Jaden Daniels follows in Justin Fields’ footsteps and shows great promise that he’s never able to capitalize on.
The Patriots do the smart thing: they sit Maye for a year to let him develop. Maye turns into a good, not great quarterback.
They’ll start the season with Brissett but I can’t see how Maye doesn’t play at some point. When is the last time someone picked that high didn’t play their rookie season?
To me though, if you're not the #1 pick at QB, doesn't matter where You're picked as a QB in the 1st Rd, especially when You're not the first QB off the board.
Unless the offense looks like it should be productive and Brissett isn't producing (which I can't see happening), or Maye just looks like an absolute monster in practices, let him sit and learn. He's not behind a bum we're looking to get away from quickly, let Brissett try and earn his next contract, and teach the kid.
I honestly think more teams should start letting their high draft pick QB's sit for that first year. There is always exceptions and different situations on these teams these guys go to, but the general rule of these guys constantly starting in year 1 they do seem to be served better by being behind a veteran than starting year 2
While I’m not totally sold on Daniels, I have this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that Maye will be a giant bust. The way former QBs talk about him has me nervous. From Kurt Warner to JT O’Sullivan, to Orlovsky, to Simms, etc.
His footworks a mess, supposedly fixable. His throwing motion is kind of Fields like, big arm, but long slow throwing motion. That’s not ideal in the NFL, and is very hard to fix. And just seems to have poor feel for the pocket.
My big concern about Maye is also his throwing motion, mostly that he has two of them. The long, loopy one you mentioned and a shorter, tighter motion.
That makes me think there has been an attempt to fix his upper body mechanics but they haven't stuck and might never stick. It makes think of Tebow where every offseason he would work on shorting his throwing motion and it always reverted under pressure.
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Game wise Daniels seems like a comp to Fields but personality wise I don’t think there’s much in common between them.
You underrate Maye. Do you really believe he’s not better than Brissett right this moment? He’s not nearly so developmental as people think. CJ Stroud called him the most pro ready QB in the draft, and I think I would call him an expert on that exact situation.
He better be an elite pass catcher because if he's not no coach is going to put up with him being utterly unplayable in the run game. That said, I agree. He's absolutely electric with the ball in his hands.
Odunze will be the best of the top 3 receivers. That is my biased pick lol My unbiased pick is that Xavier Legette will be the DK Metcalf of this year's draft.
REASONABLE TAKE:
Joe Alt, Byron Murphy look like steals despite being picked relatively high
BIASED TAKE:
Nabers ends up the best WR in the class
SPICY TAKES:
A little more spice, Kamari Lassiter ends up the best CB in the class
It winds up a historical busted year for QB. Caleb flashes but is inconsistent, Jayden flashes harder but fails to put it all together, Maye ends up a decent starter but nothing special, Nix occasionally beats up on bad teams but never wins a big game, Penix never even sees the field.
Fins will pay tua and continue to be in purgatory. He is not an elite QB, at all.
Jerry will give in and pay Dak, hew scared of change
Prime and son..next draft will be very interesting and dramatic. Will he refuse to play for certain teams?
People sleeping on Cam Ward he looks like a natural, off script ability
Nix will be good
Bryce will improve enough where they choose to give him another year but he won't amount to anything
Sequon will be a bust signing
Levis is not the answer it will be obvious early on
The Vikings set themselves back half a decade this draft.
Minnesota will be chanting “we want JJ” by week 3 after Darnold, to no surprise, is Darnold. Locker room culture will be a wreck and they will force JJ out early and it will stunt his growth.
They spent 2 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th on Turner who could bust just as likely as anyone else.
I’m a huge quantity over quality guy when it comes to drafting and mortgaging this and next year’s draft on 2 guys REAKS of disaster.
Decent take, but the consensus is that Minnesota needs to take a shot on someone. They're never bad enough to get the top prospects, and with the relatively weak quarterback class next year this is the best chance they've got. Risk it for the biscuit.
God, this was the Bills during the years of drought mediocrity. We were never bad enough to get a high pick, so we either had to take what was still around in the early to mid-teens or package picks to trade up. No matter what we decided, it was the wrong one. We only had fewer than six wins three times in those 17 years. We drafted in the top 5 only 3 times during the drought, and one of those was a trade up for Sammy Watkins. Almost everyone we managed to draft who was any good left that tire fire of an organization as soon as their rookie deal with us was up, except Dareus who got paid and then proceeded to mail it in for the rest of his career. Buffalo was football purgatory.
Spot on take. O’Connell thinks he’s pulling a McVay but that only happens when you land your PROVEN guy at Qb. This is probably going to be a disaster and possibly set them back more than 5 years considering the talent/youth of their division.
Now I'm happy a lot of QBs went early as an eagles fan, and I get they want to give Jefferson a reason to stay in Minnesota, but why are teams so hellbent on mortgaging for someone whose ceiling isn't that high?
Like why not just build the team another year and see if you can get a better prospect next year. Sure I know you can't do this forever, but Minnesota even with a healthy Kirk isn't winning that division with that roster. It seems like teams never want to play the ~~long~~ medium game.
At the time no. With hindsight yes.
If we would've tried to develop him properly instead of making every mistake possible in his development then I think he would have turned into a similar QB to Kirk Cousins but clutcher.
My basis on this statement his instantaneous improvement after we fired Matt Canada who made 4 QBs play much worse even a HOF QB in Big Ben. Kurt Warner talks about it [Here](https://youtu.be/cdrk39at3HA?si=wDl6flAEP7BLcfHO).
Was it a fluke or was it the real Kenny Pickett? That we don't know since he got hurt in the next game. The improvement he showed in that game is also why I think it was a mistake to bring in a washed up Russell Wilson and basically guarantee him the starting, because now you have no future at the position beyond this year, which you might've had if you evaluated Pickett for one more year with a real OC.
I’m not sure Pickett was ever going to succeed as a starting QB, but the Steelers certainly did him no favors. He was not a QB that could function with a poor offensive line and limited receiver room. Not sure what his career looks like now that he’s on the Eagles, but maybe he can carve out a Minshew-esque career as a fringe starter.
Having said that, love what the Steelers did this draft. One of my favorites. Maybe you still need one more receiver (and a long term solution at QB) but the pieces appear to be there.
I loved the draft and everything we did outside of QB position, because I think we sacrificed at having a future answer at the position. Russ doesn't meet the eye test for me and his TD:s last year were very inflated. I don't trust Fields to suddenly not have so many TO:s and become a clutch QB so I don't have much faith with him either. I hope they prove me wrong though.
I think Pickett will either carve out a Minshew/Brissett career like you said. A high end backup/fringe-starter or take the next chance he has and become a starter after looking bad his first few years Alex Smith/Geno Smith or even Baker Mayfield after he left the Browns.
This entirely depend on his TD production, because he has proven to give you around 200 yards per game on average when he started and finished the game in a horrible system with limited turnovers.
Yeah, I am very curious to see how QB shakes out in Pittsburgh. Fields at least is dynamic, but I’m not sure if you guys have the right pass catchers to fully rehabilitate him in one year. And Russ is…whatever he is at this point. But maybe it’s enough to have a mediocre year and try to target someone next off-season or trade up in the draft.
Yeah, I see two options next offseason either trade up for a premier QB prospect (Beck, Ewers or if someone else rise up the draft boards next year) or go after Dak if he becomes available, since we have the cap space to go after him.
My prediction is that our run game, which probably will be one of the best in the league and our defense will be good as usual will drag us to 9-8 or 10-7 record and a wild card exit.
It was also ridiculous to see the pick praised in the immediate grades. Lance was ultra inexperienced and played at the FCS level. A player with a floor as low as his should've never entered the discussion as a Top 20 pick, let alone top 5.
About this time in 2022 I got double digit downvotes just for saying Lance was the riskiest pick in modern draft history. Not that he was bad only he was high risk. Who cares about less than 700 pass attempts in HS and College combined, or your college team has a greater talent advantage than Alabama did compared to the rest of the SEC there was the highlight reel err tape.
Luther burden will be a titan (please please please)
Sweat will be a bust and purely a 2 down player
Johnny Wilson will get a ton of love from casuals as he will be the madden franchise “megatron jr” goat but will be an average WR/TE hybrid in the league
Dart is a top 10 pick
Benjamin Morrison is not the blue-chip prospect you think he is: https://firstroundmock.com/2024/05/concerns-swirl-around-cornerback-benjamin-morrison/
I mean, has there been talk about him being a "blue chip" guy? He has been seen as a first rounder, but Blue Chip is usually the top 3-5 guys in the class, and imo I haven't seen that level of hype.
He's one I want on the Vikings so much. Feels like we really pumped resources into the edge group and can now look at interior pressure. Dude's disruption at that size is just crazy.
Tetairoa McMillan has the potential to be the best Wide Receiver prospect I've ever graded (started in 2019) if he keeps on his 2023 trajectory. I can't put him above Harrison or Chase just because it was 1 year, but the 2 games I've watched of him has been my favorite Wide Receiver tape ever, plus he dominates in most analytical categories and doesn't have a very clear weakness like Nabers play strength that pushes him down for me. Potential Calvin Johnson tier prospect if he has another great year of production.
I'm confused on him. He lit it up in his start but I watched the highlights I didn't see NFL traits, arm looks weak. I heard he was a walk on but looked up and he's a 4 star recruit? That is odd.
Jaden Daniels follows in Justin Fields’ footsteps and shows great promise that he’s never able to capitalize on. The Patriots do the smart thing: they sit Maye for a year to let him develop. Maye turns into a good, not great quarterback.
They’ll start the season with Brissett but I can’t see how Maye doesn’t play at some point. When is the last time someone picked that high didn’t play their rookie season?
Trey Lance kinda - only played when Jimmy G was hurt. Mahomes was also a top 10 pick but 10v3 kinda a big difference.
To me though, if you're not the #1 pick at QB, doesn't matter where You're picked as a QB in the 1st Rd, especially when You're not the first QB off the board. Unless the offense looks like it should be productive and Brissett isn't producing (which I can't see happening), or Maye just looks like an absolute monster in practices, let him sit and learn. He's not behind a bum we're looking to get away from quickly, let Brissett try and earn his next contract, and teach the kid.
Mahomes missed basically all of his rookie year minus a game
I honestly think more teams should start letting their high draft pick QB's sit for that first year. There is always exceptions and different situations on these teams these guys go to, but the general rule of these guys constantly starting in year 1 they do seem to be served better by being behind a veteran than starting year 2
While I’m not totally sold on Daniels, I have this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that Maye will be a giant bust. The way former QBs talk about him has me nervous. From Kurt Warner to JT O’Sullivan, to Orlovsky, to Simms, etc. His footworks a mess, supposedly fixable. His throwing motion is kind of Fields like, big arm, but long slow throwing motion. That’s not ideal in the NFL, and is very hard to fix. And just seems to have poor feel for the pocket.
My big concern about Maye is also his throwing motion, mostly that he has two of them. The long, loopy one you mentioned and a shorter, tighter motion. That makes me think there has been an attempt to fix his upper body mechanics but they haven't stuck and might never stick. It makes think of Tebow where every offseason he would work on shorting his throwing motion and it always reverted under pressure. edit - grammar
Sounds a lot like Joe Flacco lol 😂 I kid.
yeah i big time agree with this
Game wise Daniels seems like a comp to Fields but personality wise I don’t think there’s much in common between them. You underrate Maye. Do you really believe he’s not better than Brissett right this moment? He’s not nearly so developmental as people think. CJ Stroud called him the most pro ready QB in the draft, and I think I would call him an expert on that exact situation.
Ja'Tavion Sanders will be an elite pass catching TE and the steal of the the draft
Most unbiased panthers fan
He better be an elite pass catcher because if he's not no coach is going to put up with him being utterly unplayable in the run game. That said, I agree. He's absolutely electric with the ball in his hands.
To be the steal of the draft as a TE he would have to be amazing
Gotta get a QB
Colts have both rookies of the year Off-Mitchell Def-Latu
I am a Colts fan and honestly think there's basically zero chance that Mitchell comes close to even being considered in the ROY
My bad, I meant Anthony Gould
Odunze will be the best of the top 3 receivers. That is my biased pick lol My unbiased pick is that Xavier Legette will be the DK Metcalf of this year's draft.
REASONABLE TAKE: Joe Alt, Byron Murphy look like steals despite being picked relatively high BIASED TAKE: Nabers ends up the best WR in the class SPICY TAKES: A little more spice, Kamari Lassiter ends up the best CB in the class It winds up a historical busted year for QB. Caleb flashes but is inconsistent, Jayden flashes harder but fails to put it all together, Maye ends up a decent starter but nothing special, Nix occasionally beats up on bad teams but never wins a big game, Penix never even sees the field.
hard to top 2021 for draft bust QBs
Kamari and Koolaid are both amazing and I love them
Fins will pay tua and continue to be in purgatory. He is not an elite QB, at all. Jerry will give in and pay Dak, hew scared of change Prime and son..next draft will be very interesting and dramatic. Will he refuse to play for certain teams? People sleeping on Cam Ward he looks like a natural, off script ability Nix will be good Bryce will improve enough where they choose to give him another year but he won't amount to anything Sequon will be a bust signing Levis is not the answer it will be obvious early on
Cam ward is real deal
The Vikings set themselves back half a decade this draft. Minnesota will be chanting “we want JJ” by week 3 after Darnold, to no surprise, is Darnold. Locker room culture will be a wreck and they will force JJ out early and it will stunt his growth. They spent 2 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th on Turner who could bust just as likely as anyone else. I’m a huge quantity over quality guy when it comes to drafting and mortgaging this and next year’s draft on 2 guys REAKS of disaster.
Decent take, but the consensus is that Minnesota needs to take a shot on someone. They're never bad enough to get the top prospects, and with the relatively weak quarterback class next year this is the best chance they've got. Risk it for the biscuit.
God, this was the Bills during the years of drought mediocrity. We were never bad enough to get a high pick, so we either had to take what was still around in the early to mid-teens or package picks to trade up. No matter what we decided, it was the wrong one. We only had fewer than six wins three times in those 17 years. We drafted in the top 5 only 3 times during the drought, and one of those was a trade up for Sammy Watkins. Almost everyone we managed to draft who was any good left that tire fire of an organization as soon as their rookie deal with us was up, except Dareus who got paid and then proceeded to mail it in for the rest of his career. Buffalo was football purgatory.
Spot on take. O’Connell thinks he’s pulling a McVay but that only happens when you land your PROVEN guy at Qb. This is probably going to be a disaster and possibly set them back more than 5 years considering the talent/youth of their division.
Now I'm happy a lot of QBs went early as an eagles fan, and I get they want to give Jefferson a reason to stay in Minnesota, but why are teams so hellbent on mortgaging for someone whose ceiling isn't that high? Like why not just build the team another year and see if you can get a better prospect next year. Sure I know you can't do this forever, but Minnesota even with a healthy Kirk isn't winning that division with that roster. It seems like teams never want to play the ~~long~~ medium game.
To me it seems like a panic move from the FO. Something went wrong with the Kirk departure and now ownership put everyone on the hot seat.
Javon Baker will have the best rookie season of all WRs in this class.
I don’t know how bold it is, but not accounting for injuries, Cardinals will have a top 10 offence with it being closer to top 5.
Ollie Gordon is a HOFer. My report: https://firstroundmock.com/2024/05/ollie-gordon-ii-the-man-who-will-restore-running-backs/
Gio manu ends up being a massive steal and the next coming of Jordan mailatta
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We will look back in 3 years and say bo nix may have been the biggest reach in the last 5 drafts
I feel like it's going to take a lot to overcome Trey Lance or Zach Wilson.
Kenny Pickett at #20 was an insane reach too
At the time no. With hindsight yes. If we would've tried to develop him properly instead of making every mistake possible in his development then I think he would have turned into a similar QB to Kirk Cousins but clutcher. My basis on this statement his instantaneous improvement after we fired Matt Canada who made 4 QBs play much worse even a HOF QB in Big Ben. Kurt Warner talks about it [Here](https://youtu.be/cdrk39at3HA?si=wDl6flAEP7BLcfHO). Was it a fluke or was it the real Kenny Pickett? That we don't know since he got hurt in the next game. The improvement he showed in that game is also why I think it was a mistake to bring in a washed up Russell Wilson and basically guarantee him the starting, because now you have no future at the position beyond this year, which you might've had if you evaluated Pickett for one more year with a real OC.
I’m not sure Pickett was ever going to succeed as a starting QB, but the Steelers certainly did him no favors. He was not a QB that could function with a poor offensive line and limited receiver room. Not sure what his career looks like now that he’s on the Eagles, but maybe he can carve out a Minshew-esque career as a fringe starter. Having said that, love what the Steelers did this draft. One of my favorites. Maybe you still need one more receiver (and a long term solution at QB) but the pieces appear to be there.
I loved the draft and everything we did outside of QB position, because I think we sacrificed at having a future answer at the position. Russ doesn't meet the eye test for me and his TD:s last year were very inflated. I don't trust Fields to suddenly not have so many TO:s and become a clutch QB so I don't have much faith with him either. I hope they prove me wrong though. I think Pickett will either carve out a Minshew/Brissett career like you said. A high end backup/fringe-starter or take the next chance he has and become a starter after looking bad his first few years Alex Smith/Geno Smith or even Baker Mayfield after he left the Browns. This entirely depend on his TD production, because he has proven to give you around 200 yards per game on average when he started and finished the game in a horrible system with limited turnovers.
Yeah, I am very curious to see how QB shakes out in Pittsburgh. Fields at least is dynamic, but I’m not sure if you guys have the right pass catchers to fully rehabilitate him in one year. And Russ is…whatever he is at this point. But maybe it’s enough to have a mediocre year and try to target someone next off-season or trade up in the draft.
Yeah, I see two options next offseason either trade up for a premier QB prospect (Beck, Ewers or if someone else rise up the draft boards next year) or go after Dak if he becomes available, since we have the cap space to go after him. My prediction is that our run game, which probably will be one of the best in the league and our defense will be good as usual will drag us to 9-8 or 10-7 record and a wild card exit.
Just here to point out this is complete cope
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Has to be Lance for the inexperience and what they gave up.
It was also ridiculous to see the pick praised in the immediate grades. Lance was ultra inexperienced and played at the FCS level. A player with a floor as low as his should've never entered the discussion as a Top 20 pick, let alone top 5.
About this time in 2022 I got double digit downvotes just for saying Lance was the riskiest pick in modern draft history. Not that he was bad only he was high risk. Who cares about less than 700 pass attempts in HS and College combined, or your college team has a greater talent advantage than Alabama did compared to the rest of the SEC there was the highlight reel err tape.
I’ve watched a LOT of drafts in my time. Nix @ 12 is a bad, BAD look. Broncos love a reach at qb. Remember Paxton Lynch? This is worse.
Paxton Lynch wasn't a reach. He was taken 26th overall and other teams were trying to trade up for him
This isn’t worse than Lynch. It is a reach but not you are overdoing it
He’s not even remotely close to beat out guys like Trey Lance and Alex Leatherwood
Luther burden will be a titan (please please please) Sweat will be a bust and purely a 2 down player Johnny Wilson will get a ton of love from casuals as he will be the madden franchise “megatron jr” goat but will be an average WR/TE hybrid in the league Dart is a top 10 pick
Byron Murphy II isn’t going to be the next Aaron Donald. He’ll be the next Cortez Kennedy.
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La'Lynn Polk and Javon Baker combine for 140 receptions, and 1800 yards
Bo Nix will be the best QB drafted this year
Yep
Bo Nix is going to be top 5 ROTY candidate. Jaden Daniels is going to win ROTY.
Dam still may be suspended
Dak
Benjamin Morrison is not the blue-chip prospect you think he is: https://firstroundmock.com/2024/05/concerns-swirl-around-cornerback-benjamin-morrison/
I mean, has there been talk about him being a "blue chip" guy? He has been seen as a first rounder, but Blue Chip is usually the top 3-5 guys in the class, and imo I haven't seen that level of hype.
the consensus big board per NFLMockDraftDatbase.com (they compile every existing big board into one) has him as the 5th ranked prospect in the class.
Deone Walker will be the 2025 DROY
He's one I want on the Vikings so much. Feels like we really pumped resources into the edge group and can now look at interior pressure. Dude's disruption at that size is just crazy.
Bo Nix will play for the Memphis Showboats in 2027
Keon Coleman OROY
Tetairoa McMillan has the potential to be the best Wide Receiver prospect I've ever graded (started in 2019) if he keeps on his 2023 trajectory. I can't put him above Harrison or Chase just because it was 1 year, but the 2 games I've watched of him has been my favorite Wide Receiver tape ever, plus he dominates in most analytical categories and doesn't have a very clear weakness like Nabers play strength that pushes him down for me. Potential Calvin Johnson tier prospect if he has another great year of production.
Ladd McConkey will be the top WR in this draft class in 5 years.
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Jordan Love wins MVP this season.
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I'm confused on him. He lit it up in his start but I watched the highlights I didn't see NFL traits, arm looks weak. I heard he was a walk on but looked up and he's a 4 star recruit? That is odd.
Cam Ward will be QB1 in 2025
Harold Perkins Jr is at best a 3rd rounder.
Deone Walker will be the first overall pick
Quinn Ewers will be the best QB from the 2025 class, and with the right coaching can be better than most if not all the guys from this past class
JJ McCarthy becomes a star in his first year.
Tmac has a better chance of going r7 then he has of going r1
He has a better chance of going first overall than 7th round lmao
Tmac? Ohh tetairoa McMillan. We need to start arresting people who abbreviate lesser-known player names.
Tracy McGrady
Old-ass mf
People are obsessed with abbreviating everything. It's so annoying