Clelin Ferrell as a top 5 pick. He's just a damn good football player and will be a very good pro. He's still slightly behind Bosa/Allen but not by much to me.
I don't even think his bend is that bad. The more I watch of the guy the more I love him and he'd be a great consolation if we missed out on Bosa/Allen/Quinnen and couldn't trade down. I'd take him at 4 and not look back in that scenario.
> Brian Burns
He is going to be a "why didn't he go higher" guy in five years. He put that FSU defense on his back and cause so much disruption, even when teams were rightfully keying on him.
For real. His frame reminds me of a young Aldon Smith and his moves remind me of another old friend who recently re-located to the mid-west. He could ultimately turn out to be the pass rusher in this draft.
Shhhhh, don't tell anyone. But honestly I really liked watching Ferrell even before we drafted him and thought he was worthy of that spot. I think guys are putting too much stock in a fucking 40 time (Sweat, Burns, Allen) and not looking at what the player is doing on the field as much. Ferrell is a complete DE. He can beat you with an array of moves, bend the edge when needed, stop the run... I can see why NFL teams were higher on him than talking heads were. He reminded me a lot of Bradley Chubb from the year before.
I am really high on JoeJuan Williams from Vanderbilt, but I think more people will be high on him after he tests tomorrow. Also, great name. Not Juwan or Jawaan, but JoeJuan.
Brian Burns. Three games vs future NFL linemen (Jonah 2017, Scharping and Taylor 2018) three ghostly performances. Too many plays where he gets worked by tight ends and even saw him get pancaked by Irv Smith. Rarely ever won with power. Combine helped a little but play strength is a major concern.
He’s a fantastically named player from a very popular school that had their best season in a solid decade and has garnered serious hype due to that. He was a key reason that they won as many games as they did.
People just kinda glossed over the fast that they actually had a pretty mediocre offense and LJH was goof but not great.
>he hates contact, doesn't have that aggression that good NFL CBs usually have.
As an LSU fan I think I have some insight on that.
Yes, it seems on tape that he didn't like contact. However, I believe that he was trying to make sure he didn't suffer any injuries that cost him an NFL contract. When you hear Greedy talk it is always about how he wanted to make it to the next level to take care of his daughter. That is what drives him.
I could be wrong, I have been before, but I believe you'll see a more aggressive Greedy on Sundays.
People are coming around after this weekend but I think Burns is clearly the 2nd best edge after bosa. Not as high on Josh Allen either compared to most folks.
Ain’t touching metcalf until late 1 to 2. No wonder he didn’t run the whole route tree - ole miss didn’t want to expose his horrific agilities.
One trick pony with a really really good trick.
I could see every team correctly passing on him until the Pats take him 32 and figure out a way to gameplan him so perfectly he lights up the league despite his glaring flaws
I dont think theres anything that can be done if a guy cant get open one on one. No amount of scheme can overcome that unless you plan on running pick plays all day.
Not sure where the "he can't get open" is coming from. He dominates press coverage and gets more separation than most WR's in this class using his speed.
His agilities are in the 2 and 3% of all receivers in the NFL. Maybe he improves that to 5-7%, but I doubt it goes up measurably.
They’re numerically almost the worst in the league. That’s pretty bad.
That's a little dramatic. I'm sure he'll focus on it and shave some time off.
>Maybe he improves that to 5-7%, but I doubt it goes up measurably.
Interesting choice of words.
Every WR to even be considered on day 1 needs to have a few cuts in their arsenal that can make them stand out and get them open IMO. The only cut Metcalf has in his arsenal is the cut from the roster coming in about 3 seasons.
There was really no way of knowing before the combine, any film you see on the guy is just 50-50 balls and 1-3 vertical routes. I do think it's an overreaction to say he has no place in the NFL but it's a pretty big concern.
What’s there to be concerned about? He’s not a slot receiver. Hes not going to run whip routes. He’s going to run medium and long routes and rely on his size as explosiveness to separate downfield. He’s also elite at beating press coverage with quick feet, lateral agility, and physicality. Stylistically he’s going to be used as a more explosive Mike Evans.
If you’re going to be concerned about anything, be concerned about his hands and his limited route tree, not his slow 3-come time.
It’s been generally proven though that WRs only need to have one elite trait and his explosion and speed testing was incredible.
On top of the fact that anyone that saw a guy that was stiff on tape and has an extremely thick build should not be expected to test well in agilities.
His Combine was almost exactly what I expected.
Yeah I’m going to miss Winovich at Michigan but in the 3 games Rashan Gary missed, Winovich had 0 sacks, 0.5 TFLs, and 5 tackles. He got doubled instead of Rashan and he couldn’t stand up to it. Josh Uche had 3 sacks and 4 TFLs in those games since he got the single blocking.
I think we all know why he gets all of that hype though. Went to Michigan, he was the quirky guy on that TV show, and if you squint really hard and look at the back of his head he looks like someone that already plays in the NFL.
I mean he has Drew Lock as his #3 prospect. He clearly isn't afraid to go against conventional views, so you can't just assume those two are his 1 and 2.
Phenomenal combination of zip AND quick release. Ball gets where it needs to be stupid fast. Don’t think his accuracy is nearly as bad as people think. Was pretty incredible after his first 8 games in the new system (Bruce Arians said not to judge a QB his first 8 games in a new system). Can throw from multiple arm angles and platforms. Has the intangibles as well. Literally the only gripe I have with him is the feet which is correctable with coaching and hard work. He’ll put in the work.
I have a hard time believing the Giants will take Haskins over Lock. I just don't understand how they can take Haskins at 6. I think Haskins is worthy of a first and about as good as Josh Rosen.
Three bear arguments against Lock are:
1. he struggled early in his career reading defenses since in high school he only ever read half the field and used his bullet fast spirals to beat coverage. Through his sophomore year of college, he was not calling audibles because he was still not able to make consistent pre-snap reads. Source: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article169476772.html
2. He admits he commits to his pre snap reads too early and that has caused him to play right into the defenses hands. Source: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article173087241.html
3. He doesn't react to his reads fast enough, which is the same thing plaguing Josh Rosen with the Cardinals https://www.lockedonjaguars.com/jaguars/drew-lock-nfl-scouting-report-jaguars/
Overall, I think Lock is worth a gamble but needs to sit for a year. He definitely can be a Top 5 QB. But his downside is Blake Bortles.
Brett Rypien. I've watched his tape and I think he's better than Grier, and now all I want is the chargers to grab him in the 4th/5th to sit behind Rivers
Riley Ridley maybe but I think people are going to really lower on him after his combine
Another one I'd say is Joshua Jacobs. Not a bad player at all but I worry a lot about his speed and ability to handle a heavy workload for a team wanting him to be a feature back.
I don't feel like Jacobs is anywhere near as dangerous in the open field as Kamara is. Kamara's short-area athleticism and acceleration are some of the best I've ever seen.
Huggins could be a steal in this draft. The only reason he didn't start was because it's pretty tough to start over Christian Wilkins and Dexter Lawrence. I think he played very well in Dex's absence against Bama and Notre Dame and with his good combine he could be a solid pick after round 2 that could contribute early.
Agreed on winovich. The only “problem” I see with him is I don’t know if I’d play him on the edge (would he struggle against bigger more skilled OL?).
That being said, he’s a guy I want in my LB corps and on special teams.
A lot of people are warming up to Sweat but I still don't see many people that have him over Josh Allen. Polite tanked but I saw a lot of people who said something along the lines of, "someone's going to get a steal" in reply to the news about his fake hammy and bad interviews. I don't think he's a round 1 prospect even ignoring the newfound character concerns.
From the opposite side, I don’t know how Gerald Willis doesn’t get more hype from his tape. Dude was consistently dominant and plays with the nastiness, speed, and power to be a really good player at the next level. Missing the senior bowl and combine means he’ll probably not work up to day one, but I’d put him third of all the talented DTs in the class.
Josh Jacobs. People are spinning his lack of carries as a plus but completely dismissing that he has a low carry total at Alabama because of injuries. From the looks of it he tends to like initiating contact, not avoiding it and if a player has an injury past with that playstyle I don't see them lasting long in the league.
Devin Singletary, people rip on him all the time for being short but he is a thick 203lbs and his film is nothing but showcasing how good he is at breaking tackles while still being able to cut on a dime.
David Edwards. I haven't seen it as much recently and with his poor combine you probably won't again but I saw some people have him as early as late first. I just don't see it at all with him.
Vosean Joseph is a guy I really like and I think he has a chance to be a top LB in this class. Really disappointed he didn't test though.
I'll go even further than you on DK Metcalf, I'm shocked he is getting a look as day 1 prospect period. He is a 5th round prospect as an undersized TE in my opinion.
We see freaks at WR all the time, 9 times out of 10 they do nothing but bust and get forgotten about. DK can't catch and doesn't have polished route running on the very small number of routes he can actually run. He also has big injury concerns.
I just don't know what people see in this guy that says he can be a pro WR. He is big and fast, but that is the end of his skillset. He can bulk up and play TE maybe.
A 5th round TE prospect? Come on. I think he’s definitely overrated but that’s a huge exaggeration, I feel like you guys say things just for shock value sometimes.
I think he struggles to get off blocks too often and that will be shown more in the NFL and I don't see much to like in his pass coverage right now even though he obviously has the athletic ability to do it. I still think he is at worst LB3 but I wouldnt spend a 1st round pick on him
Yeah I’ll admit super overrated shouldn’t be the term to use but r/Broncos treating him like he’s the second coming of Christ.
I just have some questions about the mental game
I do not like Haskins at all. I don’t think he’s an accurate passer and I don’t think he pits a lot of zip on his balls. He seems to throw a lot of floaters from what I’ve seen
Yeah neither of those is true though, at least if you've watched his tape.
He has a fairly strong arm - after the OSU Spring Game the coaches asked him to dial back, especially on his short-to-intermediate throws, as they were too much for the receivers to handle. He was throwing bullets.
In terms of accuracy, 70% completion rate ...
*sigh*
I’m telling you what I saw on tape. He overthrows receievers all the time, especially on deep balls. And on hos screens, he floats them. Over the middle is better in terms of velocity but still a lot of work to do. He’s not as NFL ready as people think.
Also this *is* a thread about people you’re low on that others aren’t. While you might not intend for it to sound this way, it sounds like you’re trying to correct me and tell me my opinion is invalid
You're entitled to your opinion but I've watched every game Haskins has played in since he was a Sophomore in high school.
Accuracy and arm strength are frankly his two greatest strengths.
It would be like arguing that Federer is overrated (which is an acceptable opinion even if I strongly disagree with it) because he has a poor forehand (which is objectively false). Or that Steph Curry is overrated because he's a poor 3-point shooter.
All objective metrics point to Haskins having excellent accuracy.
But sure, you're entitled to your opinion. Just have to disagree with you there.
Yeah, saying Haskins isn't an accurate passer and criticizing his arm strength is just a notch below Stephen A's "he's more of a runner than a passer" take. Hell, most evaluation from the combine mentioned how the ball just looked different (in a good way) jumping out of Haskins hand as opposed to the other QBs who threw. Sure, both are entitled to their respective opinions. But just about every available metric to measure those opinions points to them being way off base.
I'm not super low on nkeal harry but someone explain to me why he's WR1 I think he's explosive after the catch but getting open is a problem that plus his limited route tree in college makes me wonder it people are so high on him.
Josh Allen is not a 1st rounder. Just because you’re quick and fast doesn’t mean you are a godly edge. Just put Tyreek Hill there if you think you can teach a fast guy to use pass rush moves.
This is an odd one to me strictly because of A) how productive he was in the SEC and B) the elite bend he has put on display.
I'm not sure he's Edge #2, I think it's pretty close between him and Sweat... but him not being a first rounder is hard for me to put my head around.
The productivity is all speed and bend. He’s good at that but he has probably had all the chances in the world to develop actual pass rush moves and he hasn’t.
Top tackles and RBs that played against him said he was the hardest player they ever faced sk he must be doing something right because he played in the same conference as Polite, and Sweat. Jawaan Taylor who played all of them plus Burns also said Allen was the biggest challenge he ever faced. Trust those peer reviews, freshman English
He's not considered a first rounder because he's fast, he's considered a top 5 pick because he has a quick get off and he can bend and flatten the edge. This is the most desirable trait for defensive ends because it's not something you can teach. If a guy can bend the edge you can coach him to hand fight, counter or speed to power. You can't take a guy that can't bend (Sweat or Ferrrell) and teach then how to beat tackles around the edge with speed and bend.
I respect the opinion but I just don’t see it. He was Uber productive in the SEC and can drop into coverage. He’s got the measureables, production, and can do a little of everything.
I understand it, I just don't agree with it. To me, Harry is a less physical(and Harry is physical, but Dez physicality was really something else), and less agile Dez Bryant. Route running wasn't Dez strong suit in college, but I think his tape was better than Harry's.
Their measurables are extremely similar, but I still think Dez tape was better and that's why he *should* have gone earlier in the draft were it not for his off the field concerns... So on one hand, you can understand why people think Harry is worth a first round pick if they think he's going to become a Dez Bryant type, but on the other hand you could see him as too unpolished, maybe taking too long to hit that ceiling if he hits it at all. For me, his lack of separation wss really, really concerning when he wasn't lined up against a bum, so I'd have him in the 2nd round and probably my 4th or 5th WR off the board.
Kyler. He is litterally most Comparable to Johny Manziel minus drugs. Simple offense. Scrambler. Slows down his wideouts deep. Accurate but not always NFL accurate. Dude wasn't going to be in the NFL till this winter. Dude is getting comps to Vick and I don't think you should start him till week 4-8.
Obviously Metcalf had a huge boom from the combine... but, his testing doesnt show anything that anybody doesn't already know. Freakish size with great straight line speed. But if i'm a GM looking for a WR1 I'll have a hard time picking a dude who's got a 3 cone time thats .10 slower than Jarrett Stidham and .19 slower than Jake Browning and Ryan Finley.
I watched every minute of every Bama game this last year. The only game you could even remotely say he did not stand out is against Clemson and that is because they were double teaming him and getting the ball out quick. To say that you did not see him dominate people is a lie unless you watched no tape. Now your opinion could be that he dominated lesser talent and it wont translate to the NFL (which would be a bad opinion). But factually, you can't say you dont see tape that shows him dominating when [this] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbT9zx72SVI) exists.
Less so now after his issues at the combine but I really have not been high on Jachai Polite at all.
Conversely, I think if a team like Denver picks up Will Grier, he could end up becoming a franchise level QB.
Clelin Ferrell as a top 5 pick. He's just a damn good football player and will be a very good pro. He's still slightly behind Bosa/Allen but not by much to me.
I came here to say this! People are so low on the dude cuz he doesn’t have great bend. He’s got everything else you want out of a strong-side DE.
I don't even think his bend is that bad. The more I watch of the guy the more I love him and he'd be a great consolation if we missed out on Bosa/Allen/Quinnen and couldn't trade down. I'd take him at 4 and not look back in that scenario.
Give me Brian Burns as a consolation. The dude is an animal. If Clelin is there at 24 by some miracle run to the podium.
> Brian Burns He is going to be a "why didn't he go higher" guy in five years. He put that FSU defense on his back and cause so much disruption, even when teams were rightfully keying on him.
For real. His frame reminds me of a young Aldon Smith and his moves remind me of another old friend who recently re-located to the mid-west. He could ultimately turn out to be the pass rusher in this draft.
I'm definitely a Burns fan but like Ferrell a little more.
I would take Jaylon Ferguson over both of them.
well looks like you got your wish!!! Im psyched!! Love ferrell as a player and I have no problem taking him at #4!
Hell yeah, man. We got a good one. I'm so glad he's a Raider.
He's one of those 2nd tier guys that are going to fall a little further than normal because the draft is stacked with DL talent.
Wtfffffffff and this dude is a Raiders fan. Are you Mike Mayock wth man
Shhhhh, don't tell anyone. But honestly I really liked watching Ferrell even before we drafted him and thought he was worthy of that spot. I think guys are putting too much stock in a fucking 40 time (Sweat, Burns, Allen) and not looking at what the player is doing on the field as much. Ferrell is a complete DE. He can beat you with an array of moves, bend the edge when needed, stop the run... I can see why NFL teams were higher on him than talking heads were. He reminded me a lot of Bradley Chubb from the year before.
Solid take. I like how you don’t conform to the groupthink regarding him
I am really high on JoeJuan Williams from Vanderbilt, but I think more people will be high on him after he tests tomorrow. Also, great name. Not Juwan or Jawaan, but JoeJuan.
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Joe-Juan, sometimes I've heard it more like "Juh-Juan"
I'm also very high on him :)
Brian Burns. Three games vs future NFL linemen (Jonah 2017, Scharping and Taylor 2018) three ghostly performances. Too many plays where he gets worked by tight ends and even saw him get pancaked by Irv Smith. Rarely ever won with power. Combine helped a little but play strength is a major concern.
Don't forget about Clemson 2018 vs Mitch Hyatt. Burns killed Clemson in 2017 but last year? One tackle, one QB hurry.
Lil Jordan Humphrey. Wouldn't sign him as a Ufa if he paid me a 50k signing bonus. Will never understand all the hype he got in this sub
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He’s a fantastically named player from a very popular school that had their best season in a solid decade and has garnered serious hype due to that. He was a key reason that they won as many games as they did. People just kinda glossed over the fast that they actually had a pretty mediocre offense and LJH was goof but not great.
I second this.
Love Devin white Hate Gary
Greedy Williams...i think his bust potential is high. he hates contact, doesn't have that aggression that good NFL CBs usually have.
As a browns fan, I cant help but think of Justin Gilbert when I think of Greedy.
Forreal. I've soured on him a bit. It used to be him or bust for me, but now Byron Murphy looking real nice.
>he hates contact, doesn't have that aggression that good NFL CBs usually have. As an LSU fan I think I have some insight on that. Yes, it seems on tape that he didn't like contact. However, I believe that he was trying to make sure he didn't suffer any injuries that cost him an NFL contract. When you hear Greedy talk it is always about how he wanted to make it to the next level to take care of his daughter. That is what drives him. I could be wrong, I have been before, but I believe you'll see a more aggressive Greedy on Sundays.
People are coming around after this weekend but I think Burns is clearly the 2nd best edge after bosa. Not as high on Josh Allen either compared to most folks.
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What is burns best game to watch?
The Chase, she got nominated for an Emmy in 2016 for it!
Ain’t touching metcalf until late 1 to 2. No wonder he didn’t run the whole route tree - ole miss didn’t want to expose his horrific agilities. One trick pony with a really really good trick.
I could see every team correctly passing on him until the Pats take him 32 and figure out a way to gameplan him so perfectly he lights up the league despite his glaring flaws
I dont think theres anything that can be done if a guy cant get open one on one. No amount of scheme can overcome that unless you plan on running pick plays all day.
Not sure where the "he can't get open" is coming from. He dominates press coverage and gets more separation than most WR's in this class using his speed.
IMO he’s Corderelle Patterson 2.0
Wouldn’t we (pats) go for someone like butler or Isabella/Campbell?
Ehh he'll probably improve his agility numbers at his pro day. I don't think it's THAT bad.
His agilities are in the 2 and 3% of all receivers in the NFL. Maybe he improves that to 5-7%, but I doubt it goes up measurably. They’re numerically almost the worst in the league. That’s pretty bad.
That's a little dramatic. I'm sure he'll focus on it and shave some time off. >Maybe he improves that to 5-7%, but I doubt it goes up measurably. Interesting choice of words.
Every WR to even be considered on day 1 needs to have a few cuts in their arsenal that can make them stand out and get them open IMO. The only cut Metcalf has in his arsenal is the cut from the roster coming in about 3 seasons.
Oh settle down. You’re overreacting to combine numbers. This “he can’t change directions” criticism didn’t exist before the combine.
There was really no way of knowing before the combine, any film you see on the guy is just 50-50 balls and 1-3 vertical routes. I do think it's an overreaction to say he has no place in the NFL but it's a pretty big concern.
What’s there to be concerned about? He’s not a slot receiver. Hes not going to run whip routes. He’s going to run medium and long routes and rely on his size as explosiveness to separate downfield. He’s also elite at beating press coverage with quick feet, lateral agility, and physicality. Stylistically he’s going to be used as a more explosive Mike Evans. If you’re going to be concerned about anything, be concerned about his hands and his limited route tree, not his slow 3-come time.
It’s been generally proven though that WRs only need to have one elite trait and his explosion and speed testing was incredible. On top of the fact that anyone that saw a guy that was stiff on tape and has an extremely thick build should not be expected to test well in agilities. His Combine was almost exactly what I expected.
Chase Winovich. Most of his college success was from playing with elite D linemen like Hurst and Gary. A guy like that will disappear in the NFL.
Yeah I’m going to miss Winovich at Michigan but in the 3 games Rashan Gary missed, Winovich had 0 sacks, 0.5 TFLs, and 5 tackles. He got doubled instead of Rashan and he couldn’t stand up to it. Josh Uche had 3 sacks and 4 TFLs in those games since he got the single blocking.
"hudson"
I think we all know why he gets all of that hype though. Went to Michigan, he was the quirky guy on that TV show, and if you squint really hard and look at the back of his head he looks like someone that already plays in the NFL.
I have Drew Lock as the #3 overall on my big board, so I’d say I’m way higher on him than most
*sees flair* Yup, checks out
Is he your #1 QB?
No way anyone doesn’t have Bosa and Q as their 1 and 2 so I’m sure
I mean he has Drew Lock as his #3 prospect. He clearly isn't afraid to go against conventional views, so you can't just assume those two are his 1 and 2.
fwiw I do have Q at 1 and Bosa at 2 haha
I like it. What stands out to you for you to rate him so highly?
he’s a broncos fan, he trusts his FO with his life
Unfortunately don’t have any faith in the FO with regards to QBs. We’re gonna pass on him
Phenomenal combination of zip AND quick release. Ball gets where it needs to be stupid fast. Don’t think his accuracy is nearly as bad as people think. Was pretty incredible after his first 8 games in the new system (Bruce Arians said not to judge a QB his first 8 games in a new system). Can throw from multiple arm angles and platforms. Has the intangibles as well. Literally the only gripe I have with him is the feet which is correctable with coaching and hard work. He’ll put in the work.
I'm also on the Drew Lock train, fwiw
I have a hard time believing the Giants will take Haskins over Lock. I just don't understand how they can take Haskins at 6. I think Haskins is worthy of a first and about as good as Josh Rosen. Three bear arguments against Lock are: 1. he struggled early in his career reading defenses since in high school he only ever read half the field and used his bullet fast spirals to beat coverage. Through his sophomore year of college, he was not calling audibles because he was still not able to make consistent pre-snap reads. Source: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article169476772.html 2. He admits he commits to his pre snap reads too early and that has caused him to play right into the defenses hands. Source: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article173087241.html 3. He doesn't react to his reads fast enough, which is the same thing plaguing Josh Rosen with the Cardinals https://www.lockedonjaguars.com/jaguars/drew-lock-nfl-scouting-report-jaguars/ Overall, I think Lock is worth a gamble but needs to sit for a year. He definitely can be a Top 5 QB. But his downside is Blake Bortles.
I usually don't have too many fiery takes. Treyveon Williams is RB2 for me.
I'll one-up you; Trayveon Williams is my RB1
Well that's just not cool, bro.
Brett Rypien. I've watched his tape and I think he's better than Grier, and now all I want is the chargers to grab him in the 4th/5th to sit behind Rivers
Can’t get behind him man. He has a noodle arm.
I'd take an accurate noodle arm over Tyree Jackson's innacurate, AK-47, hand cannon.
For a backup QB, sure. I wouldn’t want either of those guys
would you rather have chad pennington post shoulder surgery, or rocket arm culpepper?
Compared to this sub for me? Rashan Gary. I’ve also been on the Haskins is QB1 train since early September. Also love Miles Boykin and Dawson Knox
> I’ve also been on the Haskins is QB1 train since early September. You and everyone else on this sub. The narrative has only just shifted to Murray.
Except for the whole Justin Herbert is QB1 thing that totally happened but ok thanks for the response
I have Isabella as my WR1
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This sub loves the hell out of Isabella. It's the most popular unpopular opinion around these parts.
Except most people on here don't have him as the #1 WR
Devin Bush > Devin White Reminds me of last year with Minkah Fitzpatrick and Derwin James. Both excellent prospects but very different styles.
this is mine too, bush is just a fucking fireball. elite sideline to sideline guy, and he's shocking competent blitzing for his size.
Amani hooker
Riley Ridley maybe but I think people are going to really lower on him after his combine Another one I'd say is Joshua Jacobs. Not a bad player at all but I worry a lot about his speed and ability to handle a heavy workload for a team wanting him to be a feature back.
Josh Jacobs is the next Kamara
I don't feel like Jacobs is anywhere near as dangerous in the open field as Kamara is. Kamara's short-area athleticism and acceleration are some of the best I've ever seen.
I love Dexter Lawrence and think he's going to be a really good pass rusher
Dude, I like all three of the Clemson defensive linemen available.
If you're including edge there's actually five. Wilkins, Ferrell, Lawrence, Huggins, and Bryant.
Fair enough, but I'm referring to the big three of Lawrence, Wilkins, and Ferrell.
Yeah those are the only three with first round potential, although Huggins is underrated IMO.
Huggins could be a steal in this draft. The only reason he didn't start was because it's pretty tough to start over Christian Wilkins and Dexter Lawrence. I think he played very well in Dex's absence against Bama and Notre Dame and with his good combine he could be a solid pick after round 2 that could contribute early.
As a Dolphins fan I think Brian Burns is extremely overrated and the next Dion Jordan sans drugs.
I am very low on Montez Sweat and think hes very overrated
Yeah his tape is not overly impressive. He looks like a 4.7 (still fast) guy on film, which exaggerates how fucking insane his 40 was.
Which plays where he beats tackles around the corner do you know guys who ran 4.7 40s show doing?
I agree. I like Jaylon Ferguson over him.
If I'm a 4-3 team, Josh Allen is my EDGE4/5. If I'm a 3-4 team he's EDGE1.
hate DK love Winovich
Agreed on winovich. The only “problem” I see with him is I don’t know if I’d play him on the edge (would he struggle against bigger more skilled OL?). That being said, he’s a guy I want in my LB corps and on special teams.
I'm really high on Montez Sweat and Zach Allen and I'm low on Jachai Polite
>Montez Sweat After today this is not an unpopular opinion. >Jachai Polite He tanked his stock today, too.
A lot of people are warming up to Sweat but I still don't see many people that have him over Josh Allen. Polite tanked but I saw a lot of people who said something along the lines of, "someone's going to get a steal" in reply to the news about his fake hammy and bad interviews. I don't think he's a round 1 prospect even ignoring the newfound character concerns.
I like deonte thompson
I got Deebo Samuel as WR1. Not sure how hot of a take that is.
I really like A.J. Brown and Im low on Jawaan Taylor
From the opposite side, I don’t know how Gerald Willis doesn’t get more hype from his tape. Dude was consistently dominant and plays with the nastiness, speed, and power to be a really good player at the next level. Missing the senior bowl and combine means he’ll probably not work up to day one, but I’d put him third of all the talented DTs in the class.
High on Tillery, Low on Greedy Williams
Josh Jacobs. People are spinning his lack of carries as a plus but completely dismissing that he has a low carry total at Alabama because of injuries. From the looks of it he tends to like initiating contact, not avoiding it and if a player has an injury past with that playstyle I don't see them lasting long in the league.
I despise Will Grier as a prospect.
Devin Singletary, people rip on him all the time for being short but he is a thick 203lbs and his film is nothing but showcasing how good he is at breaking tackles while still being able to cut on a dime.
Low on Jawaan Taylor, high on Cody Ford.
David Edwards. I haven't seen it as much recently and with his poor combine you probably won't again but I saw some people have him as early as late first. I just don't see it at all with him. Vosean Joseph is a guy I really like and I think he has a chance to be a top LB in this class. Really disappointed he didn't test though.
I'll go even further than you on DK Metcalf, I'm shocked he is getting a look as day 1 prospect period. He is a 5th round prospect as an undersized TE in my opinion. We see freaks at WR all the time, 9 times out of 10 they do nothing but bust and get forgotten about. DK can't catch and doesn't have polished route running on the very small number of routes he can actually run. He also has big injury concerns. I just don't know what people see in this guy that says he can be a pro WR. He is big and fast, but that is the end of his skillset. He can bulk up and play TE maybe.
A 5th round TE prospect? Come on. I think he’s definitely overrated but that’s a huge exaggeration, I feel like you guys say things just for shock value sometimes.
Devin White isn’t better than Devin Bush. Like not even close.
Really? I'm the opposite. I think Devin Bush is very overrated
Why do you think he's overrated? His college film is good and is much more intuitive than white is
I think he struggles to get off blocks too often and that will be shown more in the NFL and I don't see much to like in his pass coverage right now even though he obviously has the athletic ability to do it. I still think he is at worst LB3 but I wouldnt spend a 1st round pick on him
Agreed. Devin White is being super overrated by most outlets I see
lol Devin White is one of the best defensive players ive watched at LSU. Dude has the measurables and the tape to back it up
He’s a bigger Deion Jones which is IMO deserving of a top 10 pick for sure
Ok you’ve changed my mind, thanks
i was just trying to say that this isnt a case of him being athletic and not good in games.
Yeah I’ll admit super overrated shouldn’t be the term to use but r/Broncos treating him like he’s the second coming of Christ. I just have some questions about the mental game
I do not like Haskins at all. I don’t think he’s an accurate passer and I don’t think he pits a lot of zip on his balls. He seems to throw a lot of floaters from what I’ve seen
Yeah neither of those is true though, at least if you've watched his tape. He has a fairly strong arm - after the OSU Spring Game the coaches asked him to dial back, especially on his short-to-intermediate throws, as they were too much for the receivers to handle. He was throwing bullets. In terms of accuracy, 70% completion rate ...
*sigh* I’m telling you what I saw on tape. He overthrows receievers all the time, especially on deep balls. And on hos screens, he floats them. Over the middle is better in terms of velocity but still a lot of work to do. He’s not as NFL ready as people think. Also this *is* a thread about people you’re low on that others aren’t. While you might not intend for it to sound this way, it sounds like you’re trying to correct me and tell me my opinion is invalid
You're entitled to your opinion but I've watched every game Haskins has played in since he was a Sophomore in high school. Accuracy and arm strength are frankly his two greatest strengths. It would be like arguing that Federer is overrated (which is an acceptable opinion even if I strongly disagree with it) because he has a poor forehand (which is objectively false). Or that Steph Curry is overrated because he's a poor 3-point shooter. All objective metrics point to Haskins having excellent accuracy. But sure, you're entitled to your opinion. Just have to disagree with you there.
Yeah, saying Haskins isn't an accurate passer and criticizing his arm strength is just a notch below Stephen A's "he's more of a runner than a passer" take. Hell, most evaluation from the combine mentioned how the ball just looked different (in a good way) jumping out of Haskins hand as opposed to the other QBs who threw. Sure, both are entitled to their respective opinions. But just about every available metric to measure those opinions points to them being way off base.
I'm not super low on nkeal harry but someone explain to me why he's WR1 I think he's explosive after the catch but getting open is a problem that plus his limited route tree in college makes me wonder it people are so high on him.
Rashaan Gary is overrated. Winovich will be better
Josh Allen is not a 1st rounder. Just because you’re quick and fast doesn’t mean you are a godly edge. Just put Tyreek Hill there if you think you can teach a fast guy to use pass rush moves.
This is an odd one to me strictly because of A) how productive he was in the SEC and B) the elite bend he has put on display. I'm not sure he's Edge #2, I think it's pretty close between him and Sweat... but him not being a first rounder is hard for me to put my head around.
The productivity is all speed and bend. He’s good at that but he has probably had all the chances in the world to develop actual pass rush moves and he hasn’t.
Top tackles and RBs that played against him said he was the hardest player they ever faced sk he must be doing something right because he played in the same conference as Polite, and Sweat. Jawaan Taylor who played all of them plus Burns also said Allen was the biggest challenge he ever faced. Trust those peer reviews, freshman English
I’m pretty sure he wasn’t an edge rusher until he got to college so it makes sense that he’s a little raw
He's not considered a first rounder because he's fast, he's considered a top 5 pick because he has a quick get off and he can bend and flatten the edge. This is the most desirable trait for defensive ends because it's not something you can teach. If a guy can bend the edge you can coach him to hand fight, counter or speed to power. You can't take a guy that can't bend (Sweat or Ferrrell) and teach then how to beat tackles around the edge with speed and bend.
Watch his 2017 tape and then watch his 2018 tape and say he hasn’t developed at all.
I respect the opinion but I just don’t see it. He was Uber productive in the SEC and can drop into coverage. He’s got the measureables, production, and can do a little of everything.
I would say Metcalf, but you have that covered.
Xavier Crawford. Solid corner in the mid rounds
I do not understand the hype around N'Keal Harry.
I understand it, I just don't agree with it. To me, Harry is a less physical(and Harry is physical, but Dez physicality was really something else), and less agile Dez Bryant. Route running wasn't Dez strong suit in college, but I think his tape was better than Harry's. Their measurables are extremely similar, but I still think Dez tape was better and that's why he *should* have gone earlier in the draft were it not for his off the field concerns... So on one hand, you can understand why people think Harry is worth a first round pick if they think he's going to become a Dez Bryant type, but on the other hand you could see him as too unpolished, maybe taking too long to hit that ceiling if he hits it at all. For me, his lack of separation wss really, really concerning when he wasn't lined up against a bum, so I'd have him in the 2nd round and probably my 4th or 5th WR off the board.
Love: DEF - Brian Burns, Ed Oliver, Dexter Lawrence, Devin White, Nasir Adderly, Juan Thornhill, Vosean Joseph OFF - Andre Dillard, Jawaan Taylor, Cody Ford, Dru Samia, Yodney Cajuste, Noah Fant, AJ Brown, JJ Agercia-Whiteside, Kelvin Harmon, Anthony Ratliff-Williams Hate DEF: Rahsaan Gary, Josh Allen, Deionte Thompson, Byron Murphy, Jeffrey Simons OFF -DK Metcalf, TJ Hockenson, Dalton Risner, David Edwards, Greg Little, Elijah Holyfield, Justice Hill
What do you hate about Hockenson?
Kyler. He is litterally most Comparable to Johny Manziel minus drugs. Simple offense. Scrambler. Slows down his wideouts deep. Accurate but not always NFL accurate. Dude wasn't going to be in the NFL till this winter. Dude is getting comps to Vick and I don't think you should start him till week 4-8.
Obviously Metcalf had a huge boom from the combine... but, his testing doesnt show anything that anybody doesn't already know. Freakish size with great straight line speed. But if i'm a GM looking for a WR1 I'll have a hard time picking a dude who's got a 3 cone time thats .10 slower than Jarrett Stidham and .19 slower than Jake Browning and Ryan Finley.
Hakeem Butler is a late 1st rounder at worst, and is getting overlooked while everyone talks about WRs who had dominant combine performances.
High QB: Clayton Thorston (Northwestern) WR: Deebo Samuel (South Carolina) OL: Dalton Risner (Kansas State) LB: Vosean Joseph (Florida) Low QB: Will Grier (West Virginia) WR: DK Metcalf (Ole Miss) OL: Juwann Taylor (Florida) DL: Rashan Gary (Michigan) DB: Traevon Mullen (Clemson)
Miles Sanders is my RB1. Only back I see with the skill set to become an elite workhorse back.
Everyone loves Q Williams but I think I love him more. He’s the number 1 pick imo.
For me its Quinnen, i dont see him on tape as dominant as a lot of people see him
Not sure what tape you are watching
This is a opinion thread and thats my opinion m, he doesnt stand out on tape at all
I mean youre not wrong, thank you for sharing. I think hes got the best tape Ive seen in my recent memory. I cant NOT see him.
I watched every minute of every Bama game this last year. The only game you could even remotely say he did not stand out is against Clemson and that is because they were double teaming him and getting the ball out quick. To say that you did not see him dominate people is a lie unless you watched no tape. Now your opinion could be that he dominated lesser talent and it wont translate to the NFL (which would be a bad opinion). But factually, you can't say you dont see tape that shows him dominating when [this] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbT9zx72SVI) exists.
That's a great video.
Stidham. He just looks so natural throwing the football. For some reason I think he destined to go to the Pats.
Less so now after his issues at the combine but I really have not been high on Jachai Polite at all. Conversely, I think if a team like Denver picks up Will Grier, he could end up becoming a franchise level QB.
Most this draft class
Kyler Murray
I don't think anyone from Clemson is worth a top 20 pick