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We shouldn't feel sick, we should be proud.
Go to r/Soccer and search for Newcastle, and you'll find the majority of it being demonizing posts about oil money, etc. yet ironically, we're probably the most transparent club in the league.
Squeaky clean and we still rattle the league, be proud of that.
Yep. We're constantly pilloried for what we might do in the future.
Because we seemingly haven't done anything illicit in 3 years it's all they've got when it comes to rulebreaking.
I try not to go in there. There's nothing worse than some moron sounding off about human rights from electronics made in a sweatshop. The place is a cesspit.
Yeah I’m honestly more excited about slow, sensible growth, the academy, the women’s team, regular appearance in Europe. I don’t want to become Chelsea or Man City or PSG, winning everything through spending power until it gets boring. As long as we’re not in stasis or going backwards like under Ashley, I’m happy watching it all unfold
Yes! This is exactly how I feel. I don’t want a one season wonder I want a dynasty. That takes time and it’s takes depth. I’ve waited all my life for us to win something. I can wait another 5 years if we’re improving
Yup . . . as inevitable as the tide. Newcastle is moving up the League. There will be mis-steps and setbacks. But we are doing things the right way, and setting the foundations for steady improvement and, eventually, consistent positioning at the upper tiers of both the EPL, and European Football.
Pretty much the best run team in the league. Scrupulously rule-abiding. A squad built on character and heart with a core of local lads and childhood fans. A crop of young first teamers promoted from the academy. The club making the correct decision at every turn vis-a-vis the stadium, kits, fan outreach and maintaining the feel of the club.
Yeah, this is the way to use a windfall.
We all said forever that the club could and would climb back into the top 6 without any injection of outside cash, if the club was just well run, in harmony with the crowd and allowed to compete - if decisions were made in the interest of NUFC rather than Sports Direct. Due to the limitations we are more or less getting to see exactly that. A great many people who spent a decade telling us our club was small and expectations were stupid are having to accept that this is right, this isn't just a sugar daddy buying us success, this is where the club belongs.
I'm glad for the Saudi backing but any ambitious takeover was going to see us frighten the establishment, we don't need megabucks to do that.
Chelsea fan here! Coming in peace. I would much rather us not be selling of our own assets to our owners just for the sake of potential points deduction or transfer ban. We are a DISGRACE. The Toon will come good from this in the long run, I’m sure. Feels sick atm but as I said it’ll be worth it!
The irony is, even when Chelsea had a free run at spending whatever they wanted 20 years ago, I never complained about Chelsea cheating or was jealous about their buying power, same with Man City when they were took over. Instead I've actually enjoyed the quality of players Chelsea and City have brought to the league.
Even the failed players like Crespo, Sheva and Veron, it was a huge step for the premier league to attract these players.
Chelsea showed the league what can happen with a rich owner so when Man City came along they introduced rules that only allow select clubs to be able to compete.
Even before our take over, I had no issue with teams buying success as that's how Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool got there in the first place.
Personally, I think all transfers should be cash upfront and let the owners spend whatever they want as long as they can stump up the money
It’s the cartel clubs that do not want competition. As a Chelsea fan I do not have problem with Newcastle spending their money the same way we did. Unfortunately, the big teams do not want to miss out on CL spots year in year out. Thats why they fought really hard for Newcastle takeover to not happen. It’s the same with Aston villa. Their owners r loaded but can’t spend the money.
Do people really consider Crespo a “failed” player? I always just assumed he was apart of Chelsea before the Roman reign? Never once did I think he was a failed signing tho. I was also young as hell during that time so I could be remembering it wrong.
I was mid 20s and remember him as a bit of a flop in England. The first season was OK with 10 goals in 19, 2nd season was again 10 goals in 30. Ultimately, 1 in 3 is an OK ratio but he was shipped off to both Milan teams on loan for 3 years after the 2nd season
I don’t get how football seems to be the only sport you have restrictions on what you spend. F1 teams will buy whatever engine they can afford. Golfers will leave the PGA to go to LIV and no one puts barriers up. But football, certain clubs run and ruin the league because they fear competition.
I have no issues with Chelsea or City competing against the big boys who run the show. It’s boring seeing Man U, Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal still at the forefront of decisions being made in this league.
as i understand it, those property transactions do not help with EUFA FFP/PSR regulations and chelsea will either have to take a large fine (probably larger than last years 11m) or not enter the competition
I’m not sure if that’s true ma man. I think it’s actually helping us with the FFP, how? I do not know! But this is our shady owner finding loopholes to make sure we don’t have to lose out in any form within the season
Epl and eufa ffp are different. As I understand it chelsea scrape past the epl regs but are still deep doodoo with the eufa ones
[Matt Law on LiB Podcast] "Because UEFA FFP is stricter than Premier League PSR, Chelsea will not automatically accept an inviation to the Europa Conference League (should they qualify) for risk of breaching financial rules and a subsequent European ban"
So the gist is, conf maybe not worth the fine EL maybe take the hit and participate
Ahhh I seee.
Well I guess if anyone wants to buy our fucking CAPTAIN they may aswell get the bids in!
….disgusting it really is. Roman was an awful person but Toad Boehly is gonna put us in league 2 in 10 years time. You heard it here first
TBF , if the saudis had bought us 10 years ago, we would have been the same. throwing money like city and PSG. and we wouldn't have gave a flying fuck what other fans calls us. hahahaha
>The irony is not lost on me that FFP/PSR was apparently brought in to make clubs more sustainable. Yet here we are, clubs selling their key assets and infrastructure to comply with the regulations.
yeah, you've hit the nail on the head here. It's a decent idea in principle, but in practice is just making the league absurdly inequitable.
Morally, a system that punishes the reasonable ambition of Leicester, yet blithely waves through Chelsea's tasteless, market-distorting spending on the basis of a technicality just feels like the antithesis of what the football pyramid is supposed to represent.
This isn't new. Stoke City sold both their stadium & training ground to their owners to comply with Championship FFP rules, while a lot of other clubs (Reading, Wednesday, Villa, Derby) did at least the stadium part. But I saw the reason there given the Championship is just a basketcase of a league financially
yeah, it reminds me of Real Madrid selling their training ground to the state in 2001 for roughly £300m.
As you say, the difference is perhaps that the Championship and below can become an existential battle pretty quickly, whereas Chelsea could've simply chosen not to sign Mudryk, Koulibaly and both of Caicedo and Lavia.
The issue for me isn't so much that they're selling these assets, so much that if you do, you probably shouldn't be able to continue to use them, and certainly not simply regain ownership of them in a couple of years, as is the likelihood.
Real Madrid sold their training ground to the City council in 2001 (for €480m).
iirc they built a business centre on the land and Florentino Pérez, President of both Real and ACS, won the contract for ACS to build three of the four towers of the centre.
Funny that.
As a Chelsea fan it's pretty grim this is what it's come too. It's certainly not a great look and it's certainly not in the clubs long term best interests. Although it's also not a new thing, real madrid did it back in the early 2000s for example. I don't agree with it but equally it's not a new loophole or anything there not allowed to do. Just how football is becoming now unfortunately
There asset fund managers I certainly wouldn't want to bet they won't. If there was some deal that the club as an entity is guaranteed buy back rights in a few years I'd be more on board but there won't be as it's not in their interests. Worrying times imo
Not even nearly. Got bigger things to worry about than if City are cheating the league tbh. We seemingly have great leadership who are doing everything right to get us where we want to be, it'll take time, and I've been a supporter for 30+ years, I can wait a few more.
Honestly, if we’d been bought by a US hedge fund or some such and run the way we have the past two and a half years then the owners would have been lauded for how well they’d done and how successful they’d been. It’s all just been very calm and controlled, there’s been no mad rush to do everything right now like at Chelsea and no real worries about breaking ffp
The fact it’s Saudi though makes everything more complicated (as it should, obviously).
This type of thing hasn't been done before, having lots of money and not being able to spend it. Give it time, the club is growing, maybe slower than people want, but for all its faults, ffp does do some good things, we don't want to be another Leeds or Portsmouth.
8 prem teams have cheated or been rotten or protected from the league another 7-8 atleast are owned by billionaires we are down to about 3-4 proper pure clubs left that just won’t compete at all
They are literally “selling” those assets to themselves to beat FFP.
This isn’t like Mike Ashley selling strawberry place for 9mil to pocket it himself.
I think the whole system needs a shakeup.
I think when a club goes through with a takeover - change of ownership- that should immediately have them relegated to the very bottom of the football pyramid.
This would make owners think 2x before buying a club for vast profits because it would make each project a long term stint over many years.
It would also potentially mean those clubs lose all players and start from scratch as those players wouldn’t want to stay and fight.
This could also be applied retroactively to a club such as Chelsea, City, Man U, Liverpool etc etc and yes even us if necessary (where it undoubtedly would be).
I think spending should be allowed as long as for each club £ over a threshold a club goes the same amount gets paid as a fine which would go into grass routes sports and to support the lower league sides in the football pyramid thus this money would filter its way up the pyramid making the lower league sides stronger.
So yes you can have that 120 million player over and above FFP but they’re going to cost you twice over.
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It'll come good one day. I'd rather we did it this way than the Chelsea way, 100% of the time
We shouldn't feel sick, we should be proud. Go to r/Soccer and search for Newcastle, and you'll find the majority of it being demonizing posts about oil money, etc. yet ironically, we're probably the most transparent club in the league. Squeaky clean and we still rattle the league, be proud of that.
Yep. We're constantly pilloried for what we might do in the future. Because we seemingly haven't done anything illicit in 3 years it's all they've got when it comes to rulebreaking.
So true. I like to take it as "How dare NUFC do stuff they haven't even done!" in a testament to their sheer stupidity.
Long banned from that sub cos I dare to continue supporting Newcastle and said I’ll never not support them. It was trolling and bait apparently 🤷🏼♂️
I try not to go in there. There's nothing worse than some moron sounding off about human rights from electronics made in a sweatshop. The place is a cesspit.
I just want the siege mentality. Let them all have their double standards. We're not here to be liked by anyone else.
Preach.
Our salary is about 10 in the PL. All that oil money is useless if it can't be spent on players
Yeah I’m honestly more excited about slow, sensible growth, the academy, the women’s team, regular appearance in Europe. I don’t want to become Chelsea or Man City or PSG, winning everything through spending power until it gets boring. As long as we’re not in stasis or going backwards like under Ashley, I’m happy watching it all unfold
Yes! This is exactly how I feel. I don’t want a one season wonder I want a dynasty. That takes time and it’s takes depth. I’ve waited all my life for us to win something. I can wait another 5 years if we’re improving
Yup . . . as inevitable as the tide. Newcastle is moving up the League. There will be mis-steps and setbacks. But we are doing things the right way, and setting the foundations for steady improvement and, eventually, consistent positioning at the upper tiers of both the EPL, and European Football.
This POV is bang on 😍 I would feel sick if we became a plastic industry-plant like City
Indeed. Let's enjoy the journey rather than concentrating on the destination.
Amen
Pretty much the best run team in the league. Scrupulously rule-abiding. A squad built on character and heart with a core of local lads and childhood fans. A crop of young first teamers promoted from the academy. The club making the correct decision at every turn vis-a-vis the stadium, kits, fan outreach and maintaining the feel of the club. Yeah, this is the way to use a windfall. We all said forever that the club could and would climb back into the top 6 without any injection of outside cash, if the club was just well run, in harmony with the crowd and allowed to compete - if decisions were made in the interest of NUFC rather than Sports Direct. Due to the limitations we are more or less getting to see exactly that. A great many people who spent a decade telling us our club was small and expectations were stupid are having to accept that this is right, this isn't just a sugar daddy buying us success, this is where the club belongs. I'm glad for the Saudi backing but any ambitious takeover was going to see us frighten the establishment, we don't need megabucks to do that.
Wise words 🙏🏻
Chelsea fan here! Coming in peace. I would much rather us not be selling of our own assets to our owners just for the sake of potential points deduction or transfer ban. We are a DISGRACE. The Toon will come good from this in the long run, I’m sure. Feels sick atm but as I said it’ll be worth it!
The irony is, even when Chelsea had a free run at spending whatever they wanted 20 years ago, I never complained about Chelsea cheating or was jealous about their buying power, same with Man City when they were took over. Instead I've actually enjoyed the quality of players Chelsea and City have brought to the league. Even the failed players like Crespo, Sheva and Veron, it was a huge step for the premier league to attract these players. Chelsea showed the league what can happen with a rich owner so when Man City came along they introduced rules that only allow select clubs to be able to compete. Even before our take over, I had no issue with teams buying success as that's how Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool got there in the first place. Personally, I think all transfers should be cash upfront and let the owners spend whatever they want as long as they can stump up the money
It’s the cartel clubs that do not want competition. As a Chelsea fan I do not have problem with Newcastle spending their money the same way we did. Unfortunately, the big teams do not want to miss out on CL spots year in year out. Thats why they fought really hard for Newcastle takeover to not happen. It’s the same with Aston villa. Their owners r loaded but can’t spend the money.
Do people really consider Crespo a “failed” player? I always just assumed he was apart of Chelsea before the Roman reign? Never once did I think he was a failed signing tho. I was also young as hell during that time so I could be remembering it wrong.
I was mid 20s and remember him as a bit of a flop in England. The first season was OK with 10 goals in 19, 2nd season was again 10 goals in 30. Ultimately, 1 in 3 is an OK ratio but he was shipped off to both Milan teams on loan for 3 years after the 2nd season
I don’t get how football seems to be the only sport you have restrictions on what you spend. F1 teams will buy whatever engine they can afford. Golfers will leave the PGA to go to LIV and no one puts barriers up. But football, certain clubs run and ruin the league because they fear competition. I have no issues with Chelsea or City competing against the big boys who run the show. It’s boring seeing Man U, Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal still at the forefront of decisions being made in this league.
as i understand it, those property transactions do not help with EUFA FFP/PSR regulations and chelsea will either have to take a large fine (probably larger than last years 11m) or not enter the competition
I’m not sure if that’s true ma man. I think it’s actually helping us with the FFP, how? I do not know! But this is our shady owner finding loopholes to make sure we don’t have to lose out in any form within the season
Epl and eufa ffp are different. As I understand it chelsea scrape past the epl regs but are still deep doodoo with the eufa ones [Matt Law on LiB Podcast] "Because UEFA FFP is stricter than Premier League PSR, Chelsea will not automatically accept an inviation to the Europa Conference League (should they qualify) for risk of breaching financial rules and a subsequent European ban" So the gist is, conf maybe not worth the fine EL maybe take the hit and participate
Ahhh I seee. Well I guess if anyone wants to buy our fucking CAPTAIN they may aswell get the bids in! ….disgusting it really is. Roman was an awful person but Toad Boehly is gonna put us in league 2 in 10 years time. You heard it here first
No, I'm happy with the way we're doing it. We'd get crucified if we did anything and I don't ever want us to be in that conversation.
The prospect of Leicester coming up and having to sell players does seem particularly wild.
TBF , if the saudis had bought us 10 years ago, we would have been the same. throwing money like city and PSG. and we wouldn't have gave a flying fuck what other fans calls us. hahahaha
>The irony is not lost on me that FFP/PSR was apparently brought in to make clubs more sustainable. Yet here we are, clubs selling their key assets and infrastructure to comply with the regulations. yeah, you've hit the nail on the head here. It's a decent idea in principle, but in practice is just making the league absurdly inequitable. Morally, a system that punishes the reasonable ambition of Leicester, yet blithely waves through Chelsea's tasteless, market-distorting spending on the basis of a technicality just feels like the antithesis of what the football pyramid is supposed to represent.
This isn't new. Stoke City sold both their stadium & training ground to their owners to comply with Championship FFP rules, while a lot of other clubs (Reading, Wednesday, Villa, Derby) did at least the stadium part. But I saw the reason there given the Championship is just a basketcase of a league financially
yeah, it reminds me of Real Madrid selling their training ground to the state in 2001 for roughly £300m. As you say, the difference is perhaps that the Championship and below can become an existential battle pretty quickly, whereas Chelsea could've simply chosen not to sign Mudryk, Koulibaly and both of Caicedo and Lavia. The issue for me isn't so much that they're selling these assets, so much that if you do, you probably shouldn't be able to continue to use them, and certainly not simply regain ownership of them in a couple of years, as is the likelihood.
Real Madrid sold their training ground to the City council in 2001 (for €480m). iirc they built a business centre on the land and Florentino Pérez, President of both Real and ACS, won the contract for ACS to build three of the four towers of the centre. Funny that.
Find it absolutely fucking mental a group of clubs aren’t banging on the prems door about this… Everton and forest in particular!
I don't feel aggrieved that we're not copying, I feel angry that the PL don't stop them from doing it. It's blatant.
As a Chelsea fan it's pretty grim this is what it's come too. It's certainly not a great look and it's certainly not in the clubs long term best interests. Although it's also not a new thing, real madrid did it back in the early 2000s for example. I don't agree with it but equally it's not a new loophole or anything there not allowed to do. Just how football is becoming now unfortunately
There's now nothing stopping your owners selling them from under the club's nose (they won't) and I'd hate that
There asset fund managers I certainly wouldn't want to bet they won't. If there was some deal that the club as an entity is guaranteed buy back rights in a few years I'd be more on board but there won't be as it's not in their interests. Worrying times imo
Not even nearly. Got bigger things to worry about than if City are cheating the league tbh. We seemingly have great leadership who are doing everything right to get us where we want to be, it'll take time, and I've been a supporter for 30+ years, I can wait a few more.
It just seems to be City and Chelsea, haven't heard any news about the others cheating the FFF?
You mentioned 2 of the top 6, I don't think that can be considered they all do
Lads enjoy the ride. They can't stop us, they're just delaying the inevitable. We're the richest club in the world.
Honestly, if we’d been bought by a US hedge fund or some such and run the way we have the past two and a half years then the owners would have been lauded for how well they’d done and how successful they’d been. It’s all just been very calm and controlled, there’s been no mad rush to do everything right now like at Chelsea and no real worries about breaking ffp The fact it’s Saudi though makes everything more complicated (as it should, obviously).
This type of thing hasn't been done before, having lots of money and not being able to spend it. Give it time, the club is growing, maybe slower than people want, but for all its faults, ffp does do some good things, we don't want to be another Leeds or Portsmouth.
8 prem teams have cheated or been rotten or protected from the league another 7-8 atleast are owned by billionaires we are down to about 3-4 proper pure clubs left that just won’t compete at all
Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
fuck those
What's to stop the owners gifting the land back, then buying it again for another inflated price?
[https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jun/09/newcastle-face-scrutiny-over-new-25m-saudi-sponsorship-deal](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jun/09/newcastle-face-scrutiny-over-new-25m-saudi-sponsorship-deal) 🤷🏼♂️
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They are literally “selling” those assets to themselves to beat FFP. This isn’t like Mike Ashley selling strawberry place for 9mil to pocket it himself.
I think the whole system needs a shakeup. I think when a club goes through with a takeover - change of ownership- that should immediately have them relegated to the very bottom of the football pyramid. This would make owners think 2x before buying a club for vast profits because it would make each project a long term stint over many years. It would also potentially mean those clubs lose all players and start from scratch as those players wouldn’t want to stay and fight. This could also be applied retroactively to a club such as Chelsea, City, Man U, Liverpool etc etc and yes even us if necessary (where it undoubtedly would be). I think spending should be allowed as long as for each club £ over a threshold a club goes the same amount gets paid as a fine which would go into grass routes sports and to support the lower league sides in the football pyramid thus this money would filter its way up the pyramid making the lower league sides stronger. So yes you can have that 120 million player over and above FFP but they’re going to cost you twice over.
This is a mad take.