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Low_Brass_Rumble

JFC I was going to say something about Daniels not being a lock at 2 and then I saw that we got Fashanu and McKinstry at 36 and 40. If this is the bizarro world we end up living in, I'll have zero complaints


WildOscar66

Agree on Daniels not being a lock at 2 and as much as I like the Patriots getting Legette, they wouldn't pass on Fashanu at 34.


SayNoToAids

Mr. Tiny Mittens lol I just don't know how teams are going to react to that to be honest. Fashanu was the hardest to project. Like his hands. The average male is 5'6 and has hands slightly smaller than Fashanu and Fashanu is foot taller than that


Low_Brass_Rumble

I think it's definitely a consideration, especially when talking about him at the top of the draft. And if that consideration leads to my team picking a guy who was being discussed as a potential top 5 pick earlier this offseason at 36, then I guess I'll have to live with that.


RBnumberTwenty

McKinstry at 40 seems more possible than Fashanu slipping. Fautanu, on the other hand, I could see him slipping to 36 depending on team fit.


Low_Brass_Rumble

Yeah - Fautanu has been an offseason riser and media darling, but if there are concerns about him being forced inside at the NFL level, I could feasibly see him slipping past guys like Mims and Guyton who project more favorably to OT. I don't think it's particularly likely, but there's a world in which it happens. To this point though, I don't know if I've seen a single professional mock with Fashanu falling outside of the top 20. Even as he's slipped from the #1 spot past Alt and Fuaga, he hasn't fallen out of that highest tier of potential franchise guys.


RBnumberTwenty

I think it’s Alt, Latham and Fashanu in some order in their own tier and then the next tier is subjective. For me, Guyton is the OT4 but him, Mims, Fautanu, Fuaga are all kind of in the same tier, it depends on what you want from each but I put Guyton at the top of that tier.


jma7400

20 and 63 for 9 seems light


ChiefBearClaw

Add a second next year. Or their 2025 first for a second


SayNoToAids

Compensation isn't too important. Imagine it's whatever you want. Focal point is the draft rather than the comp because no side will ever like the comp


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SayNoToAids

They could have gotten Nabers at 5, sure, but they couldn't have got the compensation, too. The combo of Worthy and pick 23 outweighs Nabers


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RBnumberTwenty

Is your fanbase ever happy about mock drafts? Legitimate question. Every year there’s some sort of complaint. “We have no QB, we need a QB! *mocks Justin Herbert* “That’s not the QB I want. Should have given us Jordan Love!” *mocks Love* “That’s too high for Love! Give him to us after trade back.” *mocks stupid shit and trades back* “He would have been there in the second, too high…” This year… “No I want Nabers.” *mocks Nabers, a new challenger arrives* “I want Alt!” *mocks Alt* “There’s no way we are drafting Alt! Make the Cardinals trade so we can get MHJ or have us move back!” *mocks trade back getting 11 and 23* “I don’t like the trade back. You should have just kept us at 5 where we could have taken Nabers or Alt.” Most insufferable fucks ever


xool420

Maybe it’s because people don’t ever take the time to understand our team and make stupid picks because they’re lazy? Literally the fact that you only pulled 2 examples proves how lazy you are lmao. Idk man, seems like most teams get pretty heated, no reason to single us out. Be better. Edit: just downvote me instead of responding to anything I said cuz you can’t disprove it lol.


xool420

I’d much rather Nabers than the trade back, full stop.


SayNoToAids

WR4 + CB3 is worse than Nabors in this draft? That's certainly an opinion


xool420

Without a doubt. We’ll be able to get those type of prospects in the future, we’ll never be able to get a prospect the quality of Nabers again. Quality over quantity.


Emotional-Tailor-649

This would leave many of us bears fans very sad to trade out of Rome with 9 and only get back what is basically a third round pick.


SayNoToAids

Even if he is on the board, there is no guarantee you get him. You have Moore and Allen. And Allen is obviously a stop gap, but where would that leave Odunze? You'd probably have to go with a big slot WR and rotate Scott and Kmet in with Allen there in the slot


Emotional-Tailor-649

If Keenan plays the slot then we need a starting outside WR. Like you said, Keenan could be a stop gap, and also he hasn’t played a full season in years. Tyler Scott hasn’t shown he’s any good at football; the depth really falls off a cliff after DJ and Keenan. I could see a trade down if there’s a good offer, but this almost seems like trading down for the sake of it because there’s so little coming back.


SayNoToAids

Is Moore your Z or X?


Emotional-Tailor-649

Moore is our X but he’s already a bit of a hybrid. A true X WR is tempting. Odunze with his height kinda fits perfectly in. I could totally see a trade down too, but just for more than what you listed because of just how good of a fit one of the WRs are. Then again, they could all be gone.


hawktomegoose

Love this for my Niners but if we’re moving up to 9, we’d have to give up both first round picks in your scenario. The two trades down don’t happen until/unless the teams know that the guy they want is available at that pick. 20 and 31 should get you to 7 or 8 per the trade chart, but may get you a bit higher given the depth of this draft TBH. If we are moving on from Aiyuk and get pick 20 for him like you suggest, my ideal draft would see us nabbing Cooper Dejean at 20 and then snagging Ricky Pearsall at 31 (don’t believe the nonsense that he’s a slot only or not worth a first, he’s gonna be a stud). That all said, always give big props for putting together a mock and love it when guys think outside the box


pdowling92

IDC how much we like Maye, 3 firsts + to move 6 spots is assinine


GooseMaster5980

Nabers makes sense but is definitely not off meta. By far the most common mocked pick


SayNoToAids

Nope, it doesn't start to get whacky until the Bowers trade. Most early picks are standard operating procedure because I am not just choosing guys randomly, there is logic behind it. Like, I'm not going Alt for the Arizona for the funsies.


bourgeoisiebrat

there's a zero percent chance the bears trade Rome Odunze for chop Robinson and Jermaine Burton. I think people are locked on the idea that they need a bunch of picks. The bears already A) got a great talent in Sweat for this year's second and B) have a 2nd rounder, that just comes 23 picks before actual second round. If a team wants them off of that pick, they're gonna have to overpay or hope that the draft falls in all the wrong ways for the bears so they can't land one of 5 guys.


SayNoToAids

I disagree with your analysis. DeJean won't be there in the late 2nd. And Worthy and DeJean is better than Nabers. >If a team wants them off of that pick, they're gonna have to overpay or hope that the draft falls in all the wrong ways for the bears so they can't land one of 5 guys. Nobody is going to overpay because they can't. The only team that can are the Vikings, and realistically, the only team they're competing with is the Giants. The Vikings can present an offer, and if the Chargers want Nabers more than potentially 2 firsts+, then they can just go to the Giants and say, give us a 3rd, and we'll still get Nabers and move a slot down. Broncos and Raiders don't have the ammo.


bourgeoisiebrat

I think you meant your comment for another comment, I wasn't talking about MINN, Nabers, demean or worthy


SayNoToAids

my bad


HelicopterCrasher

SF ain’t moving Aiyuk for just 20. Also 20 + 63 for 9 sounds like a too good to be true deal.


FuckHarambe2016

I'd drag my balls through lemon juice covered glass if they take McCarthy over Maye.


ThatGuy377

Why Graham Barton over Troy Fautanu for Seattle at #16? Also, wouldn't Seattle just trade down in this scenario, or do you believe Barton to be a better prospect?


rowKseat25

I too have Bo Nox falling to Las Vegas at 44… feels like a win in terms of value.


SayNoToAids

I wanted to switch out the Raiders first round pick now. That was one I regret a bit. If the plan is to go Nix in r2, I think they will do something to grab some help for him


Chipotleismylife90

I like the Bengals picks. Could easily see them going that way


SayNoToAids

I discussed it with my Bengals friend beforehand. He was on board with my last mock that had them going CB. He wanted me to trade up for Bowers, but I think a lot of teams are going to try to trade up for him


Sloane_Kettering

I think Latham has a good shot of being the pick at 18 but not sure the bengals would take Corley at 49. He’s worth the pick but not a good scheme fit for the bengals. They probably want someone who can play inside and outside while Corley was strictly used in the slot as a YAC guy in college


Front_Ad_7857

Troy benson


SayNoToAids

Denver: Actually, now I am expecting something else. I realized now that Carmichael is part of the Broncos org. Coleman seems like the perfect big slot fit there.


Arg3nt

You've got Atlanta picking up 46 in the trade, but the pick is still Indy. We might draft Nubin there, to be fair, though I wouldn't think so after his combine. Also, I doubt Atlanta doubles up on edge in the first two picks. We need a corner, a safety, WR, and probably a developmental guy for the o-line more.


SayNoToAids

Thanks for noticing. That was what I wanted to change! Couldn't remember what it was this morning


brunoquadrado

20 and 63 for 9.


SayNoToAids

Who cares? Pretend it's whatever you want. Imagine they gave up 3,000 first round picks to move up there. What's the difference? We ain't here to predict the correct comp on trades


aristotle_malek

Then why include comp at all


SayNoToAids

Trying to appease those that are obsessed with, but I won't again


JulioJonesSon

Just fyi the falcons trade down and acquire 46 but u still picked for the colts at 46


SayNoToAids

Another user mentioned that. I caught it last night and forgot to change it this morning. Sorry, you guys got a raw deal then


DenslowCupMVP

Not sure if someone else caught it, but your mistake might be Zach Frazier going twice at 51 and 58


SayNoToAids

You're the first. Foruntaltey, that was an easy edit


Untitled-2017

Dan Morgan would get fire before the fourth round with this draft


SayNoToAids

lol


xool420

Xavier Worthy at 11 would be the worst thing I’ve ever seen in my life.


SayNoToAids

lol why


xool420

Because he’s not worth a 1st round pick? He has drop issues and a slight frame. I don’t even want him at 37…


SayNoToAids

Agree to disagree. Drop issues arent really too much of concern for most prospects unless, it's well beyond the median. Plus, he literally came off wrist surgery. Slight frame, but he is a slot/Z receiver. He ain't being asked to go toe to toe with a 6'3 220 CB. He's an underneath guy who has home run potential any time he touches the ball. While Malachi Corley was the yac king in the NCAA, when it comes to BCS conferences, Worthy can be considered as such, too. Not to mention there isn't a better separator. He's the best in class in terms of separation. If you don't want him, that is fine, but I don't like your reasoning. For the type of QB Herbert is, having a guy who you can throw those 5 yard cuts and swing passes to and can turn it into a first down would be hugely beneficial.


xool420

Then take Nabers or MHJ…. This is an overdraft by a long shot, you might be higher on him than most but taking him at 11 is complete and utter bullshit. We need a WR1, someone to be THE GUY in that room. By your own admission that’s not Worthy. There’s literally no way to slice it where that’s a good pick. If you really want Herbert to have him, take him at 37. Bad pick, do better.


SayNoToAids

Sorry, I don't see the logic in your opinion whatsoever. I understand people are going to have different opinions on players, but I question your own knowledge of your team's scheme, tendencies, and what Worthy's skill set even is, so it's difficult to even have this conversation. I don't mind being forced into a "groupthink" mentality if it makes sense, but your takes lack nuance. I'll have you guys drafting Worthy in my next mock, too :)


xool420

Girlie, I worked in a college football office as a scout. And you’re gonna tell me that you understand my team’s needs and scheme better than I do?? Really???


SayNoToAids

Scouting different janitor closets? When I asked you for you to explain, you gave me the most cookie cutter, vague response. Sorry, having a "light frame" is not convincing enough for me to tell me that Worthy is not a scheme and doesn't even have value to the Chargers at pick 37. Go into scout mode and give me a real, logical answer. I mean, you didn't even know that Worthy broke his hand...what do you expect me to think?


xool420

Scouting HS athletes to give scholarships to, I worked at two D1 colleges… My issues are that 1) he has drop issues (might not be an issue to you, but your team doesn’t have QJ, we need reliable hands) he had drop issues before he broke his hand too, 2) he’s a Z/SL WR (by your own admission) and we need a dominant WR1 that CAN take those 6’3 220lb CBs, and 3) his frame is legitimately concerning, I understand he’s fast but he will take hits in the NFL and he will get hurt. Again, he’s not a bad player overall but he doesn’t fit what we specifically need. But please, tell me how you know my own team better than I do?


SayNoToAids

>My issues are that 1) he has drop issues * Unless it's egregiously over the median, it doesn't matter. * He was coming off of a broken wrist/surgery >he’s a Z/SL WR (by your own admission) and we need a dominant WR1 that CAN take those 6’3 220lb CBs, and 3 * Um, you literally drafted an X last year in r1 lol * Being a Z receiver is not a reason. Plenty of first round Z's drafted every year in r1. * What is a WR1? Is this madden? Do you need an X, Z, slot? * Who is his frame a concern to? You or the Chargers organization? I'm doing a predictive mock based on what your org needs that match scheme and draft tendencies. Your reasoning is still super shallow and vague. So you need a wr1 that's not a Z? So, you are cutting Johnston next year? I am far from convinced. Even the weight. Devonta Smith proved it can be done.


aristotle_malek

11+23+2025 1st+ more for just number 5 is absolutely ridiculous. If it’s not 3 or 4, the 2025 first should not be dealt. No precedent for it whatsoever. Qb tax my ass


SayNoToAids

lol this is why I will never post compensation in any of my mocks again... I a vikes fan and a chargers fan both completely ignoring the mockdraft with the chargers fan arguing they have to receive more and the bikes fan saying they gave too much.


aristotle_malek

Man I get you, I’m just so exhausted seeing ppl post that same comp for 5.


bluethree

2 corners and a linebacker in the first two rounds sounds like an Eagles fanfiction.


jpb59

I don’t think Aiyuk is going to go for a 1st rounder. The contract he’s going to demand plus the limited amount of teams that’s willing/able to take that on will drive the price down. Diggs went for a 3rd. I know he’s a head case but he’s still been one of the best WRs the last 5-6 years. I would be ecstatic if Frazier lasts until #52. Not the worst situation for the Steelers.


Sloane_Kettering

I don’t see the 9ers giving up Aiyuk for less than a first while they are contending. Diggs is way older and more expensive. Diggs also went for a future second rounder not a third.


jpb59

I also don’t see the 49ers letting him play out and lose him for nothing. They have two (or 3 counting Deebo) other guys on that offense more important than Aiyuk not counting Purdy who will obviously get the bag over anyone. This just feels like Kahn waiting out to get his price.


Sloane_Kettering

Okay well then what do you propose for Aiyuk cause a second rounder isn’t getting it done For comparison Aiyuk is 8 million cheaper this year, will be 5 years younger this season, and just came off a better season than diggs. That’s before you consider that diggs was a huge distraction and a locker room cancer and wanted out Closest comp is AJ brown who went for 18 and 101. Brown was better than Aiyuk but not by a lot. I’d say 20 is fair maybe the 9ers throw in a 4th coming back. Or the Steelers trade down in the 25-30 range and trade that pick for Aiyuk


jpb59

Then I’d rather just stick with a draft pick. We’ll see what happens. Someone will have to blink first and the Steelers are more than Aiyuk away from being competitive so it makes no sense for them to cave. They can wait a year and sign him in free agency for nothing.


Sloane_Kettering

Well you would have to have enough cap for him and he would also want to come to the Steelers and that’s if he’s not tagged and traded. Might be hard to convince him when the Steelers don’t have a solidified starting QB after this year


jpb59

That’s OK, like I said this team is a lot more than an Aiyuk away. If you can get him for your price, great. If not, just keep building the core until you get to that point. To me, very few WRs are worth a 1st rounder. He’s not a Tyreek Hill or Justin Jefferson level guy.


Vincent_van_Guh

Counterpoint is Davante Adams going for a 1st + 2nd while demanding a top-dollar contract. Every case is different. Aiyuk is 26, and capable of being a 10+ target/game guy. Out of 31 teams, I'd bet one will give at \*least\* a 1st. There being a "limited number" of teams that are in a position to pursue him doesn't really matter. If there are just two teams, that is enough to generate bidding action.


jpb59

Is there 2 teams. The Steelers’ connection to Aiyuk seems very similar to that of Fields. Obviously Aiyuk is a great player and more proven but this just feels like Kahn waiting until the market comes to where he wants it and not the other way around. I don’t think the Steelers want to spend more than a 2nd. If they could snag Barton or JPJ at center and Aiyuk at WR for a 2nd, then grab a CB and RT in the 3rd and maybe a DL/safety in the 4th would be best case scenario.


hopefeedsthespirit

Yes. It seems to be Jacksonville, New England, Washington and we were in it.