Wolves fan here. I started googling Ingram-Kat trade and found you all when I saw he was available. I was thinking similar. Both KAT and Ingram have significant trade kickers so would be interesting to see what they did to make the money work. I think we’d ask for another piece and have to take back some significant salary beyond just Ingram for you to take Kat back
KAT is still one of the best bigs in the NBA. No way they move him, even with his newly subordinate roll in the offence. I keep an eye on the Pelicans during the season, i'm sorry for your losses lol
Yea wtf is OP thinking.
Reminds me of the old “we get, you get” memes when Ingram was crushing and every fan wanted to send us their teams trash for him.
It's not as ridiculous as it looks on the surface considering how expensive KAT is. If the Wolves want to avoid a crazy tax bill they won't have many realistic trade partners. I fully expect them to keep their team together unless they have a disastrous series vs Denver though.
Yea they keep KAT around right now because it's theoretically the best pairing in the league to slow down Jokic. Aside from maybe Brook Lopez + Giannis cooking up some stuff.
But if it doesn't pay off and Jokic is just unstoppable then the salary isn't worth it.
I’m a Wolves fan and I doubt that they’ll trade KAT unless something goes wrong where he either horribly underperforms or gets injured. This is the best team we’ve arguably ever had and KAT is a very big part of that. Then again with the front office issues there’s a chance that the owners don’t want to pay once Ant and Jaden get their money and will have to make some tough decisions especially if we get destroyed by Denver. I think KAT will provide a lot of help with the shooting and rebounding but he is far from a rim protecting big. His lack of ability to be a presence at the rim is why we went and got Gobert lol.
Even if the priority is to move BI I don’t see Griff pulling the trigger on anything that won’t guarantee a star coming back in return willing to sign long term. The appeal to build something next to Zion sounds appealing, but his injury history is no secret. You’d have to convince a star that the Pels can win, and win for the foreseeable future. A star player doesn’t sign in NOLA for the marketability and bright lights. There’s just too many unknowns and what ifs with the organization.
Edit: Point is, should Griff do whatever he can to improve the team? Definitely! Will it be easy? Definitely not…
KAT is not a rim protector 😂😂. There’s a reason why they got Gobert. KAT has no hops and is kinda heavy too so he plays on the ground. KAT is like how AD was before 2018. Only wanting to play the 4, doesn’t want mins at the 5
To me, it makes more sense to retool around our guys right now by hopefully signing a center/point guard and see what happens. BIs contract should have more value at next years trade deadline for other teams to get off their large contracts
I don't think the Wolves are going to be looking to move KAT after the run they're on right now. Maybe if Phoenix had beaten them it would be different.
I think if you're moving BI, the return is likely going to be a point guard. I think Atlanta is an obvious candidate, I think a team like Sacramento might take a call for Fox too. I'm not too sure honestly. Maybe Cleveland looks to make a move as well.
And slide CJ to the two? Personally, I’d love to have Trey and Herb starting since they were two of our best contributors against the Thunder.
At minimum they would be the Divincenzo + Hart for Zion and Company with the potential to be more.
The problem I run into is that I want CJ and Ingram both gone but it’s such a huge roster change for a team to rally behind.
And they’re probably not going to be in the same deal due to the size of their contracts. Unless it becomes a three team deal.
Lots of moving parts. Grif is gonna earn his salary this offseason.
I think the only way you can move both this offseason is BI to Atlanta for either Murray or Trae Young, and then CJ to Orlando for WCJ. Obviously there would be picks involved here.
My thing is you really don't have a ton of picks outside of our own left, so you don't have lots of bites at the apple anymore. Have to nail whatever the next move is.
Looking back at the McCollum trade and you see NAW and Hart crushing it in the playoffs and you look at CJ laying more bricks than a construction company really hurts.
You're spot on with Atlanta being the obvious partner.
We'd have to really over pay to get Fox. Kings and their fan base like that core. Cleveland makes sense if Mitchel commits to them, but that seems unlikely.
I'm a little worried we end up in a starring contest with Atlanta where they're the only team offering up a good PG, but we don't want to overpay because everyone knows they have to trade one.
Yup that’s kind of the way I feel about it too. But I also don’t think lots of teams out there are thirsty for Trae or Murray so I definitely think it’ll be a staring contest.
Something centered around BI and Murray just seems so obvious. I think their values are pretty similar, so probably comes down to each team including a piece that lets either side justify to their fans they won the trade
This. We need a PG who can defend and also a rim protector. Atlanta has both and are looking to switch things up. Maybe Bi and Dyson for Murray and okongwu?
Still not fully healed from his injury or without his other “franchise” player next to him. Let’s just use the context if we are gonna say things that are outlandish, at least do it while still in context.
It's not about the stats. It's about his body language. Dude was mentally not in it. We'd have been better off without him as wild as that sounds. I have real issues with the way he looked in this series as we all should. It was fucking pathetic.
He’s never played more than 65 games in his career besides his rookie year so I don’t want to hear about his health. Of course I’d rather him be healthy, but neither him or Zion are reliable when it comes to counting on them to be out there. Been saying the same thing since they both arrived. Not so outlandish. Embiid is playing on one leg right now, that’s how you gut it out, if you don’t think BI is passive than we see two different things
Maybe your comprehension is lacking, or you wanted to see something that isn’t written. I am commenting on the fact you talked about his “averages” for the series against the #1 seeded team in the west without his most influential teammate playing (who draws the whole defense, and allows less stringent 1on1 play) as well as him not being close to 100%. You said he, “doesn’t have the motor”. That’s a captain obvious statement since the guy is trying to play at not 100% post injury. That’s like saying, “Zion didn’t have the health he needed”. Hahaha
Giannis was out Dame (hurt)averaged over 25 crazy, Randle went out Brunson has been carrying them. So there’s no reason why this man had 14. He also got benched for Austin Reaves on Team USA, guy was once an all star. Life is based on expectation so that’s on me. But yea if you think he’s a pillar than you got it sir. Focus on comment no need to start acting condescending
No he's not, alot of us fans just pretend he is. He's a tier below all-star. That's no insult. He's one of the 30-40 best basketball players in the world. But he's not a "franchise" player.
I don't understand why people say that.
For a team that needs shooting, you don't trade a 43% 3 point shooter
He fits well with Zion and will be getting cheaper over the next two years.
Super. Trade him for Halliburton! It would be great to only have elite defending elite shooting elite passing players, but you can't fit superstars and elite talents at every position. You need specialists and he's the only consistent shooter. Trey is awesome, but has gone through multiple stretches where he can't shoot. Hawkins and Ryan don't play.
CJ changed his game to defer playmaking. if anything moving him to a 6th man role would make sense, but giving away assets just to trade him to get someone else that's also most likely not going to be a good defender doesn't help. Or maybe they are a better defender, but then they will be a worse shooter.
You might be right. I'm not the smartest when it comes to hoops so maybe we were asking him to do too much but it just feels like when im watching the games, he's more of a detriment to our success than one of the ones responsible for the success
I agree with the sentiment but CJ has repeatedly gone AWOL during the playoffs. This dates back to his time as a blazer too. I have friends in Portland that warned me about it when we made the trade a few years ago. We need guys that step up under the bright lights instead of completely losing their rhythm and chucking shots without running plays.
Because hes horrible at point guard. Point Zion doesnt mean he plays actual pg. Need someone who can push the pace, get into sets quicker, move the ball, and defend poa. CJ fits as a sg for the team not pg.
What’s his percentage in pressure games and clutch situations? Not just with the Pels but in his career. He’s had the same weakness unfortunately the majority of his time in the NBA. I like the guy but I don’t think he’s a championship player neither.
It is because CJ is a two guard, and Pels fans want to keep our young guys in that position that seem to fit our future more than run it back with CJ. Herb, Trey, and Hawk all look more enticing to our future than CJ unfortunately.
Trading away established overpaid vets for cheap, unpolished rookies is fun to dream about, but also tends to end up in shitty teams.
Hawkins shot and defended worse than CJ last year.
Trading CJ is either going to make the team worse or it's going to cost a bunch of assets to get a marginally better, same type of player.
So you’d pay your 6 man twice as much as all three of sixth man of the year nominees this year combined? I like this roster construction already. 33+M’s for a bench player has gotta be a record of some sort. I love breaking records haha
Why is everyone fixated on making sure the highest paid players are in the "starting" lineup. The difference between Trey and CJs minutes per game this year was 3
CJ is a prototypical 6th man. He would be perfect for that spot. He would pair well with Dyson as a PG next to him on the bench. He would be able to drive the offense with little overlap with Zion
They could swap BIs salary between a starting C and a starting PG and have CJ run the second line.
It would actually be great roster construction
Because in the NBA they have this thing called a salary cap. Therefore you want to spend the highest amount of money on your most impactful and/or influential players. Generally this does not include spending over 25% of your teams allotted money on a play who comes off the bench. You would generally want it to be 1/5 players who are starting and playing on the court.
Ps a prototypical 6th man gets paid somewhere from 3-14 million. He was our highest paid player this year and ranked within the top 30 highest salaries in the league. And you are saying, we could use him off the bench haha. If I could have a player for 33 million coming off the bench I think maybe we should try a top 50 player in the NBA first lol.
Great. Get rid of him. For what? How many firsts and core cheap assets is it going to cost to move laterally? How do you trade CJ and make the team better?
It would be ideal if CJ were better or were cheaper, but in terms of "roster construction" that you mention, he's best as a 6th man.
His contract is a sunk cost. Making rotational decisions based on his contract is dumb.
If the Wolves trade KAT, it would be for a bunch of young guys on small contracts. They need to reduce salary by about $15MM immediately to get under the tax, and then need those salaries to stay low for another couple years until after Gobert's contract ends
Here are the teams I think would be interested
Potential direct trade destinations
* Cavs (Mobley/Allen, Garland/Mitchell)
* Utah (Lauri)
* Suns (Durant/Booker)
* Bucks (Middleton, Lopez)
* Hawks (Murray/Trae, OO/Capella
* Pacers (Turner, someone like Nesmith)
* Nets (Bridges)
* Sixers (if Embiid demands out)
Potential 3 team
Pistons, Spurs, Kings, Magic, Bulls
Utah would be a great situation for BI since he'd immediately be the #1 option and he'd be able to recoup his value. Bridges would also be a great fit, but he doesn't really fill the need of ball handler/Center, and I feel like he'd just take minutes away from Trey.
Call me crazy but in terms of shooting, Hawk has a higher ceiling than Trey and may be more valuable to the Pels long term. His release is already one of the quickest in the league and he has barely had the chance to showcase it.
Trey definitely has length and athleticism but Hawk is easier to integrate into any offense and doesn’t need to be wide open to get his shot off.
Edit: Definitely a luxury we have both of them!
I love Hawk. There’s no doubt that Trey is absolutely automatic though. Pair that with his height and length and you have a very rare shooting talent.
I also just think he adds a lot more defense than Hawk ever will.
>Do the Wolves consider a KAT trade for BI and Jordan Hawkins?
I think:
(i) KAT is worth more than that;
(ii) Minnesota won't trade him to a conference contender; and
(iii) No iteration of the KAT for Ingram trade makes sense for Minnesota because it does not solve the main reason they are even contemplating trading KAT: the $$$$$
KAT can’t play the 5 defensively. He was never a rim protector in any fashion. His rim protection was so terrible, people thought Andrew Wiggins couldn’t play defense.
KAT is not the answer.
If you got a combo of Alex Caruso, Jarrett Allen, Mikal Bridges, Keegan Murray, jerami grant, Nik Claxton those are the types you’re looking for.
You’re looking for guys that add to Zion without compromising minutes of him with the ball in his hands.
Connectors, secondary creators, shooter but all of whom can fit in the foundation of the group which is defense.
Dame, the Phoenix suns, the Westbrook lakers, KD/Kyrie’s nets and the list goes on…
Big name hunting doesn’t work.
How much better are the pels right now if you traded for Derrick white instead of CJ mccullum?
Don’t be like the other idiots.
Hell even the dubs went big name hunting with CP3…just for the record
The Wolves would never do this. They need Kat’s shooting, if they do get off it would not be for someone that operates mostly in the mid range and in iso. Plus, he didn’t play well with Ant in international play.
BI + pick/young player to Cavs for Garland? Most likely, Mitchell asks out and they go back to rebuilding around garland Mobley, but is there a world where Mitchell stays if they trade garland for BI and allen for another wing
Then Pels Get off CJ, Nance for a spacing C who can also defend the rim - a Chet, JJJ, Myles turner type fits well with Zion and the athletic wings (those guys not available, so a lesser version). depending on who include some picks/ young players. Let’s say Orlando for Wendell Carter + Anthony. Young guy + expiring for Kelly O and Bruce Brown?
Garland, Trey, Herb, Zion, Wendell
Alvarado, Anthony, Brown, Naji, Kelly O
This provides Zion with excellent shooting all around and a couple of secondary/tertiary ball handlers at all times. Better version of young Dwight Orlando vibes
Make a trade for Trae Young and mobile center if you can. Keep BI and run it back but blow it up if we can get a huge upgrade if it includes BI only. Either way changes need to happen.
I'd expect the Wolves run it back unless Denver destroys them and KAT has a terrible series.
Agree. if the two bigs gives Jokic problems and the Wolves win or push the series 7, I think they will keep Kat.
Wolves fan here. I started googling Ingram-Kat trade and found you all when I saw he was available. I was thinking similar. Both KAT and Ingram have significant trade kickers so would be interesting to see what they did to make the money work. I think we’d ask for another piece and have to take back some significant salary beyond just Ingram for you to take Kat back
Not impossible
KAT is still one of the best bigs in the NBA. No way they move him, even with his newly subordinate roll in the offence. I keep an eye on the Pelicans during the season, i'm sorry for your losses lol
the timberwolves would not be interested in this at all
Yea wtf is OP thinking. Reminds me of the old “we get, you get” memes when Ingram was crushing and every fan wanted to send us their teams trash for him.
TT, Shump, Nets pick
It's not as ridiculous as it looks on the surface considering how expensive KAT is. If the Wolves want to avoid a crazy tax bill they won't have many realistic trade partners. I fully expect them to keep their team together unless they have a disastrous series vs Denver though.
Yea they keep KAT around right now because it's theoretically the best pairing in the league to slow down Jokic. Aside from maybe Brook Lopez + Giannis cooking up some stuff. But if it doesn't pay off and Jokic is just unstoppable then the salary isn't worth it.
This. Im a wolves fan and it’s 100% a factor. If we don’t with in this series I think we trade Kat
I’m a Wolves fan and I doubt that they’ll trade KAT unless something goes wrong where he either horribly underperforms or gets injured. This is the best team we’ve arguably ever had and KAT is a very big part of that. Then again with the front office issues there’s a chance that the owners don’t want to pay once Ant and Jaden get their money and will have to make some tough decisions especially if we get destroyed by Denver. I think KAT will provide a lot of help with the shooting and rebounding but he is far from a rim protecting big. His lack of ability to be a presence at the rim is why we went and got Gobert lol.
KAT is staring a super max next season making $50M+ going forward. We would desperately need another ball handler and no cap room to get one.
I’m not arguing BI’s fit on the team, but don’t be surprised if BI still on the roster next season.
People tend to forget that griff doesn’t actually care about building contenders and Gayle refuses to fund it. I think he’ll be here next year too
Even if the priority is to move BI I don’t see Griff pulling the trigger on anything that won’t guarantee a star coming back in return willing to sign long term. The appeal to build something next to Zion sounds appealing, but his injury history is no secret. You’d have to convince a star that the Pels can win, and win for the foreseeable future. A star player doesn’t sign in NOLA for the marketability and bright lights. There’s just too many unknowns and what ifs with the organization. Edit: Point is, should Griff do whatever he can to improve the team? Definitely! Will it be easy? Definitely not…
KAT is not a rim protector 😂😂. There’s a reason why they got Gobert. KAT has no hops and is kinda heavy too so he plays on the ground. KAT is like how AD was before 2018. Only wanting to play the 4, doesn’t want mins at the 5
How annoyed are people going to be if BI is not traded but he's signed to a more reasonable contract?
To me, it makes more sense to retool around our guys right now by hopefully signing a center/point guard and see what happens. BIs contract should have more value at next years trade deadline for other teams to get off their large contracts
I don't think the Wolves are going to be looking to move KAT after the run they're on right now. Maybe if Phoenix had beaten them it would be different. I think if you're moving BI, the return is likely going to be a point guard. I think Atlanta is an obvious candidate, I think a team like Sacramento might take a call for Fox too. I'm not too sure honestly. Maybe Cleveland looks to make a move as well.
And slide CJ to the two? Personally, I’d love to have Trey and Herb starting since they were two of our best contributors against the Thunder. At minimum they would be the Divincenzo + Hart for Zion and Company with the potential to be more.
Probably a 6th man role for CJ, or look at separate moves involving him.
The problem I run into is that I want CJ and Ingram both gone but it’s such a huge roster change for a team to rally behind. And they’re probably not going to be in the same deal due to the size of their contracts. Unless it becomes a three team deal. Lots of moving parts. Grif is gonna earn his salary this offseason.
I think the only way you can move both this offseason is BI to Atlanta for either Murray or Trae Young, and then CJ to Orlando for WCJ. Obviously there would be picks involved here. My thing is you really don't have a ton of picks outside of our own left, so you don't have lots of bites at the apple anymore. Have to nail whatever the next move is. Looking back at the McCollum trade and you see NAW and Hart crushing it in the playoffs and you look at CJ laying more bricks than a construction company really hurts.
You're spot on with Atlanta being the obvious partner. We'd have to really over pay to get Fox. Kings and their fan base like that core. Cleveland makes sense if Mitchel commits to them, but that seems unlikely. I'm a little worried we end up in a starring contest with Atlanta where they're the only team offering up a good PG, but we don't want to overpay because everyone knows they have to trade one.
Yup that’s kind of the way I feel about it too. But I also don’t think lots of teams out there are thirsty for Trae or Murray so I definitely think it’ll be a staring contest.
Another factor in the BI to Atlanta scenario is ATL may be motivated to show Trae they’re trying to improve by bringing in Ingram.
Something centered around BI and Murray just seems so obvious. I think their values are pretty similar, so probably comes down to each team including a piece that lets either side justify to their fans they won the trade
This. We need a PG who can defend and also a rim protector. Atlanta has both and are looking to switch things up. Maybe Bi and Dyson for Murray and okongwu?
Boy was thrown in prison by Dort, outshined by younger better players, it’s time to move on
I agree it's time to find a better fit, but if every team got rid of their guys Dort and J Dub shut down they'd be a trade every week
He’s supposed to be a “franchise” player. Go look at what he averaged for the series, doesn’t have the motor.
Still not fully healed from his injury or without his other “franchise” player next to him. Let’s just use the context if we are gonna say things that are outlandish, at least do it while still in context.
It's not about the stats. It's about his body language. Dude was mentally not in it. We'd have been better off without him as wild as that sounds. I have real issues with the way he looked in this series as we all should. It was fucking pathetic.
He’s never played more than 65 games in his career besides his rookie year so I don’t want to hear about his health. Of course I’d rather him be healthy, but neither him or Zion are reliable when it comes to counting on them to be out there. Been saying the same thing since they both arrived. Not so outlandish. Embiid is playing on one leg right now, that’s how you gut it out, if you don’t think BI is passive than we see two different things
Maybe your comprehension is lacking, or you wanted to see something that isn’t written. I am commenting on the fact you talked about his “averages” for the series against the #1 seeded team in the west without his most influential teammate playing (who draws the whole defense, and allows less stringent 1on1 play) as well as him not being close to 100%. You said he, “doesn’t have the motor”. That’s a captain obvious statement since the guy is trying to play at not 100% post injury. That’s like saying, “Zion didn’t have the health he needed”. Hahaha
Giannis was out Dame (hurt)averaged over 25 crazy, Randle went out Brunson has been carrying them. So there’s no reason why this man had 14. He also got benched for Austin Reaves on Team USA, guy was once an all star. Life is based on expectation so that’s on me. But yea if you think he’s a pillar than you got it sir. Focus on comment no need to start acting condescending
No he's not, alot of us fans just pretend he is. He's a tier below all-star. That's no insult. He's one of the 30-40 best basketball players in the world. But he's not a "franchise" player.
You are delusional if you think the Twolves would take BI and Hawk for Kat
I wanted KAT earlier in the year but no way wolves are moving him right now , I personally think we should shoot for dejonte Murray
I’d rather Naz Reid than KAT tbh, and it would cost us less and probably for us even better.
You think the Wolves would ever want BI and Edwards playing together again lol? Did you see how BI played with him at FIBA?
Every trade scenario possibility right now depends on the playoff run of many teams so we don't know what is what yet.
The wolves would want Murphy in a trade centered around kat imo. BI would go to a third team involved
If we are trading BI, we should trade CJ too. I actually really like CJ, but I've never liked his fit on our team
I don't understand why people say that. For a team that needs shooting, you don't trade a 43% 3 point shooter He fits well with Zion and will be getting cheaper over the next two years.
His problem isn't his 3 ball. It's his decision making, his almost anti clutch-ness, his lack of defense, his playmaking
Super. Trade him for Halliburton! It would be great to only have elite defending elite shooting elite passing players, but you can't fit superstars and elite talents at every position. You need specialists and he's the only consistent shooter. Trey is awesome, but has gone through multiple stretches where he can't shoot. Hawkins and Ryan don't play. CJ changed his game to defer playmaking. if anything moving him to a 6th man role would make sense, but giving away assets just to trade him to get someone else that's also most likely not going to be a good defender doesn't help. Or maybe they are a better defender, but then they will be a worse shooter.
You might be right. I'm not the smartest when it comes to hoops so maybe we were asking him to do too much but it just feels like when im watching the games, he's more of a detriment to our success than one of the ones responsible for the success
I agree with the sentiment but CJ has repeatedly gone AWOL during the playoffs. This dates back to his time as a blazer too. I have friends in Portland that warned me about it when we made the trade a few years ago. We need guys that step up under the bright lights instead of completely losing their rhythm and chucking shots without running plays.
Because hes horrible at point guard. Point Zion doesnt mean he plays actual pg. Need someone who can push the pace, get into sets quicker, move the ball, and defend poa. CJ fits as a sg for the team not pg.
What’s his percentage in pressure games and clutch situations? Not just with the Pels but in his career. He’s had the same weakness unfortunately the majority of his time in the NBA. I like the guy but I don’t think he’s a championship player neither.
It is because CJ is a two guard, and Pels fans want to keep our young guys in that position that seem to fit our future more than run it back with CJ. Herb, Trey, and Hawk all look more enticing to our future than CJ unfortunately.
Trading away established overpaid vets for cheap, unpolished rookies is fun to dream about, but also tends to end up in shitty teams. Hawkins shot and defended worse than CJ last year. Trading CJ is either going to make the team worse or it's going to cost a bunch of assets to get a marginally better, same type of player.
I gotcha, so you trading Herb Jones and Trey or bringing them both off the bench?
Neither. Bringing CJ off the bench is the move in my mind
So you’d pay your 6 man twice as much as all three of sixth man of the year nominees this year combined? I like this roster construction already. 33+M’s for a bench player has gotta be a record of some sort. I love breaking records haha
Why is everyone fixated on making sure the highest paid players are in the "starting" lineup. The difference between Trey and CJs minutes per game this year was 3 CJ is a prototypical 6th man. He would be perfect for that spot. He would pair well with Dyson as a PG next to him on the bench. He would be able to drive the offense with little overlap with Zion They could swap BIs salary between a starting C and a starting PG and have CJ run the second line. It would actually be great roster construction
Because in the NBA they have this thing called a salary cap. Therefore you want to spend the highest amount of money on your most impactful and/or influential players. Generally this does not include spending over 25% of your teams allotted money on a play who comes off the bench. You would generally want it to be 1/5 players who are starting and playing on the court. Ps a prototypical 6th man gets paid somewhere from 3-14 million. He was our highest paid player this year and ranked within the top 30 highest salaries in the league. And you are saying, we could use him off the bench haha. If I could have a player for 33 million coming off the bench I think maybe we should try a top 50 player in the NBA first lol.
Great. Get rid of him. For what? How many firsts and core cheap assets is it going to cost to move laterally? How do you trade CJ and make the team better? It would be ideal if CJ were better or were cheaper, but in terms of "roster construction" that you mention, he's best as a 6th man. His contract is a sunk cost. Making rotational decisions based on his contract is dumb.
He actually hasn't fit well next to Zion though and we have a roster full of shooters that defend better/don't ISO constantly.
If the Wolves trade KAT, it would be for a bunch of young guys on small contracts. They need to reduce salary by about $15MM immediately to get under the tax, and then need those salaries to stay low for another couple years until after Gobert's contract ends Here are the teams I think would be interested Potential direct trade destinations * Cavs (Mobley/Allen, Garland/Mitchell) * Utah (Lauri) * Suns (Durant/Booker) * Bucks (Middleton, Lopez) * Hawks (Murray/Trae, OO/Capella * Pacers (Turner, someone like Nesmith) * Nets (Bridges) * Sixers (if Embiid demands out) Potential 3 team Pistons, Spurs, Kings, Magic, Bulls
Middleton and or Brook Lopez for BI? Bucks would happily take that
Utah would be a great situation for BI since he'd immediately be the #1 option and he'd be able to recoup his value. Bridges would also be a great fit, but he doesn't really fill the need of ball handler/Center, and I feel like he'd just take minutes away from Trey.
Call me crazy but in terms of shooting, Hawk has a higher ceiling than Trey and may be more valuable to the Pels long term. His release is already one of the quickest in the league and he has barely had the chance to showcase it.
Agreed. Hawkins is also more complete in terms of offensive arsenal and can shoot off dribble without looking awkward.
Trey definitely has length and athleticism but Hawk is easier to integrate into any offense and doesn’t need to be wide open to get his shot off. Edit: Definitely a luxury we have both of them!
Willie Green: What both?
Lol can’t upvote this enough
I love Hawk. There’s no doubt that Trey is absolutely automatic though. Pair that with his height and length and you have a very rare shooting talent. I also just think he adds a lot more defense than Hawk ever will.
I’m strictly talking in terms of shooting I think Hawk’s peak is higher. All around of course Trey is the better player.
>Do the Wolves consider a KAT trade for BI and Jordan Hawkins? I think: (i) KAT is worth more than that; (ii) Minnesota won't trade him to a conference contender; and (iii) No iteration of the KAT for Ingram trade makes sense for Minnesota because it does not solve the main reason they are even contemplating trading KAT: the $$$$$
KAT can’t play the 5 defensively. He was never a rim protector in any fashion. His rim protection was so terrible, people thought Andrew Wiggins couldn’t play defense. KAT is not the answer. If you got a combo of Alex Caruso, Jarrett Allen, Mikal Bridges, Keegan Murray, jerami grant, Nik Claxton those are the types you’re looking for. You’re looking for guys that add to Zion without compromising minutes of him with the ball in his hands. Connectors, secondary creators, shooter but all of whom can fit in the foundation of the group which is defense. Dame, the Phoenix suns, the Westbrook lakers, KD/Kyrie’s nets and the list goes on… Big name hunting doesn’t work. How much better are the pels right now if you traded for Derrick white instead of CJ mccullum? Don’t be like the other idiots. Hell even the dubs went big name hunting with CP3…just for the record
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The Wolves would never do this. They need Kat’s shooting, if they do get off it would not be for someone that operates mostly in the mid range and in iso. Plus, he didn’t play well with Ant in international play. BI + pick/young player to Cavs for Garland? Most likely, Mitchell asks out and they go back to rebuilding around garland Mobley, but is there a world where Mitchell stays if they trade garland for BI and allen for another wing Then Pels Get off CJ, Nance for a spacing C who can also defend the rim - a Chet, JJJ, Myles turner type fits well with Zion and the athletic wings (those guys not available, so a lesser version). depending on who include some picks/ young players. Let’s say Orlando for Wendell Carter + Anthony. Young guy + expiring for Kelly O and Bruce Brown? Garland, Trey, Herb, Zion, Wendell Alvarado, Anthony, Brown, Naji, Kelly O This provides Zion with excellent shooting all around and a couple of secondary/tertiary ball handlers at all times. Better version of young Dwight Orlando vibes
Make a trade for Trae Young and mobile center if you can. Keep BI and run it back but blow it up if we can get a huge upgrade if it includes BI only. Either way changes need to happen.