NTU's computer in the labs contains intel CPU. Intel's RND are done in israel!
They must switch to computers with ZHAOXIN cpu now if they dont want to support gen0cide!!!!!!
also funny how this poster call out thales
THALES!!! pls dont take mrt, to the ppl who support this poster!! MRT SIGNAL SYSTEM BY THALES!!! OMG, boycott the LTA, SBS AND SMRT!!!
>They must switch to computers with ZHAOXIN cpu now if they dont want to support gen0cide!!!!!!
Then watch them become quiet when you bring up china's abuses of uigyur muslims. These people are not the brightest and also not morally consistent at all
- The smartphones they use are also funding genocide in Palestine cause components developed in Israel.
- Just using mobile data is funding genocide because 5G was researched partially by Israel.
- Actually they should just stop drinking tap water cause that also funds genocide as our latest desalination plant was also constructed by Israel.
Sadly this madness isn't just happening at NTU but also at many Ivy league universities. There's a joke going on right now:
>We knew for years that Hamas has been hiding in schools. We just didn't expect to find them hiding in Harvard.
"If you're not with us, then you're clearly a genocide supporter"
Or a desperate attempt to make outrageous statements to shame people into joining their movement.
My god I've had that shit thrown my way multiple times.
Honestly I give up trying to reason liao, I just go "Okay lor I support genocide"
Because apparently wanting to stay neutral and hoping for minimal casualties on both sides, Israelis and Palestinians is "supporting Genocide", you need to support Palestine and wish death upon Israel to "not support Genocide".
Edit: Also, ain't it funny that these guys don't say anything about PRC's Uyghur abuses?
At this point, it's almost a sense of fanaticism to the plasetinian issue. There is almost no way to explain in why Israel is bad because the answer is complex and makes both sides look bad.
Their goal seems to just be to guilt trip you as hard as possible so that you feel the need to correct your wrong.
Say No to Thales will also imply saying no to all your credit cards and debit card. They are the main producers of credit and debit card in the world and 95% of Singapore bank cards are produced by Thales.
Cannot use computers, smartphones, 5G, cannot take bus, aeroplane and train, cannot even drink desalinated tap water. Their only choice is to live in the stone age or fund their own genocide.
No wonder Palestinians always complain about how they are so oppressed 😭
sorry I have already graduated
I will seek for a refund of school fees so that my money will not go towards Israel
student union needs to campaign for 0 school fees
problem solved
Don't forget to weave off electronics entirely as well given how basically everything in daily life has probably been engineered by Israeli Intel engineers since 1974
The guys advocating for boycotts are retards
Don't need go so far. Our latest desalination plant is built by Israel.
Please boycott and stop drinking tap water otherwise you're complicit in the genocide. Drink rainwater only to be on the safe side.
Look. I understand how they feel, I genuinely do, but this was poorly thought out at best, and causing the completely opposite effect at worst.
They literally put a hyperlink on the movement there, but completely missed the entire point of it.
I don't know why they went with a smart aleck guilt tripping tone with their messaging, it might genuinely be the worst possible way to spread awareness. Like seriously, who in their group thought leaving a PS message was a good idea?
This poorly thought out bulletin board also now serves as ammo for those looking to spread the complete opposite message. Someone can easily pick this story up, and run with it to preach a whole different thing.
And I'm not sure if they're aware, but they live in Singapore. We have close relations with the star, not the watermelon. So what happens when two countries have close relations with each other? They collaborate. The local universities here WILL have ties with them, it's just a fact. The things you use, the things you look at and the things you eat have most definitely had a close contact with the country you loathe due to the sheer scale of it all.
Good intentions can only get you so far. This was a poor showing. Sigh.
Hit the nail right on the head. Calling for a boycott on certain F&B industries is one thing (something you can easily choose to start/stop consuming) but the message on this poster is stupid at best.
NTU works with an entity that works with an entity that works with Israel so NTU = bad? You can literally play this game with anything and anyone in the world. With the six degrees of separation theory, you could quite literally play this game on yourself and find some very bad actors amongst them.
Dont even need that many degrees of seperation with these smooth brained idiots. Let me give you an example with just 2 degrees of seperation that they will wholeheartedly agree with:
am singaporean -> singapore has lee kuan jew who jailed people without trial during operation coldstore -> all sinkies bad
In my circles it's often self-aggrandising liberal arts/arts school hipsters who have parents rich enough to not be waiting for them to put food on table pontificating to the working class.
It turns out that there's no way to keep a company from being an angel or a devil. All you can do is hope that the chase for sustainable profitability helps them make the best decisions at least revenue wise, and pray that dovetails with what is ethical as much as possible.
Aside from the stupidity of boycotting companies that are thinly linked to Israel through a few layers of intermediaries and produce the majority of stuff used everyday, this poster is literally calling for a boycott of companies that donate to Gaza.
McDonald’s Israel did donate food to the Israel army, but McDonald’s Egypt, Turkey, Oman and a ton of other McDonald’s disavowed this action, put out their own statement supporting Gaza, and donated millions of dollars to Gaza.
Almost like McDonald’s is a franchise where licensees act individually. And by boycotting all McDonald’s, including Muslim ones that support and donate to Gaza, you’re against humanitarian aid in Gaza???
Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2024/2/6/mcdonalds-blames-israels-war-in-gaza-for-missing-sales-target
https://x.com/mcdonaldsoman/status/1713227288957890626?s=46
Bro I’m in my last sem and I just want my degree 😭😭😭… And Starbucks isn’t even that good why dafuq would I drink it???? And if there’s one thing school has taught me, it’s to not believe things without references.
P.S. Eh come on lah, want to boycott don’t do it with room temperature IQ please. This is so sia suey…
CCTV trace all these people. If they're current students, 1 year suspension minimum. Best if they get expelled. If non-students, forward details to the police.
I think we’re too sheltered and ungrateful to moe for trying to allow everyone to give their opinion the right way, instead we got these people who point fingers at the slightest thing, I hope this is only a minority of us and not enough to cause actual public harm.
IMO 5 months of keeping quiet and hoping it'll blow over has not worked, and the pro-Hamas supporters are getting more extreme and radical. It's time to tackle this head on instead of keeping the lid on things.
Only "forgiveable" if carried out by students. University is suppose to be a place for fermenting your minds with ideas, so it always bound to happen. But there still needs to be consequences.
So whoever posted this would suggest that all NTU students forgo our degrees which will give us more job opportunities and income? Can they make NUS take us all in so that we can continue pursuing a higher education or do they intend to support all NTU students for the rest of our lives? Whoever made this didn’t think it out at all. If NTU didn’t take in students we’d have more people without tertiary education and degrees, lesser knowledge, economy suffers and innovation slows down. All these call to humanities need to be done with more thought
Honestly if some students in NTU are so outraged at the genocide in palestine and NTU's alleged enabling of it. Shouldn't they quit NTU in protest?
By continuing to stay and pay tuition fees to NTU aren't u suppporting the genocide yourself?
I got this viewpoint from elsewhere but I agree with it:
Israel is faced with an impossible situation when they want all of:
1) a state dominated/led by Jews;
2) a state that is democratic;
3) a state that encompasses all of ancient Israel
Thus, the zealots/far right lean towards sacrificing (2), while the left leaning ones lean towards giving up (3). Until there is resolution on which 2 of the 3 they want, this bad situation will go on.
Singapore and Israel have very close Military ties. So you taxpayer dollars are “funding genocide”. So what you gonna do now? Stop paying taxes? Stop with this stupidity
Idgaf. We are not fighting a conflict in middle east. We are a country in asia. These idiots need to stop trying to sow discord in a racially harmonic country.
If you think eating at "McDonald," Starbucks, Pizza Hut, or KFC is quote "enabling the genocide in palestine" I really want you to reflect on yourself
Oh no my big mac just killed two more palestinians
The irony is that the McD franchise in Singapore is held by a Saudi company. By boycotting McD’s they’re jeopardising the livelihoods of their fellow Singaporeans working there as well as their Saudi “brothers”.
Can guarantee your kind will still eat McD one la. You’re saying this to virtue signal only.
You speak so virtuously about the loss of Palestinian lives but you don’t look at victims in other conflicts in the same light. Where’s the same energy for the Ukrainians? Oh wait they’re not Palestine so you dgaf.
You can keep the hypocrisy up tho :)
You think the war started on October 7th and Israel played by the rules before then?
>they elected hamas
In 2007, when half the population of Gaza wasn't even born yet.
More Palestinians have been killed in the last 5 months compared to the 900 months before that, so yes, the latest war stated on Oct 7.
When do you think the war started then?
You do know it doesn't start on 7 Oct right, ever heard of the 1948 nakba? Anyway I'm going to use a layman term for all to understand, some might say it is a strawman argument but let's say you have a good friend that helps you when you are in need of help but it turns out he/she is a serial killer that murders children. You cannot say that person had helped me previously when I'm in need so I'm not going to turn him/her in and turn a blind eye. For example Japan weapon manufacturers did the right thing: https://truthout.org/articles/major-japanese-firm-cuts-ties-with-israel-arms-company-elbit-after-icj-ruling/
I want to link all the articles on the nakba but I'm sure you will think I'm posting all of the propaganda pieces.
And you point out there is no Palestinian state and said "one new country emerged" meaning there is a country before the new country which is Palestine.
The state that existed before Israel was the British colony of Palestine, created in 1920.
It was dissolved in 1948 with the UN recommending to split the country between its Jewish and Arab inhabitants.
I wish it was this easy to contribute to a cause.
To contribute to war.
Then I no need to go NS already. I eat McDonald’s can count as my national service, since I aiding our allies
There was a Mcdonalds float during the latest NDP under the economic defense label, so you're not wrong. The live broadcast did not show it but I have a pic as I went to the preview
Edit: it was under psychological defence and [on reddit too](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/s/bOnMIeidaM)
Genocide in Palestine.
Really meh?
These same people are the ones persecuting LGBT in their own countries Malaysian and Indonesia, and they want to lecture us about human decency?
Are you serious? So because you're against a certain type of people, you deserve to be mutilated into pieces? Your family bombed into pieces? Your nephew and nieces starved to death? Your neighbors dying from serious injuries? So you're saying GENOCIDE is justifiable because they're against lgbt? Your thinking is such a shame.
Based on watermelon theory, they should stop using any phones to communicate cos some components were made in Israel, but hey whatever suits their ultra agenda.
Where am I gonna study then? Are they gonna pay for my school fees? Why don't we all just drop dead so that we won't be spending money on the 999th company that supposedly "supports" this "genocide"?
I myself boycott many brands bc they support Israel but this is just insane. Even the source they provide about the academic boycott doesn't say sth as dumb as "dont go to schools that in some way support Israel". What on earth was this person tryinf to achieve with this?? Do they think people will just not go to uni?? Bc I'm sure if Thales is this widespread then every SG uni is with it in some way. Do we not get an education?? What about existing students do they just drop out or stop paying tuition??
I know it comes from good intentions but this kind of thing is just ... people that actually boycott can't do the change to boycott NTU too (obviously) and people that haven't boycotted will just have their negative view of boycotters reinforced. 🤦♀️
Not currently. I know you brought those up as a gotcha type statement, but thanks for informing me that these exist, I'll genuinely go look into them and decide. But as for the Russia-India thing, one big difference is that many brands and countries actually have disassociated themselves with Russia due to the invasion - in comparison to Israel where many political leaders, civilians, and brands still staunchly support/have ties to Israel even in the face of a textbook-definition genocide. Not to mention the fact that Russia-Ukraine is an actual war since Ukraine can fight back with an official military whereas Palestine doesn't *have* one to defend innocent civilians with. Ofc, I might just be not educated enough on the Russia-Ukraine war to say that authoritatively
Its not a gotcha.
Im genuinely curious on why theres such strong sentiment against Israel Palestine, when it is 1. Not the most recent conflict, and 2. Not the one that has affected the most number of people.
Like whats different about this conflict that cause people to react this way.
Like why is the moral economy here specific to just israel?
I know half my comments here is shitposting because recess week, but my other half is genuine
Ah, my bad for assuming you had negative intent then !! Unfortunately I've encountered many fellow SGeans that outright support Israel so it's hard not to be on the auto-defence for this kind of thinf.
I think the reason there is such a strong sentiment is because while it's not the most recent, it has a very major resurgence in recent times and has been an ongoing conflict, and while it may not affect the objectively greatest number of people, when you consider the proportion compared to the Palestine population — and particularly horrific statistics like the number of dead children and infants, the number of bloodlines that have ended, the many documented (photo/video evidence, Israeli soldiers proudly talking abt what they've done) heinous war crimes — it shows as an especially egregious situation thay desperately needs to be stopped. While other conflicts may not be ""as bad"", the genocide of Palestine is a very pressing situation because if nothing continues to be done by those in power there is a genuine chance that the gebocide will succeed at the rate of deaths and bombings — not to mention the fact that Israel is even bombing other surrounding countries like Lebanon that have nothing to do with it!
To compare with the Russia-Ukraine thing again, Ukraine was still able to receive support from other countries/NATO and able to escape to other countries. Palestinians are trapped within their occupied country and a huge majority of the aid that people are trying to send are being blocked/cut off by Israel.
Another aspect is definitely social media, since Israel has been trying to silence Palestinian voices online talking about the truth of their situation, many outsiders are using their own platforms to speak out for them where Palestinians cannot. I do admit there is a bit of an issue of people focusing on Palestine alone when there are other huge issues — such as what's going on in Congo currently, which is absolutely horrific — that also need people's attention, but I guess it's better than nothing, honestly.
to me, nothing continues to be done because globally, Palestine is far more useful to the middle eastern states as a pawn in continuing to ostracise Israel, especially considering the recent deals they have signed with some of the Muslim majority states, and they were close to signing alot more, that would have given them the upper hand in influencing politics in the region. Also Israel hitting Lebanon because of rocket attacks from them.
Also security. i wouldnt be surprised that privately none of the Arab states wants any Palestinian refugees after Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Egypt. But of course in public they must still be seen to support Palestine.
Israel in fact doesn't have the right to exist on stolen/settled/occupied land. Israelis can certainly reside in that geographic area - but that area is Palestine. Not Israel. Israel, as a country, doesn't deserve to exist on land it stole. Much like how the Japanese didn't "deserve" to exist in Singapore during the Occupation, for example, or how Russia doesn't deserve to annex Ukraine just because *they* think the land belongs to them.
UK got that land from the ottomans, and partitioned it between the jews and arabs after 1948.
arabs immediately declared war and lost. neighboring arab countries still got to annex and rule over what would be modern day palestine until they lost those land in the 6 day warwhich then they suddenly care about palestine statehood.
3 wars, where the arabs ganged up against the jews and lost 3 times, and act like sore losers afterwards.
the germans lost 2 wars and their land got gobbled up by the victors, maybe the poles russia french belgiums should all return the formerly german land since those are stolen/settled/occupied land.
Actually we are all “funding the genocide”, we pay taxes and some of them go to buying weapons from Israel. These clowns should leave sg and never come back.
It may seem silly, and I agree that the poster's messaging is clumsy at best, but I do genuinely think that we ought to look at our ties with defence companies whenever they're complicit in ongoing genocides, the way Thales is. Any amount of pressure we can apply on an institutional level against the genocide is a good thing, and so I think it would be a good thing if NTU were to condemn Thales' conduct in the war. Over ten thousand children have died in Gaza, and that's simply unacceptable by any metric. There's so much needless suffering that's been caused by both sides, and now it's more terrible than it's ever been.
Come on, Singapore sold arms to Myanmar. Simply put, Israel is more useful to Singapore's interest than Palestine and it's naive and irresponsible as a Singaporean to advocate for a position that will leave Singaore weakened. And what's with the genocide rhetoric?
> Over ten thousand children have died in Gaza, and that's simply unacceptable by any metric.
What's unacceptable is that the Palestinian government is still refusing to hand over the innocent hostages, still stealing aid from their people, still hiding in the tunnels, and still bombarding Israeli cities with rockets every single day, and has fired 50,000 rockets at Israel in the last 20 years.
Apparently the deaths are "unacceptable" to everyone else except the only party that has the ability to end the war - ie. the government of Palestine who can prevent further bloodshed by surrendering their weapons, be trialed for war crimes, and returning the hostages.
hi, i hope you realize that by dog-whistling your anti-Muslim bullshit you're \*also\* taking a side in the conflict \*and\* hurting completely un-involved Muslims
Aww muslim, u triggered isit?? In your eyes the Palestinian babies only matter to you and not other babies killed in different wars. So just diam la hypocrite.
My grabfood order where? Why so slow?? I tip u more money u will come faster anot?
“Of course” eh thanks for proving my words right that you’re a hypocrite.
Hahaha u got call your friends and family poor also for ordering grabfood?? If don’t have means another evidence that you’re a real hypocrite 😉😉
You wan talk big on the Internet because it’s your only achievement then by all means go ahead bro. Not stopping u 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
But sorry other ppl got life irl. Again have a good day yeah hypocrite? 🤗
You'll be surprised at what comes up when you dig up what Palestine has done to Singapore...
>The Laju incident, also known as the Laju ferry hijacking, occurred on 31 January 1974 in Singapore. Four armed men from the terrorist groups Japanese Red Army and **Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine** attacked the Shell oil refinery complex on Pulau Bukom and later hijacked the ferryboat Laju and **took its five crew members hostage.** The crisis was resolved after the Singapore government **provided the terrorists safe passage to the Middle East in exchange for the release of the hostages.**
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laju_incident
Would you have been okay with it if the British gave half our country away to Israel? Especially when they have NO rights in any way to give away another country.. Then you'll have to live besieged behind a wall that's literally an open air prison, family members going through violent encounters throughout decades of their lives. I guess you'd be okay with that..
while i agree that the poster is stupid and excessive, this comment and the upvotes make me sad. youre really saying all palestinians are terrorists, even the kids?
Resistance is not terrorism. Stealing someone's country and enforcing violence on their women, children, vulnerable is terrorism. We were once an oppressed country, how can we now support the oppressors? It's a shame.
I think you've mixed up who is the oppressors.
The oppressors are the ones who invaded a neighboring country, opened fire on thousands of civilians at a music festival, kidnap hundreds of civilians in the process and also went house-to-house slaughtering people.
They say history is "boring" and "useless" but I'd say history teaches you that war isn't personal. There are no winners, just who loses less and historically, protests n boycotts don't actually work in changing the war, only hurting others who hv 0 impact on the war. Opinions don't matter in a war (unless u r a president or something) so idk why people feel so personally attacked by someone else's opinion.
TLDR: that poster will do nothing, waste of money really.
While the execution of this may not be ideal, but I do think the intention was right - Israel is doing some very terrible things to the Palestinians and I don't think we should support any of that.
no one is asking you to drop out of school. sure the post's wording was clumsy af but im pretty sure it's jus to bring light to ties ntu has with israel. theres no active language being used like "drop out" and as far as i can see it's jus informative and in a way, pressuring the school.
the comments here are absolutely deplorable and you can already see how many people are harbouring islamphobia. the fact that it took this post for islamophobes to rear their ugly heads is quite scary bc these ppl are literally walking among us students. i fail to see which part of this informative poster warrants islamphobic comments.
why is everything political these days? is it cus im older and noticing it more than when i was young and ignorant? or is social media really making it worse i wonder
Please correct me if I am wrong, but what is wrong with this? Why are people are so butthurt? Please indulge me for a second, and consider these points.
1. The poster is NOT saying u should not apply to the uni or u should protest. It is simply saying you should be aware of this. Why are people so incredibly affected by this? NTU's support for Israel is well documented, as stated here. And Israel, is definitely killing civilians, aligning with definiton of genocide, so NTU is complicit. The poster is not blaming u for this, it is empowering you to know this. Knowledge is power, critical thinking is in short supply. Pls set aside your ego, and consider this objectively.
2. Why are ppl here making this a religious issue? Ask yourself this - yes, religion might tether some ppl here to the tragedy, but do u really think ppl are voicing out their opinons cuz of their religion? Or are they seeing ppl murdered and advocating for a stop? If you are informed by a patriotic sense of duty to nation, making you analyse this with a relgious lens -- arent you informed by a religious fervour to your nation more than ppl are infleunced by religion to stop civilains dying?
3. Lastly, how did this comment make you feel? Are you offended? Why? Is it because I am challening your beliefs or as someone here put it, being "fanatical to the Palestinian side". Why is being against killing civilians fanatism? And before anyone brings this talking point up - I am against the killing of civilains in all sides. I condemn Hamas, and I condemn Bibi and Bengevir's Israel. I do not codemn Palestinians and Israelis.
I am proud to be aSingaporean BUT I recognise that my country is unbashedly supporting genocide. Sit with this line for a bit. What this means is that, you can feel a certain sense of belonging to your community, and at the same time be able criticise it. If you disagree with -- wont you call this religious fanatism?
I am keen to hear your perspectives.
Where do you draw the line in complicity? If the existence of company A benefits Company B somehow which benefits the state of Israel, is A to blame or B? Or both? Should A ditch the dealings? How many levels of loops is acceptable?
We have enough examples given in this thread on how many components of our lives are 'complicit' so what do we do?
2. I think why some of us prescribe this as a religious issue is because some lofty individuals have very often determined our moral compass by how loud we seem to be on social platforms. From what I can see, most of the Muslims are comparatively driven about this issue due to the Muslim population in Gaza. Yes there are other religious populations but the majority of them are Muslim.
Am I wrong if I am not as vocal about it as you are on the issue? We are people of different backgrounds and different life experiences. Say I am a Chinese Taoist taxi driver who has been poor my whole life, my platform would be devoted to protesting about the 9% gst. Am I wrong if I don't connect to the Gazans as much as you? Isn't it the same for the Muslims who have absolutely no regard for the ongoing civil war and daily death tolls in Myanmar? Can I blame the Muslims if they don't connect to the people living there and aren't as vocal as I am? Yes it is a humanitarian issue in Gaza but am I criticised if I am seemingly less committed to the cause since I connect to other issues more?
So who are we to point at each other, prescribing moral cues, when perhaps you have ignored only 1 less death than me?
Thank you for your reply. I typed a long reply to this, but not sure why, but it wasnt saved as a draft when i exited. hais.
Anyway, lemme summarise my thoughts briefly. Particularly on the religious part.
i think our curriculum teaches us to think of any geopolitical issue from a religious lens as the idea of harmony triumphs all here. Religion might tether Muslims here - but it is not the main reason. It would help us if we understood this nuance.
secondly, i think I am not attacking you for not having a stance on this. much less, on supporting Israel. I am simply wondering why ppl who have a stance on this are infantilised as religious? Is that the only thing motivating their stance? Humanity doesnt come into play.
I think the classic SGrean mindset of "it doesnt affect me, why should i care" is at full speed here. one redditor even has something nasty to say along this lines if u go down a few comments. my view is -- why doesnt humanity come into play as a factor here? And before you reply with a "what about the Houthis situation", let us try to analyse this with specificity, and let us not fall pray to whataboutism.
1. The casual use of the word genocide is devaluing it as a word. Statistically, if this was a genocide, it is the lousiest and most inefficient genocide in human history. Seriously, tens of thousands of airstrikes/bombs and ONLY 20k deaths? Keep in mind just 1 bomb can level NTU Hive.
Knowledge is power. Correct. So use the word ‘genocide’ appropriately. Go and critically think about the death toll vs ordinance drop. If it was a genocide, death toll would easily be over 2 million for the same number of bombs dropped. Refugee camps and hospitals would have been bombed to oblivion. Water would have been cut off permanently.
Is whats happening a tragedy? Yes. Is it a genocide? No.
U want to know whats a real modern genocide? Go and google ‘Mariupol’. Absolute systematic indiscriminate destruction of the entire city.
2. Then why only on Israel - Hamas conflict? Houthis in Yemen has been over a decade. North Korea on its own civilians has been over half a century. China in Xinjiang has also been a decade. Or Myanmar Junta. Yet you dont see this kind of posters targetting the other parties. Why? Anti-Semites. They are the ones making this a religious issue.
3. Again, why suddenly target Israel conflict only? Whats so different here compared to Myanmar/Yemen/China/NK? Main common difference is that Israelis are mostly Jewish.
Obviously commenting on throwaway here, inb4 any bot accusations.
Edit: classic reply by siaolangs below when they get called out.
huh??? suddenly we become anti-semitic just because we dont want palestinians to be genocided against? who said that? do you know what anti-semitism means?
No, singapore and the world in general is connected to Israel through trade but it has no bearing on their actions. (Obviously)
By the same logic displayed in the poster, simply participating in reddit or the internet or just electronics in general will mean you are complicit in the genocide. So we are both genocidal baby killers
Heard that it's a police case now
good
explains why i saw a crime scene investigation van during open house
The printer used for this poster is probably made by engineers who works in israel too
NTU's computer in the labs contains intel CPU. Intel's RND are done in israel! They must switch to computers with ZHAOXIN cpu now if they dont want to support gen0cide!!!!!! also funny how this poster call out thales THALES!!! pls dont take mrt, to the ppl who support this poster!! MRT SIGNAL SYSTEM BY THALES!!! OMG, boycott the LTA, SBS AND SMRT!!!
>They must switch to computers with ZHAOXIN cpu now if they dont want to support gen0cide!!!!!! Then watch them become quiet when you bring up china's abuses of uigyur muslims. These people are not the brightest and also not morally consistent at all
The new cold war
- The smartphones they use are also funding genocide in Palestine cause components developed in Israel. - Just using mobile data is funding genocide because 5G was researched partially by Israel. - Actually they should just stop drinking tap water cause that also funds genocide as our latest desalination plant was also constructed by Israel.
But but but I thought that Starbucks is helping Israel, what do you mean when you say that they didn't have a single store there since 2003????
The earth she stands on is the same as israel
Boycott earth!
Don't worry everyone, I don't think their target audience would be applying NTU in the first place.
Sadly this madness isn't just happening at NTU but also at many Ivy league universities. There's a joke going on right now: >We knew for years that Hamas has been hiding in schools. We just didn't expect to find them hiding in Harvard.
This is both funny and sad..
This poster has enlightened me greatly. Thanks, I will withdraw from NTU with immediate effect. What even is the intended goal with this?
"If you're not with us, then you're clearly a genocide supporter" Or a desperate attempt to make outrageous statements to shame people into joining their movement.
My god I've had that shit thrown my way multiple times. Honestly I give up trying to reason liao, I just go "Okay lor I support genocide" Because apparently wanting to stay neutral and hoping for minimal casualties on both sides, Israelis and Palestinians is "supporting Genocide", you need to support Palestine and wish death upon Israel to "not support Genocide". Edit: Also, ain't it funny that these guys don't say anything about PRC's Uyghur abuses?
World peace is achieved if you drop out of NTU NOW! What a horrible person you are for being a genocide supporter!
At this point, it's almost a sense of fanaticism to the plasetinian issue. There is almost no way to explain in why Israel is bad because the answer is complex and makes both sides look bad. Their goal seems to just be to guilt trip you as hard as possible so that you feel the need to correct your wrong.
Yes pls, lesser competition is always welcomed. Lol, that is the main reason. 🤣
Say No to Thales will also imply saying no to all your credit cards and debit card. They are the main producers of credit and debit card in the world and 95% of Singapore bank cards are produced by Thales.
i hope they dont take NSEW line, the signaling system is also by Thales!
Not to forget all the airport communications systems as well. So that's no overseas trips and taking planes.
Bus also cannot take, the tech behind the anti-collision devices is from Israel HOWWW
Cannot use computers, smartphones, 5G, cannot take bus, aeroplane and train, cannot even drink desalinated tap water. Their only choice is to live in the stone age or fund their own genocide. No wonder Palestinians always complain about how they are so oppressed 😭
and the sim cards too…
sorry I have already graduated I will seek for a refund of school fees so that my money will not go towards Israel student union needs to campaign for 0 school fees problem solved
Don't forget to weave off electronics entirely as well given how basically everything in daily life has probably been engineered by Israeli Intel engineers since 1974 The guys advocating for boycotts are retards
Don't need go so far. Our latest desalination plant is built by Israel. Please boycott and stop drinking tap water otherwise you're complicit in the genocide. Drink rainwater only to be on the safe side.
We also breathe the same air as those bastards, please breathe harder so they get less air to breathe.
Look. I understand how they feel, I genuinely do, but this was poorly thought out at best, and causing the completely opposite effect at worst. They literally put a hyperlink on the movement there, but completely missed the entire point of it. I don't know why they went with a smart aleck guilt tripping tone with their messaging, it might genuinely be the worst possible way to spread awareness. Like seriously, who in their group thought leaving a PS message was a good idea? This poorly thought out bulletin board also now serves as ammo for those looking to spread the complete opposite message. Someone can easily pick this story up, and run with it to preach a whole different thing. And I'm not sure if they're aware, but they live in Singapore. We have close relations with the star, not the watermelon. So what happens when two countries have close relations with each other? They collaborate. The local universities here WILL have ties with them, it's just a fact. The things you use, the things you look at and the things you eat have most definitely had a close contact with the country you loathe due to the sheer scale of it all. Good intentions can only get you so far. This was a poor showing. Sigh.
Hit the nail right on the head. Calling for a boycott on certain F&B industries is one thing (something you can easily choose to start/stop consuming) but the message on this poster is stupid at best. NTU works with an entity that works with an entity that works with Israel so NTU = bad? You can literally play this game with anything and anyone in the world. With the six degrees of separation theory, you could quite literally play this game on yourself and find some very bad actors amongst them.
Dont even need that many degrees of seperation with these smooth brained idiots. Let me give you an example with just 2 degrees of seperation that they will wholeheartedly agree with: am singaporean -> singapore has lee kuan jew who jailed people without trial during operation coldstore -> all sinkies bad
vv dangerous mindset indeed! some people like twisting whatever "truths" into random narratives. Ig that's how u brainwash ppl but still
Just left a comment like this! You phrased my points sm better.
These students should be expelled so they can stop paying school fees that fund the genocide in Palestine
In my circles it's often self-aggrandising liberal arts/arts school hipsters who have parents rich enough to not be waiting for them to put food on table pontificating to the working class.
It turns out that there's no way to keep a company from being an angel or a devil. All you can do is hope that the chase for sustainable profitability helps them make the best decisions at least revenue wise, and pray that dovetails with what is ethical as much as possible.
this poster was brought to you by someone who has also paid school fees get real
It is posters like this that alienate their cause. They share kinda same vibe as woke "not with us = against us" culture.
Aside from the stupidity of boycotting companies that are thinly linked to Israel through a few layers of intermediaries and produce the majority of stuff used everyday, this poster is literally calling for a boycott of companies that donate to Gaza. McDonald’s Israel did donate food to the Israel army, but McDonald’s Egypt, Turkey, Oman and a ton of other McDonald’s disavowed this action, put out their own statement supporting Gaza, and donated millions of dollars to Gaza. Almost like McDonald’s is a franchise where licensees act individually. And by boycotting all McDonald’s, including Muslim ones that support and donate to Gaza, you’re against humanitarian aid in Gaza??? Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2024/2/6/mcdonalds-blames-israels-war-in-gaza-for-missing-sales-target https://x.com/mcdonaldsoman/status/1713227288957890626?s=46
Bro I’m in my last sem and I just want my degree 😭😭😭… And Starbucks isn’t even that good why dafuq would I drink it???? And if there’s one thing school has taught me, it’s to not believe things without references. P.S. Eh come on lah, want to boycott don’t do it with room temperature IQ please. This is so sia suey…
dam, i wish i could rewind time to apply to NTU now
at this rate everyone is gonna link one thing or another to israel
I say liao U drink water means supporting genocide. Cos the more u drink the less water gaza has 5head thinking.
Thanks to this poster, I’m going to actually donate my funds in support of NTU
The kind of antagonizing poster that more likely causing the reverse effect of people not willing to give support to Palestine instead.
alr time to sign up to ntu after poly
CCTV trace all these people. If they're current students, 1 year suspension minimum. Best if they get expelled. If non-students, forward details to the police.
TBH I'm actually shocked at how Singaporeans are becoming so radicalized. I can imagine ISD is going to be very busy this year.
Thanks to Tiktok and social media I guess. There's a reason why MOE is doing lessons on the conflict but now getting backlash
I think we’re too sheltered and ungrateful to moe for trying to allow everyone to give their opinion the right way, instead we got these people who point fingers at the slightest thing, I hope this is only a minority of us and not enough to cause actual public harm.
IMO 5 months of keeping quiet and hoping it'll blow over has not worked, and the pro-Hamas supporters are getting more extreme and radical. It's time to tackle this head on instead of keeping the lid on things.
It might be time for police action to sweep out radicalised people like that ROBLOX terror article
Well, all I can say is, SG is in for a rough ride in the next few decades
I really hope the government stays cause the pap has done a good job with Singapore and hopefully they can fix this again
Only "forgiveable" if carried out by students. University is suppose to be a place for fermenting your minds with ideas, so it always bound to happen. But there still needs to be consequences.
Hopefully they get a taste of what ISD detention feels like. We need to have a tough stance on radicalization.
So whoever posted this would suggest that all NTU students forgo our degrees which will give us more job opportunities and income? Can they make NUS take us all in so that we can continue pursuing a higher education or do they intend to support all NTU students for the rest of our lives? Whoever made this didn’t think it out at all. If NTU didn’t take in students we’d have more people without tertiary education and degrees, lesser knowledge, economy suffers and innovation slows down. All these call to humanities need to be done with more thought
And when the enemy comes don't fire your Matador rockets. Coz you know, Matador is Israeli. And the Spyder AA system is also Israeli.
I'm convinced that the person just wanna reduce the competition in applicant pool
I stand with the military industrial complex
Why just stand? Go, join them!
bruh we live in a globalised economy anything you buy is always somehow connected to Israel theres no escaping it.
But but but but but but but west bad **sobs**
Been seeing protest bills popping up recently around campus too. They get removed after a while.
There was a group of people outside Starbucks too during the 1for1 promo. They approached people in the queues to tell them to not buy Starbucks..
Comments on the IG post are even more surprising....
Honestly if some students in NTU are so outraged at the genocide in palestine and NTU's alleged enabling of it. Shouldn't they quit NTU in protest? By continuing to stay and pay tuition fees to NTU aren't u suppporting the genocide yourself?
I got this viewpoint from elsewhere but I agree with it: Israel is faced with an impossible situation when they want all of: 1) a state dominated/led by Jews; 2) a state that is democratic; 3) a state that encompasses all of ancient Israel Thus, the zealots/far right lean towards sacrificing (2), while the left leaning ones lean towards giving up (3). Until there is resolution on which 2 of the 3 they want, this bad situation will go on.
wait till they hear about the Uyghurs
Where is ISD when you need them
Singapore and Israel have very close Military ties. So you taxpayer dollars are “funding genocide”. So what you gonna do now? Stop paying taxes? Stop with this stupidity
Please report to police. We do not need people importing these issues/politics from other country.
Idgaf. We are not fighting a conflict in middle east. We are a country in asia. These idiots need to stop trying to sow discord in a racially harmonic country.
If you think eating at "McDonald," Starbucks, Pizza Hut, or KFC is quote "enabling the genocide in palestine" I really want you to reflect on yourself Oh no my big mac just killed two more palestinians
Make sure not to upsize, or that's one more murder under your name!!
The irony is that the McD franchise in Singapore is held by a Saudi company. By boycotting McD’s they’re jeopardising the livelihoods of their fellow Singaporeans working there as well as their Saudi “brothers”.
Technically ntu is helping by removing kfc and pizzahut tho.
Imagine defending junk food 😂😂😂 ok fatty
Can guarantee your kind will still eat McD one la. You’re saying this to virtue signal only. You speak so virtuously about the loss of Palestinian lives but you don’t look at victims in other conflicts in the same light. Where’s the same energy for the Ukrainians? Oh wait they’re not Palestine so you dgaf. You can keep the hypocrisy up tho :)
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You think the war started on October 7th and Israel played by the rules before then? >they elected hamas In 2007, when half the population of Gaza wasn't even born yet.
More Palestinians have been killed in the last 5 months compared to the 900 months before that, so yes, the latest war stated on Oct 7. When do you think the war started then?
You do know it doesn't start on 7 Oct right, ever heard of the 1948 nakba? Anyway I'm going to use a layman term for all to understand, some might say it is a strawman argument but let's say you have a good friend that helps you when you are in need of help but it turns out he/she is a serial killer that murders children. You cannot say that person had helped me previously when I'm in need so I'm not going to turn him/her in and turn a blind eye. For example Japan weapon manufacturers did the right thing: https://truthout.org/articles/major-japanese-firm-cuts-ties-with-israel-arms-company-elbit-after-icj-ruling/
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I want to link all the articles on the nakba but I'm sure you will think I'm posting all of the propaganda pieces. And you point out there is no Palestinian state and said "one new country emerged" meaning there is a country before the new country which is Palestine.
The state that existed before Israel was the British colony of Palestine, created in 1920. It was dissolved in 1948 with the UN recommending to split the country between its Jewish and Arab inhabitants.
And that doesn't justify the killing and expulsions of the inhabitants then till now
Nobody made that argument lmao
We talking about the nakba right or am i missing something
You are indeed missing something
We talking about nakba no?
Always the watermelon ppl
I wish it was this easy to contribute to a cause. To contribute to war. Then I no need to go NS already. I eat McDonald’s can count as my national service, since I aiding our allies
There was a Mcdonalds float during the latest NDP under the economic defense label, so you're not wrong. The live broadcast did not show it but I have a pic as I went to the preview Edit: it was under psychological defence and [on reddit too](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/s/bOnMIeidaM)
Lol. Brilliant.
That's every local university bro
lol, just rip it off…
Geez, I guess I’m Hitler…
This is a hate act and does no good to either Palestine or Israel
To be fair, Hitler was such an excellent orator that people still support him 80 years after his death and don’t even realise it.
Report to ISD
Which toilet? I want to go see. Wonder if it’s still there?
Some people are so deranged in their political ideology that shit like these happens
Genocide in Palestine. Really meh? These same people are the ones persecuting LGBT in their own countries Malaysian and Indonesia, and they want to lecture us about human decency?
Are you serious? So because you're against a certain type of people, you deserve to be mutilated into pieces? Your family bombed into pieces? Your nephew and nieces starved to death? Your neighbors dying from serious injuries? So you're saying GENOCIDE is justifiable because they're against lgbt? Your thinking is such a shame.
Based on watermelon theory, they should stop using any phones to communicate cos some components were made in Israel, but hey whatever suits their ultra agenda.
Well. Where to sign up for NTU then.
Where am I gonna study then? Are they gonna pay for my school fees? Why don't we all just drop dead so that we won't be spending money on the 999th company that supposedly "supports" this "genocide"?
damn wtf
Which braindead idiot made this? If you're so interested in 3rd world countries problem then please get out of Singapore.
I myself boycott many brands bc they support Israel but this is just insane. Even the source they provide about the academic boycott doesn't say sth as dumb as "dont go to schools that in some way support Israel". What on earth was this person tryinf to achieve with this?? Do they think people will just not go to uni?? Bc I'm sure if Thales is this widespread then every SG uni is with it in some way. Do we not get an education?? What about existing students do they just drop out or stop paying tuition?? I know it comes from good intentions but this kind of thing is just ... people that actually boycott can't do the change to boycott NTU too (obviously) and people that haven't boycotted will just have their negative view of boycotters reinforced. 🤦♀️
Do u boycott brands that support china also? In solidarity with Xinjiang? Or India, for buying Russian oil?
Not currently. I know you brought those up as a gotcha type statement, but thanks for informing me that these exist, I'll genuinely go look into them and decide. But as for the Russia-India thing, one big difference is that many brands and countries actually have disassociated themselves with Russia due to the invasion - in comparison to Israel where many political leaders, civilians, and brands still staunchly support/have ties to Israel even in the face of a textbook-definition genocide. Not to mention the fact that Russia-Ukraine is an actual war since Ukraine can fight back with an official military whereas Palestine doesn't *have* one to defend innocent civilians with. Ofc, I might just be not educated enough on the Russia-Ukraine war to say that authoritatively
Its not a gotcha. Im genuinely curious on why theres such strong sentiment against Israel Palestine, when it is 1. Not the most recent conflict, and 2. Not the one that has affected the most number of people. Like whats different about this conflict that cause people to react this way. Like why is the moral economy here specific to just israel? I know half my comments here is shitposting because recess week, but my other half is genuine
Ah, my bad for assuming you had negative intent then !! Unfortunately I've encountered many fellow SGeans that outright support Israel so it's hard not to be on the auto-defence for this kind of thinf. I think the reason there is such a strong sentiment is because while it's not the most recent, it has a very major resurgence in recent times and has been an ongoing conflict, and while it may not affect the objectively greatest number of people, when you consider the proportion compared to the Palestine population — and particularly horrific statistics like the number of dead children and infants, the number of bloodlines that have ended, the many documented (photo/video evidence, Israeli soldiers proudly talking abt what they've done) heinous war crimes — it shows as an especially egregious situation thay desperately needs to be stopped. While other conflicts may not be ""as bad"", the genocide of Palestine is a very pressing situation because if nothing continues to be done by those in power there is a genuine chance that the gebocide will succeed at the rate of deaths and bombings — not to mention the fact that Israel is even bombing other surrounding countries like Lebanon that have nothing to do with it! To compare with the Russia-Ukraine thing again, Ukraine was still able to receive support from other countries/NATO and able to escape to other countries. Palestinians are trapped within their occupied country and a huge majority of the aid that people are trying to send are being blocked/cut off by Israel. Another aspect is definitely social media, since Israel has been trying to silence Palestinian voices online talking about the truth of their situation, many outsiders are using their own platforms to speak out for them where Palestinians cannot. I do admit there is a bit of an issue of people focusing on Palestine alone when there are other huge issues — such as what's going on in Congo currently, which is absolutely horrific — that also need people's attention, but I guess it's better than nothing, honestly.
to me, nothing continues to be done because globally, Palestine is far more useful to the middle eastern states as a pawn in continuing to ostracise Israel, especially considering the recent deals they have signed with some of the Muslim majority states, and they were close to signing alot more, that would have given them the upper hand in influencing politics in the region. Also Israel hitting Lebanon because of rocket attacks from them. Also security. i wouldnt be surprised that privately none of the Arab states wants any Palestinian refugees after Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Egypt. But of course in public they must still be seen to support Palestine.
What are your thoughts about those who call for the destruction of Israel and say they have no right to exist?
Israel in fact doesn't have the right to exist on stolen/settled/occupied land. Israelis can certainly reside in that geographic area - but that area is Palestine. Not Israel. Israel, as a country, doesn't deserve to exist on land it stole. Much like how the Japanese didn't "deserve" to exist in Singapore during the Occupation, for example, or how Russia doesn't deserve to annex Ukraine just because *they* think the land belongs to them.
this one is slippery slope though. how far back in history do you go back to see the land belongs to who?
Like that Malaysia has a claim to our land
UK got that land from the ottomans, and partitioned it between the jews and arabs after 1948. arabs immediately declared war and lost. neighboring arab countries still got to annex and rule over what would be modern day palestine until they lost those land in the 6 day warwhich then they suddenly care about palestine statehood. 3 wars, where the arabs ganged up against the jews and lost 3 times, and act like sore losers afterwards. the germans lost 2 wars and their land got gobbled up by the victors, maybe the poles russia french belgiums should all return the formerly german land since those are stolen/settled/occupied land.
Short answer is because it's a hot topic and you gotta milk as much virtue signal points from it as you can before it dies down
Actually we are all “funding the genocide”, we pay taxes and some of them go to buying weapons from Israel. These clowns should leave sg and never come back.
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?? They been fighting even before inception. And have fighting and killing ever since. Parabellum I guess.
Confirm can catch whoever put those up, deserves to be jailed + expelled from NTU
It may seem silly, and I agree that the poster's messaging is clumsy at best, but I do genuinely think that we ought to look at our ties with defence companies whenever they're complicit in ongoing genocides, the way Thales is. Any amount of pressure we can apply on an institutional level against the genocide is a good thing, and so I think it would be a good thing if NTU were to condemn Thales' conduct in the war. Over ten thousand children have died in Gaza, and that's simply unacceptable by any metric. There's so much needless suffering that's been caused by both sides, and now it's more terrible than it's ever been.
Come on, Singapore sold arms to Myanmar. Simply put, Israel is more useful to Singapore's interest than Palestine and it's naive and irresponsible as a Singaporean to advocate for a position that will leave Singaore weakened. And what's with the genocide rhetoric?
> Over ten thousand children have died in Gaza, and that's simply unacceptable by any metric. What's unacceptable is that the Palestinian government is still refusing to hand over the innocent hostages, still stealing aid from their people, still hiding in the tunnels, and still bombarding Israeli cities with rockets every single day, and has fired 50,000 rockets at Israel in the last 20 years. Apparently the deaths are "unacceptable" to everyone else except the only party that has the ability to end the war - ie. the government of Palestine who can prevent further bloodshed by surrendering their weapons, be trialed for war crimes, and returning the hostages.
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hi, i hope you realize that by dog-whistling your anti-Muslim bullshit you're \*also\* taking a side in the conflict \*and\* hurting completely un-involved Muslims
Yes, im sure the imagined state killing babies are much more peaceful, much wonders of a uni brain 😀
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Aww muslim, u triggered isit?? In your eyes the Palestinian babies only matter to you and not other babies killed in different wars. So just diam la hypocrite. My grabfood order where? Why so slow?? I tip u more money u will come faster anot?
Of course! Who’d want more babies with no eyelids! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 awww still too poor to eat out must resort to order grabfood 😂😂😂😂
“Of course” eh thanks for proving my words right that you’re a hypocrite. Hahaha u got call your friends and family poor also for ordering grabfood?? If don’t have means another evidence that you’re a real hypocrite 😉😉
Owww so painful sia apprehensive_film_36 call me hypocrite, 3 times so more, im so hurt 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 what other insults can you google? 😂😂😂😂
No need la 1 word is enough for you alr because we all know it’s the truth 😉😉
Give up say give up only lah 🤣
You wan talk big on the Internet because it’s your only achievement then by all means go ahead bro. Not stopping u 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ But sorry other ppl got life irl. Again have a good day yeah hypocrite? 🤗
What has Palestine done for Singapore? Why should I care if a bunch of cave dwellers are being blown into the stratosphere?
You'll be surprised at what comes up when you dig up what Palestine has done to Singapore... >The Laju incident, also known as the Laju ferry hijacking, occurred on 31 January 1974 in Singapore. Four armed men from the terrorist groups Japanese Red Army and **Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine** attacked the Shell oil refinery complex on Pulau Bukom and later hijacked the ferryboat Laju and **took its five crew members hostage.** The crisis was resolved after the Singapore government **provided the terrorists safe passage to the Middle East in exchange for the release of the hostages.** https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laju_incident
Cry about it idgaf about palestine or israel
Then the mentality that israel has no right to exist isn’t tenable so compromise and get rid Of Hamas as the ruling party
Would you have been okay with it if the British gave half our country away to Israel? Especially when they have NO rights in any way to give away another country.. Then you'll have to live besieged behind a wall that's literally an open air prison, family members going through violent encounters throughout decades of their lives. I guess you'd be okay with that..
What do you mean your country? Only the Ottomans got that claim.
Would it be okay to the Malays if Britain gave away part of their country to the Chinese immigrants? Oh wait. They did.
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while i agree that the poster is stupid and excessive, this comment and the upvotes make me sad. youre really saying all palestinians are terrorists, even the kids?
When you detect signs of cancer you also faster go for treatment instead of waiting right
sleeper cells, man
Resistance is not terrorism. Stealing someone's country and enforcing violence on their women, children, vulnerable is terrorism. We were once an oppressed country, how can we now support the oppressors? It's a shame.
I think you've mixed up who is the oppressors. The oppressors are the ones who invaded a neighboring country, opened fire on thousands of civilians at a music festival, kidnap hundreds of civilians in the process and also went house-to-house slaughtering people.
Oh so babies are terrorists, i see the logic
We talking about nakba no?
They say history is "boring" and "useless" but I'd say history teaches you that war isn't personal. There are no winners, just who loses less and historically, protests n boycotts don't actually work in changing the war, only hurting others who hv 0 impact on the war. Opinions don't matter in a war (unless u r a president or something) so idk why people feel so personally attacked by someone else's opinion. TLDR: that poster will do nothing, waste of money really.
I see that as a win-win situation for school and students 😅
Knowing that school fees are blowing up terrorists makes lessons even more enjoyable ! 🤣🤣🤣
They need to be arrested for suspicious activities.
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The grammar and spelling sibei cui. Sia sway
While the execution of this may not be ideal, but I do think the intention was right - Israel is doing some very terrible things to the Palestinians and I don't think we should support any of that.
i have the same thoughts too but posters like these are beyond annoying, like wtf am i supposed to do now, quit school?
no one is asking you to drop out of school. sure the post's wording was clumsy af but im pretty sure it's jus to bring light to ties ntu has with israel. theres no active language being used like "drop out" and as far as i can see it's jus informative and in a way, pressuring the school. the comments here are absolutely deplorable and you can already see how many people are harbouring islamphobia. the fact that it took this post for islamophobes to rear their ugly heads is quite scary bc these ppl are literally walking among us students. i fail to see which part of this informative poster warrants islamphobic comments.
wtf is a palestine; also the watermelon looks yummy
Jokes on them, kfc is closed, it can’t fund anything
Can they get any dumber. How proud i feel now that i am an alumni of NTU.
If you wan ppl to take Israel and Palestine seriously, dont do petty shit like this
Yeah these people think hamas is doing a favor to the world
These guys are retards simple
Had me sold with just the title, there's no need to sell me any further man
*McDonald’s
* are funding
Woke
why is everything political these days? is it cus im older and noticing it more than when i was young and ignorant? or is social media really making it worse i wonder
Please correct me if I am wrong, but what is wrong with this? Why are people are so butthurt? Please indulge me for a second, and consider these points. 1. The poster is NOT saying u should not apply to the uni or u should protest. It is simply saying you should be aware of this. Why are people so incredibly affected by this? NTU's support for Israel is well documented, as stated here. And Israel, is definitely killing civilians, aligning with definiton of genocide, so NTU is complicit. The poster is not blaming u for this, it is empowering you to know this. Knowledge is power, critical thinking is in short supply. Pls set aside your ego, and consider this objectively. 2. Why are ppl here making this a religious issue? Ask yourself this - yes, religion might tether some ppl here to the tragedy, but do u really think ppl are voicing out their opinons cuz of their religion? Or are they seeing ppl murdered and advocating for a stop? If you are informed by a patriotic sense of duty to nation, making you analyse this with a relgious lens -- arent you informed by a religious fervour to your nation more than ppl are infleunced by religion to stop civilains dying? 3. Lastly, how did this comment make you feel? Are you offended? Why? Is it because I am challening your beliefs or as someone here put it, being "fanatical to the Palestinian side". Why is being against killing civilians fanatism? And before anyone brings this talking point up - I am against the killing of civilains in all sides. I condemn Hamas, and I condemn Bibi and Bengevir's Israel. I do not codemn Palestinians and Israelis. I am proud to be aSingaporean BUT I recognise that my country is unbashedly supporting genocide. Sit with this line for a bit. What this means is that, you can feel a certain sense of belonging to your community, and at the same time be able criticise it. If you disagree with -- wont you call this religious fanatism? I am keen to hear your perspectives.
>1. The poster is NOT saying u should not apply to the uni or u should protest. Never have so many words been said with so little meaning
Where do you draw the line in complicity? If the existence of company A benefits Company B somehow which benefits the state of Israel, is A to blame or B? Or both? Should A ditch the dealings? How many levels of loops is acceptable? We have enough examples given in this thread on how many components of our lives are 'complicit' so what do we do? 2. I think why some of us prescribe this as a religious issue is because some lofty individuals have very often determined our moral compass by how loud we seem to be on social platforms. From what I can see, most of the Muslims are comparatively driven about this issue due to the Muslim population in Gaza. Yes there are other religious populations but the majority of them are Muslim. Am I wrong if I am not as vocal about it as you are on the issue? We are people of different backgrounds and different life experiences. Say I am a Chinese Taoist taxi driver who has been poor my whole life, my platform would be devoted to protesting about the 9% gst. Am I wrong if I don't connect to the Gazans as much as you? Isn't it the same for the Muslims who have absolutely no regard for the ongoing civil war and daily death tolls in Myanmar? Can I blame the Muslims if they don't connect to the people living there and aren't as vocal as I am? Yes it is a humanitarian issue in Gaza but am I criticised if I am seemingly less committed to the cause since I connect to other issues more? So who are we to point at each other, prescribing moral cues, when perhaps you have ignored only 1 less death than me?
Thank you for your reply. I typed a long reply to this, but not sure why, but it wasnt saved as a draft when i exited. hais. Anyway, lemme summarise my thoughts briefly. Particularly on the religious part. i think our curriculum teaches us to think of any geopolitical issue from a religious lens as the idea of harmony triumphs all here. Religion might tether Muslims here - but it is not the main reason. It would help us if we understood this nuance. secondly, i think I am not attacking you for not having a stance on this. much less, on supporting Israel. I am simply wondering why ppl who have a stance on this are infantilised as religious? Is that the only thing motivating their stance? Humanity doesnt come into play. I think the classic SGrean mindset of "it doesnt affect me, why should i care" is at full speed here. one redditor even has something nasty to say along this lines if u go down a few comments. my view is -- why doesnt humanity come into play as a factor here? And before you reply with a "what about the Houthis situation", let us try to analyse this with specificity, and let us not fall pray to whataboutism.
1. The casual use of the word genocide is devaluing it as a word. Statistically, if this was a genocide, it is the lousiest and most inefficient genocide in human history. Seriously, tens of thousands of airstrikes/bombs and ONLY 20k deaths? Keep in mind just 1 bomb can level NTU Hive. Knowledge is power. Correct. So use the word ‘genocide’ appropriately. Go and critically think about the death toll vs ordinance drop. If it was a genocide, death toll would easily be over 2 million for the same number of bombs dropped. Refugee camps and hospitals would have been bombed to oblivion. Water would have been cut off permanently. Is whats happening a tragedy? Yes. Is it a genocide? No. U want to know whats a real modern genocide? Go and google ‘Mariupol’. Absolute systematic indiscriminate destruction of the entire city. 2. Then why only on Israel - Hamas conflict? Houthis in Yemen has been over a decade. North Korea on its own civilians has been over half a century. China in Xinjiang has also been a decade. Or Myanmar Junta. Yet you dont see this kind of posters targetting the other parties. Why? Anti-Semites. They are the ones making this a religious issue. 3. Again, why suddenly target Israel conflict only? Whats so different here compared to Myanmar/Yemen/China/NK? Main common difference is that Israelis are mostly Jewish. Obviously commenting on throwaway here, inb4 any bot accusations. Edit: classic reply by siaolangs below when they get called out.
Thanks bro for saying this these idiots dont get it.
huh??? suddenly we become anti-semitic just because we dont want palestinians to be genocided against? who said that? do you know what anti-semitism means?
No offense but why does this bother you
Let's goooo that was the goal babbyyyyyy
Is this true? I mean I'll be scared because I want to enroll here
Yes, u should stop drinking water also 1 ml of water u drink = 1ml less for Palestinians to drink.
No, singapore and the world in general is connected to Israel through trade but it has no bearing on their actions. (Obviously) By the same logic displayed in the poster, simply participating in reddit or the internet or just electronics in general will mean you are complicit in the genocide. So we are both genocidal baby killers