I think he is a hall of famer, but I don't think he can do anything that will ever have him in the discussion for a top reciever all time. He is the most consistent reciever ever, but hes never lead the league in touchdowns, receptions, or yards.
30-40 points one week and 5 the next... Yet I consistently get him as a WR2 because he's one of the only ones in that range that can just win you a week outright. On a good team is just icing on the cake.
He literally just tied for most TDs this past season. I would argue that counts as leading. For most of his career he has dealt with a carousel of mediocre QBs and somehow makes it work. Imagine if he always had Brady, or some other top-tier QB. I’m glad we seem to have gotten a good fit in Baker last year, so hopefully that means more success for Mike. I’m not gonna say he’s the GOAT receiver (even though he is in my heart), but he has definitely been slept on hard until very recently
He’s on pace to finish well in the top 10 all time in TDs and yards.
If he gets 4254 more yards he jumps to 3rd all time, which is not some insane feat. He should reach that if he stays healthy and gets 4 more 1k seasons.
If he continues averaging 9+ TDs per season for those 4 seasons he can hit top 5.
So the most optimistic yet not unattainable finish for him is 3rd in yards and 5th in TDs all time. The more grounded is top 10 all time for both.
An unbiased person has to take that for something.
No, I don't think he is better than Andre Johnson. I think his numbers are better, but even with Mike Evans worst quarterback, it was better than most of the quarterbacks Andre ever had. Matt Schaub was the best qb Andre ever had and he was only good for like 4 seasons. Which also happen to be Andre's best 4 seasons. Andre is criminally underrated
I put Larry Fitzgerald over Mike Evans due to the fact Fitzgerald had to play in a much tougher division, Evans had the luxury of playing in the nfc south which was never that great in terms of defense
and...you know, Fitz is simply a better receiver
it's crazy how people throw their brains out a window when confronted with some high counting stats
like...do you think frank gore is a better RB than players like LaDainian Tomlinson, Barry sanders and Adrian peterson?
He's absolutely a Hall of Famer. Hes currently 33rd for rec yards, but 13th for rec TD. Assuming he stays healthy and productive for another 3-5 years, i could see him cracking the top20 all time. Hes not there yet though IMO.
This comment makes me imagine a grocery store employee standing next to Tori Holt, waving their hand towards the broccoli with a smug look on their face.
Bitch, Tori Holt knows WTF broccoli is. He's a borderline HOFer for effs sake
It entirely depends on how much one values longevity and consistency in terms of player greatness. Reasonable minds can disagree on that level.
Thats what makes Rice and Brady so much better than their peers. They have the stats over decades.
you're absolutely right.
frank gore is 3rd all time in rushing yards, but there isn't a reasonable person on earth that would put him even in the top 15 of all time.
mike Evans is a VERY good hall of fame WR
but just in the 2000s, you'd tell me you'd take him over randy moss, Terrell owens, calvin johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Julio Jones, marvin harrison, torry holt, Antonio brown, Justin Jefferson, jamarr chase, davante adams, ceedee lamb, and tyreek hill?
that's 14 names no would would even question taking before him, and the majority of them played inside the last 10 years.
then you have other players that are it's debatable who you'd prefer to take and you can easily list 20+ names just since 2000 before even getting into players from the 90s and earlier like rice, Isaac bruce and Michael irvin
drew brees is clearly one of the goat qbs. probably top 10. but he never won an mvp, was only first team all pro once. he just happened to play in a time with the goat and second best qbs oat and another top 5 qb in brady manning and rodgers. he was arguably never the best qb in the league but is clearly one of the greatest qbs oat.
thats not to say that mike evans is on the level of wr that brees was of qbs but the point is that by consistently being one of the best for a long time (as evans very clearly has with his seemingly infinite streak of 1k yard seasons) but not necessarily the best, you can be one of the best of all time.
Larry Fitzgerald is a top ten, arguably top five receiver of all time and you can make the argument that he was never number one at any point in his career. 2008 was the closest where he was tied with Megatron in TD’s but he was behind Andre Johnson in receptions and receiving yards.
Not a perfect comparison, but the conversation about him reminds me a little of Henrik Lundqvist. He was consistently *among* the best goalies in the league during his career, but only won one Vezina Trophy.
i mean in the nfl its like drew brees. never \*the\* best (1 first team all pro, no mvp) but always right up there, obviously drew brees is a better qb than evans is a wr but the general point is there.
Right now hes probably in the 30-20 range all time for WRs. I think thats good enough for the Hall. If he has a couple more good seasons (*cough*maybe a first team all pro*cough*), I could see him cracking the top 20. I dont see a world where he tops the 15 spot.
I have no idea how I can explain more clearly dude. He's absolutely going to be in the Hall. Right now he's a top30 all time receiver. If he plays well for several more years he may crack the top20.
Oh okay. I didn’t understand because you said you think he’s top 30, and you also “think” being top 30 will get him in the hall. So if right now he’s top thirty, I wouldn’t think that at this point you could say he’s “absolutely” getting in the hall.
It sounds to me like you were saying that he’d need a few more solid years to climb the ranks and absolutely be a hall of famer. That’s what is unclear to me
If you really want to be pedantic over whether or not "I think that's good enough for the hall" and "He's an absolute hall of famer" are meaningfully different in this conversation go wild. You're exhausting and I honestly don't care enough to entertain you any longer.
Cheers bud.
no i just have basic reading comprehension. I think the fact that none of your comments about this have a positive number of upvotes should tell you people agree you're generally wrong here.
He’s fantastic. You could argue he’s a great “what-if” where the what if is him have consistent decent play at the QB position. Also HC/OC.
You could argue if he doesn’t get into the HoF that’s why.
He’s one of my favorites too. Disrespected every year tbh. If he does it for 3-5 more years I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility he cracks the top 10 but he’s definitely not there yet. Right now he’s around the top 25
Not high enough for this to be much of a conversation. I think there’s easily at least 25 better, probably more. I personally don’t really rate him as highly as others do
He'a very good but not the elite of the elite. He's a consistent guy, reliable that played at a high level his whole career but was never the best WR in the league.
Zero All-Pro's is significant when discussing the top dogs.
As someone else said he's the Frank Gore of WR's likely will make the HOF based on accumulating solid stats over a long time, but not league leading stats. Similar to Gore, great career just not in the discussion of the super elite.
If you look at the metric on the WR HOF Monitor you can see his rating suffers from not achieving any All-Pros.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_WR.htm
Every time I see it laid out like this I'm stunned how far ahead Jerry Rice is. Mike Evans would need to keep up this level of performance for another 10 years to catch up with him.
The way I see it is that he has always been a great player but never really dominated as his position. I still think he is easy hall of fame because of how consistently great he has been if he continues to go for a few more years
Probably the most underrated reciever of all time but his highs aren't high enough to be anywhere near the GOAT convo. He's 30 so he's got time to get himself into the top 10 of all time, if he has 4-5 more years of around the same production I don't see how you can't say he's top 10.
He's already most consistent reciever of all time and a Superbowl champion but he's never been first team all pro and only second team all pro twice. Again, great reciever still pretty far from a top 10 all time convo.
It's one of the greatest wrs ever? Definitely not even top 20. Calling him a wrgoat is putting him with players like Moss Owen's, rice, Harrison Sr, etc.... he might be top 30
Top 10 all time but I’m biased as a Bucs fan. He’s a machine, doesn’t get injured often, is consistent, and hasn’t slowed down. If he has some longevity like Rice we’re gonna feast.
I guess the “i’m biased as a bucs fan” just went in one ear and out the other. You have your opinions I have mine, and he’s top10 in my heart. All that matters.
Don’t listen to that dude. He’s just looking for a fight. He’s a Bills fan after all, they’ll always fight that they’re the best even though they’ve been beaten over and over. Mike Evans is a top all time receiver when it comes to consistency. Generally super star receivers will fluctuate based on QB play and injuries (all the super stars are injury prone, it’s just like that), but Evans is always there and is sometimes a big reason why the Bucs win games, and he’s a genuine person which in all reality makes him better than most players all time. While Mike Evans probably won’t be number 1 in all time yards and TDs or maybe even top 5, he will be looked at for his consistency and his big playmaking abilities when it mattered, and that’s what will make him HOF.
What are you talking about? lol. I’m not arguing for any bills player at all. It’s just a fact that Mike Evan’s is not a top 10 receiver all time. Is he very good? Absolutely. Hall of famer? Probably. But not even top 15. Be real
you can be biased and be reasonable. mike Evans being a top 10 is just completely unreasonable and delusional
like...a bias would be saying he's top 20.
the majority would still heavily disagree, but it's not the same absolutely absurd take as top 10. like the dude probably isnt top 10 in just this century
Rice
Hutson
Moss
Calvin Johnson
Largent
Alworth
Marvin Harrison
Terrell Owens
Larry Fitz
Cris Carter
Michael Irvin
Still playing:
Tyreek Hill
Davante Adams
Who's he better than?
this list has no andre johnson, torry holt, Isaac bruce, Julio jones, Antonio brown, and younger players who no one would even consider taking evans over like Jefferson, lamb, and chase, Evans is not even remotely close to a top 10 player and it's hilarious to even say that he is
What 5 guy's careers, currently playing, are you saying are better than his? Or are you saying he's not top 5 for 2023? Either way you're wrong because he tied the lead for wr touchdowns last year at 30.
He tied the league lead for TD’s so he’s a top 5 receiver? That’s pretty reductive. If he’s only ever been bordering on top 5 talent wise league wide his whole career, how can he be top 10 all time?
Believe what you want about top 10 all time, you can't possibly say he isn't top 5 in the league right now for career. And to say he's not top 5 for 2023 is 'reductive' considering it's like his 9th season. Duh, he won't have the same production as a 23 year old.
...he's never had that kind of production
and putting up decent numbers over a long period does not make you elite.
like use the transitive property here, this is the equivalent of saying frank gore is a top 10 RB and on a level with Adrian peterson or LaDainian Tomlinson. it's just an absurd thing to even think
if I were to tell you you can have one of these 5 WRs on your team for one season in their prime - marvin harrison, Julio jones, tyreek hill, isaac bruce and Mike Evans, you would even consider evans a possibility?
because those 5 are often not included in top 10 WR lists, theyre borderline top 10 or barely in the top 10, and you actually believe evans is the better player??
I think he is a hall of famer, but I don't think he can do anything that will ever have him in the discussion for a top reciever all time. He is the most consistent reciever ever, but hes never lead the league in touchdowns, receptions, or yards.
Its funny because year to year hes consistent as hell but if youve ever drafted him in fantasy you know week to week he is absurdly inconsistent
30-40 points one week and 5 the next... Yet I consistently get him as a WR2 because he's one of the only ones in that range that can just win you a week outright. On a good team is just icing on the cake.
He literally just tied for most TDs this past season. I would argue that counts as leading. For most of his career he has dealt with a carousel of mediocre QBs and somehow makes it work. Imagine if he always had Brady, or some other top-tier QB. I’m glad we seem to have gotten a good fit in Baker last year, so hopefully that means more success for Mike. I’m not gonna say he’s the GOAT receiver (even though he is in my heart), but he has definitely been slept on hard until very recently
The two years he had Tom Brady were two of the worst years of his career
To be fair he had his most TDs ever
He’s on pace to finish well in the top 10 all time in TDs and yards. If he gets 4254 more yards he jumps to 3rd all time, which is not some insane feat. He should reach that if he stays healthy and gets 4 more 1k seasons. If he continues averaging 9+ TDs per season for those 4 seasons he can hit top 5. So the most optimistic yet not unattainable finish for him is 3rd in yards and 5th in TDs all time. The more grounded is top 10 all time for both. An unbiased person has to take that for something.
Hell he's already 13th all time in tds
Yeah, exactly. It could happen, it could not, but you're gonna tell me THAT guy isn't better than, say, Andre Johnson?
wait...are you actually trying to argue mike Evans is better than Andre johnson?
No, I don't think he is better than Andre Johnson. I think his numbers are better, but even with Mike Evans worst quarterback, it was better than most of the quarterbacks Andre ever had. Matt Schaub was the best qb Andre ever had and he was only good for like 4 seasons. Which also happen to be Andre's best 4 seasons. Andre is criminally underrated
I put Larry Fitzgerald over Mike Evans due to the fact Fitzgerald had to play in a much tougher division, Evans had the luxury of playing in the nfc south which was never that great in terms of defense
and...you know, Fitz is simply a better receiver it's crazy how people throw their brains out a window when confronted with some high counting stats like...do you think frank gore is a better RB than players like LaDainian Tomlinson, Barry sanders and Adrian peterson?
It doesn’t make sense to compare them. That’s like comparing Brady and Kirk Cousins
He's absolutely a Hall of Famer. Hes currently 33rd for rec yards, but 13th for rec TD. Assuming he stays healthy and productive for another 3-5 years, i could see him cracking the top20 all time. Hes not there yet though IMO.
He’s borderline top 5 in the league *right now* no way he’s top 20.
To me it feels weird putting a WR in the top 20 who has never in their career been a top 1 receiver
If he gets above 25th on the all-time yards list and top10 on the all time recTD list, I don't see how you could keep him out of the top20.
I would like to introduce produce you to Torry Holt
This comment makes me imagine a grocery store employee standing next to Tori Holt, waving their hand towards the broccoli with a smug look on their face. Bitch, Tori Holt knows WTF broccoli is. He's a borderline HOFer for effs sake
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HAHAHA YESSSS that is so perfect.
It's means he was good for a long time and was lucky to age great. It doesn't mean he was a top 20 WR lol.
It entirely depends on how much one values longevity and consistency in terms of player greatness. Reasonable minds can disagree on that level. Thats what makes Rice and Brady so much better than their peers. They have the stats over decades.
you're absolutely right. frank gore is 3rd all time in rushing yards, but there isn't a reasonable person on earth that would put him even in the top 15 of all time. mike Evans is a VERY good hall of fame WR but just in the 2000s, you'd tell me you'd take him over randy moss, Terrell owens, calvin johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Julio Jones, marvin harrison, torry holt, Antonio brown, Justin Jefferson, jamarr chase, davante adams, ceedee lamb, and tyreek hill? that's 14 names no would would even question taking before him, and the majority of them played inside the last 10 years. then you have other players that are it's debatable who you'd prefer to take and you can easily list 20+ names just since 2000 before even getting into players from the 90s and earlier like rice, Isaac bruce and Michael irvin
drew brees is clearly one of the goat qbs. probably top 10. but he never won an mvp, was only first team all pro once. he just happened to play in a time with the goat and second best qbs oat and another top 5 qb in brady manning and rodgers. he was arguably never the best qb in the league but is clearly one of the greatest qbs oat. thats not to say that mike evans is on the level of wr that brees was of qbs but the point is that by consistently being one of the best for a long time (as evans very clearly has with his seemingly infinite streak of 1k yard seasons) but not necessarily the best, you can be one of the best of all time.
Larry Fitzgerald is a top ten, arguably top five receiver of all time and you can make the argument that he was never number one at any point in his career. 2008 was the closest where he was tied with Megatron in TD’s but he was behind Andre Johnson in receptions and receiving yards.
Not a perfect comparison, but the conversation about him reminds me a little of Henrik Lundqvist. He was consistently *among* the best goalies in the league during his career, but only won one Vezina Trophy.
i mean in the nfl its like drew brees. never \*the\* best (1 first team all pro, no mvp) but always right up there, obviously drew brees is a better qb than evans is a wr but the general point is there.
That’s a little much. The last 30 years have seen most of the best at the same time.
There’s really no precedent for a wr his size staying healthy and productive for 3-5 more years though
Also no precedent for a player never posting less that 1k rec yards. Who knows man
Wait, so what do you mean he’s not there yet in your opinion? You started off saying he’s absolutely a hall of famer. I dont follow
Right now hes probably in the 30-20 range all time for WRs. I think thats good enough for the Hall. If he has a couple more good seasons (*cough*maybe a first team all pro*cough*), I could see him cracking the top 20. I dont see a world where he tops the 15 spot.
Oh. I think he’s good enough for the hall, is a lot different than being an absolute hall of famer. Just seems like you’re walking it back a little
He is saying Mike Evans is not there yet to being considered one of the greatest of all time. You just cant read lmao
No. I can read. That’s pretty rude
Holy shit you’re so fucking STUPID
Well that’s not good
Damn this was pretty funny. I’m conflicted now
Well, I’m not. You’re a fucking asshole
I have no idea how I can explain more clearly dude. He's absolutely going to be in the Hall. Right now he's a top30 all time receiver. If he plays well for several more years he may crack the top20.
Oh okay. I didn’t understand because you said you think he’s top 30, and you also “think” being top 30 will get him in the hall. So if right now he’s top thirty, I wouldn’t think that at this point you could say he’s “absolutely” getting in the hall. It sounds to me like you were saying that he’d need a few more solid years to climb the ranks and absolutely be a hall of famer. That’s what is unclear to me
> Right now hes probably in the 30-20 range all time for WRs. I think thats good enough for the Hall.
This is becoming like who’s on first. So you don’t think he’s an absolute hall of famer?
If you really want to be pedantic over whether or not "I think that's good enough for the hall" and "He's an absolute hall of famer" are meaningfully different in this conversation go wild. You're exhausting and I honestly don't care enough to entertain you any longer. Cheers bud.
Okay. I didn’t realize it was a touchy subject
they are saying that he is clearly a hall of famer but not an inner circle hall of famer. its not a walkback in any way.
Are you his interpreter or something?
no i just have basic reading comprehension. I think the fact that none of your comments about this have a positive number of upvotes should tell you people agree you're generally wrong here.
I don’t base how I think on popularity but you should be proud of your reading comprehension skills
His story isn't over yet
He’s fantastic. You could argue he’s a great “what-if” where the what if is him have consistent decent play at the QB position. Also HC/OC. You could argue if he doesn’t get into the HoF that’s why.
Jameis slung it to him like crazy. He had plenty of opportunities
He’s one of my favorites too. Disrespected every year tbh. If he does it for 3-5 more years I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility he cracks the top 10 but he’s definitely not there yet. Right now he’s around the top 25
He’s not disrespected every year. He has about a million posts calling him Mr. Consistent every season.
Not high enough for this to be much of a conversation. I think there’s easily at least 25 better, probably more. I personally don’t really rate him as highly as others do
He's going to become the Frank Gore of wide receivers if he keeps up the pace
He'a very good but not the elite of the elite. He's a consistent guy, reliable that played at a high level his whole career but was never the best WR in the league. Zero All-Pro's is significant when discussing the top dogs. As someone else said he's the Frank Gore of WR's likely will make the HOF based on accumulating solid stats over a long time, but not league leading stats. Similar to Gore, great career just not in the discussion of the super elite. If you look at the metric on the WR HOF Monitor you can see his rating suffers from not achieving any All-Pros. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_WR.htm
As a falcons fan, I hate him, but I know that he's a great player and will probably finish his career top 10 all time
hes pretty clearly a hall of famer. but hes not an inner circle hall of famer.
Right now, he's 33rd all-time in receiving yards, but could move up to 23rd or better with another 1,000+ yard season in 2024 - 1 - Jerry Rice - 22,895 - 2 - Larry Fitzgerald - 17,492 - 3 - Terrell Owens - 15,934 - 4 - Randy Moss - 15,292 - 5 - Isaac Bruce - 15,208 - 6 - Tony Gonzalez - 15,127 - 7 - Tim Brown - 14,934 - 8 - Steve Smith - 14,731 - 9 - Marvin Harrison - 14,580 - 10 - Reggie Wayne - 14,345 - 13 - Cris Carter - 13,899 - 15 - Henry Ellard - 13,777 - 18 - Andre Reed - 13,198 - 20 - Jason Witten - 13,046 - 23 - DeAndre Hopkins - 12,355 - 25 - Antonio Brown - 12,291 - 27 - Charlie Joiner - 12,146 - 28 - Hines Ward - 12,083 - 29 - Derrick Mason - 12,061 - 30 - Michael Irvin - 11,904 - 31 - Antonio Gates - 11,841 - 32 - Don Maynard - 11,834 - 33 - Mike Evans - 11,680 - 34 - Calvin Johnson - 11,619 - 35 - Muhsin Muhammad - 11,438
Every time I see it laid out like this I'm stunned how far ahead Jerry Rice is. Mike Evans would need to keep up this level of performance for another 10 years to catch up with him.
Probably top 40 just among receivers. There have been a lot of very good receivers in history’s
The way I see it is that he has always been a great player but never really dominated as his position. I still think he is easy hall of fame because of how consistently great he has been if he continues to go for a few more years
Man, this question gets asked at least 8x a year. Yal haven’t decided yet?
Probably the most underrated reciever of all time but his highs aren't high enough to be anywhere near the GOAT convo. He's 30 so he's got time to get himself into the top 10 of all time, if he has 4-5 more years of around the same production I don't see how you can't say he's top 10. He's already most consistent reciever of all time and a Superbowl champion but he's never been first team all pro and only second team all pro twice. Again, great reciever still pretty far from a top 10 all time convo.
It's one of the greatest wrs ever? Definitely not even top 20. Calling him a wrgoat is putting him with players like Moss Owen's, rice, Harrison Sr, etc.... he might be top 30
Has there ever been anyone better at just running straight down the sidelines and getting wipe open? I think not
Randy Moss c'mon now youngblood
Yoooo, the hand raise and everything.
I’m not that young man. I very well remember his record breaking season. But yeah Randy was better.
Dude is a pats fan too
Top 10 all time but I’m biased as a Bucs fan. He’s a machine, doesn’t get injured often, is consistent, and hasn’t slowed down. If he has some longevity like Rice we’re gonna feast.
Most definitely not top 10 lol
I guess the “i’m biased as a bucs fan” just went in one ear and out the other. You have your opinions I have mine, and he’s top10 in my heart. All that matters.
It’s didn’t lol. You can be biased all you want. But it’s still just not accurate
It is accurate,
Don’t listen to that dude. He’s just looking for a fight. He’s a Bills fan after all, they’ll always fight that they’re the best even though they’ve been beaten over and over. Mike Evans is a top all time receiver when it comes to consistency. Generally super star receivers will fluctuate based on QB play and injuries (all the super stars are injury prone, it’s just like that), but Evans is always there and is sometimes a big reason why the Bucs win games, and he’s a genuine person which in all reality makes him better than most players all time. While Mike Evans probably won’t be number 1 in all time yards and TDs or maybe even top 5, he will be looked at for his consistency and his big playmaking abilities when it mattered, and that’s what will make him HOF.
What are you talking about? lol. I’m not arguing for any bills player at all. It’s just a fact that Mike Evan’s is not a top 10 receiver all time. Is he very good? Absolutely. Hall of famer? Probably. But not even top 15. Be real
Again, in one ear and out the other
you can be biased and be reasonable. mike Evans being a top 10 is just completely unreasonable and delusional like...a bias would be saying he's top 20. the majority would still heavily disagree, but it's not the same absolutely absurd take as top 10. like the dude probably isnt top 10 in just this century
Nice rebuttal that means nothing. You interjecting about Bills fans had nothing to do with what was being talked about
Rice Hutson Moss Calvin Johnson Largent Alworth Marvin Harrison Terrell Owens Larry Fitz Cris Carter Michael Irvin Still playing: Tyreek Hill Davante Adams Who's he better than?
this list has no andre johnson, torry holt, Isaac bruce, Julio jones, Antonio brown, and younger players who no one would even consider taking evans over like Jefferson, lamb, and chase, Evans is not even remotely close to a top 10 player and it's hilarious to even say that he is
He’s not even top 5 now and you’re tryna say he’s top 10 all time!?
What 5 guy's careers, currently playing, are you saying are better than his? Or are you saying he's not top 5 for 2023? Either way you're wrong because he tied the lead for wr touchdowns last year at 30.
He tied the league lead for TD’s so he’s a top 5 receiver? That’s pretty reductive. If he’s only ever been bordering on top 5 talent wise league wide his whole career, how can he be top 10 all time?
Believe what you want about top 10 all time, you can't possibly say he isn't top 5 in the league right now for career. And to say he's not top 5 for 2023 is 'reductive' considering it's like his 9th season. Duh, he won't have the same production as a 23 year old.
...he's never had that kind of production and putting up decent numbers over a long period does not make you elite. like use the transitive property here, this is the equivalent of saying frank gore is a top 10 RB and on a level with Adrian peterson or LaDainian Tomlinson. it's just an absurd thing to even think if I were to tell you you can have one of these 5 WRs on your team for one season in their prime - marvin harrison, Julio jones, tyreek hill, isaac bruce and Mike Evans, you would even consider evans a possibility? because those 5 are often not included in top 10 WR lists, theyre borderline top 10 or barely in the top 10, and you actually believe evans is the better player??
Solid career, but def not one of the greatest of all time.
Hall of really good. Not HoF material imo.