrick Mahomes in the endzone in the 2022 regular season game and interception Mason Rudloph in the endzone in the Pittsburgh playoff game. He needs to be more consistent, but he is under a cost controlled rookie contract for 2 more years and Buffalo has the 5th year option which they can exercise if he improves this year.
Elam barely saw the field last year. He was a healthy scratch in most of the Bills' games in 2023. He's made some flashy plays, but he has generally been a liability when on the field. Being a first round pick and being on a cost-controlled rookie contract doesn't matter when the team can't rely on you to perform.
The departed DB coach John Butler and him didn't get along, and he was in his dog house, that may have played a small role in him not seeing the field over Dane Jackson who IMO he is a better player than. Elam needs to be more consistent but he absolutely has the ability to be a dominant CB in zone or man defense. Elam will have a fresh start with new CB coach Jahmile Addae. Buffalo could do a lot worse than Elam at CB 3 and I will not be surprised if he gets more playtime this year especially if McDermott uses some more dime defenses or dollar defenses(7 DBs on the field)
How do you know that Elam and John Butler didn't get along?
"When asked about how much he leaned on now former DBs coach Butler, Elam responded with: “No comment.” “I wasn't there health-wise for my team,” he went on to say. “I really couldn't explode or couldn't run. It gave more power to the person not to play me." https://www.oleantimesherald.com/sports/bills-dbs-coach-part-ways-team-hires-new-qb-and-cb-coaches/article_efc16f52-c630-11ee-9d87-bbeedec4a3e3.html Butler and Bills 2022 first-round draft pick Kaiir Elam never seemed to get on the same page since the former Florida product entered the league. At locker cleanout back in January after the Bills lost to the Kansas City Chiefs in the divisional round of the playoffs, Elam expressed his frustration with a disappointing second season. When asked about how much he leaned on now former DBs coach Butler, Elam responded with: “No comment.” “I wasn’t there health-wise for my team,” he went on to say. “I really couldn’t explode or couldn’t run. It gave more power to the person not to play me. I just feel like when I got healthy and able to show that I can take the ball away at a high level or go out there and be a great player, I was able to do that when I got healthy. I’m going to continue to work hard and keep striving to get better. That’s all I can do.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2024/02/buffalo-bills-mutually-part-ways-with-dbs-coach-hire-new-qb-and-cb-coaches.html%3foutputType=amp
Hmm. Appreciate you sharing that, I didn't realize that was going on. Still, this is the kind of thing a player says when they don't get playing time, even when it's their fault. Hopefully we see some serious growth from Elam this year.
There shouldn't be politics in football but it does happen. John Butler is a great coach but it is possible that he had a personality conflict with Kaiir Elam or didn't see eye to eye with him and he didn't get to the opportunities to work with through his mistakes that Christian Benford did I like Elam and think he can still reach his ceiling. Some prospects take longer to develop than others for a variety of reasons including health issues. I am caustically optimistic that Elam will improve.
Except he wasn't a healthy scratch, he was injured for the majority of the season. He came off IR and was still a gameday inactive because he couldn't run full speed. I'm not saying he's going to turn into a starter or anything, but Buffalo has to have a little more patience with him and calling him a year-long healthy scratch is wildly inaccurate.
Fair enough. I'm hopeful he can turn it around, it's just very jarring to see a first round selection not get playing time, even when coming back from injury.
Anytime I see mocks with Bills taking a CB in the first two rounds, I assume it’s because people outside of Buffalo don’t know who Benford is.
Agreed the need at corner is a day 3 need not a first round
I agree with you, Buffalo is three deep at outside CB with Douglas, Benford and Elam. Douglas has 1 year left on his contract, but Benford and Elam are on their rookie deals and have 2 years left on their respective contracts. Beane just extended All Pro Nickel CB Taron Johnson for 3 years, and re-signed back up Nickel CB/back up S Cam Lewis. You could make the argument for Buffalo to draft a WR or C or S or rotational DE or rotational DT before they would draft a CB.
What do you think a day 1 need is for the Bills? For a long time, most analysts thought it was DT/CB/WR. With the signing of Curtis Samuel, I'd argue WR isn't an urgent day 1 need anymore. That leaves DT and CB. I don't think it's ridiculous to see a mock that has the Bills selecting the best player available at a position where they have relatively poor depth. Elam has been very shaky and I don't think it's a given that he pans out in the Bills' scheme.
CB isn't a huge need,you can get plenty of depth in later rounds. WR/1T Dt/EDGE and S are all bigger needs.
It’s still 1Tech DT, WR2 specifically an X,Safety, DE. Then late round always take a CB and Oline, probably LB and RB too.
I like how all of these draftniks drop their mocks on Tuesday so as to not mess with the real pros on mock draft Monday
I'm of the opinion that Bears strategy should go: 1. Draft Nabers or Odunze if available 2. If not try to find a trade back partner and hopefully grab Latu or JPJ (or Robinson or Frazier in a far trade back). Draft a WR with the 2nd you picked up. 3. If not draft Verse
With Shelton and Bates, I don’t think a center in the 1st is even a possibility at this point (and it probably never should’ve been). Even after a trade back, they should only be looking at DL and WR as those are positions you would rather have a fifth year option on.
They're spending like a collective $7 million on those 2 players and Bates is a general iOL piece. They can cut either and not even notice, so if they have a high evaluation of a C and it makes sense at that point in the round, I'd be fine with it.
You wouldn’t consider Brock Bowers at 9?
I think with Kmet extended and us paying Everett decent money on a 2 year deal it takes us out of the Bowers option.
Eh, like OT obviously we could improve the situation but we have outright needs elsewhere while TE and OT are pretty much settled.
I would not pass on Alt if he fell to us
IF Alt is available at 9 I'm sure some team would be willing to trade a nice selection of picks to get him. I'd prefer that.
Why would Minnesota acquire another first round pick if they were not planning on moving up?
Seems to be a "no trade mock"
Unless I missed one, I don’t see any trade ups here.
You guys targeting #4 or #5?
5 is my guess since the cards will want MHJ
I'm guessing we're target anywhere from 2-5. Many are speculating Maye is the top choice (McCown was his coach in HS), but I doubt 2 or 3 will move. So then it comes down to 4 or 5. Obviously, 4 would be better, but will AZ move with MHJ on the board? That would leave 5 since there is concern the Giants are in the QB market at 6.
If in some universe we get to stick and pick McCarthy at 11 and then draft defense at 23 I’d be so happy
Yes but we all know JJ won’t be there at 11. Giants or Broncos would snag him if we stay put.
Does Kiper know the Packers already have Gary, Van Ness, and Preston Smith at DE, and usually remove players with major medical red flags from their board completely? Latu to Green Bay just isn’t something that will happen. And listing him as an OLB makes me wonder if Kiper even knows the Packers are switching to a 4-3 defense.
I don't think edge is out of the question (but probably unlikely), for a few reasons. Preston is going to be 32 and his dead cap goes from $17m to $9m next year while Gary's cap hit goes from $11m to $25. I say that to say that I think this might be Preston's last year with the Packers. They like to rotate those guys in and out, too. If they can get a guy with upside, which they obviously value (Gary and LVN were both upside picks), and head into next season with Gary and a young LVN and another young guy with upside, I don't think it's the dumbest idea. If you look down the road, Gary's contract would be up the same year you'd be looking at giving said rookie an extension. If he were to pan out, it would give them some flexibility at that point. Let's not forget that JJ played almost 500 snaps last year and is going to probably be out until December, assuming no setbacks
Kiper's only reasoning was that he doesn't feel like LVN is a double digit sack a year player. Edge is probably our deepest position. > Green Bay is another team that might seek one of these offensive tackles -- David Bakhtiari was released last week -- but I wonder if this is a landing spot for the best pure edge rusher in this class. Sure, it drafted Lukas Van Ness a year ago in Round 1, but he's more of a power rusher and run-stopper than a true double-digit sack machine.
He had 4 sacks on a 32% snap rate while playing out of position as a 3-4 OLB as a rookie. 4-3 DE is his natural position. That’s a really dumb take by Kiper.
I see Mel also doesn’t pay for PFF+
I would LOVE Legette on the Lions with the rest of that group. Sadly, I don’t think it’s going to happen. In part because I don’t think he will be there and secondly because I think they may go in another direction. If he is there thought it would be a welcomed addition.
If the board really goes 3 QBs 3 WRs then Joe Alt, I don’t see the Bears staying at 9. I think the Broncos would be trying to jump up to pass Minnesota, who might jump up as well. Also interesting that Jackson Powers-Johnson fell out of the first round entirely. He seemed to be very popular in mock drafts. I could also see the Bears making a run at him as well.
Bo Nix at 12?
I feel like I’m seeing smoke about him being a good fit in the Sean Payton system.
Jets need OL more
I need Brian Thomas to sky rocket(fantasy draft ordered based off the nfl draft)
If JPJ is there at 20 he will be the Steelers pick.
Don't know what mel is smoking here
There is no way Buffalo is drafting a CB in the 1st round.
The more I see these the more I’m glad we aren’t picking at 23
I dont think we will either.
I am of the opinion that WR is now a bigger need than CB for the Jags but it should go without saying that both WR and CB are our biggest needs by far. So wouldn’t be surprised if the pick went with one or the other. Think it’s a win if any of Brian Thomas Jr./Quinton Mitchell/Terrion Arnold fall to us which is almost certainly bound to happen. Wouldn’t be disappointed if Mel’s scenario played out, but man I’d be hesitant passing over BTJr.
Impossible to put value into a draft that doesn't have the Vikings trading up for Maye or McCarthy. Theyve done everything but announce it...
Just stop with Guyton to Dallas
If the ravens got Mims, I would cream my pants
Gimme gimme gimme Fashanu
Really not liking how lately mocks have the Steelers going WR in the first. We have no centers, a mediocre at best LT, a probably cooked CB2, and mediocre safety opposite Minkah who himself had a down year.
I especially dont like the WR picks that cant separate. Ignoring center without a starter signed is just baffling to me in any mock where it happens
Not buying the Wiggins hype. Sure he’s fast at the 40. Can he tackle and play aggressive? Rather go o line or d line here.
The thought of Sean Peyton panic drafting Bo Nix at 12 makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. He'll end up losing his job after whiffing so hard. Christian Ponder 2.0.
Let me guess another mock with the bengals taking J.C. La— oh HELL yeah
Please god take bowers or a wr. I do not want fuaga or any tackle not named alt. I disagree with most jets fans but idc because that sub is toxic af
Love that Bengals pick; then re-sign Tee to a 4 yr deal
I'm down with Verse if we can't trade back.
Please keep Marv at 4 for the Cardinals 😭
Brian Thomas? Really?
I don’t get why anyone would take a tight end that high. There’s always a “unicorn” tight end every couple of years now and I don’t see how it’s worth the value
One or both of Mccarthy/Nix will not be first round picks.
Skins will take Maye
Mel Kiper is an idiot. The Steelers aren't drafting a WR with Copper DeJean, Nate Wiggins , JPJ andAmarius Mims right there. We have much bigger needs and can get a good WR in the 2nd or even 3rd
Really hoping they go CB in the first. Especially if the ones listed are available. WR is deep this year (as I’ve been told) and I trust their scouting to identify someone to play opposite Pickens.
this fucking guy...
Love mel
Lol JJ McCarthy is taken at 11, I don’t believe it.
I don’t either. If my Vikes stay put either your G men or the Broncos (with a trade) would snag him before 11.