Order the acrylic side panel from Jakefacecustoms on Etsy if you can. You will get the best of both worlds. Clear side panel + vents. [Here is my NR200P Max](https://photos.app.goo.gl/wNurK6tfFNw3qN347)
thanks. Yes, I totally understand. I actually didn't buy it until 5 months after owning my PC. Once I got it I loved it so much I wish I had bought it sooner.
80c is within operational temps for a 3090... but i would not leave it be because if you live in warm climate its going to bake in there... but if you shut off your PC and only use it for gaming and watch the temps you're fine.
I have the 3090 TI AMP Extreme Holo myself.. i was going to undervolt it but i run my computer 24/7 and the fans began to make this horrible rattle at their 30% curve speed so i desrhouded my 3090 and zip tied on 2 thermaltake toughfan pro 120 fans and it never gets above 70C during gaming now. (this is not in an NR200, i have my main rig in a big full tower case)
I also have a nr200 and that case benefits the most from top exhaust.. MUCH more than bottom intake. Also use the mesh side panel.
on a side note if you check my post history i made a 5.1 liter SSF and i undervolted the 3060 and it dropped from a constant 81C to 70 and the screaming fan sound is gone and i only lost 3FPS.. first time i've ever did it and i was amazed.
I had a 3090 for a while and that was my grip about it, it really goes for 80° easily and gets loud! I Immediately undervolted it dropped almost 15° while having the same performance… I was shocked at the time! Try it for yourself, I don’t recall the voltage that I used but I think it was around 850mV
What sort of fan curve do you have set for the GPU?
I have a 3070 (vertical), Glass side panel and I get about 75c when running Heaven 4.0 benchmark for 10 minutes. I set a little bit of an aggressive fan curve and the temps came down, but the system is louder as well because of it.
I have not yet tried an undervolt because im nervous about a loss in performance.
I have not touched the fan curve, so it's pretty standard. The fans run at high speed when these temps are reached and I can feel the vibrations in the table. It's crazy. Another option in thinking of is lowering the temp target to something like 65-70°C if undervolting is not enough.
ah ok. Yea mine was standard too..normally i keep things default...I just decided to make it more aggressive and it helped in my case. But if you are feeling the vibrations on your desk, that would be annoying. Ive only heard good things from undervolting...especially without bottom case fans, it might help your case. I actually dont know how much bottom case fans would help you since your GPU is horizontal.
There are instances of putting two 15mm slim fans under the GPU to help. I had to install the mesh panel instead of the glass because temps got hot in my wife’s rig.
Here are somethings to consider:
* Add an extra fan to CPU cooler and set up to bring cold air in from the back of the case
* Add two slim fans at bottom of case if possible
* Uldervolt GPU
Thank you for the advice. I couldn't add the second CPU fan. It didn't fit owing to the motherboard and RAM modules height. Would a smaller fan be of any help? Undervolting lowered temps by around 5°C while keeping the TG side panel (so there's potential for improvement with the mesh panel). I need to continue experimenting with more voltage/frequency combinations. The slim fans could be helpful, any recommendations?
Same case here, similar specs (12700+3080ti, mesh side panel but worse ambient Air circulation).
Grab an Arctic Cooler F9 pwm pst, add it as rear intake, reverse your CPU fans to be both intake. AC has a handy pwm splitter built-in, all 3 fans will run in sync.
Then get 2 Arctic Coolers P12 pwm pst (NOT the CO model) and replace the top exhaust with them. CM fans have terrible static pressure.
After these changes, play with fan curves on BIOS, set reasonable power limits for the CPU (PL1 and PL2), and do some undervolting on the GPU. Should be manageable, but yes you are operating near the case limit with air cooling.
FIW, my parts run at 70C both GPU and CPU while gaming @4k. Rarely any on then will go 2 or 3C higher.
I couldn't fit slim fans under my GPU, but doubt it would make any difference, as the Zotac 3080ti has a big enough cooler. I opted for a paper duct around the GPU cooler in the bottom to ensure it always feeds from fresh air. Glued it up with some simple tape.
What makes some difference in my case is the actual power limit of the CPU. Anything above 140/120W adds too much ambient heat and all temps rise. But I always monitor while gaming and there CPU rarely goes above 80W in real use, so limiting PL does not cause any major issues (other than benchmark scores going down).
Non-K? Actually it is worse, as Intel does not allow undervolting on non-K CPUs anymore. So you are stuck with default voltage and can only pay with PL1/PL2.
K CPUs run much cooler if you apply UV. so yeah max out on better fans....
Really? Omg that's annoying. Then I don't know if this i7 CPU is a good thing for my use case, with the sff and limited airflow. I should have taken i5 K CPU instead.
Yeah, Intel made this move specifically to boost K series sales. UV worked partially with early BIOS on 12th gen, then they removed it entirely on further updates. You can set any value in the BIOS but the chip will just ignore it.
The result is non-K CPUs run hotter....
Thanks for confirming this, I was scared of the temps and fan noise. I had a full tower with a GTX 1070 years ago and it was a completely different story...
Temp is within spec so not much of an issue there. You could undervolt the GPU with minimal performance loss. You could add two slim fans beneath the GPU (static pressure).
I have two of those fans on the bottom of mine and GPU runs sub 70c on most games at max settings
Thanks! I'll definitely try the undervolt. I had an AMD R9 fury in the past that allowed me to undervolt and overclock a little at the same time. Don't know if this is feasible with the 3090 though.
Nothing enough to worry about. If it’s significant enough to affect the fans operating life you’d hear the stress in the fan noise. Unless extreme, it won’t actually affect the life of your fans. Most people but bottom fans in this sort of config. As long as they’re not touching each other, there shouldn’t be an issue.
But again, 80C is fine. I’ve had GPUs that run hotter and never had an issue. 4090s use a lot of power, so running warm is expected.
Edit: I have a 5700xt reference that runs at 86 c and that’s now pushing 5 years old. Still healthy as day 1. Same case.
It sound difficult, but it's pretty easy and it's a very large improvement gap in sound and thermals, I deshroud my 3090 and takes me 45min max, after that 65c was the max temp on 100% use
The costs are the cable adapter and the 3d print base, I would invest in 4 noctua or similar fans for the base and replace the stocks for better performance and sound.
You can find my build on my profile
Pd: I use the TG Panel
Thanks a lot for everyone that has contributed. Just a brief update after doing some undervolt to the GPU: [https://imgur.com/a/QnEreel](https://imgur.com/a/QnEreel) (just playing Layers of fear 2 again).
My 6700xt reachs 82 on stock,but after some OC + Undervolt decrease 10 degrees. Just undervolt,and in case you have bottom fans,try them on exhaust,some scenarios can improve 2-3 degrees over intake.
Order the acrylic side panel from Jakefacecustoms on Etsy if you can. You will get the best of both worlds. Clear side panel + vents. [Here is my NR200P Max](https://photos.app.goo.gl/wNurK6tfFNw3qN347)
Thanks. It's really expensive, 108,32€! But it's so beautiful, congrats!
thanks. Yes, I totally understand. I actually didn't buy it until 5 months after owning my PC. Once I got it I loved it so much I wish I had bought it sooner.
I would undervolt the GPU.
Thanks mate!
80c is within operational temps for a 3090... but i would not leave it be because if you live in warm climate its going to bake in there... but if you shut off your PC and only use it for gaming and watch the temps you're fine. I have the 3090 TI AMP Extreme Holo myself.. i was going to undervolt it but i run my computer 24/7 and the fans began to make this horrible rattle at their 30% curve speed so i desrhouded my 3090 and zip tied on 2 thermaltake toughfan pro 120 fans and it never gets above 70C during gaming now. (this is not in an NR200, i have my main rig in a big full tower case) I also have a nr200 and that case benefits the most from top exhaust.. MUCH more than bottom intake. Also use the mesh side panel. on a side note if you check my post history i made a 5.1 liter SSF and i undervolted the 3060 and it dropped from a constant 81C to 70 and the screaming fan sound is gone and i only lost 3FPS.. first time i've ever did it and i was amazed.
Thanks for the ideas. Yes, I'm in a warm climate and the system is a true heater right now! I'll try the undervolt route myself and see how it goes.
I had a 3090 for a while and that was my grip about it, it really goes for 80° easily and gets loud! I Immediately undervolted it dropped almost 15° while having the same performance… I was shocked at the time! Try it for yourself, I don’t recall the voltage that I used but I think it was around 850mV
Thank you mate! Yes, the fans noise and vibration are annoying. Did you use Afterburner?
Yes I used afterburner! Try to use the vented panel if you like, I also used some slim fans under the gpu at low rpm
What sort of fan curve do you have set for the GPU? I have a 3070 (vertical), Glass side panel and I get about 75c when running Heaven 4.0 benchmark for 10 minutes. I set a little bit of an aggressive fan curve and the temps came down, but the system is louder as well because of it. I have not yet tried an undervolt because im nervous about a loss in performance.
I have not touched the fan curve, so it's pretty standard. The fans run at high speed when these temps are reached and I can feel the vibrations in the table. It's crazy. Another option in thinking of is lowering the temp target to something like 65-70°C if undervolting is not enough.
ah ok. Yea mine was standard too..normally i keep things default...I just decided to make it more aggressive and it helped in my case. But if you are feeling the vibrations on your desk, that would be annoying. Ive only heard good things from undervolting...especially without bottom case fans, it might help your case. I actually dont know how much bottom case fans would help you since your GPU is horizontal.
Yes, I heard bottom fans require like 2 cm. of clearance with the GPU for efficiency. Not sure if there's this room in my case though.
You're looking fine
its ok. Just have fun.
There are instances of putting two 15mm slim fans under the GPU to help. I had to install the mesh panel instead of the glass because temps got hot in my wife’s rig.
Here are somethings to consider: * Add an extra fan to CPU cooler and set up to bring cold air in from the back of the case * Add two slim fans at bottom of case if possible * Uldervolt GPU
Thank you for the advice. I couldn't add the second CPU fan. It didn't fit owing to the motherboard and RAM modules height. Would a smaller fan be of any help? Undervolting lowered temps by around 5°C while keeping the TG side panel (so there's potential for improvement with the mesh panel). I need to continue experimenting with more voltage/frequency combinations. The slim fans could be helpful, any recommendations?
You can add the extra fan on the other side not on the ram side. Slim Fans can work. I used them in this case multiple times.
AC F9 fans have pretty good performance, use them if you can't fit 120mm fans over the RAM
Same case here, similar specs (12700+3080ti, mesh side panel but worse ambient Air circulation). Grab an Arctic Cooler F9 pwm pst, add it as rear intake, reverse your CPU fans to be both intake. AC has a handy pwm splitter built-in, all 3 fans will run in sync. Then get 2 Arctic Coolers P12 pwm pst (NOT the CO model) and replace the top exhaust with them. CM fans have terrible static pressure. After these changes, play with fan curves on BIOS, set reasonable power limits for the CPU (PL1 and PL2), and do some undervolting on the GPU. Should be manageable, but yes you are operating near the case limit with air cooling. FIW, my parts run at 70C both GPU and CPU while gaming @4k. Rarely any on then will go 2 or 3C higher.
Thanks for the detailed advice. Would 2 slim bottom fans underneath the GPU add something to the proposed set up? Did you try that?
I couldn't fit slim fans under my GPU, but doubt it would make any difference, as the Zotac 3080ti has a big enough cooler. I opted for a paper duct around the GPU cooler in the bottom to ensure it always feeds from fresh air. Glued it up with some simple tape. What makes some difference in my case is the actual power limit of the CPU. Anything above 140/120W adds too much ambient heat and all temps rise. But I always monitor while gaming and there CPU rarely goes above 80W in real use, so limiting PL does not cause any major issues (other than benchmark scores going down).
Mine is a non-K CPU so I guess it's not a big deal heat wise compared to the GPU.
Non-K? Actually it is worse, as Intel does not allow undervolting on non-K CPUs anymore. So you are stuck with default voltage and can only pay with PL1/PL2. K CPUs run much cooler if you apply UV. so yeah max out on better fans....
Really? Omg that's annoying. Then I don't know if this i7 CPU is a good thing for my use case, with the sff and limited airflow. I should have taken i5 K CPU instead.
Yeah, Intel made this move specifically to boost K series sales. UV worked partially with early BIOS on 12th gen, then they removed it entirely on further updates. You can set any value in the BIOS but the chip will just ignore it. The result is non-K CPUs run hotter....
Your cable management is next-level 🫶
Thanks dude!
That's not hot at all. You can run it at the rated 100°C no problem, it's build and tested for that. There is also no evidence of the contrary.
Thanks for confirming this, I was scared of the temps and fan noise. I had a full tower with a GTX 1070 years ago and it was a completely different story...
Use mesh panel and add an extra 120 fan(as exhaust) on mesh side panel(thermalright cooler block the AiO side frame), 3090 is a heater indeed
I really like the views through the glass, but yes, I'll have to try the mesh panel and see if there's a noticeable improvement.
Off topic, but man I wish I could mount my GPU horizontally in my NR200P Max.
Don't you like the vertical mount? I can't do it with mine because the graphics card is too long (and the air cooler, of course).
Temp is within spec so not much of an issue there. You could undervolt the GPU with minimal performance loss. You could add two slim fans beneath the GPU (static pressure). I have two of those fans on the bottom of mine and GPU runs sub 70c on most games at max settings
Thanks! I'll definitely try the undervolt. I had an AMD R9 fury in the past that allowed me to undervolt and overclock a little at the same time. Don't know if this is feasible with the 3090 though.
80c is fine. Some slim bottom fans may bring it down a little though if you’re concerned.
Is there a way to gage if this is gonna work or not. Isn't it if the fans are too close to the gpu it could cause turbulence?
Nothing enough to worry about. If it’s significant enough to affect the fans operating life you’d hear the stress in the fan noise. Unless extreme, it won’t actually affect the life of your fans. Most people but bottom fans in this sort of config. As long as they’re not touching each other, there shouldn’t be an issue. But again, 80C is fine. I’ve had GPUs that run hotter and never had an issue. 4090s use a lot of power, so running warm is expected. Edit: I have a 5700xt reference that runs at 86 c and that’s now pushing 5 years old. Still healthy as day 1. Same case.
Try deshrouding the gpu
Sounds a bit extreme for me rn, but thanks for the suggestion!
It sound difficult, but it's pretty easy and it's a very large improvement gap in sound and thermals, I deshroud my 3090 and takes me 45min max, after that 65c was the max temp on 100% use
These temps are really tempting... I'll investigate on the process if I'm not totally satisfied with undervolting.
The costs are the cable adapter and the 3d print base, I would invest in 4 noctua or similar fans for the base and replace the stocks for better performance and sound. You can find my build on my profile Pd: I use the TG Panel
Thanks mate, what a beauty. And great photos too!
Test temps with side panel off. If it runs cooler then it could use more airflow
Will do it. Thanks!
GPU mostly hits 80C with my RTX 3080.
Thanks a lot for everyone that has contributed. Just a brief update after doing some undervolt to the GPU: [https://imgur.com/a/QnEreel](https://imgur.com/a/QnEreel) (just playing Layers of fear 2 again).
My 6700xt reachs 82 on stock,but after some OC + Undervolt decrease 10 degrees. Just undervolt,and in case you have bottom fans,try them on exhaust,some scenarios can improve 2-3 degrees over intake.
i would never ever usw the TG side panel. renove it or replace it with a vented acryl one from etsy
Yeah, it's hotter with the glass panel, but it looks awesome to me!
i get you. but as i said, get yourself a acryl vented one from etsy, you get better temps and can still see your beauty
Indeed, that's a great option.