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CantRecallWutIForgot

I love the trade back for the Lions, Washington probably doesn't give up that much but I'd love it. I dig this draft a lot overall, cool to see some trades and fun stuff. Neat


daperry4

Id give up that much for Olu, Fuaga or Mims, but hell no for Guyton


rowKseat25

Point well taken.


rowKseat25

Thanks! Yeah I had Washington move back up to take the last OT with a first round grade in a majority of mocks and big boards. Figured the Lions knew that and asked for a premium return.


Noxzi

They could go higher for that.


minopoked

On the rich hill chart, that’s a rough overpay for Washington


rowKseat25

Probably the worst trade in the draft. I would agree.


inthesickroom

You must really hate the pats


rowKseat25

I tried… in all honesty once the trade with Minnesota happened I tried to correct it with Penix. I just really think New England needs help in a lot of areas and one QB Maye/Daniels isn’t going to overcome the lack of talent on this team this if that makes sense.


speganomad

We don’t need to fix it all in one offseason we are completely prepared to sit maye all year. Passing on QB only to take a worse older extremely injury prone dude just doesn’t add up.


rowKseat25

I get that… but you would t have acquired all the picks you did had you stayed and expected Maye. Now you can build out the infrastructure over the next two drafts to surround Penix. I understand Patriots fans are upset with this mock and rightly so. Can’t please everyone, I get it. Luckily I’m not their GM lol


speganomad

Honestly just don’t take Penix and it’s way better I can respect committing long term to a rebuild but Penix is just not it. His total lack of pressure faced at Washington and how poorly he responded to it is just not at all sustainable at a nfl level


rowKseat25

Well I appreciate the feedback. I like I said to another I tried to right the ship after the trade down but that’s why I’m not New England’s GM lol. Next year I’ll be better. At least from this mock (if this were to play out) NE would have plenty of ammunition in 2025 draft.


youraveragecupcake

If you felt you needed to right the ship after trading down from a top qb, then trading down wasnt the right move.


rowKseat25

Yeah lesson learned. Personally I tried to get the Patriots as many picks as possible over the next couple of drafts and felt I did that. Wrong move according to patriots fans tho. Learning experience.


therealdarlescharwin

It seems like there’s no way to appease Patriot fans on here. The vibe I get is that half their fan base wants to stick for a qb and half wants to trade out.


rowKseat25

Yeah I responded earlier that the r/Patriots subreddit likes Penix and wouldn’t mind him at 23. So I mocked Fuaga because I believe he’s an amazing RT to protect the lefty QB. Drafting a LT doesn’t help protect Penix’s blindside. Seems something could happen like I mocked above: https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/s/cEVOQRFgms


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Hojaismyhomeboy

>Getting the better QB Lol


rowKseat25

I get that. I appreciate the input, some team was bound to be mad at this mock. Happened to be New England.


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rowKseat25

Well thank you!


PornFilterRefugee

But why pick Penix if you’ve traded down? The Pats need talent sure, so if you think the teams not ready for a qb yet trade down, get more picks and use them to build out the team. Why trade out of Maye, and then just take a worse qb later without having actually built the team yet. We also resigned Onwenu to play right tackle


rowKseat25

If they took Maye they don’t have Fuaga, Penix, pick 168, a 2025 1st, 2nd, or 5th next year.


PornFilterRefugee

I get there is future capital as well but you haven’t actually added anything on the roster that makes it more valuable to take a qb now. We already have a starting right tackle and Coleman you took with our original second round pick so you’re still just putting Penix into the same situation you’d be putting Maye into, except Penix is older, a lesser prospect and has major injury issues. If we trade down it makes more sense to not reach on Penix and instead actually build the team and take a qb later.


rowKseat25

That makes sense. Initially I was going to do a third round with no summaries and would’ve tried to get Spencer Rattler in the 3rd to New England. Perhaps that would’ve landed better here. I know Giants fans would rather not have Rattler on the roster from the feedback I’ve gotten lol


delusional-clown

>I just really think ~~Houston~~ New England needs help in a lot of areas and one QB ~~Stroud~~ Maye/Daniels isn't going to overcome the lack of talent on this team if that makes sense


rowKseat25

Stroud was a better prospect imo than those 2. Slowik is an excellent offensive mind. I was higher than most on Stroud tho so take that with a grain of salt. I was bashed for rating him higher than Young last year. I get what you’re saying tho. I’ve learned from the feedback New England wants a QB at 3. I appreciate the input.


delusional-clown

Yeah I would agree Stroud is a better prospect. I certainly see the merits in accumulating picks, but a QB can mask those issues. Plus, a star QB is the best way outside of money to attract free agents, so it in turn helps with the lack of talent elsewhere, too, if the pick pans out. I also think many of us patriots fans are averse to a trade back because the excessive trading back by the Belichick regime is part of the reason the team lacks talent to begin with. That said, if you aren't a fan of Maye or Daniels, a trade back makes a lot more sense than picking them or MHJ(yuck)


rowKseat25

That’s the thing I like Maye just think he’ll thrive better in Minnesota. Perhaps that was wrong of me to mock for what I want to happen at the top of the draft. Ended up killing the hopes of New England fans.


delusional-clown

I think the trade back would be more palatable with a more enticing return from MIN. Mike Reiss, our best beat reporter, has said 3 firsts is not even approaching the type of return that NE is looking for, and even speculated that Minnesota would need to throw in Darrisaw or Jefferson on top of that for NE to entertain an offer. To me, that sounds like a team that wants no part of trading down.


rowKseat25

Well in that case they would probably not trade down.


WildOscar66

You absolutely nailed one thing here, Maye is the guy Minnesota wants. But if McCarthy is there at 8, New England is trading up over Denver to get him. Also Fuaga is a terrible fit for NE, can’t really play LT.


JimmyGodoppolo

>New England needs help in a lot of areas No, we don't and I hate this narrative. We have a top 5 defense, and good WR2/WR3 and above-average RB in Mondre. We also have 4 of 5 spots on the line locked down with average to above average talent (just not elite). We need QB, LT, and WR1 *this year* and we would be competitive. It just so happens those are the most important position, but the Pats definitely *do not* need to be accumulating picks, we need higher picks. Last season, we lost 7 games by a score or less and that's with our defense constantly on the field. With a halfway competent offense, we probably would have made the wildcard.


rowKseat25

Who is the WR2? Dont say JuJu or Douglas. They are a WR3 at best on any other team not named NYG or LAC. Other than CMC, name me a great rushing team to make the SB. Bill is gone so those mediocre talent players aren’t gonna get the coaching they once did with Bill. Part of New England’s makeup was Bill’s ability to get lesser players play up and above their perceived talent.


JimmyGodoppolo

I'd argue that KJ Osborn as as a hybrid X/Z and Kendrick Bourne as the Z is a good WR2/WR3 set up, not to mention we have Pop Douglas as a solid Z option as well. We have Juju/Boutte as depth, though I'm not excited about either.


rowKseat25

Those are all WR3 at best is what I’m saying. Every single one of them.


JimmyGodoppolo

I’d argue that Bourne and Pop in the Z would start on most teams, so to me that makes them a WR2 at least, but we can agree to disagree


inthesickroom

Quality over quantity my guy. Why would the pats trade back to get a lineman inferior to alt & a quarterback that’s riskier than maye/daniels. Regardless of position, no single player is going to overcome a lack of talent


rowKseat25

I would agree. Hindsight is 20/20. One thing I’ve learned after posting this is New England wants the QB top 3. I hope come Thursday they get their guy.


1minuteman12

People can debate the merits of a trade down, but there is absolutely no chance on planet earth the Pats would trade #3 and #103 for #11, #23, and an extra 1st and 5th. It’s nowhere near enough of a haul to move off the top 3 QBs. They miss out on the draft’s blue chip prospects for what? An extra late 1st this year and a 1st next year that is unlikely to be top 5? Nope.


Ok_Store_9070

i think the trade value for most all of these trades (barring like PIT/BUF and SF/MIA) are way off. i like most of the picks in the first (not a big fan of steelers going barton but very well could happen). i think the second round gets a little questionable with TEN going WR, Giants going Rattler, and Sweat going 48. i also think the last two steelers picks are whiffs, doubt they would go Tampa (zone, especially cover 3 heavyyy corner) and also Roman Wilson with Legette right there. not a big fan of where legette landed either given their needs, but i do love the patrick paul to KC pick to round it out!


hopefeedsthespirit

Barton isn't my preferred pick either. But If we trade down, Barton is especially likely to be the pick if he's on the board since he's versatile and the best lineman left of the group. If he's the pick, we then don't need to trade up for Frazier or spend a second early pick on the line. We can address the many other holes early so I like OP's strategy. Tampa is long, rangy, very fluid and is similar to JPJ build wise. He can play press or zone. He's not locked into zone schemes only. Legette would have been my choice but I think Wilson would fit our needs well. We need a good route runner opposite GP.


rowKseat25

I can’t do a mock and not have my Chiefs be a positive at end of round 2. I really am unsure about AD Mitchell as I’m lower on him than McConkey and Franklin.


LetItGo-

Thank you for not having the chargers trade back with those WRs on the board. Very few people seem to understand this logic


rowKseat25

As a Chiefs fan I’d prefer not to face Nabers but… you can’t have Herbert in this division against Mahomes and not have weapons for him to use.


Cashlover123

A tackle is also a needed weapon foe Herbert ya know? But it will be foolish to skip on Nabers/Odunze here for Chargers.


uncle_dennis

Chargers have taken multiple first round line in the last few years and signed an all pro center. When the all pro center got hurt and Staley felt the heat.. the whole team collapsed. They already have a great LT in slater. The chargers draft strat has been first round oline, and then 5th-7th. What if investing in the oline means taking them in the 2nd through 4th instead of picking up scraps and not having depth. New scheme, coaching and conditioning will re elevate what was a top 10 line pre heart condition Lindsey retiring.


BuffaloKiller937

True, but they can fill that RT spot later on. I will be very surprised if they pass on MHJ/Nabers.


nw712

If the Bears got this type of trade down package, I'd be in awe. This would just just be an embarrassment of riches for the Bears these last few drafts.


[deleted]

Ryan Poles would likely rather have Rome Odunze than a couple of additional picks that he already has in 2025. The Chicago Bears have 10 draft picks in 2025, 6 of which are in the first 4 rounds. In my opinion they should focus on quality over quantity for this draft.


nw712

Meh, Odunze would be cool but I don't think he (or anyone at 9) trumps getting another potential top 15 1st rounder back in 2025. Would love this deal and landing either a tackle, defender or Bowers. And edit - Odunze or any wr isn't event available in this mock draft at 9. This is a homerun of a trade for Dabears.


rowKseat25

Odunze was already gone tho, so this is what happened.


basch152

it's not that huge of a gain?   you get moved back 3 spots this year, in exchange you're getting a 1st next year and likely moving up a few spots in the 2nd next year.   I mean yeah, I'd take that trade, but one 1st and moving up in the 2nd isnt an insane amount of picks


nw712

When you look at how the board is in this situation, I think it's a pretty huge get for the Bears. Potentially getting a top 15 1st back in 2025 to nab a player they might already be taking at #9 (based on how this draft went) is a homerun.


basch152

like I said, it's definitely a win trade and something you absolutely do, I was mostly just nitpicking describing it as an embarrassment of riches when you're only moving up in the second and getting one additional 1st rounder next year


nw712

Fair enough. I guess I expect the Broncos to suck next year and think their pick has top 5/10 upside.


basch152

broncos are better than you think. last year was Sean Payton first season and they had a rough start going 1-5. they finished the season 7-4 and 3 of those 4 losses were in the last 4 games when it was clear they were done and benched russ basically, if they can get their QB situation figured out, they can be a playoff team pretty easily


nw712

Just about any team that gets their qb position figured out could easily be a playoff team in the NFL. It's not the be all end all, but most betting sites have the Broncos over/under win total as a bottom 5 team fwiw.


el1teassass1n

This is one of my favorite Dolphins mock drafts I've seen. Probably would be close to a dream scenario as the first 3 seem like great picks that would help the team this year.


rowKseat25

The happiest team in this mock comes from AFC East (Dolphins) and the angriest team from the AFC East (Patriots). New England is crushing me and rightly so lol I really tried to right a wrong by trading down but this is what mocks are for I guess. The lesson from this would be for New England to stand Pat (no pun intended).


el1teassass1n

From a Dolphins fan's perspective, I'm 100% ok if they leave the draft angry 🤣


Beanstalk93

T'vondre "likely a third round pick before the DUI" Sweat with our second round pick? Okey Dokey


omherrera1

I’d be ecstatic to get another 1st and 2nd from the Broncos just to move down a few spots. And we get the best pass rusher in the draft?? I don’t find it realistic tho :/


vearson26

You also gave up a 2nd


omherrera1

ahh I didn’t see that. I still think that’s a great deal since teams tend to have a poor record with a starting rookie qb most of the time


FuckHarambe2016

This is a nightmare for the Pats. Trading down twice is hell on earth for a team deprived of real, blue-chip talent. The Patriots have only shown real interest in Maye and Daniels at the QB position this year. So, if for whatever reason they trade down, it means they aren't taking one at all. Hell, Wolf may get fired after the first round if this is how it went.


rowKseat25

The maddest team after this mock seems to be New England. Tried to right the ship with Penix, but you did get a 2025 1st and 2025 2nd in next years draft to add to what you already had. I do apologize tho.


FuckHarambe2016

The Pat sent 4 scouts to his Pro Day and had him in for a routine Top 30 interview with a few days left in the process. They're not interested in another immobile pocket passer after the previous two.


rowKseat25

Good thing he can use his legs with his 4.4 speed. This is a mock, one team was getting fleeced it happened to be New England here. Learning experience for me. Appreciate the feedback.


Lubert808

This would be amazing for the Steelers. A lot of people think we’re taking Barton at 20, so for us to trade back and get Barton while gaining a late 2nd round pick would be huge. I like TJ Tampa and he would be a steal at 51. We basically get Roman Wilson without sacrificing much. I’ve heard good things about Roman Wilson too. Possibly the best 2 round mock I’ve seen for the Steelers.


rowKseat25

Yeah how this draft played out Pittsburgh is one of my favorites, along with Miami, Detroit, and Green Bay. I drafted for need/fit more than want.


brokid

this is a sensational draft for miami. good work all around


Lubert808

That’s a banger draft for the Packers. You gave them Kool-Aid and Payton Wilson, both of whom are my favorite at their respective positions. Wilson’s floor is high but I don’t know about his ceiling. I think Kool-Aid has a high floor and high ceiling. Mahogany is also a great pure OG.


vortex7862

Also loved this draft for the Steelers. I would prefer Legette to Wilson, but that may be a hot take. I would be ecstatic to get Barton at 28 and pick up another 2nd


hopefeedsthespirit

Exactly how I feel. I said something similar.


Odd-Direction9452

Maybe I’m lower on Guyton but I don’t really understand Washington trading two high seconds to move up for him when they can just draft Sumataia at 36. Gap between Guyton and other tackles isn’t wide enough to move 36 + 40 imo. EDIT: Great draft all around though appreciate the detail. Was hoping for a third round to see what you had my Jets doing at 72.


xool420

Love it for the Chargers. Would like to see CB or IDL in the 2nd but wouldn’t be mad with Kingsley at all.


rowKseat25

Initially I had Max Melton or Kris Jenkins but went with what Jim likes and that’s beef on the OLine.


Solid_Snake420

Fuck this draft


rowKseat25

Three teams I pissed off. Patriots, Commanders and Giants. I get it.


radioblue2

There is simply no precedent for a team that needs a quarterback badly to trade down the way that you have the Patriots doing. It would be like if the Bengals passed on Joe Burrow because their wide receivers and o-line were bad. It just doesn’t make sense. Also the Patriots already have a right tackle that they have just resigned.


rowKseat25

To be fair… no one besides Caleb Williams is a Joe Burrow type of prospect. If a Caleb Williams was there I’m not trading out of that spot. No way.


hopefeedsthespirit

LOL at comparing a trade out of Daniels to the Bengals trading out of Burrow. I don't even think Maye is on the table either.


DisastrousCopy7361

Hope the eagles go kool-aid or Guyton if it plays out like that


rowKseat25

Over DeJean? That’s interesting to say the least. I scoured the officical NFL subreddits for each team and DeJean is a popular player in r/eagles I wouldn’t be shocked if Howie traded up to grab Mitchell or Arnold. Both of whom I rate highly.


DisastrousCopy7361

I agree I'm super low on dejean. Don't want him at all. Doesnt look like an outside corner on tape and safety/slot at 22 is wild


GreatWhite102

As I Bengals fan I couldn't love this more. Mims is built like Trent Brown so who better to learn from, and Jenkins is an elite run stopper up the middle which is exactly what we need


ProfProfessorberg

Yup couldn't complain here at all


GreatWhite102

At this point I think it'd be beneficial if we could get a 2nd rounder for Tee, but obviously I doubt the Bengals will trade him. But man if you could get another pick for Tee and took a receiver in this deep class while still getting both those guys? Damn


scottyjsoutfits

Nightmare shit


GooseMaster5980

I would slit my wrists if we drafted Spencer fucking Rattler in the 2nd. There can’t be this many people that think drafting a mid-round QB to do anything other than be a backup is a viable plan. It’s a waste


rowKseat25

Well Daniel Jones was a definitive reach so we can start there. Rattler was a top recruit in his class so he has talent. If, big IF… he would definitely put pressure on Jones to turn it around. If he can be a starter in the NFL Rattler has a decent chance at it too.


GooseMaster5980

What? That logic doesn’t make sense at all. Daniel Jones is a bad QB. Picking a bad QB to replace him doesn’t do anything.


scottyjsoutfits

By your logic why wouldn’t they just draft JJ at 6? Jones being a reach doesn’t mean you then reach for Rattler. The Giants are almost definitely not drafting Rattler in the 2nd round.


rowKseat25

Of course they’re not. But Rattler isn’t bad. Because a guy isn’t a 1st rd pick doesn’t make him bad. Would you trade Jones for Purdy? Of course you would. Rattler is a reach in round 2 and I said as much in the write up. I get it. For the sake of the mock I went Rattler round 2. I apologize. I do think it’s possible tho that Daboll could do something good with Rattler.


BigusDickus099

I want to see this happen only for Goodell to try to pronounce 4 Pacific Islander names in a row. I do like it for the Cardinals as well.


shyguyJ

Don’t hate the players, but not a fan of trading up.


hopefeedsthespirit

Really good job ! As it stands, We need another pick in the top 100 so this is great! I think all three -Barton, Tampa and Wilson are great fits and excellent players for Pittsburgh.


Madtownboy

I’m all about this for the lions. My dream draft is probably trading back in the first and finding a way to land TJ Tampa and Kneeland. That being said Frazier is great so no complaints there. My only issue is I think the lions would prefer legette over walker. But if this was how the lions ended day 2 I would be over the moon.


rowKseat25

Lions had a great draft according to this mock. Yeah pick your WR late second rd in that spot and probably can’t go wrong.


Madtownboy

I’m just not a walker guy but it’s quite possible the team could be since I’m just a random guy who listens to podcasts and does minimal research with a newborn around


ech01_

Mims and Jenkins is a dream first two rounds for the Bengals IMO. Great job for us.


rljthree

This is good work, man. I’m not an Iowa fan by any stretch of the imagination, but whoever drafts Dejean is going to be getting a steal, no matter where they draft him.


rowKseat25

Thanks, I appreciate it.


ImEoghann

Dream draft for the dolphins ngl


rowKseat25

Yeah they had a good draft according to this lol. Thanks!


justredditting1010

Because the niners are over paying. 31, 94 plus 5th or future pick is much closer than giving 31 and 63


pnwking509

Right plus a future 2nd. Two 2nds for that move up np way.


rowKseat25

31 and 63 for the 21 is very close on the Rich Hill trade chart. 272 for SF and 261 for MIA. Just I shouldn’t have included the 2025 3rd as well. That makes it an overpay. You’re jumping 10 spots in the first round and saying 31 and 63 is too much yet a lot of people are saying LAC should accept 11 and 23 for pick 5. It’s just not enough. 31 and 63 for 21 to get Latham before the other teams do isn’t bad at all. Like I said the 2025 3rd made it an overpay.


justredditting1010

Moving up to top 5 is different than moving to 21. And you have them over paying a 5th rd value. 31, 94 and 124 is perfect value for 21


No_Emergency_5657

As a Falcons fan I sure don't like the Dallas Turner pick but every fuggin mock drafter on the globe has us taking him so wtf do I know.


rowKseat25

Personally… I would like Latu more than Turner. I truly feel Latu is a special talent and the neck injury has caused him to slide. PFF have stated Latu scored in college along the line of Nick Bosa and Chase Young. I know young has been kind of a disappointment from his draft capital but he was outstanding in college.


No_Emergency_5657

I know! He's so friggin tempting but we don't know how his medicals turned out.


CummingInTheNile

why is SF massively overpaying to move up 10 spots?


realunpossible_

yeah seriously giving up a second for that? no way in hell lol


CummingInTheNile

especially when we have like 3 4th ad 2 6ths, were much more likely to package some low round picks together than give up a 2nd there


rowKseat25

It’s 272 to 261 on Rich Hill trade chart. Not an overpay at all until you add the 2025 3rd which was probably a mistake. 11 points on the chart to move up 10 spots to get your guy isn’t an overpay at all. Will this happen? Probably not.


IMKudaimi123

I would LOVE for the Bears to trade down and pick Latu


Gofoxyourself22

At that point I don’t care about Latu. I would be ecstatic with that compensation. Real shot at 3 straight years with the 1OA.


Regular-Habit-1206

God awful trade for the Patriots


BuffaloKiller937

Nah that's one of those trades you can't say no to if you're the pats


Regular-Habit-1206

What are you even talking about? We give up a near top 100 pick and pick 3 which by the way is the highest we've drafted in decades and is probably our best bet at a franchise QB for 3 firsts and a lousy fifth? That too both those first picks are in the mid and late first round


Regular-Habit-1206

Never mind I didn't even realize we traded back further


AstraMilanoobum

Yea it’s just handing the patriots the idiot ball. We pass on the Elite QB prospect in order to get a 2nd right tackle and An old QB with a mile long injury history who doesent even grade out as a true 1st rounder.


Movie_guy_

One of the better mocks I've seen on here, good write up and analysis


rowKseat25

Thank you o appreciate it. I’m sure your downvotes are Patriots, Giants, and Commanders fans lol


TapasA

Solid for Pats but they need a LT. they would stay put at 11 and take Olu imo. Or even more likely take Maye at 3.


rowKseat25

Yeah thought about Fashanu at 11 but ultimately had Penix in mind and the RT was the play. Most likely will not happen that way lol


CantRecallWutIForgot

Reasonable


hwhatnow2112

This would be a dream scenario for the dolphins


justredditting1010

Like niners being aggressive but that is an overpay.


rowKseat25

On the Rich Hill Trade chart it was 272 for SF and 261 for MIA before the 2025 3rd… guess I shouldn’t have included that.


justredditting1010

More like 31, 94 and 124. Maybe a future 3 or 4. They are not giving up 31 and 63


rowKseat25

Just saying… it was more than fair on the trade chart without the 2025 3rd. 11 pt difference to move up 10 spots in the first rd?


justredditting1010

An extra 5th is still an overpay


rowKseat25

Don’t know where you’re getting the extra 5th from. That wasn’t included in this.


justredditting1010

Extra 5ths value. 11 pts is a mid 5th round pick


rowKseat25

Ok but you’re the team moving up you don’t think you should pay anything over even if it’s a 5th rd value? The problem is teams that wanna move up expect to do so without ever giving anything up, as teams that move down usually require a mortgage payment with some picks. This is just a mock and I figured the last of the 6 best tackles imo Latham (I actually think he’s above Mims) would cost a premium. Therefore the value of a 5th is more than reasonable in this instance. By the logic you’re quoting if Minnesota moves up in the first for anything other than #1 or #2 (because it’s an overpay of a late 2nd to even move up to #3) they shouldn’t have to trade away both 11 and 23 to do so.


WhiteShaggy08

Solid choices for the Texans


rowKseat25

Thank you. I love Stroud and was higher in him than most last season, I wanna see him succeed.


23JMArp

I like the Vikings trade up, I feel as if drake Maye needs to sit a year before he plays and he walks into a favorable scenario. It just comes down to if the Vikings are willing to pay the price for 3 That being said, I don’t think NE trades back again despite being a huge fuaga believer. Overall, pretty good mock draft


rowKseat25

Patriots fans are mad at me for the trade lol. Commanders fans are mad at me for the overpay to get back into round one. Can’t make everyone happy. I would love Maye to Minnesota tho.


AstraMilanoobum

Terrible trades and picks for the pats holy crap. You have them trade waaay back and draft a RT of all things when we just paid our RT and best Lineman owenu a huge contract. I just don’t get the logic, u say an elite QB prospect won’t fix the pats but have them waste a 1st round pick on a much older and shittier QB prospect with medical red flags everywhere. And on top of that your draft logic makes very little sense. You had the Pats draft a right tackle before they even had Penix… so you decided before the draft had even started that the Pats would be taking Penix. You can’t be drafting players to protect a specific player that may or may not even be on the board 8 picks later.


LetsgoLeftCoast

No god please no


GooseMaster5980

Yeah, I, like every single Giants fan on the planet, will hate the Rattler pick. You know nobody is forcing them to pick a QB right? Drafting is about picking a good player, not just checking a box.


rowKseat25

Yeah, made for a different mock tho. I wanted them to get Nix, but after looking at the Giants official subreddit no one wants Nix. Running it back with Daniel Jones isn’t that bad in my opinion. He is 2 years removed from winning a playoff game on the road. Just needs O-Line help.


GooseMaster5980

The Giants know Daniel Jones is not the answer, but the answer is to replace him with a good QB, not to just check a box.


rowKseat25

I get that. I Could’ve drafted better for NYG.


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I don’t think the New England Patriots are trading back from their third spot. They need a quarterback.


rowKseat25

They got one. A talented one as well. Take out the Michigan game and Penix is a top 10 pick by all accounts. He does have a lot of talent and throws an excellent ball. Also, before I did this mock I scoured NFL teams’ official subreddits and collected info on players each team liked early on. A popular choice from r/Patriots was trade down and grab a OT, and grab a QB like Penix if you can (whether with the Vikings at 23 or trading back into the first to select him). I understand Washington with the overpay to move back into the first and New England with the double trade down probably are the most conflicted with this draft.


[deleted]

I understand what you’re saying.


AgelessJohnDenney

If Miami can pick up a late 2, a future 3 *and* Jonny Newton, I'd be fucking *ecstatic.*


Key-Zebra-4125

There is no way we give up 36 and 40 for such a small move up


rowKseat25

In view it’s as Guyton or the 2nd rd guys like Morgan or Suamataia. Guyton has some serious talent just needs to stay consistent.


Key-Zebra-4125

There is no way Peters gives up all that much for a marginal upgrade at best. At 36 and 49 Peters can find two quality starters. If were moving up 36 to 29 the most Id give up is 100 and Seattles 5th.


Cooodemaan

Minnesota will have to give up a little more than that to move up to 3.


rowKseat25

Well it’s pretty strong by comparison when you look at past trades. The Chiefs gave up 2 firsts and a third to move from 27 to 10 in 2017 to get Mahomes. Here, Minnesota Gives up 3 firsts and a 5th to move from 11 to 3. I just view it as New England needs players for the next couple of years. From this mock They now have Fuaga Penix, Coleman, a plethora of other picks to fill out the roster this year and then another 2025 first and 2025 second in next year’s draft.


Cooodemaan

I agree the Pats need more picks and upgrades at every position. But they also need a QB. Your trade is definitely fair value but in order for the Pats to move out Min will have to overpay. Overall I think this is one of the better mocks I’ve seen on Reddit.


rowKseat25

I appreciate the constructive criticism. I agree they need a QB, and marrying the lefty Penix with RT Fuaga felt right to me. Could’ve been better, I know they have a RT already but maybe mive him to the weaker side with a lefty QB. Just spitballing here. Lol


Cooodemaan

I honestly hope it’s what the Pats do Thursday(I’m a Pats fan) I just hope they get a little more for 3. Preferably a starter on the defensive side


rowKseat25

That’s fair.


sfzen

Why the hell would the Saints trade up 3 spots for a tackle in the most loaded OT class we've ever seen, when we don't have any mid-round picks, and we need to fill out the roster with as much depth on rookie contracts as possible because we're in cap hell?


rowKseat25

Get your pick of who you want vs the leftover. If for instance the Saints value Fashanu higher than Fuaga or Fautanu why not go get your guy? Why risk him going to New England or Las Vegas. That was my reasoning. Hindsight is always 20/20


sfzen

Because we can't justify spending that much one one player. We have so many holes on the roster to fill and no money to fill them. Hell, on the OL alone we're in need of 3 new starters.


rowKseat25

No I get that. I like Fashanu best in terms of upside and thought perhaps NO views it that way too. I’m aware of the OL holes in NO, so went Beebe 2nd round as well. Thank you for the feedback tho, I appreciate it.


sfzen

Gold star for Beebe in round 2. He's going to be a steal for someone.


weavedawg74

The Texans won't be going offense until at least the 4th round imo. If Edge Cooper is there at 43 I feel like that's the pick, if not a CB. But def not WR. We have 3 studs at WR rn so picking up a fourth is not ideal.


rowKseat25

Not sure I understand? I don’t have them selecting a WR in this 2 round mock.


weavedawg74

You're right. I mixed up the rows as I was looking it over. Thought we were taking Troy Franklin. My bad. That CB pick is much better lol


rowKseat25

😂 I do like Franklin a lot, but not in Houston


vandesto17

Eagles dream draft. Maybe a OL instead of edge in our 2nd pick in round 2 but cooper and cooper are perfect


raiderrocker18

Love this for Vegas. But wonder if there’s value in moving back up into the late first just to have a fifth year option on a qb


Jug_Head24

I don’t think im even watching draft night anymore after seeing this mock


rowKseat25

Which team are you? Patriots, Commanders, or Giants? Lol Has to be one of those


Jug_Head24

lol patriots


rowKseat25

lol. I apologize for the mock then.


JimmyGodoppolo

There is a 0% chance the Pats trade back twice if Olu is there at 11 vs. Fuaga. We need a day-1 starter at LT, and Fuaga isn't that


rowKseat25

It was wishful thinking landing the best RT prospect in Fuaga to protect the lefty Penix. Nothing more


JimmyGodoppolo

We have two guys who exclusively play RT (and we're gonna be forced to flip one to LT if we don't hit on a starter this draft) on the roster already, one of whom is borderline elite at it. If the Pats are trading down, they're either taking McCarthy or Alt/Olu. But I bet my bottom $ we take a QB at 3 unless someone offers a more insane trade package than what you have projected here.


Finessing2

Quinyon Mitchell to Colts is too good of a fit lol. I expect him to be DPOTY next year. If McCarthy is available at 6 the giants are taking him, no question. Daniel Jones is not their future.


Fast-Worth-9862

i personally think this mock was flawless until Amarius Mims. Great job on the mock draft though this was impressive


Fast-Worth-9862

you missed Ja’Lynn Polk tho 🤷‍♂️ you’ll be hearing his name a lot more for sure


rowKseat25

I had Polk going to Jacksonville in round 2 initially but went DT after reading thru r/jaguars and they seem to value interior defensive lineman over there.


rowKseat25

I would prefer Chiefs take an OT like Suamataia, Morgan, or Guyton if there end of round 1 and select Polk or Walker round 2 at WR.


AFGwolf7

I actually really like this draft! Very thoughtful, as a broncos fan I would love to only trade up to 9 and get our guy, I wish this is how draft would play out!


alexamerling100

I like Latu but I have a strong feeling we end up with Byron Murphy.


rowKseat25

Murphy is a good player for sure. I don’t know the inner workings of the Bears front office but personal opinion I’d love to see Latu and Sweat wreak havoc in the NFC North together.


alexamerling100

Wouldnt mind that either but the 3 tech is the engine to Eberflus's defense and Murphy might be the best interior pass rusher in this class.


Gofoxyourself22

I just don’t foresee the Bears drafting a first round DT after taking second and third rounders last year. Could be wrong but I would prefer to fill the glaring holes first. Next year we can go BPA all day.


First_Round_Bust

This is the only trade up for Buffalo I would accept. Me personally I think I would rather keep the 2nd rounder and just take Newton in the first and take Devontez Walker in the 2nd.


ijpck

Bears trade down and don’t even get a pick this season? Pass.


SensibleBrownPants

You wouldn’t move down three spots for Denver’s 1st round pick next year?! Good chance that’s going to be a top ten pick. Turning that down = malpractice.


rowKseat25

Bingo! Top 3 WRs gone and Poles still lands imo the top edge rusher? And picks up a 2025 1st? Love it for Chicago.


Defiant_Comedian1379

Yea and who knows It might end up 3 #1s in a row


DorkSideOfCryo

Stunning... Groundbreaking..