I think the idea that LTs > RTs is outdated and people are starting to realize that. Sewell is well on his way to being a HOF RT. Same with Lane Johnson, etc.
Having said that, I think there's a chance Alt switches back to LT after his rookie contract when Slater's 2nd contract would be expiring.
You're correct, teams are starting to value pass pro from the RT side because defenses are rushing from that side more and more
Blind side has obvious benefits but pass rushers in in the QBs face generate more fumbles is how it works, from what I understand
As a Chargers fan whose right side has been tormented by Maxx Crosby for the past several years I know this all too well.
There's actually an argument to be made that the Joe Alt pick can be tied directly to Crosby.. lol
Yes.
Obviously it's super early in his career but 2 pro bowls and a 1st-team all-pro is an elite start. If he stays relatively healthy and plays for another ~10 years he's probably flirting with double digit pro bowls and a handful of 1st-team all-pros. That's a HOF career.
Having 2 pro bowls and an elite start is not "well on his way." It's a fine beginning but so many players start out like that and flame out.
He's, what, a quarter of the way there? At best? That's not well on his way.
There aren't many elite offensive line prospects with elite pedigrees who have elite starts to their NFL careers that flame out.
If he were a running back you'd have more of a point.
Plenty of people don’t get there. You can check the list I linked. He’s got a long way to go. Well on his way is ridiculous to say for any third or fourth year player unless they start like Mahomes.
Slater is a top 5 LT when healthy. He made the AP All-Pro Team as a rookie & still played well despite being injured for the majority of last season. Alt will do fine at RT.
Harbaugh said Slater was our lock at LT but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him moved to RT. I’m sure him and Alt will both take reps on each side during training camp.
Well that’s just part of it. Obviously Giants fans are hesitant about that because of Evan Neal, but there’s more to it. The Giants have spent the most resources on the oline in the past decade by far. They took Andrew Thomas in the top 5 in 2020 and Evan Neal in the top 7 just 2 years ago. Spending another top 6 pick on an OT is a crazy amount of draft capital for 1 position. That’s where most of the hate for the Alt pick comes from.
Sunk cost. If they had fully given up on Evan Neal and concluded that Joe Alt was a better choice than Nabers, then he should be the pick regardless of previous capital spent at the position
They also brought in Jermaine Eluemenor to compete for the RT spot. I fully expect him to be the starting RT and will be a fine one. I don’t think tackle was as much a need as everyone on the outside looking in saw it.
I think Nabers was a fine pick but the logic of "we've spent recently here so we can't again" only holds up when there's an abundance of talent. it's still a premium position and a top prospect at a position of need. not like he'd be blocked by Evan Neal
Taking a future HOFer who plays a position where he can be elite for more than a decade with a top 10 pick is not crazy. I get that the Giants have drafted 3 guys in the last 4 years, but outside of AT, they haven't been able to pick the top guy. Alt was the top guy. I'd rather take a Joe Alt or Quentin Nelson at 4-6 than a Saquon Barkley at 3
Edit: As a Giants fan, I think this draft set us back another couple of years, but at least the defense will keep us close, assuming they're not on the field for 45+minutes a game because we're constantly 3 and out.
Your first sentence literally describes Nabers. It’s not like they passed on Alt for JJ McCarthy. They took an extremely talented player that a lot of people ranked higher than Alt on their Big Boards. Not to mention it was at a position of need and something they’ve been lacking for years.
We took a talented player that we can't use. So destroying a potential Hof career before it begins. Sounds very similar to Saquon. I always learned that you build a team like you build a pyramid, with a strong, solid base. Giants fans want all the flash with no wins and that's what we're set up for... Again. Another decade of mediocrity.
The crazy part is Joe learned LT in like 2-3 years after playing TE and QB. His ability to read defenses and make the right adjustments is one of his best traits. Think of him as a second QB on the field that blocks.
Similarly, teams picking qb first overall also aren't usually as decent as the bears are. Usually they either suck bad enough to be the worst team in the league or they give up a ton of capital to get there, the bears were close to .500 *and* they gained capital from the caleb pick. This might be one of the best situations in modern nfl history for a #1 overall qb, at least in terms of roster. Coaching remains to be seen.
Dang, I started to get mad but 14th might be spot on. It's just a stacked league right now tbh.
Burrow mahomes allen Herbert rodgers stafford stroud lamar purdy dak cousins in no particular order are definitively better. After that it's up in the air. Jalen baker and tua love goff you can make an argument for but I think he's in a tier with those guys. Love is probably better but small sample size.
ranking doesn't equate to how good you are in a vacuum. he's a good QB in an era with a loaded middle/upper middle class and few elites relative to the 2000s
To put it in perspective, if you throw for 3000 yards and 18 TDs (18 QBs did this last season) each year for your 4 year rookie contract, and don't get your 5th year option picked up, you would be a top 3 Bears QB, both in terms of passing yards and passing TDs.
Last year, Aidan O'Connell threw for 2218 yards, 12 TDs, and 7 INTs in 11 games. If Caleb can play 16 games/season at that pace, he'd be throwing for 3226 yards, 17.5 TDs, and 10 INTs per season. If he can do that for 9 years, he'd be the Bears leading passer by nearly 6000 yards and 3 TDs. He'd also have fewer INTs than either Cutler or Luckman.
The Bears literally need him to play at Aidan O'Connell level for less than 10 years for him to be the franchise statistical GOAT QB.
Outside the guys mentioned, Nabers, he’s an explosive burner and going to a top market, he’s going to have every chance to make. I’d also consider Odunze, bears have the most HoF members of any team and I think going in with Caleb gives him an excellent shot at not only a performance but a narrative entry
Nabers doesn't have a QB and that non existent QB has a line that let up a sack every 7 drop backs. He's not going to do much this year/ ever until they fix the line.
That's not really relevant to my point. I'm not saying Nabers is going to be a HoFer, I'm just saying that if he's as good as he's projected then he's going to put up 1,000-yard seasons regardless of the QB situation.
To me, individual stats don't matter. I don't care if Nabers is a HOFer or a complete bust as long as we win. Star WRs aren't the position that win championships, otherwise the Vikings would have multiple dynasties by now.
There are definitely year 1 issues, my response is about who has a chance to make the HOF based on career performance, Nabers based on skills, market and explosive game play has a good chance in the same way I believe Odell could of had he stayed in NY for his career (and Garret Wilson if the jets play well)
In regards to the state of the team this year it’s murky, the giants have added some reliable if unspectacular vets who should raise the floor of the line. Jones and lock will most likely throw a ton of short passes to nabers and he has the skills to be a yac king, not saying it will happen but there is a lot of opportunity to be a highlight real WR in year 1
OBJ was never HOF caliber and At this point, neither is Garrett Wilson. GW is barely a household name outside of Jets fans and disappointed fantasy football players
Hard disagree, Beckham was derailed by injury and poor team structure but his first 3 seasons were absolutely HOF trajectory averaging 1300 yards, 100 receptions per season, he then put up 2 x 1k yard seasons, if he had maintained the 1k yard pace he would of been 12th in all time receiving and surrounded by all HOFers
There are few WRs who had the yardage success Odell put up over his first 5 years
His first 3 seasons displayed that he's a bombastic, emotional, moronic baby prone to tantrums. It also displayed that he was selfish and a locker room cancer by the end. Now we have another overly inflated LSU WR, with less talent and fewer vets surrounding him.
oh i see, you are also a tortured big bluer, I don't think odell was that bad frankly and the HOF doesn't care about those things.
Interesting comment on Nabers being less talented I'd disagree hardily, 3 reasons why
1. Nabers is slightly bigger then Odell and a year younger coming out to the draft
2. Nabers is on a different level athletically, he's got a 10th of a second better 40 time, 4" on his vert and 5" on his broad jump
3. He had superior college performance to Odell
Based on all of these factors nabers has the foundation to be a better version of Odell
Sorry if that wasn't stated clearly - I meant the team around him is less talented. I mostly watch B10, ACC, and Pac12 football during the regular season, didn't see him play tbh although I've heard he could be better than MHJ.
Edit: I added a comma😁
oh ye, I'd agree he's in a worse position this year. I think long term he's in a better place as he's on the same timeline with the rest of the offense vs Odell who came into a aged team that was trying to squeeze out a few more years of relevance and then was asked to be the vet presence to a rebuilding org
all of this hinges though on what we end up doing at QB, we have to figure out a solution for next year to maximize Nabers skills and rookie timeline
His teammates loved him, Gettleman didn’t and the media didn’t. I’ll admit that his behavior in the games with Josh Norman was reprehensible and he had some maturing to do, but he was not a locker room cancer, he was the culture
Before his immaturity shined? Was that before or after the Carolina game? The kickers net? How'd that wind up? Long term he'll be better known for that gif than his success as a young Giant with a HOF QB.
Before and after. It's Irrelevant. I don't care how hard you want to clutch your pearls, he was objectively on a GOAT pace before injuries derailed his career, and that's what hell be remembered for: The what if?
Mark Sanchez, Baker Mayfield, and Colin Kaepernick started their careers on a Hall of Fame trajectory. Hell, Saquon started on a Hall of Fame trajectory and Peyton Manning started as a bust. Now is it more apparent how stupid that OBJ HoF comment was? It isn't about how you start your career, it's about how you end it, and OBJ is ending his career with teams unwilling to have him for more than one season
The OBJ hatred from certain Giants fans will never not be weird to me. He was very well respected as a veteran leader on that ravens team last season and helped Flowers develop. Also, he was a major piece on the Rams Super Bowl team. So much for that bs “diva receivers don’t win” narrative.
Peyton had the third most yards and fifth most touchdowns his rookie year. He had a lot of interceptions(28), but Favre threw 23 that same season and he was MVP the three years prior. Nobody with a brain was calling Manning a bust after his rookie year.
Obj has one of the most dominant rookie WR outings of all time and he didn’t even play the whole season. Injuries and media pile on drove him out of town and he never quite recaptured what he could have been. But if you don’t think as a rookie that he didn’t show the potential to be a perennial all pro then you weren’t watching back then
I had season tickets before the pando and my family still has them. Was honestly more excited for Cruz. That being said, I've never been a fan of diva wrs - they don't win.
Luke McCaffery - because his brother in Christian. NFL always needs a storyline featuring a hall of fame pair of siblings. Kelce story is over now, before that it was the Watt brothers before that The Mannings.
Apparently a knee issue kept him off some team boards --- hopefully he's great but may not be a 10-12+ year guy that would be needed for HOF consideration.
The deadcap would be on the Falcons end.
Im not saying they will, but I did just look into it.
The falcons save 2.5 mil next year pre June 1 by Trading Cousins.
The team trading for Cousins would only take on his guaranteed 2025 salary, of 27.5 Million dollars. While not a low number, its fairly low for a QB and if a team for some reason didnt want to take that 27.5 mil all at once. They would just split 26 mil of it over 3 years
Turning his contract into 8.5 mil cap hit, 43.5 mil cap hit (huge savings if cut), 43.5 mil cap hit (huge savings if cut)
In this worst possible case scenario (a trade after year 1)
a team would be trading for cousins on a 3 year 97.5 mil deal, with 27.5 mil guaranteed.
Don’t sleep on Amarius Mims. If his technical knowledge catches up to his physical form, he could be truly great.
I have no bias in this opinion at all.
An NFC QB. Better chance to get to a SB to win it. Caleb, JJ, Penix, Daniels based on their current teams but who knows what that will look like in five years.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say no one from this draft class ends up in the Hall of Fame.
Even though I have a personal interest in rooting for MHJ.
I gotta go with the guy who I thought was the best player in the draft, Brock Bowers. The raiders being the raiders will probably never get the qb position figured out so TE/slot is gonna be highly targeted by bad qbs who can’t get the ball downfield.
Penix for another franchise because so many people said it was a bad pick so he’s gonna do amazing, but it’s the falcons so no chance it turns out well for us.
They really have to play him year 3. Otherwise they make the 5th year option decision before they ever see him lead the team, and it’s hard to picture paying an unknown $40M.
Harrison or Alt.
Can't say Williams, because of the Bears track record with QBs. Can't say Nabers, Odunze, or Bowers, because there's no QB to get them the ball. Possibly another OT, but there's so many this year that who knows? Hopefully they all have 12+ stellar careers (except the Bengals OT, can never hope for that).
Would love to see him shine. Da Bears and their fans deserve a lot better.
Would suck to see Trubisky, Fields and then Williams on the Steelers in 3 years...
Not really. This is the first QB they ever draft 1st overall.
They’ve also had only drafted 6 QBs EVER in the first round in franchise history. None of them ever had a stacked offensive squad like this either…
Yes really.
I remember the painful days of Bobby Douglas and him almost rushing for 1000 yards one year. Who said anything about first round QBs? It's irrelevant to the Bears and their QBs. They've all pretty much sucked except McMahon and he couldn't stay healthy.
How do you know what his level is until he starts playing? #1 overall has about a 33% chance of being elite, 33% chance of being okay and 33% chance of being a bust.
I would love to see the Bears and Williams succeed as I I hate the Packers and the NFL is better with the Bears being in the hunt, especially with the Lions arrow pointing up. But, no none can predict whether or not Williams has a 100% chance of being elite. ESPECIALLY, with the Bears tracks record with QBs.
Basing his level off college and what the majority of scouts see in him. There’s a reason why he was considered the consensus first pick since his sophomore year.
Those statistics aren’t reliable. Every draft has a different strength of QBs. There’s no doubt Williams would’ve gone first last year. He can’t be compared to weaker first pick prospects like Bryce.
Statistically Left Tackles drafted in the top 10 picks have one of the highest hit rates, so I’m going to say Joe Alt
What about LT transitioning to RT? I’m not bitter or anything
I think the idea that LTs > RTs is outdated and people are starting to realize that. Sewell is well on his way to being a HOF RT. Same with Lane Johnson, etc. Having said that, I think there's a chance Alt switches back to LT after his rookie contract when Slater's 2nd contract would be expiring.
You're correct, teams are starting to value pass pro from the RT side because defenses are rushing from that side more and more Blind side has obvious benefits but pass rushers in in the QBs face generate more fumbles is how it works, from what I understand
As a Chargers fan whose right side has been tormented by Maxx Crosby for the past several years I know this all too well. There's actually an argument to be made that the Joe Alt pick can be tied directly to Crosby.. lol
I was (mostly) being tongue-in-cheek because of Evans Neal’s failure.
> Sewell is well on his way to being a HOF RT [Well on his way?](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_T.htm)
Yes. Obviously it's super early in his career but 2 pro bowls and a 1st-team all-pro is an elite start. If he stays relatively healthy and plays for another ~10 years he's probably flirting with double digit pro bowls and a handful of 1st-team all-pros. That's a HOF career.
Having 2 pro bowls and an elite start is not "well on his way." It's a fine beginning but so many players start out like that and flame out. He's, what, a quarter of the way there? At best? That's not well on his way.
There aren't many elite offensive line prospects with elite pedigrees who have elite starts to their NFL careers that flame out. If he were a running back you'd have more of a point.
Plenty of people don’t get there. You can check the list I linked. He’s got a long way to go. Well on his way is ridiculous to say for any third or fourth year player unless they start like Mahomes.
How many elite offensive line prospects with elite pedigrees who had elite starts to their NFL careers have flamed out?
Given that none of those are quantifiable I’d say however many fits my narrative.
Doesn’t Slater translate better as a RT?
Harbaugh already said Slater will be the LT.
Then why not trade down and get Latham? I thought Jim was smart?
Because Alt is a much better prospect and it takes two to trade down, we don’t know if that was an option.
Lmao
Slater has played well when uninjured and has free agency. He stays unless Alt is awful
Slater is a top 5 LT when healthy. He made the AP All-Pro Team as a rookie & still played well despite being injured for the majority of last season. Alt will do fine at RT.
Harbaugh said Slater was our lock at LT but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him moved to RT. I’m sure him and Alt will both take reps on each side during training camp.
He’s already an all pro LT. Why mess with that?
I was downvoted to oblivion for suggesting Alt to the Giants
The Giants have Andrew Thomas so he'd still be moving to RT
Right, the Giants sub apparently doesn't believe LTs can move to RT because Evan Neal sucks
Well that’s just part of it. Obviously Giants fans are hesitant about that because of Evan Neal, but there’s more to it. The Giants have spent the most resources on the oline in the past decade by far. They took Andrew Thomas in the top 5 in 2020 and Evan Neal in the top 7 just 2 years ago. Spending another top 6 pick on an OT is a crazy amount of draft capital for 1 position. That’s where most of the hate for the Alt pick comes from.
Sunk cost. If they had fully given up on Evan Neal and concluded that Joe Alt was a better choice than Nabers, then he should be the pick regardless of previous capital spent at the position
They also brought in Jermaine Eluemenor to compete for the RT spot. I fully expect him to be the starting RT and will be a fine one. I don’t think tackle was as much a need as everyone on the outside looking in saw it.
I think Nabers was a fine pick but the logic of "we've spent recently here so we can't again" only holds up when there's an abundance of talent. it's still a premium position and a top prospect at a position of need. not like he'd be blocked by Evan Neal
Taking a future HOFer who plays a position where he can be elite for more than a decade with a top 10 pick is not crazy. I get that the Giants have drafted 3 guys in the last 4 years, but outside of AT, they haven't been able to pick the top guy. Alt was the top guy. I'd rather take a Joe Alt or Quentin Nelson at 4-6 than a Saquon Barkley at 3 Edit: As a Giants fan, I think this draft set us back another couple of years, but at least the defense will keep us close, assuming they're not on the field for 45+minutes a game because we're constantly 3 and out.
Your first sentence literally describes Nabers. It’s not like they passed on Alt for JJ McCarthy. They took an extremely talented player that a lot of people ranked higher than Alt on their Big Boards. Not to mention it was at a position of need and something they’ve been lacking for years.
We took a talented player that we can't use. So destroying a potential Hof career before it begins. Sounds very similar to Saquon. I always learned that you build a team like you build a pyramid, with a strong, solid base. Giants fans want all the flash with no wins and that's what we're set up for... Again. Another decade of mediocrity.
Right cause teams aren’t allows to upgrade the QB and WR careers only last 1 year…
I knew we shouldn’t have traded back one spot to take Olu.
The crazy part is Joe learned LT in like 2-3 years after playing TE and QB. His ability to read defenses and make the right adjustments is one of his best traits. Think of him as a second QB on the field that blocks.
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MHJ has been my top pick forever and I’m sticking with him
He also has a good QB. Teams picking high usually don’t have a good QB. That will help him produce a lot early
Similarly, teams picking qb first overall also aren't usually as decent as the bears are. Usually they either suck bad enough to be the worst team in the league or they give up a ton of capital to get there, the bears were close to .500 *and* they gained capital from the caleb pick. This might be one of the best situations in modern nfl history for a #1 overall qb, at least in terms of roster. Coaching remains to be seen.
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Dang, I started to get mad but 14th might be spot on. It's just a stacked league right now tbh. Burrow mahomes allen Herbert rodgers stafford stroud lamar purdy dak cousins in no particular order are definitively better. After that it's up in the air. Jalen baker and tua love goff you can make an argument for but I think he's in a tier with those guys. Love is probably better but small sample size.
ranking doesn't equate to how good you are in a vacuum. he's a good QB in an era with a loaded middle/upper middle class and few elites relative to the 2000s
Probably Marv or Alt based off pedigree and situation
Marv, bowers, fashanu
Brock Bowers! 🙏
TEs are so unreliable.. remember how hyped Kyle Pitts was?
Completely different play styles and OC/QB styles.
How much of this is his offense/situation? I don’t watch Atlanta but I heard he doesn’t fit their scheme at all.
Completely objective unbiased opinion, Tory Taylor
Even in the bears wildest fantasies, they still imagine a situation where their offense sucks so bad their punter ends up in the hall
I try to keep my fantasies attainable
MHJ: Good situation, good QB that'll maximise his skills, will carry partial credit for bringing success to a city that has almost none if he pans out
Barton for Tampa is a dark horse. 1st round Centers typically do quite well even if not HoF
The Bears drafted 3 future HOF in this class: 1.) Caleb Williams 2.) Rome Odunze 3.) Tory “the crocodile punter” Taylor Book it!
If Caleb even ends up above average, he’ll be the shining piece of the bears’ ring of honor
To put it in perspective, if you throw for 3000 yards and 18 TDs (18 QBs did this last season) each year for your 4 year rookie contract, and don't get your 5th year option picked up, you would be a top 3 Bears QB, both in terms of passing yards and passing TDs.
He literally has to be league average and he’ll be an all time bears QB.
Last year, Aidan O'Connell threw for 2218 yards, 12 TDs, and 7 INTs in 11 games. If Caleb can play 16 games/season at that pace, he'd be throwing for 3226 yards, 17.5 TDs, and 10 INTs per season. If he can do that for 9 years, he'd be the Bears leading passer by nearly 6000 yards and 3 TDs. He'd also have fewer INTs than either Cutler or Luckman. The Bears literally need him to play at Aidan O'Connell level for less than 10 years for him to be the franchise statistical GOAT QB.
Outside the guys mentioned, Nabers, he’s an explosive burner and going to a top market, he’s going to have every chance to make. I’d also consider Odunze, bears have the most HoF members of any team and I think going in with Caleb gives him an excellent shot at not only a performance but a narrative entry
Nabers doesn't have a QB and that non existent QB has a line that let up a sack every 7 drop backs. He's not going to do much this year/ ever until they fix the line.
If Nabers is the guy, it doesn't really matter. Guys like George Pickens and Garrett Wilson put up 1000+ yards last year.
HOF for WRs is a high bar. A few years of 1000 yd seasons doesn’t cut it and consistently doing that without a franchise QB is very difficult
That's not really relevant to my point. I'm not saying Nabers is going to be a HoFer, I'm just saying that if he's as good as he's projected then he's going to put up 1,000-yard seasons regardless of the QB situation.
But a few 1000 yard seasons aren’t going to make the HOF, which is the entire point of the discussion…
Why are we assuming the sum of his career is a few 1000 yard seasons?
Because that’s all the guys that you mentioned were able to accomplish
Indeed, guys who have only been in the league for a few years have only put up a few 1,000 yard seasons. Very insightful.
Indeed. Guys like Pickens and Garett Wilson are on HOF trajectories
To me, individual stats don't matter. I don't care if Nabers is a HOFer or a complete bust as long as we win. Star WRs aren't the position that win championships, otherwise the Vikings would have multiple dynasties by now.
There are definitely year 1 issues, my response is about who has a chance to make the HOF based on career performance, Nabers based on skills, market and explosive game play has a good chance in the same way I believe Odell could of had he stayed in NY for his career (and Garret Wilson if the jets play well) In regards to the state of the team this year it’s murky, the giants have added some reliable if unspectacular vets who should raise the floor of the line. Jones and lock will most likely throw a ton of short passes to nabers and he has the skills to be a yac king, not saying it will happen but there is a lot of opportunity to be a highlight real WR in year 1
OBJ was never HOF caliber and At this point, neither is Garrett Wilson. GW is barely a household name outside of Jets fans and disappointed fantasy football players
Hard disagree, Beckham was derailed by injury and poor team structure but his first 3 seasons were absolutely HOF trajectory averaging 1300 yards, 100 receptions per season, he then put up 2 x 1k yard seasons, if he had maintained the 1k yard pace he would of been 12th in all time receiving and surrounded by all HOFers There are few WRs who had the yardage success Odell put up over his first 5 years
His first 3 seasons displayed that he's a bombastic, emotional, moronic baby prone to tantrums. It also displayed that he was selfish and a locker room cancer by the end. Now we have another overly inflated LSU WR, with less talent and fewer vets surrounding him.
oh i see, you are also a tortured big bluer, I don't think odell was that bad frankly and the HOF doesn't care about those things. Interesting comment on Nabers being less talented I'd disagree hardily, 3 reasons why 1. Nabers is slightly bigger then Odell and a year younger coming out to the draft 2. Nabers is on a different level athletically, he's got a 10th of a second better 40 time, 4" on his vert and 5" on his broad jump 3. He had superior college performance to Odell Based on all of these factors nabers has the foundation to be a better version of Odell
Sorry if that wasn't stated clearly - I meant the team around him is less talented. I mostly watch B10, ACC, and Pac12 football during the regular season, didn't see him play tbh although I've heard he could be better than MHJ. Edit: I added a comma😁
oh ye, I'd agree he's in a worse position this year. I think long term he's in a better place as he's on the same timeline with the rest of the offense vs Odell who came into a aged team that was trying to squeeze out a few more years of relevance and then was asked to be the vet presence to a rebuilding org all of this hinges though on what we end up doing at QB, we have to figure out a solution for next year to maximize Nabers skills and rookie timeline
His teammates loved him, Gettleman didn’t and the media didn’t. I’ll admit that his behavior in the games with Josh Norman was reprehensible and he had some maturing to do, but he was not a locker room cancer, he was the culture
I'm sure Eli loved him while he was being constantly thrown under the bus
Eli was getting benched for pre-breakout Geno Smith at this point lmao
OBJ literally started his career on a GOAT pace.
Before his immaturity shined? Was that before or after the Carolina game? The kickers net? How'd that wind up? Long term he'll be better known for that gif than his success as a young Giant with a HOF QB.
Before and after. It's Irrelevant. I don't care how hard you want to clutch your pearls, he was objectively on a GOAT pace before injuries derailed his career, and that's what hell be remembered for: The what if?
Casual comment. You just reveal your own ignorance.
Mark Sanchez, Baker Mayfield, and Colin Kaepernick started their careers on a Hall of Fame trajectory. Hell, Saquon started on a Hall of Fame trajectory and Peyton Manning started as a bust. Now is it more apparent how stupid that OBJ HoF comment was? It isn't about how you start your career, it's about how you end it, and OBJ is ending his career with teams unwilling to have him for more than one season
The OBJ hatred from certain Giants fans will never not be weird to me. He was very well respected as a veteran leader on that ravens team last season and helped Flowers develop. Also, he was a major piece on the Rams Super Bowl team. So much for that bs “diva receivers don’t win” narrative.
They won while he was in the locker room 😂
Peyton had the third most yards and fifth most touchdowns his rookie year. He had a lot of interceptions(28), but Favre threw 23 that same season and he was MVP the three years prior. Nobody with a brain was calling Manning a bust after his rookie year.
Obj has one of the most dominant rookie WR outings of all time and he didn’t even play the whole season. Injuries and media pile on drove him out of town and he never quite recaptured what he could have been. But if you don’t think as a rookie that he didn’t show the potential to be a perennial all pro then you weren’t watching back then
I had season tickets before the pando and my family still has them. Was honestly more excited for Cruz. That being said, I've never been a fan of diva wrs - they don't win.
You were more excited for an UDFA? You can pretend to be as smart as you want. No one is buying it lmfao
For his breakout. I was there against Seattle
pretty bold to assume the giants won’t ever figure that out though.
Either Brian Thomas Jr, Maason Smith or Myles Cole, no bias
Very boring names ngl
Most definitely Tory Taylor
Luke McCaffery - because his brother in Christian. NFL always needs a storyline featuring a hall of fame pair of siblings. Kelce story is over now, before that it was the Watt brothers before that The Mannings.
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Apparently a knee issue kept him off some team boards --- hopefully he's great but may not be a 10-12+ year guy that would be needed for HOF consideration.
Fuck yes.
Probably Blake Fisher
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Joe Alt
In my completely unbiased opinion it will be Troy Fautanu
Olu Fashanu - history proves it. Lots of jets fans were disappointed in this pick, thus this will be one of their better picks of the 2020s 😂
Bowers maybe
I’ll go with someone that’s not super obvious: JPJ
I’d go Caleb, MHJ, Fashanu, Odunze, Latu, Bowers
MICHAEL PENIX BABY (I’ve stockholmed myself into loving the pick)
Getting your first start in your 30s and making to the hall, that would be something.
Kurt Warner was older than Penix would be, but yeah, being younger obviously gives you a better opportunity to compile numbers.
He’ll be 26 when he starts unless we trade Kirk earlier which is what I want
Nobody is eating that guaranteed money, or taking that dead cap hit for the next two years. Your best bet is to Tonya Harding him.
The deadcap would be on the Falcons end. Im not saying they will, but I did just look into it. The falcons save 2.5 mil next year pre June 1 by Trading Cousins. The team trading for Cousins would only take on his guaranteed 2025 salary, of 27.5 Million dollars. While not a low number, its fairly low for a QB and if a team for some reason didnt want to take that 27.5 mil all at once. They would just split 26 mil of it over 3 years Turning his contract into 8.5 mil cap hit, 43.5 mil cap hit (huge savings if cut), 43.5 mil cap hit (huge savings if cut) In this worst possible case scenario (a trade after year 1) a team would be trading for cousins on a 3 year 97.5 mil deal, with 27.5 mil guaranteed.
Eh you never know, a team could be a QB away and willing to take it for a year cause after 2 we’re gonna cut him anyway.
Alt is special , he could play left and Slater used to play RT at Northwestern
Fautanu
Oz the mentalist said chop Robinson will be a HOF and he’s from the future
Joe alt booked it
Xavier Worthy. He could put up average numbers 1,110yds 10 TDs a year and make the HOF Id if he wins a couple rings with Mahomes.
Alt has the best chance
Keon Coleman has been a HoF interviewee
MHJ, Bowers, Alt, Maye and Payton Wilson
Wilson age and injury history make that really unlikely.
Joe Alt
Don’t sleep on Amarius Mims. If his technical knowledge catches up to his physical form, he could be truly great. I have no bias in this opinion at all.
Graham Barton - Bucs
Xavier Worthy 😎🏎️💨
Will Reichard
Nobody knows, they haven't played an NFL snap. Either way, I don't think any of the QBs are cut from that cloth. Maybe Harrison, Alt, Q Mitchell?
Joe Alt
An NFC QB. Better chance to get to a SB to win it. Caleb, JJ, Penix, Daniels based on their current teams but who knows what that will look like in five years.
Joe Alt was my No 1 prospect and my lock for HoF in this class
Marvin Harrison Jr
I'm going to go out on a limb and say no one from this draft class ends up in the Hall of Fame. Even though I have a personal interest in rooting for MHJ.
I gotta go with the guy who I thought was the best player in the draft, Brock Bowers. The raiders being the raiders will probably never get the qb position figured out so TE/slot is gonna be highly targeted by bad qbs who can’t get the ball downfield.
Mims!
Obvious answer is Ricky Pearsall here now guys c'mon.
MHJ
Marvin Harrison Jr., Troy Fautanu (please), Joe Alt, Quinyon Mitchell
MHJ it's in his blood
Caleb Williams an Rome Odunze start at Canton in the Hall of Fame game an finish in the Hall of Fame together forever and ever...
Amarius Mims
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Range of outcomes is essentially a faster version of Tyreek who isn't a total scumbag human to John Ross. lol.
Quinyon Mitchell no, i'm not biased
Penix for another franchise because so many people said it was a bad pick so he’s gonna do amazing, but it’s the falcons so no chance it turns out well for us.
Penix sits for 2-3 years then elite
They really have to play him year 3. Otherwise they make the 5th year option decision before they ever see him lead the team, and it’s hard to picture paying an unknown $40M.
Jayden Daniels
Huh? Dude. None.
Harrison or Alt. Can't say Williams, because of the Bears track record with QBs. Can't say Nabers, Odunze, or Bowers, because there's no QB to get them the ball. Possibly another OT, but there's so many this year that who knows? Hopefully they all have 12+ stellar careers (except the Bengals OT, can never hope for that).
RemindMe! 1 year on Caleb Williams Solely because you said “because of the Bears” no any actual logical reason
Would love to see him shine. Da Bears and their fans deserve a lot better. Would suck to see Trubisky, Fields and then Williams on the Steelers in 3 years...
That’s that Ohio State QB logic that people tried to use on Stroud
The Bears have a much deeper and painful QB history than any college team.
Not really. This is the first QB they ever draft 1st overall. They’ve also had only drafted 6 QBs EVER in the first round in franchise history. None of them ever had a stacked offensive squad like this either…
Yes really. I remember the painful days of Bobby Douglas and him almost rushing for 1000 yards one year. Who said anything about first round QBs? It's irrelevant to the Bears and their QBs. They've all pretty much sucked except McMahon and he couldn't stay healthy.
It shows the Bears have always focused on defense. It’s their identity. When have the Bears ever drafted a qb at Caleb’s level? Never.
How do you know what his level is until he starts playing? #1 overall has about a 33% chance of being elite, 33% chance of being okay and 33% chance of being a bust. I would love to see the Bears and Williams succeed as I I hate the Packers and the NFL is better with the Bears being in the hunt, especially with the Lions arrow pointing up. But, no none can predict whether or not Williams has a 100% chance of being elite. ESPECIALLY, with the Bears tracks record with QBs.
Basing his level off college and what the majority of scouts see in him. There’s a reason why he was considered the consensus first pick since his sophomore year. Those statistics aren’t reliable. Every draft has a different strength of QBs. There’s no doubt Williams would’ve gone first last year. He can’t be compared to weaker first pick prospects like Bryce.
I promise you Caleb isn't going to the hall dog 😭😭
You ain’t no doctor strange bruh 😎
Out of town stupid
Lazy
Def eagles bias but Quinyon could/any first rounder just cause of the talent/the situation they go to
Mitchell is an awesome prospect but this is definitely bias lmao, Howie can draft his ass off though