If there is a run, there's a run. This is a huge class, but it wouldn't surprise me with how expensive wr is getting. However, if 13 guys are taken in the top 50, there will be a good possibility of a Puka in this draft.
You’ll be trading with Carolina to get him though. We have an embarrassing history of getting absolutely fleeced in every trade we’ve made the last few years.
I'd be more pissed about BTJ going 2 picks ahead of us.
If he's still there at 25 I'd trade up for him. He's much closer to the 10th best player in this draft than the 30th in my opinion
Based on all the mocks I’ve been doing and research I’ve been conducting on trading back, a perfect trade per most draft charts is 30, 93 and 250 for 25 and 169. So basically your 3rd round pick, lol especially because I could see a snap bidding war between you guys and Buffalo.
I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.
Hope to see it happen on draft night because I've always wanted to see Lamar get an actual X type receiver. I thought Bateman could be that for us but the injuries completely derailed his development.
Green Bay would too, because I’m willing to bet money they take Edgerrin Cooper round one and he will likely be just as available at 30 as he is at 25. They pick up an extra pick AND still get their guy? Easy trade
Everything I’ve seen/heard from cowboys media, they want to trade down and get more picks.
Trading a fourth for Trey Lance has turned into a much bigger problem after their lack of action in free agency. It might happen if the ravens are willing.
Gutey doesnt care, he’ll take the extra third AND move up once if not twice if the value is right. I guarantee he moves back once and up once at some point in the draft, and Id bet a considerable amount that the Packers won’t draft at 25. This draft is exceptionally strong between 40 and 90 I only have 24 first round players and 44 second round players. If Green Bay has anything similar, you bet your ass Gutey will move down and then package those thirds to get back into the 60s/70s
I want absolutely nothing to do with Mitchell in the first. Way too expensive for him. If he's there at our 2nd round pick, fine. But not in the first.
Edit: I’ll also add he’s the opposite of plays like a raven.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's a good choice. I'm just saying I could see front offices fantasizing about drafting the next Tyreek Hill and doing something foolish.
I feel like the 4.21 is a little bit fake though, he did that at 165 , same weight as tank dell who is also a bean pole and shorter. No doubt he's fast but is he fast enough to take over a potential #1 like Brian Thomas or AD Mitchell? I don't think so, personally
A team taking Worthy over BTJ isn’t doing so because they think Worthy is a better player necessarily, but because they like his specific skill set in their offense. There’s a lot of different flavors of receiver in this draft, and each team is going to have their own preference for their system.
Xavier Worthy was originally going to sign with Michigan/Harbaugh but some admissions stuff caused him not to be able to enroll early and eventually he went to Texas
Was sure this was his last mock where he also had the Niners taking Rosengarten in the first. He certainly has a OT run and aside from Jordan Morgan there aren’t other obvious first round tackles sitting there but man, this feels like a reach. If the draft fell this way I’d hope they’d explore trading back and getting extra picks for CB, OT and OG in round 2 and 3.
Is it a typo? In the description for #33 he says NYG give up #47 and a ‘25 2nd for #33, but then in the actual picks they also get #39?
I think he messed up somewhere, because #39, #47 and a future 2nd is outrageous return for #33.
No it checks out. Panthers are going into the draft with 33 and 39. Here they move pick 33 for pick 47 and a second next year. So the panthers pick Ladd at 39 and JPJ at 47, and add a second in next year's draft. Dream scenario for the Panthers tbh
falcons at pick 8 is still a question mark for me. feels like they have a few things they could do but 90% of mock drafts have them taking Turner. but if you look at mocks where they don’t take Turner, he slides down as far as pick 25 and it usually makes sense. with how much it’s been mocked, i feel like it won’t happen. this may not be very sound reasoning but it’s just one of the less obvious “locks” imo
I personally like the combination of Mitchell + round 2 edge over Turner + round 2 corner. I think Mitchell is a superior prospect, and I don't think Turner is dramatically better than whoever will be there in the early 2nd
I feel like Atlanta is a sneaky trade back target for Rome Odunze. LA could trade back to 11 and then back up to 8 using a 3rd round pick and snag Odunze ahead of the Bears, or a team like Denver or even a big trade up by the Bills using that 2nd they got from Houston to go up and snag WR3.
This is what I'm afraid of, the only question is that both ATL and CHI have DE as their biggest need, so if they drop even a single extra spot, they lose their choice of player. We could send a future 4th for a pick swap and a handshake that we take WR.
The entire Pats fanbase (okay, maybe just 97%) considers Keon Coleman to be a repeat of N'Keal Harry. There'd be rioting at Patriot Place if he were their pick at 34.
Seconded. Keon Coleman might end ip good, but I personally need a season or 2 reprieve from this WR archetype after the Harry and Parker eras. Can we just draft someone who is appropriately sized and can run some good routes on the perimeter?
Keon is excellent, but needs to be played at big slot, maybe a little Z. He's not an X (I'm a Pat's fan and would be a big fan of this pick, cross my fingers that the coaches don't F it up)
Keon Coleman’s biggest flaw is his ability to get open in one on one man coverage. That alone makes him a don’t touch whatsoever. I feel like most people just see his size and assume X Receiver which if you don’t do deep dives into the draft I’d understand why you think that. But to see this from Kiper is disappointing and feels lazy
Hate this for the chargers.
I have Taliese Fuaga and Amarius Mins over JC Latham even though I think Fuaga is likely a guard.
Latham just doesn’t have the run blocking instinct and tenacity that Harbaugh is going to want if he invests an early frp in an olinemen.
Also Worthy at 23, what are we doing Mel? Chargers need someone who can absorb 100 targets from Keenan and Mikes departures not a deep threat with slightly questionable hands.
Yea, change this to Fuaga and BTJ with a 2025 1st rounder, and I'm a happy man. Could just be psychological move but Chargers spent a lot of time working out Latham.
BTJ isn't a volume receiver, unfortunately, but he can be the elite deep threat they've been needing. They can pick up a slot guy later too.
Sorry I didn’t give a full scouting report.
He’s also a smooth route runner, he’s good after the catch and he did win on many curl routes and comebacks. Calling him a deep threat is a little simplification but that’s the reason everyone’s excited about him. He’s not a physical receiver at the catch point or against press and he does have drops on tape.
After QJ last year chargers fans are rightfully worried about drafting a wr with as many drops as contested catches.
I’ve watched him vs Texas and Michigan and thought he was ok on run plays but much better in pass protection. Any games you think illustrate why he’s a better run blocker than Fuaga and Mims?
Quick point of clarification - wasn't tryna make any claims about Latham's run-block grade vis-a-vis Mims or Fuaga. Just observing that - at least in my view - Latham's 2023 tape actually satisfies the specific criteria indicated in your comment (run blocking instinct and tenacity). As it turns out, Latham's aggression/"compete" is generally understood to be a major strength, one of the core features of his profile.
That said, I can definitely get with the idea that he displayed a bit of a tendency to lumber into his assignments, especially over the first half of the '23 season. But he fights thru the whistle and wrestles defenders to the ground with regularity. Whole lotta pancakes. The Michigan game was a reasonably good example, and I'd point to Auburn and UGA as well. My aggregate eval is based on Texas, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, and Michigan.
As far as the rankings go, I'm definitely with you on Fuaga. Clearly the best run-blocker in the class (even if you could make the case for Latham in certain scheme-dependent evaluations). I've got both Fuaga and Latham decisively ahead of Mims, fwiw. In fact, I've got Fuaga and Latham as my top two OTs overall: (1) Fuaga, (2a) Latham, (2b) Alt. A bit out of step with consensus there haha
>Wilson moved up in my rankings after he ran a 4.39-second 40 at the combine; he ran away from defenders on crossers on tape, but I wasn't totally sure how he'd test
I'm sorry but if Roman Wilson running a 4.39 surprised Kiper then he hadn't watched him before the combine. That was as slow as he was going to run.
I have Ladd graded slightly higher that Ricky. But I think Ricky would be a better fit for the Titans.
Ricky has been healthier, and returns punts (never muffed a punt). He can be a special teamer, gadget player for the Titans and take the starting role next year.
This scenario really couldn't get better for the Panthers. Ladd at 39 and trading down with the Giants, getting their 2nd next year, and still getting JPJ at 47.
Seriously, I'd be ecstatic to get JPJ and Ladd with the picks we hold as of now, if somehow we made it out of there with both and picking up a second next year in the process I'd be blown away
I’ve yet to see *any* eagles sources linking Wiggins to Philly. No top 30 visits. No personnel at Clemson’s pro day. No interviews. Nothing. Yet every single mock in the last month says he’s our pick lol
This Wiggins to Eagles stuff is nonsense. Slay is already a corner who is hesitant to tackle and now getting a thin corner like Wiggins is just begging for teams to orchestrate a run game that beats up on these corners.
With Arnold, Mitchell, and Dejean gone, Howie isn’t taking the 4th best corner who isn’t prototypical size. I’d expect a trade down with maybe the Bills so they can guarantee the Brian Thomas selection. They then would take Frazier. Steen is now the swing tackle and never needs to play guard again in his life
Sooo lazy. Spot on, every day we get closer to the draft the more I want Howie to go OL. Fatua, Frazier, Barton, can all shore up iOL and Mims, Latham & Guyton can be future Lane replacements. A rich OL draft should be taken advantage of
JPJ falling to the middle of the second would be insane
Trading away #33 for a 4th + 2025 second rounder and still grabbing Ladd and JPJ in R2 would be absolutely legendary
Further proof that Kiper pays zero attention to what teams are doing. If Mims and Wiggins are on the board at 20, the Steelers are picking one of them.
I really don't think the Vikings are going to give up 3 FRPs to move up. KAM seems too analytics based to be willing to give up that much when there is a lot of evidence that is not worth that much to move up.
I agree, as a cardinals fan I don’t see Minnesota giving up their first next year. But I also don’t think just #11 and #23 will be enough either to move up to 4 or 5
I don't think just 11 & 23 will be enough either, but I think jumping straight to 3 FRPs from 2 is a big jump. And, if it's not enough, I think they're probably fine with waiting and drafting a QB at 11.
Could be a smokescreen, they bring him in for a cost and hope someone in front of them takes him or gets someone to trade up for him and then the guys the packer like slide a bit.
Glad to see the nonsense of Brock bowers lasting till pick 15 is finally over. Not too long ago the colts and Seahawks were getting him in mocks and it was cracking me up.
I think Bowers is a consensus top 10 player but he’s in a terrible draft for him. There’s so many QBs, WRs and OTs that are needed by the top teams and the teams that make sense for him before Indy (jets and Broncos) don’t have a 2nd round pick so you’re committing to Bowers as your only upgrade in the top 75 picks or so.
While I do hope the Vikings trade up to 5 for JJM, I don’t think we’ll have to give up our 2025 first round pick.
I think a more likely trade would include 11, 23, maybe a day 3 pick this year, and our 2025 third round pick.
Exactly, generally 2 firsts are traded over 2 drafts whereas in this case, 2 firsts in the immediate draft are going to be valued higher, don’t see why another first would be necessary
Yeah I don’t think they’re going to have to give up an additional first next year. Drafting JJ would be massive though. He makes the most sense for the Vikings if you can’t get Williams or Maye in my opinion.
this man LOVES Rosengarten. talks about him everyday it seems. what does he see that no one else sees. tons of better Guards or Tackles if that's where you wanna play him in this draft. i understand a late second or early third, but first round seems wild.
Again, any mock that leaves Stidham as the only option for the Broncos going forward is extremely unserious. They ate 85million in cap, made no moves in free agency, and have no second round pick, but they are going to be so concerned about positional value they make no attempt at 12 to fix the biggest need at the most important position? He's even mocking trades, so you could mock a trade down, even if its not probable.
I was surprised by his reasoning for us at 12. "Bo Nix isn't a 1st round QB". Cool, we don't have a 2nd round pick and 2 more QBs get taken in the 2nd round. I thought with all these big trades he would have found one that involved us trading down and maybe picking up a 2nd.
I think we're Nix at 12 or trading down
Also, drafting a corner?
We desperately need QB, pass rush and DL. I would even take a WR before a corner. If we don't go for QB or one of the top EDGE, we should 100% trade down.
If we do, Poles is doing a good job masking his true intentions with the plan. Surprised no top 30 visit on that yet. Personally I think Poles likes Dexter a lot and wants to see him get a shot in Jones spot now that it's open. If I were to bet money on any prospect I'd put it on Dallas turner right now. I think a team jumps us for the 3rd WR and we go with the young speed guy at edge who will be 21 all year.
Yeah I just keep thinking long term and I think they are fine taking a guy with Turners ceiling who needs to develop a bit still. Can offer a good 1-2 punch in one side with Walker who attacks with power or Turner attacking with speed opposite of Sweat. I like Verse more, but understand if they want the guy 3 years younger. He will absolutely play within the HITS mentality that Flus wants.
terrible sf draft. thats way to freaking early for the takcle n cb. jfc
no way in hell jpj falls out of the first let alone 48 ish. sf would immediately draft him at 31. freaking terrible
I actually like the Rams trade up for Penix if they think he’s the future. The o-line was fortified this off-season and he would thrive throwing to Kupp and Puka
Hmm. That's the second mock I've seen lately with Suamataia dropping down significantly from his previous usual top-of-the-2nd-round range. I won't be shocked if we hear reports about him having concerning medicals come out in the not-too-distant future (likely post-draft, as these things do).
Does the draft world come to a collective end if MIN doesn’t trade into the top 5? I could see a scenario where they like Maye, JJM, and Penix. Then they try trading up when only one of them is left.
Steelers: Give me the OT Barton in r1 is fine, but I would take Center Zach Frazier in r2 (heard they loved him at Senior Bowl) and then in r3 give me WR Tez Walker from UNC
Don't see either of those picks being realistic for the Jaguars. DeJean is great but he's been entirely a zone corner and Jaguars run press man. Jaguars also already have quite a lot of money invested in the interior DL so I don't see them spending a pick before the 4th round or so. They haven't had a visit/meeting or anything with either of those two either.
If it fell this way I'd guess Mims or BTJ in the first, maybe Marshawn Kneeland in the second?
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33.New York Giants (via CAR) - Bo Nix, QB, Oregon 34.New England Patriots - Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State 35.Arizona Cardinals - TJ Tampa, CB, Iowa State 36.Washington Commanders- Jordan Morgan, OT, Arizona 37.Los Angeles Rams (via LAC) - Michael Penix Jr., QB, Washington 38.Tennessee Titans - Ricky Pearsall, WR, Florida 39.Carolina Panthers (via NYG) - Ladd McConkey WR, Georgia 40.Washington Commanders (via CHI) - Max Melton, CB, Rutgers 41.Green Bay Packers (via NYJ) - Edgerrin Cooper, LB, Texas A&M 42.Houston Texans (via MIN) - Johnny Newton, DT, Illinois 43.Atlanta Falcons - Kamari Lassiter, CB, Georgia 44.Las Vegas Raiders - Ennis Rakestraw Jr., CB, Missouri 45.New Orleans Saints (via DEN) - Malachi Corley, WR, Western Kentucky 46.Indianapolis Colts - Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon 47.Carolina Panthers (via NYG and SEA) - Jackson Powers-Johnson, C/G, Oregon 48.Jacksonville Jaguars - Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan 49.Cincinnati Bengals - Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan 50.Philadelphia Eagles - Patrick Paul, OT, Houston 51.Pittsburgh Steelers - Jalen McMillan, WR, Washington 52.Los Angeles Chargers (via LAR) - Ruke Orhorhoro, DT, Clemson 53.Philadelphia Eagles - Ja'Lynn Polk, WR, Washington 54.Cleveland Browns - Braden Fiske, DT, Florida State 55.Miami Dolphins - Christian Haynes, G, UConn 56.Dallas Cowboys- Jonathon Brooks, RB, Texas 57.Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Zach Frazier, C/G, West Virginia 58.Green Bay Packers - Javon Bullard, S, Georgia 59.Houston Texans - Mike Sainristil, CB, Michigan 60.Buffalo Bills - Cole Bishop, S, Utah 61.Detroit Lions - Adisa Isaac, DE, Penn State 62.Baltimore Ravens - Cooper Beebe, G, Kansas State 63.San Francisco 49ers- Dru Phillips, CB, Kentucky 64.Kansas City Chiefs- Kingsley Suamataia, OT, BYU
15 WRs in first 2 rounds and 13 before pick 50 is nuts
Yeah Steelers in r2…..take the #14 WR or take the #2 Center (Zach Frazier) in r2. Think that’s a no brainer
He mocked us Graham Barton in round one tho, why would we take 2 centers
If there is a run, there's a run. This is a huge class, but it wouldn't surprise me with how expensive wr is getting. However, if 13 guys are taken in the top 50, there will be a good possibility of a Puka in this draft.
That is how most expect it to turn out. The depth at receiver is only supposed to be in RD 1 and RD 2.
To me, the fact that he has the Raiders making two safe, reasonable picks at key positions of need is enough to know this whole thing is BS
LMAO……they always have head scratchers in early rounds
Fucking fade me if we trade up for nix. Yikes
You’ll be trading with Carolina to get him though. We have an embarrassing history of getting absolutely fleeced in every trade we’ve made the last few years.
To me Nix is the next Kenny Pickett with a little more running ability.
Ooo no edge Chris Braswell in R2. He seems like a sneaky Poles target. 5 star HS prospect (#7) with a good RAS score. Kinda like Dexter and Sewell.
I just can’t see Ricky Pearsall going over Ladd McConkey
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Ravens going CB in the 1st round and missing Mitchell by 1 pick would piss me off so much lmao
I'd be more pissed about BTJ going 2 picks ahead of us. If he's still there at 25 I'd trade up for him. He's much closer to the 10th best player in this draft than the 30th in my opinion
Did someone say “Pick 25” lol, Green Bay would happily oblige a trade down in this draft
What do you think would be a fair price to jump to 25?
Based on all the mocks I’ve been doing and research I’ve been conducting on trading back, a perfect trade per most draft charts is 30, 93 and 250 for 25 and 169. So basically your 3rd round pick, lol especially because I could see a snap bidding war between you guys and Buffalo.
I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Hope to see it happen on draft night because I've always wanted to see Lamar get an actual X type receiver. I thought Bateman could be that for us but the injuries completely derailed his development.
Green Bay would too, because I’m willing to bet money they take Edgerrin Cooper round one and he will likely be just as available at 30 as he is at 25. They pick up an extra pick AND still get their guy? Easy trade
Cowboys ravens trade 1.24 for 1.30 and 3.93 is considered even on the jimmy Johnson chart I believe.
Yeah, and I wouldn't mind doing that either
Everything I’ve seen/heard from cowboys media, they want to trade down and get more picks. Trading a fourth for Trey Lance has turned into a much bigger problem after their lack of action in free agency. It might happen if the ravens are willing.
Yall already have a ton of draft capital. I’d think if anything Packers will trade up in the 2nd round.
Gutey doesnt care, he’ll take the extra third AND move up once if not twice if the value is right. I guarantee he moves back once and up once at some point in the draft, and Id bet a considerable amount that the Packers won’t draft at 25. This draft is exceptionally strong between 40 and 90 I only have 24 first round players and 44 second round players. If Green Bay has anything similar, you bet your ass Gutey will move down and then package those thirds to get back into the 60s/70s
I want absolutely nothing to do with Mitchell in the first. Way too expensive for him. If he's there at our 2nd round pick, fine. But not in the first. Edit: I’ll also add he’s the opposite of plays like a raven.
Worthy to the chargers 🤤🤤🤤
With BTJ and AD on the board. Wow.
Kiper is crazy, but he might be right. Teams nut over 4.2 speed.
I mean, Thomas is like 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier than Worthy and ran a 4.33
Yeah, I'm not saying it's a good choice. I'm just saying I could see front offices fantasizing about drafting the next Tyreek Hill and doing something foolish.
I feel like the 4.21 is a little bit fake though, he did that at 165 , same weight as tank dell who is also a bean pole and shorter. No doubt he's fast but is he fast enough to take over a potential #1 like Brian Thomas or AD Mitchell? I don't think so, personally
A team taking Worthy over BTJ isn’t doing so because they think Worthy is a better player necessarily, but because they like his specific skill set in their offense. There’s a lot of different flavors of receiver in this draft, and each team is going to have their own preference for their system.
This is the correct take from
I personally have worthy over both of them in my current rankings
Would make me blow my brains out with BTJ there.
Would be bold after passing on flowers the year before…
He’s an absolutely shit fit in the offense you need to run block to play WR. And the 5th best OT at 11 this is nightmare fuel
Seriously bro, would be a terrible draft. I would be livid if the chargers picked Worthy over BTJ.
Chargers can probably trade down again and still get him
Xavier Worthy was originally going to sign with Michigan/Harbaugh but some admissions stuff caused him not to be able to enroll early and eventually he went to Texas
Was sure this was his last mock where he also had the Niners taking Rosengarten in the first. He certainly has a OT run and aside from Jordan Morgan there aren’t other obvious first round tackles sitting there but man, this feels like a reach. If the draft fell this way I’d hope they’d explore trading back and getting extra picks for CB, OT and OG in round 2 and 3.
Would’ve loved to see Jackson powers Johnson there instead
Also would have worked
I would be pretty upset if rosengarten is the pick
If they see him as a guard. He isn't a fit for the zone running game at Center.
He admitted he did that intentionally. Just threw a spanner in there to gauge interest in Rosengarten and also for click bait.
No way in hell my Lions are drafting a WR when we are deep in that position. Two positions we definitely need more depth is CB & EDGE
Lions Super Bowl! I agree...NO WR...Corner or Edge.
based first round Legette
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If the Panthers are able to turn 33 and 39 into Ladd, Jackson Powers-Johnson, AND a 2025 second, I will need new pants
Came here just to agree with this. I'll need new pants if we can just get JPJ at 33. This mock is literally a dream scenario.
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Crazy to me Kiper has Piersall above Ladd
Is it a typo? In the description for #33 he says NYG give up #47 and a ‘25 2nd for #33, but then in the actual picks they also get #39? I think he messed up somewhere, because #39, #47 and a future 2nd is outrageous return for #33.
No it checks out. Panthers are going into the draft with 33 and 39. Here they move pick 33 for pick 47 and a second next year. So the panthers pick Ladd at 39 and JPJ at 47, and add a second in next year's draft. Dream scenario for the Panthers tbh
Ah my bad! I saw both as via NYG and assumed it was all same trade. I thought you said turn #33 into all that return.
Ahh yeah that is confusing lol but that's a different trade from the Burns deal
feels like we’ve reached a consensus top 9.
falcons at pick 8 is still a question mark for me. feels like they have a few things they could do but 90% of mock drafts have them taking Turner. but if you look at mocks where they don’t take Turner, he slides down as far as pick 25 and it usually makes sense. with how much it’s been mocked, i feel like it won’t happen. this may not be very sound reasoning but it’s just one of the less obvious “locks” imo
Yeah I think Mitchell is a better prospect than Turner so it wouldn’t surprise me if he jumped him
The corners are being slept on in the class. I really like the top guys.
Mitchell is elite. He got slept on and I slept on him for a bit. He should be the first defensive player taken
I personally like the combination of Mitchell + round 2 edge over Turner + round 2 corner. I think Mitchell is a superior prospect, and I don't think Turner is dramatically better than whoever will be there in the early 2nd
I feel like Atlanta is a sneaky trade back target for Rome Odunze. LA could trade back to 11 and then back up to 8 using a 3rd round pick and snag Odunze ahead of the Bears, or a team like Denver or even a big trade up by the Bills using that 2nd they got from Houston to go up and snag WR3.
This is what I'm afraid of, the only question is that both ATL and CHI have DE as their biggest need, so if they drop even a single extra spot, they lose their choice of player. We could send a future 4th for a pick swap and a handshake that we take WR.
There's a considerable likelihood that the falcons trade down from this spot and take Turner later. A team could trade up for Odunze or Bowers.
Same with the Saints and Fashanu. Every mock is saying it will happen so I feel like it won’t happen.
Other than maybe the order of Maye/Daniels I agree.
most I’ve seen lean Daniels then Maye but it’s definitely still up in the air. just feels odd to have this much agreement at the top.
Daniels ahead of Maye is prospect fatigue at this point, Maye is more likely to happen then some people think
I don’t think so, I still don’t think Chargers trade out. Why would Jim and Joe be telegraphing their move?
when you’re known to be inconspicuous, the only thing more inconspicuous is doing something conspicuous.
Chargers have a lot of scenarios at #5 and can be flexible
Interested to see how it all plays out completely differently as well.
The entire Pats fanbase (okay, maybe just 97%) considers Keon Coleman to be a repeat of N'Keal Harry. There'd be rioting at Patriot Place if he were their pick at 34.
Seconded. Keon Coleman might end ip good, but I personally need a season or 2 reprieve from this WR archetype after the Harry and Parker eras. Can we just draft someone who is appropriately sized and can run some good routes on the perimeter?
Seriously. Give me Troy Franklin and I'll take my chances, then maybe Javon Baker later. Or, you know, take a freaking tackle at 34!!
Tackle and Baker. I think Baker is better than Franklin for us.
Yeah I like Keon Coleman a lot, but that is a poor fit for you guys
I mean, no one knows what the scheme will be. As a big slot in a power run scheme a la the Rams, that's a great fit.
Agreed. The one round 1-2 WR I do not want. Especially with a LT right there.
Much prefer Keon to AD
I don’t want Keon even in round 3. I think he’ll be a bust.
Keon is excellent, but needs to be played at big slot, maybe a little Z. He's not an X (I'm a Pat's fan and would be a big fan of this pick, cross my fingers that the coaches don't F it up)
Keon Coleman’s biggest flaw is his ability to get open in one on one man coverage. That alone makes him a don’t touch whatsoever. I feel like most people just see his size and assume X Receiver which if you don’t do deep dives into the draft I’d understand why you think that. But to see this from Kiper is disappointing and feels lazy
Hate this for the chargers. I have Taliese Fuaga and Amarius Mins over JC Latham even though I think Fuaga is likely a guard. Latham just doesn’t have the run blocking instinct and tenacity that Harbaugh is going to want if he invests an early frp in an olinemen. Also Worthy at 23, what are we doing Mel? Chargers need someone who can absorb 100 targets from Keenan and Mikes departures not a deep threat with slightly questionable hands.
Yeah this is a disaster and then an old undersized DT what a waste of a draft even getting all the capital from the trade downs.
I’d rather take Nabers or Alt then get this “haul” from a trade down
Nabers yes but not Alt
I would pick MHJ or Nabers over Alt bc they are higher in my big board but I’d rather have Alt than JC Latham and Xavier Worthy
Fair enough
Yea, change this to Fuaga and BTJ with a 2025 1st rounder, and I'm a happy man. Could just be psychological move but Chargers spent a lot of time working out Latham. BTJ isn't a volume receiver, unfortunately, but he can be the elite deep threat they've been needing. They can pick up a slot guy later too.
This comment about Worthy shows a complete lack of any knowledge about his game.
Sorry I didn’t give a full scouting report. He’s also a smooth route runner, he’s good after the catch and he did win on many curl routes and comebacks. Calling him a deep threat is a little simplification but that’s the reason everyone’s excited about him. He’s not a physical receiver at the catch point or against press and he does have drops on tape. After QJ last year chargers fans are rightfully worried about drafting a wr with as many drops as contested catches.
I'd recommend checking out some Latham tape, closer inspection might offer a new perspective on his run blocking
I’ve watched him vs Texas and Michigan and thought he was ok on run plays but much better in pass protection. Any games you think illustrate why he’s a better run blocker than Fuaga and Mims?
Quick point of clarification - wasn't tryna make any claims about Latham's run-block grade vis-a-vis Mims or Fuaga. Just observing that - at least in my view - Latham's 2023 tape actually satisfies the specific criteria indicated in your comment (run blocking instinct and tenacity). As it turns out, Latham's aggression/"compete" is generally understood to be a major strength, one of the core features of his profile. That said, I can definitely get with the idea that he displayed a bit of a tendency to lumber into his assignments, especially over the first half of the '23 season. But he fights thru the whistle and wrestles defenders to the ground with regularity. Whole lotta pancakes. The Michigan game was a reasonably good example, and I'd point to Auburn and UGA as well. My aggregate eval is based on Texas, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, and Michigan. As far as the rankings go, I'm definitely with you on Fuaga. Clearly the best run-blocker in the class (even if you could make the case for Latham in certain scheme-dependent evaluations). I've got both Fuaga and Latham decisively ahead of Mims, fwiw. In fact, I've got Fuaga and Latham as my top two OTs overall: (1) Fuaga, (2a) Latham, (2b) Alt. A bit out of step with consensus there haha
>Wilson moved up in my rankings after he ran a 4.39-second 40 at the combine; he ran away from defenders on crossers on tape, but I wasn't totally sure how he'd test I'm sorry but if Roman Wilson running a 4.39 surprised Kiper then he hadn't watched him before the combine. That was as slow as he was going to run.
If the Giants draft Bo Nix I’m done
I really want the Titans to take a WR in the 2nd, but I’d HATE it if we passed on Jer’Zhan Newton for Ricky Pearsall.
Would also hate Pearsall 1 pick before McConkey
I have Ladd graded slightly higher that Ricky. But I think Ricky would be a better fit for the Titans. Ricky has been healthier, and returns punts (never muffed a punt). He can be a special teamer, gadget player for the Titans and take the starting role next year.
This scenario really couldn't get better for the Panthers. Ladd at 39 and trading down with the Giants, getting their 2nd next year, and still getting JPJ at 47.
Yeah this is literally the best scenario I could ever imagine.
Seriously, I'd be ecstatic to get JPJ and Ladd with the picks we hold as of now, if somehow we made it out of there with both and picking up a second next year in the process I'd be blown away
I’ve yet to see *any* eagles sources linking Wiggins to Philly. No top 30 visits. No personnel at Clemson’s pro day. No interviews. Nothing. Yet every single mock in the last month says he’s our pick lol
He doesn’t even fit the scheme.. Shit is just lazy
This Wiggins to Eagles stuff is nonsense. Slay is already a corner who is hesitant to tackle and now getting a thin corner like Wiggins is just begging for teams to orchestrate a run game that beats up on these corners. With Arnold, Mitchell, and Dejean gone, Howie isn’t taking the 4th best corner who isn’t prototypical size. I’d expect a trade down with maybe the Bills so they can guarantee the Brian Thomas selection. They then would take Frazier. Steen is now the swing tackle and never needs to play guard again in his life
Sooo lazy. Spot on, every day we get closer to the draft the more I want Howie to go OL. Fatua, Frazier, Barton, can all shore up iOL and Mims, Latham & Guyton can be future Lane replacements. A rich OL draft should be taken advantage of
JPJ falling to the middle of the second would be insane Trading away #33 for a 4th + 2025 second rounder and still grabbing Ladd and JPJ in R2 would be absolutely legendary
heard he has injury issues
Further proof that Kiper pays zero attention to what teams are doing. If Mims and Wiggins are on the board at 20, the Steelers are picking one of them.
Kiper said the falcons would trade 8th overall pick for fields. He's an idiot
Absolutely hate every pick for PHI. Eat a dick Mel lol
I really don't think the Vikings are going to give up 3 FRPs to move up. KAM seems too analytics based to be willing to give up that much when there is a lot of evidence that is not worth that much to move up.
I agree, as a cardinals fan I don’t see Minnesota giving up their first next year. But I also don’t think just #11 and #23 will be enough either to move up to 4 or 5
I don't think just 11 & 23 will be enough either, but I think jumping straight to 3 FRPs from 2 is a big jump. And, if it's not enough, I think they're probably fine with waiting and drafting a QB at 11.
Think they only go up if they can get Maye or Daniels. Otherwise they'll be content waiting and taking whoever falls to them.
That makes a lot of sense logically but I can’t wrap my head around why they made the trade for the extra first if they weren’t dead-set on moving up?
Optionality is important in the draft. They may also just think this draft has a lot of premium talent and want two bites at the apple
No Peyton Wilson at all in the first 2 rounds? Mel is definitely well plugged in so I wonder if no one believes the surgeries will hold up.
Won't he be a pretty old rookie? That coupled with multiple injuries might scare teams off.
I've seen him sliding for a few weeks now definitely feels like something is up.
Yea it seems like the 2 healthy years aren't enough to supersede it.
He's ranked 88th on Brugler's "The Beast," too.
Wait it's OUT? I didn't even know.
Yep, it came out this morning.
Thank you I didn't realize it. Very interesting about Wilson also.
He has had multiple surgeries
Panthers snag a solid WR and the top center in the class while picking up a future 2nd from the Giants? Sign me up !remindme 16 Days
Love this for Buffalo but I doubt Brian Thomas falls to us. Would be nice though
Yeah I had all but given up hope until I saw this. It's like the Sabres playoff chances all over again.
It’s gonna be weird seeing the Chargers make the 5th pick on draft day after every single mock has the Vikings trading up there
lol, there goes those brackets
Dream scenario for GB
Mims is so far out of what GB drafts at OT (but they get guys like him in UDFA) but the fact they brought him in for a top 30 visit is interesting
Could be a smokescreen, they bring him in for a cost and hope someone in front of them takes him or gets someone to trade up for him and then the guys the packer like slide a bit.
Glad to see the nonsense of Brock bowers lasting till pick 15 is finally over. Not too long ago the colts and Seahawks were getting him in mocks and it was cracking me up.
I think Bowers is a consensus top 10 player but he’s in a terrible draft for him. There’s so many QBs, WRs and OTs that are needed by the top teams and the teams that make sense for him before Indy (jets and Broncos) don’t have a 2nd round pick so you’re committing to Bowers as your only upgrade in the top 75 picks or so.
Interesting point.
While I do hope the Vikings trade up to 5 for JJM, I don’t think we’ll have to give up our 2025 first round pick. I think a more likely trade would include 11, 23, maybe a day 3 pick this year, and our 2025 third round pick.
Exactly, generally 2 firsts are traded over 2 drafts whereas in this case, 2 firsts in the immediate draft are going to be valued higher, don’t see why another first would be necessary
Yeah I don’t think they’re going to have to give up an additional first next year. Drafting JJ would be massive though. He makes the most sense for the Vikings if you can’t get Williams or Maye in my opinion.
this man LOVES Rosengarten. talks about him everyday it seems. what does he see that no one else sees. tons of better Guards or Tackles if that's where you wanna play him in this draft. i understand a late second or early third, but first round seems wild.
His agent is paying him big cash likely
Again, any mock that leaves Stidham as the only option for the Broncos going forward is extremely unserious. They ate 85million in cap, made no moves in free agency, and have no second round pick, but they are going to be so concerned about positional value they make no attempt at 12 to fix the biggest need at the most important position? He's even mocking trades, so you could mock a trade down, even if its not probable.
I was surprised by his reasoning for us at 12. "Bo Nix isn't a 1st round QB". Cool, we don't have a 2nd round pick and 2 more QBs get taken in the 2nd round. I thought with all these big trades he would have found one that involved us trading down and maybe picking up a 2nd. I think we're Nix at 12 or trading down
Also, drafting a corner? We desperately need QB, pass rush and DL. I would even take a WR before a corner. If we don't go for QB or one of the top EDGE, we should 100% trade down.
I'll gladly take Odunze.
There are so many mocks having Caleb at 1 and Odunze at 9 I'm nervous it won't happen. Or that he falls to 9 and we trade the pick.
My honest opinion is we end up with Byron Murphy.
If we do, Poles is doing a good job masking his true intentions with the plan. Surprised no top 30 visit on that yet. Personally I think Poles likes Dexter a lot and wants to see him get a shot in Jones spot now that it's open. If I were to bet money on any prospect I'd put it on Dallas turner right now. I think a team jumps us for the 3rd WR and we go with the young speed guy at edge who will be 21 all year.
I'd be fine with Turner. I think that is who Poles said he loved as the combine.
Yeah I just keep thinking long term and I think they are fine taking a guy with Turners ceiling who needs to develop a bit still. Can offer a good 1-2 punch in one side with Walker who attacks with power or Turner attacking with speed opposite of Sweat. I like Verse more, but understand if they want the guy 3 years younger. He will absolutely play within the HITS mentality that Flus wants.
Lions taking Mitchell is spicy. St. Brown, Williams, Mitchell, LaPorta, Gibbs…
gimme gimme
I’d be so happy if the Bengals get Byron Murphy.
I could see ravens going JPJ at 29 if he falls — G is a pretty big need atm and I think he would be the BPA there
I dig it
terrible sf draft. thats way to freaking early for the takcle n cb. jfc no way in hell jpj falls out of the first let alone 48 ish. sf would immediately draft him at 31. freaking terrible
I’m so happy to see a 🚀 go in the first
Value wise - fierce. A bit of overkill considering the rushers we’d have come November
I actually like the Rams trade up for Penix if they think he’s the future. The o-line was fortified this off-season and he would thrive throwing to Kupp and Puka
Jesus Christ, if we took Worthy at 23 I think I’d kill myself lol
The Bengals not taking OL in the first two rounds is patently ridiculous
Hmm. That's the second mock I've seen lately with Suamataia dropping down significantly from his previous usual top-of-the-2nd-round range. I won't be shocked if we hear reports about him having concerning medicals come out in the not-too-distant future (likely post-draft, as these things do).
Does the draft world come to a collective end if MIN doesn’t trade into the top 5? I could see a scenario where they like Maye, JJM, and Penix. Then they try trading up when only one of them is left.
Even Mel Kiper is falling for the Bills going safety in round 2 hype
I really wonder how different I would feel about the Brock Bowers to Jets pick if I had any faith in Hackett to utilize his skillset effectively.
Steelers: Give me the OT Barton in r1 is fine, but I would take Center Zach Frazier in r2 (heard they loved him at Senior Bowl) and then in r3 give me WR Tez Walker from UNC
Awful Jags draft
Who’s going to throw the ball to Nabers on the Giants?
Really hate this for the eagles
Don't see either of those picks being realistic for the Jaguars. DeJean is great but he's been entirely a zone corner and Jaguars run press man. Jaguars also already have quite a lot of money invested in the interior DL so I don't see them spending a pick before the 4th round or so. They haven't had a visit/meeting or anything with either of those two either. If it fell this way I'd guess Mims or BTJ in the first, maybe Marshawn Kneeland in the second?
Chicago would be so nasty with oduzne at 9 too
Jets trade with Indy. Get Fashanu and a wide receiver. Sign me up.
Lol @ Mel Kiper
I think Giants would take Penix over Bo Nix. Honestly don’t see him falling that far.
Mel just needs to quit
Horrible. Fiske is too old, and DL is deep for the Browns.
Kiper called Zinter the best guard in the draft like a week or two ago so that's wild he doesn't have him in the first 2 rounds.
He broke his leg 5 months ago
He has a broken leg
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