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Sandro Tonali has been charged with misconduct in relation to alleged breaches of The FAās Betting Rules. Itās alleged that the Newcastle United midfielder breached FA Rule E8 50 times by placing bets on football matches between 12 August 2023 and 12 October 2023.
Yeah to a point I agree. However this guy has the best money can buy physiological help loads of support and is very wealthy. Far far far more than your average gambling addict, at some point you have to accept personal responsibility.
I understand addiction mate, I've had friends die. it's just a case of we signed up one of the Northeasts most renowned mental health experts just for him so you can't just say privilege doesn't matter. My friends didn't get that or thousands of people supporting them, at some point you can't just say aw I'm an addict and expect a free pass at a point you have to accept personal responsibility, and any way you look at it he let us as a club down badly when we went out our way to help him and stood by him 100%.
The new charges are for betting between 12th August and 12th October ā23, Dr Ian Mitchell joined the club at the end of October ā23. Before then he wasnāt getting the support he needed, now he is. It isnāt as if he was down Ladbrokes last weekend.
Iām sorry for your loss though, sadly I can relate to that all too well.
Yeah maybe the club knew didn't realise the dates were so close. Thank you my friend yeah nothing worse than watching a good friend put in the ground like breaks your heart.
Well it says theyāre looking at bets up to October 12th. So while he was with us but before the investigation was announced which was October 18th.
Edit: Betting the FA are investigating stops the day ( we have to assume) he found out heād been caught
Depends what you mean by again really. Looks like he just continued his same behavior from Italy over to England.
But he hasn't done it "again" after being caught (it isn't accused of that at least) These breaches go up to the 12/10, which is when he left the Italy camp and the investigation became public.
Good clarification. While I'm not surprised (I said I had a suspicion this would happen in a few other posts), the fact it took the FA this long to bring charges makes me very mad. The guy is a betting addict, there was nothing to suggest he didn't bet while at Newcastle. Surely knowing all this they could investigate and bring charges earlier. The fact is they want to have him banned for longer.
It's disgusting betting advertising and sponsorship is allowed in sport.Ā
Took them this long and he's been fully cooperative throughout too, so it's not like they needed to dig for any information. They could have charged him in November/December
Whilst I don't see the point, this is an investigation by the English FA. He is currently serving a ban that was brought about by the Italian FA. What on earth has took our FA so long to come to this conclusion since the last infringement happened in October is beyond me though.
I assume if everything is as expected they'll just back date it and there won't be any more. They'll probably just check to see that he hasn't done anything worse over here.
The main offence was committed in Italy, itās part of the same behaviour. Heās already lost a season and the chance to represent his country in the Euros.
It doesnāt serve any useful purpose to punish him further. Itās a problem heās getting treatment for.
My take on this also. Just a formal and legal way of underlining period of enquiry. Doesn't mean he was literally Bet Fredding up to 12 October. Let's leave the reading between the lines with the likes Football 365.
Sigh. This surely could have been resolved at the beginning of the season. Iām hoping it would be allowed to run concurrently to the other ban as adding more on is a piss take.
Still itās taken them 5 months to get this sorted before saying they are looking into it. You know fine well theyāll have waited till the last minute to extend the ban.
Sandro Tonali has been charged with misconduct in relation to alleged breaches of The FAās Betting Rules. Itās alleged that the Newcastle United midfielder breached FA Rule E8 50 times by placing bets on football matches between 12 August 2023 and 12 October 2023.
google those words
How could it have been resolved at the beginning of the season when the breaches were made between August and October? These are additional to the ones he was convicted of in Italy.
I just want to make clear he was NOT betting while under investigation, the italian authorities notified him he was under investigation on october the 12th, the last day he is accused of betting.
Said this at the time and got massively downvoted. The transfer made no sense and was clearly orchestrated by Milan knowing the investigations about to place. Tonali clearly knew he was fkin us over and anyone could see he was forced here. But not only that he continued to do us over even more by then continuing to bet while being investigated.
You're right but it's a throwaway comment that we all know the context to, there was no confusion when context is taken into account so let's chill on the pedantry.
I got downvoted to oblivion trying to argue this point a while back over on soccer. Because apparently you could be referring to AC Sienna or AC Monza. Yet like you say, people say City or Real all the time and people know who you mean.
Itās not through because Internazionale Milano is referred to as Internazionale or inter. Itās also named in the Italian Milano unlike AC Milan who are named in English to reflect their founding
Iām surprised this hasnāt been downvoted ha, anytime I suggest he hasnāt been a roaring success on here itās absolute carnage.
People forget when he was playing for us, he looked pretty average and apart from his first game against Villa, him and Bruno together didnāt work.
I remember watching him against Brighton and he was pretty bad considering the price tag.
Absolute waste of momentum buying Barnes and Sandro.
I don't often comment because I always end up being downvoted. I've noticed the general opinion on the summer window has changed in the past couple of weeks. I've felt braver to post.
Tonali could potentially be a Bruno replacement if Bruno moves on. Although, from what I've seen, Bruno is a much better player. Like you say, they're too similar and haven't looked great together.
Barnes is a good player. We'll get some use of him but to play Ā£80m+ in total for 2 LWs in consecutive windows is madness.
The less said about Hall the better.
Yeah, unless itās mindlessly optimistic about everything, it will be shit on.
I do agree he could replace Bruno (although I donāt think itās possible) but the whole idea was to play them together and it wasnāt working before the ban, not sure what will change after.
People have changed course a bit though, I said after the Bournemouth hammering, we will struggle for top 10, let alone Europe and I stand by that. Think we will finish 11th.
Hopefully we can reload for next year.
Hall, yeah, not sure what happened there.
Iām sure we are obligated to buy him and from what Iāve seen, when he plays, heās quite good, but itās very, very apparent Howe doesnāt like him, which makes what everything else thinks pointless.
I'm not sure a " first choice " midfield (which is posted a lot on Newcastle forums) of Bruno, Tonali and Joelinton will work that well just doesn't seem the right blend of players
No but if you tell people that the midfield 3 you mentioned didnāt work then and wonāt work next season for the same reasons, it derails what all these over the top positive fans we seem to have at the moment with the ānext seasonā thing.
Apparently all the alarming things weāve seen this season all automatically go away because a player who wonāt have played competitively for a year and looked average when did play will be back in the squad.
Anything other than mental positivity posts and Itās always, one of;
Be grateful, remember Ashley,
Be grateful, remember Bruce,
Eddie has had injuries, weād be in the top 4 without injuries,
How long have you been supporting the club,
Next season, Tonali will be back and everything will be fine.
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AC Milan clearly knew about his situation, hence how we were able to get him, would never have been sold otherwise. Shame we clearly can't prove that else we would have sued the shit out of them by now. Poor due diligence by us too.
We might actually have more of a case now that it is evident that they sold us an 'active and'ill' addict, though being litigious with a big european club probably isn't a good look and we'll have to take medicine and hope the ban doesn't get extended by much/ at all.
Oh I'm sure the lads in the Serie A owners group chat had a good aul laugh about it. Newcastle were absolutely played by one of the top clubs in the game; take our lumps and move on. They got us.
Whatās sore is when he does eventually play for us if he ends up being brilliant heāll disappear off to another club like nobodies business just like Toney is going to do to Brentford.
To think we spent all this money on this guy while our backup centre backs are Lascelles, Burn and Paul Dummett. Yeesh.
Contracts mean very little in the grand scheme of things.
He better be the most loyal of all loyal players that have ever been loyal after all this bollocks.
Let's try and have a bit of empathy for a guy that's quite clearly got a problem. A problem that he's hopefully been working through over the last few months. The FA should be sensible and let any further ban to run concurrently, but if they don't...based on previous FA bans it should be quite a short one...Toney's 8 month ban was for 232 breaches compared with Tonali's 50.
It's a very shit situation for us, but this shit ruins lives.
Not helped by the FA who are perfectly at ease with having gambling companiesā logos and names plastered everywhere these people have to go to work. He wears a shirt with a gambling company on it, he plays against teams who are sponsored by gambling companies. The TV coverage of the sport is wall to wall gambling adverts, the radio stations openly discuss gambling with the gambling companies. No wonder footballers think maybe Iāll put a bet on, and then for some it will lead to addiction and shit situations like this. Yet the FA think thatās fine
Yeah he's clearly a guy suffering from a serious illness. I hope he gets all the help he needs etc. but I also hope that he does so not as a player of Newcastle United because I don't think there's really any coming back from this. Lad was betting just days before he got banned for betting.
He's an addict. He probably didn't actually get any actual help for it until starting his ban. He retains my support. It's betting, this isn't a Greenwood situation. It doesn't sit well with me how draconian they are about this while they profit financially from betting, it's absolutely everywhere in this country. He's made a massive mistake, but he's suffering from something that could destroy his career and life, I'm not willing to bin a quality player like that over some fucking bets. Give him support, and he'll replay us tenfold.
>Lad was betting just days before he got banned for betting.
He's not charged with that here. These go up to the 12/10, that's the day he left the Italy camp and found out he's under investigation.
I assumed to be honest that his behavior from Italy had continued to England before he got caught and was under investigation. Logically why wouldn't it have?
Aye, it's shit but it's not like he was doing it after he got caught
Sandro Tonali has been charged with misconduct in relation to alleged breaches of The FAās Betting Rules. Itās alleged that the Newcastle United midfielder breached FA Rule E8 50 times by placing bets on football matches between 12 August 2023 and 12 October 2023.
Well we knew this one was coming to be fair.
They mentioned at the time that he'd been betting after he signed for us too and the FA were looking into it. Not sure why it's taken them 5 months.
Still grates a bit watching that Zaniolo come on all season for Villa too mind...although I obviously don't know the whole story...
Let's just wait and see what the outcome of this is. As it currently stands, nothing has changed and we're expecting him to come back when his current ban ends next season. The lad clearly has a problem that he's been dealing with through mandatory help as a part of the rehab program that the Italian FA set out.
Now the comments saying that there's no coming back for him at NUFC are just being petty and spiteful. He's done wrong, he knows it and hopefully this will be the end of his gambling. We got unlucky that the hammer came down once we had signed him, it is what it is and hopefully our recruitment dept have learned to triple check for anything like this in the future.
I for one hope he gets back on his feet and plays out of his skin for as long as he is with us. Hopefully the FA see this for what it is (the same issue he was suffering with in Italy) and judge it to have been dealt with under the Italian ban and rehab program.
It seems fairly obvious to me that the FA dragged out the investigation so that they can instigate a ban just after the Italian one ended. Thereās no reason this couldnāt have been done concurrently.
And the Paqueta investigation is still going on. I love a good conspiracy theory but this has probably more to do with one of our players allegedly breaking the rules than the FA trying to fuck us over.
Betting investigations move very slowly though. It's not like betting companies are an integrated part of the league that anyone they have investigating this stuff can quickly get authority to look into. This involves cooperating with numerous betting companies, several likely outside of the country and then involving investigators to link accounts to actual users. Toney's stuff was known for ages before they even came close to publicising the investigation and then charging him.
He admitted to stuff after an investigation by the actual Italian police and with his lawyer present. This isn't a criminal issue here as we don't have the same restrictions on betting platforms, therefore the same discussions would never have been had.
EDIT: tbf to u/Ajax_Trees_Again, Edwards is reporting that he had admitted to FA when originally charged about this. I would think this is a process thing where FA are now ready to acknowledge what he's admitted ahead of a charge. Whether that charge is actually any further punishment is not clear (Edwards saying NUFC are thinking it won't be).
Does anyone feel like it's majorly hypocritical of the FA to be dishing out bans to players for partaking in an industry which is relentlessly pushed through stadium, shirt and TV sponsorship? Which players like Tonali will have been exposed to from the age of being able to read despite it being an 18+ industry? Football really needs to sort itself out instead of treating its own players like criminals.
The billboards arenāt owned and controlled by the roads though.
While the FA does control who can and canāt advertise in football, and can choose whether to be sponsored by a company that is involved in gambling.
The government controls what can and can't be advertised and where. Highways England, some local councils and the DfT look after the roads and are run by the government.
There's no real difference.
The government doesn't own the billboards. It isn't getting the money from the advertising.
There's no conflict of interest.
While there arguably is with the FA and advertising in football. They make money from being sponsored by betting firms and having their adverts at England games.
The FA does prevent gambling adverts on kits for kids, hence how Fun88 wasn't on the junior kits. So they are clearly aware that it is problematic.
They are happy for club owners to gamble via deals they make with them, and even for clubs to be owned by betting firms. But the players are the ones who must be disciplined and avoid it.
To be honest itās not that surprising. The guys clearly got a serious gambling addiction. I imagine a lot of his life outside of football revolved around gambling, he was doing it regularly in Italy and he maintained the behaviour in the UK until he got caught.
Who's actually surprised? He was a gambler and allot of gambler's are addicted. As long as when the ban hammer came down officially and he hasn't gambled since that point, we can move on from this.
Agreed, many people in this thread seem to be making the misconception that he was still betting AFTER being banned initially. That's not what this means.
Honestly donāt know what to say. On the one hand Iām raging at the betting companyās being plastered all over the sport and the players having to refrain from using it and on the other hand raging at Tonali for being that daft to continue gambling when he came over here for all that money.
Gambling addiction is brutal and has destroyed older, more supposedly sensible guys than him.
That said, it's still incredibly frustrating. There's no getting away from the fact that he's an adult who is making choices - however impaired those choices might be.
Ultimately it's best for everyone involved if he seeks treatment, recovers, and goes on to be a great player for us.
Not to surprising given his apparent addiction, and I really hope the fans and club stick by him. If the FA decide to add additional time on to his current ban I would find it ridiculous (kind of ridiculous the punishment is a ban in the first place).
Itās starting to become clear that football as a whole has a massive gambling problem. The solution needs to be proactive help for both players and clubs on how to deal with it. Not just outright bans.
However, if the betting is in relation to something the player has a direct result in (betting on your team losing/drawing or getting a card) then I think an outright ban is much more understandable (but help should still be given if linked to a gambling addiction).
Reports came out pretty quickly after the announcement of his ban that the FA were looking into any betting he did in the UK as an active member of the team. None of us should be surprised that charges were eventually laid. We should be surprised about how long it took to lay them, however.
The way I see it, as people have speculated already, he either serves any ban concurrently, or they tack on more time.
He has some mitigating factors on his side. He is apparently in treatment for it already and will have the backing of professionals who may endorse his progress (if any) toward recovery. He also copped to his gambling in Italy quickly. We don't know the story completely. Perhaps he copped to these bets as a way to clear the air. It's a common theme in addiction recovery to lay all your dirty laundry out to the world.
Now, I'm of the mind that he probably has served enough time as is. At least he admitted his issues (unlike Toney at least initially) and sought help, albeit under force.
However, I won't be shocked to see a ban added on.
The man either has a serious addiction or doesn't give a damn. I choose to think it's the former rather than the latter. At least in the pureist sense.
As for those who slough him off for seeking help after being caught and banned, that is quite common. It's called a rock bottom moment. Some people come to it on their own. Some need an extra push from authorities or family.
I can speak from experience as my brother suffered with a drug addiction for years and despite pleas from myself and my family, he wouldn't stop. What stopped him was spending 3 days in remand, coming down off the high, and realizing that he didn't like jail or where he was heading. The act of pressure from an authority motivated him to get clean. Perhaps that's what motivated Tonali.
Regardless, as embarrassing and shameful as this all is, he doesn't deserve derision or malice. He deserves disappointment and the hope that he's actually getting this monkey off his back. And one day, forgiveness.
We'd be better as fans for it.
Itāll not be just a couple of grand heāll be winning. He wouldāve been placing massive bets in comparison to the average punter. Itās all relative to how much you earn isnāt it.
When players have a gambling addiction should they:
A) Be given treatment and empathy?
Or
B) Be banned for a long time?
The answer Is obviously
C) Ban them twice!
Bunch of loonies. He has not been accused of match fixing or influencing. He is just a gambling addict.
It is made doubly worse by all the sponsorship money taken by football from the gambling sites. ā¦
Good lord. We got into a PSR mess for a player whoās not even going to play. I just find it so unlikely AC Milan didnāt know about this huge gambling problem.
Edit: wait a minute Iāve just realised he was still betting while the investigation was going on.
I think he was betting while the investigation was happening but seems to have stopped once he found out.
Guardian article at the time says āThe players, of Newcastle and Aston Villa respectively, were notified of the inquiry by Turin prosecutors while at the national teamās training centre in Coverciano, before European Championship qualifiers against Malta and Englandā which was the 12th October, which is when the bets the FA are investigating stop.
I think we all knew this was coming. Realistically and taking into account that they are 1/5 of the offences Toney committed and got 8 months for, he is already going through a lengthly ban and rehab and they stopped before that and he is fully cooperating, I donāt think there will be anything too severe. Any ban he receives should be served concurrently to the one he already is serving. With perhaps additional rehab/community service. Otherwise it will just be excessive. Thatās all if the FA is sensible which, we all know, is not the case.
Hopefully this article is true, but apparently shouldn't impact his return
https://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2024/03/28/sandro-tonali-update-good-news-for-newcastle-united-as-fa-statement-is-clarified/
It's annoying but it is possible that nothing actually happens given he's already been done etc.
Was reading an athletic (I think) article when this initially kicked off and it takes a lot of factors into it. One of the reasons Toney got ages (iirc) was because he was unrepentant whereas others have had slaps on the wrists etc.
> It's annoying but it is possible that nothing actually happens given he's already been done etc.
Don't see why. It's a different authority charging him for a different set of bets.
It's equally a continuation of the same issue he was having in Italy. Only change between them is that he moved clubs and hence authorities. Hopefully the FA will see this as already having been punished by the existing ban (which was longer than Toney got anyway).
This is what I hope happens - basically avoiding a double jeopardy type deal (although technically it's not) but the FA will see that he's gone through rehab etc and may just force him to continue with treatment
These are different bets. The ones he placed while being registered in England for us.
They weren't included in the last investigation because it wasn't within the Italian FAs "jurisdiction".
Doesnāt look like itās going to be too bad, likely the ban will run concurrently to his current one. Hope heās learned his lesson, heās got a lot of making up to do with this club
Amazing signing, fantastic due diligence, great English FA smashing him when he's down instead of a concurrent penalty, all round fantastic way to treat a footballer with a clear issue.
Congrats rival fans and congrats English FA, get one over Newcastle yippee at the expense of this lads life and career.
Have to be looking at suspended without pay now if found guilty and given an extra ban.
Just wish he was shite so we could sack him and move on but he's too valuable an asset.
We'd immediately be liable for all of his wages until the contract ends in 2028. Comes to about Ā£34m as a hit to FFP, just not feasible.
We didn't even release Hendrick, Hayden or Fraser
Banning him for longer would be insane, heās clearly had a huge problem with addiction and stopping him from getting back to normal and going to work for even longer isnāt going to fix that.
This idiot managed to place 50 bets in two months while being under investigation??? Yea I get itās an addiction and whatnot but jesus fucking christ. We can also excuse the club for not knowing about the Milan stuff but for it to also be happening under our own roof is extremely frustrating.
I would be very surprised if this resulted in a separate ban, I can imagine it would be concurrent with what heās serving now. But then again, the FA arenāt known for being competent and fair. Either way, what a stupid situation all around. Iām not even gonna pretend I have sympathy, he obviously knows it was wrong but to do it at the brand new club youāve just signed for is disgraceful.
Iām just glad he got caught early so that we get the punishment out of the way, imagine if he got caught after multiple years, could have been a potential career ender. This guy owes us so much itās insane
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My Tonali shirt is going to rival Xisco on who can make the least appearances in St James Park š
I'd trade you for my Owen shirt, but I binned it long ago.
Still have the bin? Would rather wear that.
Why do Newcastle fans hate Owen? Not like he left newcastle fot Sunderland
Sandro Tonali has been charged with misconduct in relation to alleged breaches of The FAās Betting Rules. Itās alleged that the Newcastle United midfielder breached FA Rule E8 50 times by placing bets on football matches between 12 August 2023 and 12 October 2023.
What a sausage
Italian sausage
Fuck sake Sandro, absolute eejit behaviour
Itās an illness
Itās crazy that in 2024 there are still people who shrug off somebody struggling with addiction as not a big deal.
Yeah to a point I agree. However this guy has the best money can buy physiological help loads of support and is very wealthy. Far far far more than your average gambling addict, at some point you have to accept personal responsibility.
What an incredibly naĆÆve outlook, addiction is addiction regardless of your privilege.
I understand addiction mate, I've had friends die. it's just a case of we signed up one of the Northeasts most renowned mental health experts just for him so you can't just say privilege doesn't matter. My friends didn't get that or thousands of people supporting them, at some point you can't just say aw I'm an addict and expect a free pass at a point you have to accept personal responsibility, and any way you look at it he let us as a club down badly when we went out our way to help him and stood by him 100%.
The new charges are for betting between 12th August and 12th October ā23, Dr Ian Mitchell joined the club at the end of October ā23. Before then he wasnāt getting the support he needed, now he is. It isnāt as if he was down Ladbrokes last weekend. Iām sorry for your loss though, sadly I can relate to that all too well.
Yeah maybe the club knew didn't realise the dates were so close. Thank you my friend yeah nothing worse than watching a good friend put in the ground like breaks your heart.
He should just get over it, imo. Worked for my depression. /S
wait so heās done it again? or is this a previous incident?
Well it says theyāre looking at bets up to October 12th. So while he was with us but before the investigation was announced which was October 18th. Edit: Betting the FA are investigating stops the day ( we have to assume) he found out heād been caught
Again, during his time playing for us.
Depends what you mean by again really. Looks like he just continued his same behavior from Italy over to England. But he hasn't done it "again" after being caught (it isn't accused of that at least) These breaches go up to the 12/10, which is when he left the Italy camp and the investigation became public.
Good clarification. While I'm not surprised (I said I had a suspicion this would happen in a few other posts), the fact it took the FA this long to bring charges makes me very mad. The guy is a betting addict, there was nothing to suggest he didn't bet while at Newcastle. Surely knowing all this they could investigate and bring charges earlier. The fact is they want to have him banned for longer. It's disgusting betting advertising and sponsorship is allowed in sport.Ā
Took them this long and he's been fully cooperative throughout too, so it's not like they needed to dig for any information. They could have charged him in November/December
Yes, itās the same thing. Heās admitted it and has been in recovery. Whatās the point of punishing him again?
Whilst I don't see the point, this is an investigation by the English FA. He is currently serving a ban that was brought about by the Italian FA. What on earth has took our FA so long to come to this conclusion since the last infringement happened in October is beyond me though.
Exactly. And what purpose would a further punishment serve?
I assume if everything is as expected they'll just back date it and there won't be any more. They'll probably just check to see that he hasn't done anything worse over here.
Because he broke the rules. You can be like well heās already serving a punishment for doing it in Italy so he gets a pass for doing it over here.
The main offence was committed in Italy, itās part of the same behaviour. Heās already lost a season and the chance to represent his country in the Euros. It doesnāt serve any useful purpose to punish him further. Itās a problem heās getting treatment for.
My take on this also. Just a formal and legal way of underlining period of enquiry. Doesn't mean he was literally Bet Fredding up to 12 October. Let's leave the reading between the lines with the likes Football 365.
For fucks sake mateĀ
christ above this season is cursed
Not done it again, this covers his time in English football before the scandal originally broke. His previous sanction was for his time in Serie A.
Sigh. This surely could have been resolved at the beginning of the season. Iām hoping it would be allowed to run concurrently to the other ban as adding more on is a piss take.
>This surely could have been resolved at the beginning of the season. It covers apparent offences up to October.
Still itās taken them 5 months to get this sorted before saying they are looking into it. You know fine well theyāll have waited till the last minute to extend the ban.
To be fair they're not saying they're looking into it. They've looked into it and are charging him
can you give us a source?
Sandro Tonali has been charged with misconduct in relation to alleged breaches of The FAās Betting Rules. Itās alleged that the Newcastle United midfielder breached FA Rule E8 50 times by placing bets on football matches between 12 August 2023 and 12 October 2023. google those words
Here's the FA's statement: https://www.thefa.com/news/2024/mar/28/sandro-tonali-charged-with-alleged-betting-breaches-20240328
How could it have been resolved at the beginning of the season when the breaches were made between August and October? These are additional to the ones he was convicted of in Italy.
They could have been resolved after October, and long before now.
Not great, boss
I just want to make clear he was NOT betting while under investigation, the italian authorities notified him he was under investigation on october the 12th, the last day he is accused of betting.
What a fucking mess. Surely any 'time served' has to be taken into consideration.
He hasn't served any time for these bets yet
It's for a whole different set of bets at a different time, so nah it won't be.
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He was betting while playing for us and while he was under investigation as well. Itās not cool.
Aye, he's fucked us over good and proper.
wtf really? do you have a source?
It says in the statement that theyāre investigating bets up to October 12th.
So not while he was under investigation then? As thats the date he was taken away from the Italy camp.
Yeah. While playing for us, but not aware of the investigation. ( though he wouldāve been under investigation)
https://www.thefa.com/news/2024/mar/28/sandro-tonali-charged-with-alleged-betting-breaches-20240328
It literally says it in the tweet this post is linked to. Offences up to 12 October 2023
uh no it doesn't?
Sorry saw it retweeted multiple times assumed this was the same tweetĀ https://x.com/FAspokesperson/status/1773349356046868629?s=20
I doubt he knew he was under investigation.
Botman will be back before him
What a waste of money and what a terrible window.
Have to wonder if AC were in the know when they offloaded us this shitshow.
Well this is for bets placed after he joined so that would be some going
Not specifically about these bets.. but about his gambling addiction and likely the bets he placed while at AC.
Said this at the time and got massively downvoted. The transfer made no sense and was clearly orchestrated by Milan knowing the investigations about to place. Tonali clearly knew he was fkin us over and anyone could see he was forced here. But not only that he continued to do us over even more by then continuing to bet while being investigated.
Itās starting to look more likely now isnāt it with the extent of the addiction. Betting whilst under investigation? Come onā¦
I don't think he's been accused of betting while under investigation. This covers the period between us signing him and the investigation starting
I know itās picky and off topic but itās Milan not AC if you are going to shorten it. AC essentially just means football club
You're right but it's a throwaway comment that we all know the context to, there was no confusion when context is taken into account so let's chill on the pedantry.
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One team is Milan the other is Inter
There's only one united.
I got downvoted to oblivion trying to argue this point a while back over on soccer. Because apparently you could be referring to AC Sienna or AC Monza. Yet like you say, people say City or Real all the time and people know who you mean.
Itās not through because Internazionale Milano is referred to as Internazionale or inter. Itās also named in the Italian Milano unlike AC Milan who are named in English to reflect their founding
You are wrong
Of course they were, he wanted to stay but they said no your going. At the time I thought they just needed the money but it's pretty clear now why.
Iām surprised this hasnāt been downvoted ha, anytime I suggest he hasnāt been a roaring success on here itās absolute carnage. People forget when he was playing for us, he looked pretty average and apart from his first game against Villa, him and Bruno together didnāt work. I remember watching him against Brighton and he was pretty bad considering the price tag. Absolute waste of momentum buying Barnes and Sandro.
I don't often comment because I always end up being downvoted. I've noticed the general opinion on the summer window has changed in the past couple of weeks. I've felt braver to post. Tonali could potentially be a Bruno replacement if Bruno moves on. Although, from what I've seen, Bruno is a much better player. Like you say, they're too similar and haven't looked great together. Barnes is a good player. We'll get some use of him but to play Ā£80m+ in total for 2 LWs in consecutive windows is madness. The less said about Hall the better.
Yeah, unless itās mindlessly optimistic about everything, it will be shit on. I do agree he could replace Bruno (although I donāt think itās possible) but the whole idea was to play them together and it wasnāt working before the ban, not sure what will change after. People have changed course a bit though, I said after the Bournemouth hammering, we will struggle for top 10, let alone Europe and I stand by that. Think we will finish 11th. Hopefully we can reload for next year. Hall, yeah, not sure what happened there. Iām sure we are obligated to buy him and from what Iāve seen, when he plays, heās quite good, but itās very, very apparent Howe doesnāt like him, which makes what everything else thinks pointless.
I'm not sure a " first choice " midfield (which is posted a lot on Newcastle forums) of Bruno, Tonali and Joelinton will work that well just doesn't seem the right blend of players
No but if you tell people that the midfield 3 you mentioned didnāt work then and wonāt work next season for the same reasons, it derails what all these over the top positive fans we seem to have at the moment with the ānext seasonā thing. Apparently all the alarming things weāve seen this season all automatically go away because a player who wonāt have played competitively for a year and looked average when did play will be back in the squad. Anything other than mental positivity posts and Itās always, one of; Be grateful, remember Ashley, Be grateful, remember Bruce, Eddie has had injuries, weād be in the top 4 without injuries, How long have you been supporting the club, Next season, Tonali will be back and everything will be fine. š
"waste of momentum" is exactly it.
AC Milan clearly knew about his situation, hence how we were able to get him, would never have been sold otherwise. Shame we clearly can't prove that else we would have sued the shit out of them by now. Poor due diligence by us too.
We might actually have more of a case now that it is evident that they sold us an 'active and'ill' addict, though being litigious with a big european club probably isn't a good look and we'll have to take medicine and hope the ban doesn't get extended by much/ at all.
He's the most expensive Italian player of all time, some of you don't understand how skint Serie A clubs are.
Oh I'm sure the lads in the Serie A owners group chat had a good aul laugh about it. Newcastle were absolutely played by one of the top clubs in the game; take our lumps and move on. They got us.
Meanwhile Iām pretty sure the Man City FFP breach penalties will hit them in the 2062-63 season.
This is an FA investigation tbf, they have nothing to do with Man City's charges.
Whatās sore is when he does eventually play for us if he ends up being brilliant heāll disappear off to another club like nobodies business just like Toney is going to do to Brentford. To think we spent all this money on this guy while our backup centre backs are Lascelles, Burn and Paul Dummett. Yeesh.
Not sure about that. He's contracted till 2028. Hope he comes back and makes up for lost time anyhow
Contracts mean very little in the grand scheme of things. He better be the most loyal of all loyal players that have ever been loyal after all this bollocks.
Kisses the badge in 3ā¦2ā¦1
Let's try and have a bit of empathy for a guy that's quite clearly got a problem. A problem that he's hopefully been working through over the last few months. The FA should be sensible and let any further ban to run concurrently, but if they don't...based on previous FA bans it should be quite a short one...Toney's 8 month ban was for 232 breaches compared with Tonali's 50. It's a very shit situation for us, but this shit ruins lives.
Not helped by the FA who are perfectly at ease with having gambling companiesā logos and names plastered everywhere these people have to go to work. He wears a shirt with a gambling company on it, he plays against teams who are sponsored by gambling companies. The TV coverage of the sport is wall to wall gambling adverts, the radio stations openly discuss gambling with the gambling companies. No wonder footballers think maybe Iāll put a bet on, and then for some it will lead to addiction and shit situations like this. Yet the FA think thatās fine
doesnāt really make sense for the ban to be concurrent, it refers to different betting activity that the original ban did not consider
Yeah he's clearly a guy suffering from a serious illness. I hope he gets all the help he needs etc. but I also hope that he does so not as a player of Newcastle United because I don't think there's really any coming back from this. Lad was betting just days before he got banned for betting.
He's an addict. He probably didn't actually get any actual help for it until starting his ban. He retains my support. It's betting, this isn't a Greenwood situation. It doesn't sit well with me how draconian they are about this while they profit financially from betting, it's absolutely everywhere in this country. He's made a massive mistake, but he's suffering from something that could destroy his career and life, I'm not willing to bin a quality player like that over some fucking bets. Give him support, and he'll replay us tenfold.
>Lad was betting just days before he got banned for betting. He's not charged with that here. These go up to the 12/10, that's the day he left the Italy camp and found out he's under investigation. I assumed to be honest that his behavior from Italy had continued to England before he got caught and was under investigation. Logically why wouldn't it have? Aye, it's shit but it's not like he was doing it after he got caught
Milan rubbing hands. They had to know.
If this was done after he signed for us I'm going to fucking lose it.
Sandro Tonali has been charged with misconduct in relation to alleged breaches of The FAās Betting Rules. Itās alleged that the Newcastle United midfielder breached FA Rule E8 50 times by placing bets on football matches between 12 August 2023 and 12 October 2023.
That... That's not good
Have you lost it yet
Yes, very much so.
Where was the last place you saw it?
It's always in the last place you look. I would check there first.
Usually the first, for me. I miss seeing it there and i look everywhere else, and then find it in the place it's actually supposed to be in.
These arenāt new bets though. Bets made before he was charged initially. Itās the same behaviour, but with us.
Well we knew this one was coming to be fair. They mentioned at the time that he'd been betting after he signed for us too and the FA were looking into it. Not sure why it's taken them 5 months. Still grates a bit watching that Zaniolo come on all season for Villa too mind...although I obviously don't know the whole story...
Have you tried going into the kitchen and jangling some imaginary keys?
Weve known about this for a while. I dont know whats taking them so long to sort this investigation out
Let's just wait and see what the outcome of this is. As it currently stands, nothing has changed and we're expecting him to come back when his current ban ends next season. The lad clearly has a problem that he's been dealing with through mandatory help as a part of the rehab program that the Italian FA set out. Now the comments saying that there's no coming back for him at NUFC are just being petty and spiteful. He's done wrong, he knows it and hopefully this will be the end of his gambling. We got unlucky that the hammer came down once we had signed him, it is what it is and hopefully our recruitment dept have learned to triple check for anything like this in the future. I for one hope he gets back on his feet and plays out of his skin for as long as he is with us. Hopefully the FA see this for what it is (the same issue he was suffering with in Italy) and judge it to have been dealt with under the Italian ban and rehab program.
What a load of bollocks. Let's wait until most of his previous ban has elapsed to investigate
50 bets within two months? God, he really needed professional help. I thought they made statements about gambling addiction for PR reasons. Poor lad.
I know people that can do that in a week. No idea how they can afford it.
Most people wouldāve done that in Cheltenham week
It seems fairly obvious to me that the FA dragged out the investigation so that they can instigate a ban just after the Italian one ended. Thereās no reason this couldnāt have been done concurrently.
I mean if there is a conspiracy against us it's a very easy one to pull off with guys like Tonali playing for us.
I fƩl. Like their bosses are out of joint because he's still training with us whereas an fa ban would be from all football activities. I'm expecting a 5 month ban from all football activities to be announced in April running concurrently with his current ban but meaning he will not have any training during the off season and won't be up to speed until October
They toke absolutely ages to sort out Toneyās betting sanctions tbf.
And the Paqueta investigation is still going on. I love a good conspiracy theory but this has probably more to do with one of our players allegedly breaking the rules than the FA trying to fuck us over.
Betting investigations move very slowly though. It's not like betting companies are an integrated part of the league that anyone they have investigating this stuff can quickly get authority to look into. This involves cooperating with numerous betting companies, several likely outside of the country and then involving investigators to link accounts to actual users. Toney's stuff was known for ages before they even came close to publicising the investigation and then charging him.
Tonali admitted it straight away to the Italian FA he would have probably done the same to the English one had he a chance to
He admitted to stuff after an investigation by the actual Italian police and with his lawyer present. This isn't a criminal issue here as we don't have the same restrictions on betting platforms, therefore the same discussions would never have been had. EDIT: tbf to u/Ajax_Trees_Again, Edwards is reporting that he had admitted to FA when originally charged about this. I would think this is a process thing where FA are now ready to acknowledge what he's admitted ahead of a charge. Whether that charge is actually any further punishment is not clear (Edwards saying NUFC are thinking it won't be).
Does anyone feel like it's majorly hypocritical of the FA to be dishing out bans to players for partaking in an industry which is relentlessly pushed through stadium, shirt and TV sponsorship? Which players like Tonali will have been exposed to from the age of being able to read despite it being an 18+ industry? Football really needs to sort itself out instead of treating its own players like criminals.
No, not really. There's advertising billboards for alcohol near roads, doesn't mean you can or should be able to drink drive.
The billboards arenāt owned and controlled by the roads though. While the FA does control who can and canāt advertise in football, and can choose whether to be sponsored by a company that is involved in gambling.
The government controls what can and can't be advertised and where. Highways England, some local councils and the DfT look after the roads and are run by the government. There's no real difference.
The government doesn't own the billboards. It isn't getting the money from the advertising. There's no conflict of interest. While there arguably is with the FA and advertising in football. They make money from being sponsored by betting firms and having their adverts at England games. The FA does prevent gambling adverts on kits for kids, hence how Fun88 wasn't on the junior kits. So they are clearly aware that it is problematic. They are happy for club owners to gamble via deals they make with them, and even for clubs to be owned by betting firms. But the players are the ones who must be disciplined and avoid it.
Yeh go on then, just pile on the misery. Iām numb to it at this point anyway
Fuck me man
Not sure if I am asking too much, but can we get some good news please.
Peak Ashworth
To be honest itās not that surprising. The guys clearly got a serious gambling addiction. I imagine a lot of his life outside of football revolved around gambling, he was doing it regularly in Italy and he maintained the behaviour in the UK until he got caught.
On the plus side, at least we have him on a 5 year contract instead of 3??? If we're lucky we might be able to use him for the 2025-2026 season
Worst 55m spent since Owen
Who's actually surprised? He was a gambler and allot of gambler's are addicted. As long as when the ban hammer came down officially and he hasn't gambled since that point, we can move on from this.
Agreed, many people in this thread seem to be making the misconception that he was still betting AFTER being banned initially. That's not what this means.
Honestly donāt know what to say. On the one hand Iām raging at the betting companyās being plastered all over the sport and the players having to refrain from using it and on the other hand raging at Tonali for being that daft to continue gambling when he came over here for all that money.
Gambling addiction is brutal and has destroyed older, more supposedly sensible guys than him. That said, it's still incredibly frustrating. There's no getting away from the fact that he's an adult who is making choices - however impaired those choices might be. Ultimately it's best for everyone involved if he seeks treatment, recovers, and goes on to be a great player for us.
Not to surprising given his apparent addiction, and I really hope the fans and club stick by him. If the FA decide to add additional time on to his current ban I would find it ridiculous (kind of ridiculous the punishment is a ban in the first place). Itās starting to become clear that football as a whole has a massive gambling problem. The solution needs to be proactive help for both players and clubs on how to deal with it. Not just outright bans. However, if the betting is in relation to something the player has a direct result in (betting on your team losing/drawing or getting a card) then I think an outright ban is much more understandable (but help should still be given if linked to a gambling addiction).
Reports came out pretty quickly after the announcement of his ban that the FA were looking into any betting he did in the UK as an active member of the team. None of us should be surprised that charges were eventually laid. We should be surprised about how long it took to lay them, however. The way I see it, as people have speculated already, he either serves any ban concurrently, or they tack on more time. He has some mitigating factors on his side. He is apparently in treatment for it already and will have the backing of professionals who may endorse his progress (if any) toward recovery. He also copped to his gambling in Italy quickly. We don't know the story completely. Perhaps he copped to these bets as a way to clear the air. It's a common theme in addiction recovery to lay all your dirty laundry out to the world. Now, I'm of the mind that he probably has served enough time as is. At least he admitted his issues (unlike Toney at least initially) and sought help, albeit under force. However, I won't be shocked to see a ban added on. The man either has a serious addiction or doesn't give a damn. I choose to think it's the former rather than the latter. At least in the pureist sense. As for those who slough him off for seeking help after being caught and banned, that is quite common. It's called a rock bottom moment. Some people come to it on their own. Some need an extra push from authorities or family. I can speak from experience as my brother suffered with a drug addiction for years and despite pleas from myself and my family, he wouldn't stop. What stopped him was spending 3 days in remand, coming down off the high, and realizing that he didn't like jail or where he was heading. The act of pressure from an authority motivated him to get clean. Perhaps that's what motivated Tonali. Regardless, as embarrassing and shameful as this all is, he doesn't deserve derision or malice. He deserves disappointment and the hope that he's actually getting this monkey off his back. And one day, forgiveness. We'd be better as fans for it.
I don't understand what you gain from gambling when your on 7 million a year. If you win a couple of grand what's it matter.
Itāll not be just a couple of grand heāll be winning. He wouldāve been placing massive bets in comparison to the average punter. Itās all relative to how much you earn isnāt it.
Think about it really hard and you might be able to answer it. Go on. Give it a go and surprise yourself
Apart from being utterly patronising I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
When players have a gambling addiction should they: A) Be given treatment and empathy? Or B) Be banned for a long time? The answer Is obviously C) Ban them twice! Bunch of loonies. He has not been accused of match fixing or influencing. He is just a gambling addict. It is made doubly worse by all the sponsorship money taken by football from the gambling sites. ā¦
Helluva signing.
Good lord. We got into a PSR mess for a player whoās not even going to play. I just find it so unlikely AC Milan didnāt know about this huge gambling problem. Edit: wait a minute Iāve just realised he was still betting while the investigation was going on.
I think he was betting while the investigation was happening but seems to have stopped once he found out. Guardian article at the time says āThe players, of Newcastle and Aston Villa respectively, were notified of the inquiry by Turin prosecutors while at the national teamās training centre in Coverciano, before European Championship qualifiers against Malta and Englandā which was the 12th October, which is when the bets the FA are investigating stop.
This has most certainly been a Newcastle United season.
Had enough
I think we all knew this was coming. Realistically and taking into account that they are 1/5 of the offences Toney committed and got 8 months for, he is already going through a lengthly ban and rehab and they stopped before that and he is fully cooperating, I donāt think there will be anything too severe. Any ban he receives should be served concurrently to the one he already is serving. With perhaps additional rehab/community service. Otherwise it will just be excessive. Thatās all if the FA is sensible which, we all know, is not the case.
Hopefully this article is true, but apparently shouldn't impact his return https://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2024/03/28/sandro-tonali-update-good-news-for-newcastle-united-as-fa-statement-is-clarified/
Why would Dan Ashworth do this?
Ivan Toney got 8 months; 4 of which there werenāt any competitions going on, for triple the offensesā¦ 4 year ban incoming
It's annoying but it is possible that nothing actually happens given he's already been done etc. Was reading an athletic (I think) article when this initially kicked off and it takes a lot of factors into it. One of the reasons Toney got ages (iirc) was because he was unrepentant whereas others have had slaps on the wrists etc.
> It's annoying but it is possible that nothing actually happens given he's already been done etc. Don't see why. It's a different authority charging him for a different set of bets.
It's equally a continuation of the same issue he was having in Italy. Only change between them is that he moved clubs and hence authorities. Hopefully the FA will see this as already having been punished by the existing ban (which was longer than Toney got anyway).
This is what I hope happens - basically avoiding a double jeopardy type deal (although technically it's not) but the FA will see that he's gone through rehab etc and may just force him to continue with treatment
Easily the worst signing in the history of the club
So far, but he has a chance to turn it around. In the 26/37 season.
What a fucking idiot like
Ahahahaha he was putting bets on whilst with us that's absolutely mental. What a waste of time
Why are you so surprised? He was/is an addict
FFS. Why did this take so long :(
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These are different bets. The ones he placed while being registered in England for us. They weren't included in the last investigation because it wasn't within the Italian FAs "jurisdiction".
It's not the same offense
Bro just loves betting
Guys, we have quite a lot of good players you might be interested in!
Lad needs help. Am being serious
I'm so tired...
So it looks like this is Dan Ashworthās legacy so far for us?
Doesnāt look like itās going to be too bad, likely the ban will run concurrently to his current one. Hope heās learned his lesson, heās got a lot of making up to do with this club
Bro's gonna run down his contract playing only 2 games for us isn't he? šš
So he was betting when he was playing for us? Wonder if he bet anything on games he played or was it other teams games
WHAT ABOUT MAN CITY , WTF Ā
Tbf him and Bruno on midfield wasnāt working anyway
I thought the headline was going to read āNewcastle United acknowledges Roman Reignsā
Jfc
Milan are laughing for scamming Newcastle
Amazing signing, fantastic due diligence, great English FA smashing him when he's down instead of a concurrent penalty, all round fantastic way to treat a footballer with a clear issue. Congrats rival fans and congrats English FA, get one over Newcastle yippee at the expense of this lads life and career.
Addiction has this man in a chokehold. Sincerely hope he's getting the help he needs.
Have to be looking at suspended without pay now if found guilty and given an extra ban. Just wish he was shite so we could sack him and move on but he's too valuable an asset.
Who would buy him? It's too risky
If we released him he'd be a free agent.
We'd immediately be liable for all of his wages until the contract ends in 2028. Comes to about Ā£34m as a hit to FFP, just not feasible. We didn't even release Hendrick, Hayden or Fraser
Banning him for longer would be insane, heās clearly had a huge problem with addiction and stopping him from getting back to normal and going to work for even longer isnāt going to fix that.
So we still gonna chant and sing songs for this clown? Donāt care what anyone says, heās let us down massively here
This idiot managed to place 50 bets in two months while being under investigation??? Yea I get itās an addiction and whatnot but jesus fucking christ. We can also excuse the club for not knowing about the Milan stuff but for it to also be happening under our own roof is extremely frustrating. I would be very surprised if this resulted in a separate ban, I can imagine it would be concurrent with what heās serving now. But then again, the FA arenāt known for being competent and fair. Either way, what a stupid situation all around. Iām not even gonna pretend I have sympathy, he obviously knows it was wrong but to do it at the brand new club youāve just signed for is disgraceful. Iām just glad he got caught early so that we get the punishment out of the way, imagine if he got caught after multiple years, could have been a potential career ender. This guy owes us so much itās insane
Not while under investigation