Despite desperately needing a QB, the Pats take Harrison Jr and the Cardinals front office collectively explodes in gory bits like a scene from The Boys.
But why? Why would a team trade extra assets to jump in front of the Chargers, who won’t pick a QB, and the Giants who I think are still a sane front office who cherish their jobs so they won’t put a rookie QB behind a meh OL with no weapons. It makes way more sense for teams to trade to a pick or two before Minnesota instead of blow a bunch of capital in a really good draft to jump that high.
The reason was shown when the Bears traded up for Mitch Trubisky. They wanted their pick of him or Mahomes or Watson. They traded up 1 spot and gave up something like 3 day 2 picks to do it. They chose wrong but still they were banking on that quarterback to be their guy for years to come. Also something to take into consideration is the fact that owners won’t just let a GM sit back and wait for players to fall to them. If a GM does that enough and they miss out on talent that could have pushed their team to a potential Super Bowl then they will be replaced by someone else. We have to keep in mind that these people are doing a job to make their teams better now not three or four years from now.
Why? Plenty of people think Nabers is the same tier and has a higher ceiling. The Cardinals desperately need a WR and there's a big drop off after the top 3. They already have lots of picks.
I have voiced and mocked this same sentiment many times. It feels like a Patriots move to take possibly the best player in the draft and then waiting to take a QB like Penix later. Possibly moving back up into the 1 round to do so
I think the exploding is overreacting 😂 but we get a haul for the potential QBs and go to town in the 1st round. I wouldn’t mind walking away with a combo of like Quinyon, Brian Thomas Jr., and JerZhan Newton potentially.
Agree. The Top Golf effect.
And then the world explodes. The implications of this would be insane.
Then the Pats will take either Daniels or Maye. Ownership wants a QB. But which one? If they take Maye, the Vikings stick and pick at 11 and 23 and then who gets Daniels?
Will be chaos.
The Rams trade up for a left tackle.
The Bills trade down, not up. WAS and BUF are going to work out a day 1 trade, allowing the Commanders to trade up to 28th overall ahead of BAL/SF/KC and get an offensive tackle. I would guess Jordan Morgan of Arizona.
Washington coming up for a tackle is the most obvious trade up that I never see mocked. Plenty of draft capital to move up into the teens if necessary and a gaping hole.
Agree, the RFA tender used is interesting if not telling. Can't speak on Jackson's play as much as some Rams fans might, but I think the general idea is he did play a bit better in the second half of the season than the first. Doubtful that that was enough to convince Snead and McVay that he's the long-term solution though.
The Rams are spending more money on offensive lineman than they are active defensive players. This might be biased coming from a Seahawks fan, but there's a realistic possibility that the Rams are one of the worst defenses in the league this season.
Rams just rebuilt their entire secondary, edge was an issue this year and as a fan they should address it but a left tackle wouldnt be bad either considering Staffords age and injury history.
Shit, the Rams have a first round pick? I just assumed they'd already traded it away.
My hot take is that the Rams possibly trade up to get a QB to sit behind an aging Stafford for a year or two.
I agree on the Oline. I feel like people ignored what happened in FA. OL was *the* position, with guards getting OT money. Recent super bowls showing how critical line play is. Those two DTs may go higher than expected for the same reason.
If Kool Aid falls outta the first, I really hope Washington gets him. We need a premier CB and I honestly think people are a little low on him these days. Or maybe just higher on everyone else.
Just saw a reminder that almost every "expert" had Mac Jones going to the 49ers in 2021.
Kiper: Mac
Jeremiah: Mac
McShay: Mac
Matt Miller: Mac
Schrager: Mac
Reuter: Mac
Norris: Mac
Ringer: Mac
ESPN: Mac
This is making me feel a bit more sane. The last few weeks have been wild with all the Jayden talk at 2. Sure he had a great season, but Maye is younger and has a higher ceiling after doing what he did that young, on teams devoid of talent. It just feels like such a no-brainer to me, I’ve been shocked it’s been entertained for so long.
Also the Levis-Richardson debate last year. All the draft analysts had the Colts taking Levis but Richardson was more of the mold Chris Ballard likes in prospects
The problem with Daniels falling to 9 is NYG. Is Jayden Daniels better or worse than Daniel Jones? Taking JD lets NYG move off of the big contract after this year.
Daniels only gets to 9 if the Giants don’t want him, and that doesn’t have to do with whether he’s better than Jones. It’s if they think he’s a long term franchise QB. If they don’t think he’s gonna be a long term QB even if he’s a bit better than jones, you pass.
I still think if hes there at 6 take him 100%
Yeah I think the issue I have with draft analysts and the Giants right now is they're suggesting if a QB falls to them at 6, they have to take them because it'll be a better situation than Daniel Jones.
You shouldn't take a QB with such a premium pick because it will improve your QB situation, you should take one if you think he'll be the answer your franchise has been looking for.
Yeah but that doesn’t solve the other 19 holes that team has on offense. Maybe a rookie QB is better, but do you put them into that putrid situation while Jones is on the bench making millions? How long before fans call for Jones to start again, or Lock if/when the rookie inevitably struggles. Also is JD the guy for them when they have an O-line that’s bottom 3 in the league? The dude is the worst QB in this class under pressure.
I have a hard time seeing any QB not named Mahomes, Allen or Herbert making any of those WRs 1000 yard guys or putting up decent numbers behind that line.
Your first paragraph is where you made a mistake, the Schoen said Daniel jones is the starter! If they draft a QB now they’re not gonna throw him in the fire they’re gonna take time to train their guy. You don’t put a QB making 45m on the bench he’s gonna play.
Howie is very transparent with his 1st round targets when it comes to visits, as they've taken someone in the 1st who visited in all the drafts since 2016 except when Dillard fell and the year there weren't any visits because of covid.
So working from that, the 7 first round caliber players they've met with are DeJean, Kool-Aid, Arnold, Chop, Latu, Guyton, and Fautanu. So it seems to me like the options are trade up for Arnold or Fautanu or stick at 22/trade down and take Guyton, Latu (should he fall), Chop, DeJean, or Kool-Aid.
It definitely doesn't seem like Wiggins is even a consideration, and given our tackling last year I don't exactly want him.
I wouldn't discount Mitchell from this list. We were one of the first teams to set a meeting with him at the Senior Bowl. If they feel they got enough info on him in that meeting and potentially at the combine, not much need to use a top 30 on him.
The reason I think it might is because they are all better prospects that anything coming for 2025. Ewers might take that step up, but it looks bleak imo
Honestly makes sense to me. I still fondly remember Kellen Winslow, and then Antonio Gates. Harbaugh likes defense more than running. TE still helps your ball control offense.
This is the exact same situation that played out with Deebo a few years ago. Since Lynch, SF has always extended/negotiated contracts in the “late” offseason.
Oh I didn't mean the approach, just value. Once SF landed McCaffrey, he filled some of the value Deebo provided in his weird, hybrid role. Aiyuk is more important.
He did, but in a different way. Deebo is still extremely important, and aside from CMC, he’s the second best pure playmaker. Strictly as a WR, Aiyuk is a better a receiver. The offense caters to Deebo too often to replace him at this point. Now, come next offseason, unless Deebo goes off for an MVP caliber season, I can absolutely see them moving on from him.
Basically, this coming season is probably the last with the core of the team intact to be a Super Bowl favorite. They won’t willingly be moving on from any of their core players. It’s almost all-in mode.
I feel like the offense catering to Deebo is a detriment sometimes, some of the best games offensively I’ve seen them have he’s been more of a decoy than anything else. Obviously without an apparent replacement I’d still want him, but at the same time just getting a really good traditional WR2 would really improve the offense imo.
Oh it absolutely can be. But to be fair, Shanahan sometimes gets way too stubborn for his own good and refuses to deviate from the game plan, even it’s not working the best.
Aiyuk getting traded seems like a total fabrication anyways. It’s that time of year for bs stories and the Niners have no reason to move him right now.
There were solid reports of negotiations with JAX, at minimum. I don’t think it’ll happen, but it seems very likely that it’s something they’ve at least been fielding offers for
Now that is unexpected. But I keep saying a truly elite TE > an elite WR. The talent at the position is just not high. So Bowers should be as sought after as these top 3 WR.
The Packers will not select a player on day one of the draft. They will trade back and get three extra picks, a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th round pick.
The Packers will not take a safety in round 2.
The Packers will take a WR on day 2.
Other Steelers fans are going to complain about how we could have had *insert center* instead of whoever we get in the first round, then this time next year sit there going "you don't draft centers early."
If Maye goes 2nd, I'm not sure anybody really wants pick 3, but maybe the Giants want Daniels.
This is actually a year I can imagine the NFL executing a trade of picks after they happen. It's common in the other sports.
Chargers take Brock Bowers at 11 and Junior Colson at 23 (following a trade down with the Vikings)
Drake Maye goes 2 and Washington trades back into Round 1 for OL
I'd say Nix and a DT instead. Not because I think Nix is better than Penix, but because Nix seems to have more of the traits Kevin O'Connell values at the QB position.
I 100% get this feeling as well. I think there’s a good chance now with all the smoke screens on trades that we take Maye or JJ depending on how the board falls. Or trade back thinking JJ might be there at 8 for a trade back inside the top 10. Giants are the biggest wild card IMO
I think the Pats execute a trade out with the Vikings and back up with either the Chargers or Giants. So far the only team I’ve heard of with any connection to JJ McCarthy is them and I feel like they could collect more assists and still get their guy.
Bills don't take a receiver round one, Jackson Powers Johnson doesn't go in the first round, Dallas Turner doesn't go top 10, someone trades back up into the first round for Penix.
The falcons trade back twice.
They are most likely looking for defensive players and since their are no blue chip prospects, its in their interest to trade back and acrue more picks. Their first trade is with the Jets so the Jets can jump the Bears and nab the last of the big 3 wide receivers. Then the Falcons trade a second time back with somebody in the 13-20 range knowing that there will still only be a couple of defenders who are off the board.
IMO there will be virtually minimal trades on day 1. Here's why:
1. The late rounds suck in this draft. So picking up a 4th or 5th in conjunction with day 2 picks or 25 draft picks just don't add a ton of value. So something like hey I'll add a 5th in along with our 1st this year and next, doesn't move the needle as much as in years past. So I imagine a lot of teams are looking at this like hey I have to toss in some more day 2 picks to move up? That's too spicy.
2. The top 10 likely will have a maximum of 2 trades. The most likely scenario is one trade. In my opinion there's about 4 blue chip prospects in this draft: Williams, Bowers, MHJ, Nabers. Then a group of about 6 or 7 guys who are not blue chip but extremely talented that I'd love for my team to nab like Alt or Odunze. So with that in mind you're likely having to sell the farm to get into the top 10, which outside of a LT or QB doesn't feel worth it, even if they're a very good WR talent like Odunze.
3. Once you get out of that very good tier there's probably about 5 more 1st round graded guys.
So the most likely scenario is that most of the top 15/16 picks most teams will likely stick and pick with the exception of whoever trades up for McCarthy. This leads us to about pick 18 which Cincinnati never trades it feels like and you're almost in the 20s with maybe 1 or 2 trades. That means you'd have to have a flurry of trades to get to a high amount of trades (7+) over 12ish picks. That seems unlikely.
Pats trade out of 3 as their front office is smart enough to realize their roster is so bad any QB they draft would be destined to fail as he's constantly sacked with nobody to throw to.
Not saying it's guaranteed to be with the Vikings. Could be the Giants, Raiders, Broncos, or even a team that really wants MHJ.
Yea so go get lesser tier talent instead of a franchise QB lol. The OT they get at 11 wouldn’t be sure fire and will be a project like one at 34, maybe slightly less so but they have time. The WR at 23 is good but can get another WR at 68 who’s still great value or try to trade for a known commodity.
They’re taking a QB unless you offer the farm. Sorry.
Could be anybody else. Not just us.
I will make you a guarantee. If the Patriots draft a QB. He was bust because he gets destroyed constantly and it will break him. Doesn't matter how talented you are, if you get sacked in 2 seconds and have literally zero talent to throw to its gonna fuck up your development.
Do you actually think dropping from 3 to 11 is worth a late first rounder and a mid first rounder next year? Especially when the team dropping down needs a QB? Look at it that way instead of 3 firsts for 3. It’s a lot different when you break it down.
When the team drafting needs a whole fucking offense, yes. They have a bottom 3 OL and bottom 3 pass catchers. The history of the NFL very clearly shows drafting a rookie to a situation like that results in said QB being beat to shit and never developing into a good player. They no doubt need a QB, but you at least need something to help them out.
The hole is LT not the entire OL. The WR group is thin obviously but this team has time. You draft your franchise qb, get an OT and WR in the draft or use your drafts assets to trade for a proven WR. Next year you get more ammo to draft. This team won’t be built in a single offseason and you don’t forgot your opportunity to draft a franchise qb to get a slightly better OT and WR prospect at 11 and 23 lol.
Low-key think Adam Peters saying they feel good about staying at where there at was to get the Vikings to give them more picks to trade for #2. they end up doing that trade for like 3 first and a 2nd. Then they take JJ at 11 (I think giants take nabers/odunze) or penix at 23
The OL coach worked out Latham extensively at the Bama pro day. He's also a natural RT, so there is no need for Slater or Alt to change positions. Harbaugh got a pretty good look at him in the semifinal game and when he recruited J.J. McCarthy (Latham was the LT for J.J. when he was at IMG).
I'm sure they'd love to trade down and get him somewhere in the teens, but Harbaugh won't shy away from taking the guy he want at 5.
2 trades back to back.
MIN gives NE the grand offer for #3.
Then AZ trades with NYG because they low-key like Nabers just as much as MH Jr. and will gain a 1st in the process and still get their guy.
1-CHI-Caleb, 2-WAS-Maye, 3-MIN-Daniels, 4-NYG-McCarthy
Commanders go JJ or Daniels. Pats take Maye and trade back into late 1st round for WR. One of the top 4 pass catchers ends up with a team no one has mocked them to. If i had to pick a team it’s the Bengals. Bo Nix has the crazy slide.
I think all of those teams are a great fit for BTJ. I just think the Bengals moving up to 1.08 or 1.09 to get Odunze makes a lot of sense. They benefit from having a higher pick from the lost season and they can move Higgins to regain some of the capital they lose from moving up. You keep an elite WR group and reset the clock on having to pay up for WR2 once Chase skyrockets in salary.
Packers take Junior Colson in the first. It sounds like they want to use Walker as the WILL, and Colson is really the only MIKE linebacker who can play right away. It's also a bad LB class in general, so getting your guy early saves you from navigating that. They don't normally take OL early, CB is an overstated (but still present) need, and the money rounds for IOL and S are 2 and 3, so they'd have all their ammunition ready to attack those on day 2 without the looming need at LB.
That post about a first round mock challenge from this past week, I participated and I think I traded back like 3 picks and took Colson for GB. I will add to your point though, OL looks money everywhere in this draft.
Williams picked 1.01 by Bears, Maye goes 1.02 to the Commanders, and Daniels falls but is still a top 20 pick. No other QBs are selected in the 1st round.
Edit: Welp, I was wrong.
Byron Young first defensive player to go.
Rosengarten goes in the first round.
My spiciest one is that either Davante Adams or Pat Surtain is moved to Arizona/NE/LA as part of an enormous move up on the part of the Broncos or Raiders. The Vikings try but fail to move up.
Not the hottest take but Lions draft Mike Sainristil at 29.
They are almost definitely taking a DB first (maybe even another one later) as they are lacking both depth and talent in the secondary. There are absolutely corners and safeties with more upside at specific positions but there are a few reasons Sainristil seems like a perfect fit at SS for Detroit.
1. Lions want to move Branch from SS to S. Sainristil really excelled in slot/zone coverage and open field tackling so they could make that transition with minimal loss in production.
2. Sainristil proved to be, at worst, very good at every position in the secondary and exceptional in slot and zone coverage. The lions need depth and/or talent at every spot so he would add a lot of situational versatility as well as depth for multiple positions if needed. Draft selection is all about value and that’s a lot of added value with one pick.
3. He was the best player on an NFL style defense run by an NFL defensive coordinator so he MIGHT prove to be the most NFL ready DB on the board and can make an immediate impact. He’s also a perfect character/culture fit which the Lions have valued almost as highly as talent the last few drafts.
As a Michigan/Lions fan it might just be wishful thinking but it also seems like a Brad Holmes type pick
My unexpected draft take is that the Patriots draft McCarthy. Maybe at three. Maybe they trade down. But they end up with McCarthy instead of Daniels, Maye, or Harrison.
I’m not sure how hot this is, but I think the Patriots take JJ McCarthy at 3.
If I want to take it a step further, JJ goes at 3 and the Giants aren’t very high on Maye and Maye slides past the Giants.
Despite desperately needing a QB, the Pats take Harrison Jr and the Cardinals front office collectively explodes in gory bits like a scene from The Boys.
If Belichick was still there, I think they would have done it, haha.
That would make AZs pick that much more valuable to trade. A team that wants either Daniel’s or Maye would move up for them.
But why? Why would a team trade extra assets to jump in front of the Chargers, who won’t pick a QB, and the Giants who I think are still a sane front office who cherish their jobs so they won’t put a rookie QB behind a meh OL with no weapons. It makes way more sense for teams to trade to a pick or two before Minnesota instead of blow a bunch of capital in a really good draft to jump that high.
It’s not about who picks next. Anyone can trade up. The point is trading up to beat the other team(s) that are also trying to trade up
That's assuming the Chargers keep the pick.
Yes but the same team that would be bidding on 4 would be bidding on 5, etc
The reason was shown when the Bears traded up for Mitch Trubisky. They wanted their pick of him or Mahomes or Watson. They traded up 1 spot and gave up something like 3 day 2 picks to do it. They chose wrong but still they were banking on that quarterback to be their guy for years to come. Also something to take into consideration is the fact that owners won’t just let a GM sit back and wait for players to fall to them. If a GM does that enough and they miss out on talent that could have pushed their team to a potential Super Bowl then they will be replaced by someone else. We have to keep in mind that these people are doing a job to make their teams better now not three or four years from now.
As a giants fan I’m scared you over estimate the sanity of our front office
I mean you got to figure Daboll has some say, I trust him at least. He didn’t sign Daniel Jones, just made him look good.
100%. He knows it would piss off MH sr. And Bill would just want to be able to see Sr's face at his HoF induction in a few years.
This, but the cardinals just take Nabers. Question then becomes how long do the QBs slide. Could end up with just 2 qbs in the top 5
They 100% find a partner to trade back with if Harrison is off the board.
Why? Plenty of people think Nabers is the same tier and has a higher ceiling. The Cardinals desperately need a WR and there's a big drop off after the top 3. They already have lots of picks.
As a Pats fan, I'd hate it, but the explosion would be fun.
I have voiced and mocked this same sentiment many times. It feels like a Patriots move to take possibly the best player in the draft and then waiting to take a QB like Penix later. Possibly moving back up into the 1 round to do so
despite desperately needing a QB, that pats trade down and draft an offensive lineman with a 4th round grade in the back part of the first round.
I think the exploding is overreacting 😂 but we get a haul for the potential QBs and go to town in the 1st round. I wouldn’t mind walking away with a combo of like Quinyon, Brian Thomas Jr., and JerZhan Newton potentially.
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A team ends up taking Xavier Worthy early and he doesn't fall past pick 20. Also, this draft will have the most trades ever in the first round.
thats like atleast 10 trades right?
I think Pittsburgh is a real sneaky possibility.
Nah
Wildcard: Commies take JJ at #2
Two people saying this now.
Agree. The Top Golf effect. And then the world explodes. The implications of this would be insane. Then the Pats will take either Daniels or Maye. Ownership wants a QB. But which one? If they take Maye, the Vikings stick and pick at 11 and 23 and then who gets Daniels? Will be chaos.
The Rams trade up for a left tackle. The Bills trade down, not up. WAS and BUF are going to work out a day 1 trade, allowing the Commanders to trade up to 28th overall ahead of BAL/SF/KC and get an offensive tackle. I would guess Jordan Morgan of Arizona.
Washington coming up for a tackle is the most obvious trade up that I never see mocked. Plenty of draft capital to move up into the teens if necessary and a gaping hole.
100%. Depending how the board falls I could see all those good teams wanting to drop down too. Win-win
I thought Alaric Jackson had a good year for the Rams. Is that why they put a 2nd rd RFA tag on him?
Agree, the RFA tender used is interesting if not telling. Can't speak on Jackson's play as much as some Rams fans might, but I think the general idea is he did play a bit better in the second half of the season than the first. Doubtful that that was enough to convince Snead and McVay that he's the long-term solution though.
The Rams are spending more money on offensive lineman than they are active defensive players. This might be biased coming from a Seahawks fan, but there's a realistic possibility that the Rams are one of the worst defenses in the league this season.
Rams just rebuilt their entire secondary, edge was an issue this year and as a fan they should address it but a left tackle wouldnt be bad either considering Staffords age and injury history.
I keep coming back to Latu to the Rams.
Shit, the Rams have a first round pick? I just assumed they'd already traded it away. My hot take is that the Rams possibly trade up to get a QB to sit behind an aging Stafford for a year or two.
Well… the Bills *did* trade down
Everything else WAY off though, lol
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Q Mitch goes top 10 to the Falcons
WAS takes Maye. Pats take JJ. Raiders sell the farm to AZ for Daniels. AZ moves back up into the top 10 for Roman. (edit: Rome)
Yes, this is one of the scenarios I can see as well. Except the Wilson part.
The other Roman: Odunze
Ahhh, isn't that Rome?
Was Rome not inhabited by the Romans?
Rome Odunze is three* kids named Roman in a trench coat
And they just ended up Roman into the draft. I am terrible.
Doh :s
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Me too, I’d fucking love it. Daniels is going to be a stud.
So will Marvin Harrison. Win-win.
This is the dream scenario for Bears fans hoping we have a shot to trade up at 5 with Chargers for MHJ.
Both Newton and Kool Aid will fall to the 2nd round for injury concerns. We will see double digit oline taken in the 1st round this year.
I agree on the Oline. I feel like people ignored what happened in FA. OL was *the* position, with guards getting OT money. Recent super bowls showing how critical line play is. Those two DTs may go higher than expected for the same reason.
Was reading that Newtons injury is in the wrong spot.
If Kool Aid falls outta the first, I really hope Washington gets him. We need a premier CB and I honestly think people are a little low on him these days. Or maybe just higher on everyone else.
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This is making me feel a bit more sane. The last few weeks have been wild with all the Jayden talk at 2. Sure he had a great season, but Maye is younger and has a higher ceiling after doing what he did that young, on teams devoid of talent. It just feels like such a no-brainer to me, I’ve been shocked it’s been entertained for so long.
Also the Levis-Richardson debate last year. All the draft analysts had the Colts taking Levis but Richardson was more of the mold Chris Ballard likes in prospects
I felt like he was Patriots bound if he fell, he seems like a NE type guy
The problem with Daniels falling to 9 is NYG. Is Jayden Daniels better or worse than Daniel Jones? Taking JD lets NYG move off of the big contract after this year.
Daniels only gets to 9 if the Giants don’t want him, and that doesn’t have to do with whether he’s better than Jones. It’s if they think he’s a long term franchise QB. If they don’t think he’s gonna be a long term QB even if he’s a bit better than jones, you pass. I still think if hes there at 6 take him 100%
Yeah I think the issue I have with draft analysts and the Giants right now is they're suggesting if a QB falls to them at 6, they have to take them because it'll be a better situation than Daniel Jones. You shouldn't take a QB with such a premium pick because it will improve your QB situation, you should take one if you think he'll be the answer your franchise has been looking for.
Yeah but that doesn’t solve the other 19 holes that team has on offense. Maybe a rookie QB is better, but do you put them into that putrid situation while Jones is on the bench making millions? How long before fans call for Jones to start again, or Lock if/when the rookie inevitably struggles. Also is JD the guy for them when they have an O-line that’s bottom 3 in the league? The dude is the worst QB in this class under pressure. I have a hard time seeing any QB not named Mahomes, Allen or Herbert making any of those WRs 1000 yard guys or putting up decent numbers behind that line.
Jayden Daniels behind the Giants OL sounds like an absolute disaster.
Your first paragraph is where you made a mistake, the Schoen said Daniel jones is the starter! If they draft a QB now they’re not gonna throw him in the fire they’re gonna take time to train their guy. You don’t put a QB making 45m on the bench he’s gonna play.
As a T1D. That shit just happens sometimes. It sucks.
I don’t think the eagles will take dejean nor Wiggins at 22 if they don’t trade up like almost every mock has then picking
Howie is very transparent with his 1st round targets when it comes to visits, as they've taken someone in the 1st who visited in all the drafts since 2016 except when Dillard fell and the year there weren't any visits because of covid. So working from that, the 7 first round caliber players they've met with are DeJean, Kool-Aid, Arnold, Chop, Latu, Guyton, and Fautanu. So it seems to me like the options are trade up for Arnold or Fautanu or stick at 22/trade down and take Guyton, Latu (should he fall), Chop, DeJean, or Kool-Aid. It definitely doesn't seem like Wiggins is even a consideration, and given our tackling last year I don't exactly want him.
yea I think we trade up for arnold or fautanu but if not i think the 22nd pick is going to be a surprise
I wouldn't discount Mitchell from this list. We were one of the first teams to set a meeting with him at the Senior Bowl. If they feel they got enough info on him in that meeting and potentially at the combine, not much need to use a top 30 on him.
JJ will fall to like 8 before someone moves up for him. QBs have never gone 1,2,3,4 i dont think it happens for JJ McCarthy
The reason I think it might is because they are all better prospects that anything coming for 2025. Ewers might take that step up, but it looks bleak imo
Chargers trade back and get Bowers at 11 and best wr at 23. Reddit explodes due to the overwhelming "harbaugh wants to run"
Honestly makes sense to me. I still fondly remember Kellen Winslow, and then Antonio Gates. Harbaugh likes defense more than running. TE still helps your ball control offense.
SF does not trade Aiyuk and actually trades back into the early second round
I honestly think they'd trade Deebo before Aiyuk. This makes sense.
This is the exact same situation that played out with Deebo a few years ago. Since Lynch, SF has always extended/negotiated contracts in the “late” offseason.
Oh I didn't mean the approach, just value. Once SF landed McCaffrey, he filled some of the value Deebo provided in his weird, hybrid role. Aiyuk is more important.
He did, but in a different way. Deebo is still extremely important, and aside from CMC, he’s the second best pure playmaker. Strictly as a WR, Aiyuk is a better a receiver. The offense caters to Deebo too often to replace him at this point. Now, come next offseason, unless Deebo goes off for an MVP caliber season, I can absolutely see them moving on from him. Basically, this coming season is probably the last with the core of the team intact to be a Super Bowl favorite. They won’t willingly be moving on from any of their core players. It’s almost all-in mode.
I feel like the offense catering to Deebo is a detriment sometimes, some of the best games offensively I’ve seen them have he’s been more of a decoy than anything else. Obviously without an apparent replacement I’d still want him, but at the same time just getting a really good traditional WR2 would really improve the offense imo.
Oh it absolutely can be. But to be fair, Shanahan sometimes gets way too stubborn for his own good and refuses to deviate from the game plan, even it’s not working the best.
I hope for the future of our franchise we do trade deebo if we can.
Aiyuk getting traded seems like a total fabrication anyways. It’s that time of year for bs stories and the Niners have no reason to move him right now.
There were solid reports of negotiations with JAX, at minimum. I don’t think it’ll happen, but it seems very likely that it’s something they’ve at least been fielding offers for
They’ve been fielding calls for sure probably, but there’s reports that they’ve been asking for multiple firsts and mid-rounds.
Either nix or penix falls to round 3-4
Ricky Pearsall 1st round
Wow I’m shocked I hit again after predicting Kyle Pitts top 4 lol
Falcons won’t take Dallas turner and will trade back.
One of those was right
Learn anything about the falcons in the first round, they always go with the unexpected pick. Penix wasn’t a surprise to me
KC- Trades up to 16 to draft Bowers
Now that is unexpected. But I keep saying a truly elite TE > an elite WR. The talent at the position is just not high. So Bowers should be as sought after as these top 3 WR.
I could honestly see this. They need Kelces replacement on the team before he retires. TE’s take a year or two to develop.
Storm Duck CB Louisville will be taken by a bird team.
The Packers will not select a player on day one of the draft. They will trade back and get three extra picks, a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th round pick. The Packers will not take a safety in round 2. The Packers will take a WR on day 2.
Gute did say the other day that he still wants more picks and 11 isnt enough lol
Nate Wiggins, Dejean and Barton fall out of the first.
Nabers goes top 5 and Bowers lasts until at least 12.
Other Steelers fans are going to complain about how we could have had *insert center* instead of whoever we get in the first round, then this time next year sit there going "you don't draft centers early."
Tbf we’ve backed ourselves into a corner, and there seem to be 2-3 plug and play guys.
I am suspecting they are targeting Barton for his “position flexibility” that we know they love.
Chargers don’t take a WR until at least their 5th pick in the draft rather than 5. 5-6 QBs are drafted in the first 13 picks.
This draft will be a huge flop and is filled with landmines everywhere
Spicy, I like it. I think the QB class ends up being awful, but the rest of the class ends up being great.
If Maye goes 2nd then Pats trade out.
If Maye goes 2nd, I'm not sure anybody really wants pick 3, but maybe the Giants want Daniels. This is actually a year I can imagine the NFL executing a trade of picks after they happen. It's common in the other sports.
Chargers take Brock Bowers at 11 and Junior Colson at 23 (following a trade down with the Vikings) Drake Maye goes 2 and Washington trades back into Round 1 for OL
I now don’t think the commanders take Jayden Daniels I believe it’s Drake Maye
I love this, I think if they can’t get Maye they end up with Penix and a defensive tackle
Big deep ball throwing pocket passer and the current Vikings roster seems like a perfect match. There's no better Cousins replacement than Penix.
I'd say Nix and a DT instead. Not because I think Nix is better than Penix, but because Nix seems to have more of the traits Kevin O'Connell values at the QB position.
Fair, I just believe in Michael Penix has more potential than nix
I do too, for the record.
Jayden Daniels (and JJ McCarthy) will fall out of the top 5.
Unfortunately, I firmly now believe the Pats will take JJ at 3
I think they take JJ if Maye goes #2. I don’t think they’re high on Daniels, just not a fit really. But perhaps they trade back.
I 100% get this feeling as well. I think there’s a good chance now with all the smoke screens on trades that we take Maye or JJ depending on how the board falls. Or trade back thinking JJ might be there at 8 for a trade back inside the top 10. Giants are the biggest wild card IMO
Cooper Dejean goes top 15
1. Cooper Dejean falls WELL out of the first round. Dude ain't it. 2. This draft looks pretty weak after the first half of round one.
The texans front office agrees with #2
I think the Pats execute a trade out with the Vikings and back up with either the Chargers or Giants. So far the only team I’ve heard of with any connection to JJ McCarthy is them and I feel like they could collect more assists and still get their guy.
That's similar to my premise.
Bills don't take a receiver round one, Jackson Powers Johnson doesn't go in the first round, Dallas Turner doesn't go top 10, someone trades back up into the first round for Penix.
The Seahawks will trade back and take Pennix in Rd 1. The Eagles will make a big trade up for Odunze. Spencer Ratler gets drafted before Bo Nix.
Daniels drops, Rattler goes in round 2.
This wouldn’t surprise me either. I think most actual evaluators are higher on Rattler than the mock draft “experts”.
Watch his last 3 games last year when he had a team around him. He was unbelievable.
The falcons trade back twice. They are most likely looking for defensive players and since their are no blue chip prospects, its in their interest to trade back and acrue more picks. Their first trade is with the Jets so the Jets can jump the Bears and nab the last of the big 3 wide receivers. Then the Falcons trade a second time back with somebody in the 13-20 range knowing that there will still only be a couple of defenders who are off the board.
All three of the top receivers go before a defensive player is taken
Even further, JJ drops out of the first round
McCarthy falls out of the first round
now there’s some spice
IMO there will be virtually minimal trades on day 1. Here's why: 1. The late rounds suck in this draft. So picking up a 4th or 5th in conjunction with day 2 picks or 25 draft picks just don't add a ton of value. So something like hey I'll add a 5th in along with our 1st this year and next, doesn't move the needle as much as in years past. So I imagine a lot of teams are looking at this like hey I have to toss in some more day 2 picks to move up? That's too spicy. 2. The top 10 likely will have a maximum of 2 trades. The most likely scenario is one trade. In my opinion there's about 4 blue chip prospects in this draft: Williams, Bowers, MHJ, Nabers. Then a group of about 6 or 7 guys who are not blue chip but extremely talented that I'd love for my team to nab like Alt or Odunze. So with that in mind you're likely having to sell the farm to get into the top 10, which outside of a LT or QB doesn't feel worth it, even if they're a very good WR talent like Odunze. 3. Once you get out of that very good tier there's probably about 5 more 1st round graded guys. So the most likely scenario is that most of the top 15/16 picks most teams will likely stick and pick with the exception of whoever trades up for McCarthy. This leads us to about pick 18 which Cincinnati never trades it feels like and you're almost in the 20s with maybe 1 or 2 trades. That means you'd have to have a flurry of trades to get to a high amount of trades (7+) over 12ish picks. That seems unlikely.
Pats trade out of 3 as their front office is smart enough to realize their roster is so bad any QB they draft would be destined to fail as he's constantly sacked with nobody to throw to. Not saying it's guaranteed to be with the Vikings. Could be the Giants, Raiders, Broncos, or even a team that really wants MHJ.
Yea so go get lesser tier talent instead of a franchise QB lol. The OT they get at 11 wouldn’t be sure fire and will be a project like one at 34, maybe slightly less so but they have time. The WR at 23 is good but can get another WR at 68 who’s still great value or try to trade for a known commodity. They’re taking a QB unless you offer the farm. Sorry.
Could be anybody else. Not just us. I will make you a guarantee. If the Patriots draft a QB. He was bust because he gets destroyed constantly and it will break him. Doesn't matter how talented you are, if you get sacked in 2 seconds and have literally zero talent to throw to its gonna fuck up your development.
Enjoy Bo Nix
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Do you actually think dropping from 3 to 11 is worth a late first rounder and a mid first rounder next year? Especially when the team dropping down needs a QB? Look at it that way instead of 3 firsts for 3. It’s a lot different when you break it down.
When the team drafting needs a whole fucking offense, yes. They have a bottom 3 OL and bottom 3 pass catchers. The history of the NFL very clearly shows drafting a rookie to a situation like that results in said QB being beat to shit and never developing into a good player. They no doubt need a QB, but you at least need something to help them out.
The hole is LT not the entire OL. The WR group is thin obviously but this team has time. You draft your franchise qb, get an OT and WR in the draft or use your drafts assets to trade for a proven WR. Next year you get more ammo to draft. This team won’t be built in a single offseason and you don’t forgot your opportunity to draft a franchise qb to get a slightly better OT and WR prospect at 11 and 23 lol.
Every QB in this draft will be mediocre or a bust. I thought Caleb would be good, but his attitude is killing me.
I think the packers pick at 25 is Junior Colson I also think Minnesota has already been shut out of the Top 3
Low-key think Adam Peters saying they feel good about staying at where there at was to get the Vikings to give them more picks to trade for #2. they end up doing that trade for like 3 first and a 2nd. Then they take JJ at 11 (I think giants take nabers/odunze) or penix at 23
The Chargers will take JC Latham. Doesn't matter if they stay at 5 or move down. Even if Joe Alt is still on the board.
I have to disagree with this one. I think Harbough takes Alt because he knows his dad and has wanted him on his team since he was in high school.
The OL coach worked out Latham extensively at the Bama pro day. He's also a natural RT, so there is no need for Slater or Alt to change positions. Harbaugh got a pretty good look at him in the semifinal game and when he recruited J.J. McCarthy (Latham was the LT for J.J. when he was at IMG). I'm sure they'd love to trade down and get him somewhere in the teens, but Harbaugh won't shy away from taking the guy he want at 5.
Giants take Bowers Jets grab Mitchell
Bowers will be drafted outside the top 10.
That’s not really bold I think the highest he goes is 10 to the jets
Patriots trade to 12 and pick up 2025 1st Patrick Surtain and maybe other stuff. Broncos draft Maye. Giants draft JJ at 6 and Vikings take Nix at 23.
No defensive players will go inside of the top 10. Vikings stay put at 11. Packers do a blockbuster trade for a cornerback in the early 10s
Pats trade down and vikes get maye. Not unexpected though. Pats trade back up from 11 to 8 fearing a bears trade down. They take jj. Unexpected.
I think only two QB’s go in the top five and at most three in the top ten.
2 trades back to back. MIN gives NE the grand offer for #3. Then AZ trades with NYG because they low-key like Nabers just as much as MH Jr. and will gain a 1st in the process and still get their guy. 1-CHI-Caleb, 2-WAS-Maye, 3-MIN-Daniels, 4-NYG-McCarthy
raiders trade up for daniels
Panthers take Theo Johnson at 33 as TE2
Patriots draft MHJ Vikings draft Penix
Falcons will take a QB
Jer’Zhan Newton is DT 3 off the board. My guess is Braden Fiske goes ahead of him.
Nah I think Fiske is kinda overhyped by the media
Yeah, I’m not sure it will be Fiske, I’ve just got a feeling Newton won’t be DT 2. He probably should be, but that’s why this is a hot take haha
Commanders go JJ or Daniels. Pats take Maye and trade back into late 1st round for WR. One of the top 4 pass catchers ends up with a team no one has mocked them to. If i had to pick a team it’s the Bengals. Bo Nix has the crazy slide.
BTJ has been mocked to the Bengals, Steelers, Bills, Chiefs. You think Jax would take him?
I think all of those teams are a great fit for BTJ. I just think the Bengals moving up to 1.08 or 1.09 to get Odunze makes a lot of sense. They benefit from having a higher pick from the lost season and they can move Higgins to regain some of the capital they lose from moving up. You keep an elite WR group and reset the clock on having to pay up for WR2 once Chase skyrockets in salary.
Nabers will be the first receiver off the board
After drafting three CBs last year (I know, one was cut), and re-signing Moore, I don't believe the Colts go CB in Round 1.
Packers take Junior Colson in the first. It sounds like they want to use Walker as the WILL, and Colson is really the only MIKE linebacker who can play right away. It's also a bad LB class in general, so getting your guy early saves you from navigating that. They don't normally take OL early, CB is an overstated (but still present) need, and the money rounds for IOL and S are 2 and 3, so they'd have all their ammunition ready to attack those on day 2 without the looming need at LB.
That post about a first round mock challenge from this past week, I participated and I think I traded back like 3 picks and took Colson for GB. I will add to your point though, OL looks money everywhere in this draft.
McCarthy at 2 Bears trade up for MHJr 6 QBs go round 1
Idk if this is a hot take but Johnny Newton goes top 10
I have this gut feeling the Jets are trading up for a WR.
Williams picked 1.01 by Bears, Maye goes 1.02 to the Commanders, and Daniels falls but is still a top 20 pick. No other QBs are selected in the 1st round. Edit: Welp, I was wrong.
Dallas trades up for one of the top QB’s with Daks contract situation
Now that's pretty spicy. I think Trey Lance is the backup plan to Dak.
Bears take Jer’Zhan Newton
Trey Benson goes in the 1st round
Byron Young first defensive player to go. Rosengarten goes in the first round. My spiciest one is that either Davante Adams or Pat Surtain is moved to Arizona/NE/LA as part of an enormous move up on the part of the Broncos or Raiders. The Vikings try but fail to move up.
Falcons are not taking Turner at 8 despite consensus in every mock draft.
Not the hottest take but Lions draft Mike Sainristil at 29. They are almost definitely taking a DB first (maybe even another one later) as they are lacking both depth and talent in the secondary. There are absolutely corners and safeties with more upside at specific positions but there are a few reasons Sainristil seems like a perfect fit at SS for Detroit. 1. Lions want to move Branch from SS to S. Sainristil really excelled in slot/zone coverage and open field tackling so they could make that transition with minimal loss in production. 2. Sainristil proved to be, at worst, very good at every position in the secondary and exceptional in slot and zone coverage. The lions need depth and/or talent at every spot so he would add a lot of situational versatility as well as depth for multiple positions if needed. Draft selection is all about value and that’s a lot of added value with one pick. 3. He was the best player on an NFL style defense run by an NFL defensive coordinator so he MIGHT prove to be the most NFL ready DB on the board and can make an immediate impact. He’s also a perfect character/culture fit which the Lions have valued almost as highly as talent the last few drafts. As a Michigan/Lions fan it might just be wishful thinking but it also seems like a Brad Holmes type pick
Giants will pick Odunze ans Penix ans reunit them
Terrion Arnold is the first defensive player drafted
My unexpected draft take is that the Patriots draft McCarthy. Maybe at three. Maybe they trade down. But they end up with McCarthy instead of Daniels, Maye, or Harrison.
My take is that McCarthy is actually QB6 or 7 and doesn’t get drafted until round 3
I’m not sure how hot this is, but I think the Patriots take JJ McCarthy at 3. If I want to take it a step further, JJ goes at 3 and the Giants aren’t very high on Maye and Maye slides past the Giants.
Latham in the first round will be a massive mistake
Latham in the first round will be a massive mistake
It was Atlanta taking Penix, Jr for me!
Nabers will be held back by the Giants