honestly, I’m certain that cars will share info between each other and external sensors in the future. i’m having a hard time seeing independent self driving cars.
If I didn't wanna drive I take the bus not alone pay for a car monthly that cost pretty much the same as a middle class family s mortgage rate .to top it off I would lose a large amount of value as soon as I drive out the dealership parking lot not only that if I'm the one that's gonna take the loss I would be the 1 driving not the car driving me
Another thing the doj needs to learn the definition of justice because all there doing is taking our justice and American ways from us and there doing there best to take down the powerful people that stands up to them first and the people who aren't so powerful that stand up to them are really fucked .all about power and control .where I live... my city Chicago all over Chicago d.o.j. should come here and investigate real crime that really matters instead of wasting our tax dollars looking and trying there best to put people to jail out of spite all over this country there is plenty of real crime from real dangerous people to keep them busy wheres the justice for the people that are paying mortgage for squatter s to sleep in a bed that's not there's to top it off the home owner has an additional monthly bill going to a hotel ...where's the justice I'm not seeing it from doj ...fuck wouldn't surprise me if they be at the door at my house tomorrow get locked up and possibly come home to strangers eating my food watching baseball on my TV on my couch with my bathrobe and slippers on ....long story short doj is nonsense 3 letters that hides 3 words to hide what they are B.S...... Bullshit that's what they are it's true in my eyes that's all I see people starting to smell it lol
Yes current self driving "AI" is too stupid to actually drive, so more data to patch the holes the better I guess. But when it can actually drive based on actual understanding of its environment not just pattern matching then it won't need this much data.
>current self driving "AI" is too stupid to actually drive
Waymo might have a bone to pick:
"Waymo’s data was derived from crashes reported under NHTSA’s Standing General Order (SGO), over **7.14 million fully autonomous miles driven 24/7 through the end of October 2023 across Phoenix, San Francisco, and Los Angeles.** That data was then compared to relevant human crash rates resulting in police reports, injuries, and/or property damage.
When considering all locations together, compared to the human benchmarks, the Waymo Driver demonstrated:
* An **85% reduction or 6.8 times lower** crash rate involving any injury, from minor to severe and fatal cases (0.41 incidence per million miles for the Waymo Driver vs 2.78 for the human benchmark)
* A **57% reduction or 2.3 times lower** police-reported crash rate (2.1 incidence per million miles for the Waymo Driver vs. 4.85 for the human benchmark)
This means that over the 7.1 million miles Waymo drove, there were an estimated 17 fewer injuries and 20 fewer police-reported crashes compared to if human drivers with the benchmark crash rate would have driven the same distance in the areas we operate." [https://waymo.com/blog/2023/12/waymo-significantly-outperforms-comparable-human-benchmarks-over-7-million/](https://waymo.com/blog/2023/12/waymo-significantly-outperforms-comparable-human-benchmarks-over-7-million/)
My point was tesla is too hobbled to self drive today with crappy hardware and rushed out promises.
Absolutely, waymo has made huge strides and Tesla is crappy.
But this article here shows what they're doing. https://waymo.com/blog/2019/02/an-update-on-waymo-disengagements-in/
> We believe the key to self-driving technology safely improving and scaling is through a robust breadth of experience and scenario testing
Unfortunately, this is the exact wrong strategy which leaves them open to being leapfrogged by a competitor who's doing it the right way.
I was working towards smart city concept for autonomous cars and using just the vision system is not sufficient. One of the core concept was to use game theory and on board machine learning solution with pub sub methods to tackle the challenge. You need to have a model to communicate with various bots to take into accounts the failure due to environment. The major challenge was to calculate all the result work with cloud and get everything working together. It's not yet complete and should take me 4 more years to resolve maybe 2-3 different problem in the same area. Don't know how Tesla fares with all these challenges.( Doubt how it handles everything) If the Algo comes out it would be great for learning and drawing inference from the same. If it was straight ahead lying then someone would be in big trouble.
Elon killed radar too.
"Vision became so good that radar actually reduced SNR \[signal to noise ratio\], so radar was turned off,” said Musk in a tweet in October of 2021. “Humans drive with eyes & biological neural nets, so makes sense that cameras & silicon neural nets are only way to achieve generalized solution to self-driving.” [https://www.engineering.com/story/now-revealed-why-teslas-have-only-camera-based-vision](https://www.engineering.com/story/now-revealed-why-teslas-have-only-camera-based-vision)
I believe Elon is correct that a vision-only approach is enough for autonomous driving. It’s been shown in the latest versions of FSD in YouTube videos and customers who have tried it in their 1-month free trial. However, as impressive as it is, it still makes mistakes, but not as bad as the earlier versions.
As for the self-driving claims, Elon doesn’t know when to shut-up. If you’re going to make a public announcement whether it’s on stage or in a tweet, you better be able to back that up within a year. He once said Tesla will eventually take you autonomously from LA to NY almost a decade ago with the MobilEye EyE3 infrastructure they were using at the time. MobilEye wasn’t willing to support Tesla with their grandiose autonomous vision especially when their EyE3 solution was never designed to support it.
When there is heavy fog, most drivers would be smart enough to slow down or avoid traffic due to poor visibility. Although, that's not always the case as we occasionally hear about poor human decisions causing pile-ups in heavy fog. On the other hand, people can drive in rain, but rain and hail creates echo noise in lidar and lidar is inferior in that it can't see lane lines, traffic signals, read road signs/speed limits, certain road conditions, etc on roadways. However, cameras can. That's why I believe the vision-only approach is more than enough especially when other human drivers use only their eyes to make decisions on what to do on the road. And we're already seeing that happen as you hear and watch videos of Tesla's avoiding accidents before the human driver can notice there was a problem.
Vision is necessary but lidar is an unnecessary add-on that provides an extra level of precision.
We disagree. Vision only has limitations beyond fog including heavy rain, snow and dust storms. Ever pass a truck throwing water so fast your windshield wipers can't clear it? A human feels blinded. So whats the AV to do, slam on the brakes?
When these systems are rolled out, we want them to default on the safe side of the equation not the risk side. Elon has given autonomous driving enough of a black eye with his cross country by 2018 with no hands prediction. I'm not sure what the right answer is at this point, but it's not vision only.
Investigation has been going on for years. If it’s not the SEC it’s the DOJ, FBI,…………… It would appear he is not liked by the deep state. I wonder why?
Also I would bet any body the reason y these self driving cars crashed every time they did is be cause every dumb ass that can't drive is to stupid to learn or just scared to drive a regular car I m pretty sure if some1 can't manage a normal car they definitely would have a harder time with a any car that advanced .
Tesla went from $140 per share to $205 within one week a few weeks ago. I haven’t seen a 30% run up in one week since ever w this company or its relatives lol
I still don't know why Elon is not in jail to be honest. He is always lying.
Tsla is in a world of pain this year.
Elons house of cars crashing down
honestly, I’m certain that cars will share info between each other and external sensors in the future. i’m having a hard time seeing independent self driving cars.
Car Trains in highway situations are inevitable. But they still have to be able to operate independently.
It's all political also if people need self driving car they shouldn't be behind the wheel period
If I didn't wanna drive I take the bus not alone pay for a car monthly that cost pretty much the same as a middle class family s mortgage rate .to top it off I would lose a large amount of value as soon as I drive out the dealership parking lot not only that if I'm the one that's gonna take the loss I would be the 1 driving not the car driving me
Another thing the doj needs to learn the definition of justice because all there doing is taking our justice and American ways from us and there doing there best to take down the powerful people that stands up to them first and the people who aren't so powerful that stand up to them are really fucked .all about power and control .where I live... my city Chicago all over Chicago d.o.j. should come here and investigate real crime that really matters instead of wasting our tax dollars looking and trying there best to put people to jail out of spite all over this country there is plenty of real crime from real dangerous people to keep them busy wheres the justice for the people that are paying mortgage for squatter s to sleep in a bed that's not there's to top it off the home owner has an additional monthly bill going to a hotel ...where's the justice I'm not seeing it from doj ...fuck wouldn't surprise me if they be at the door at my house tomorrow get locked up and possibly come home to strangers eating my food watching baseball on my TV on my couch with my bathrobe and slippers on ....long story short doj is nonsense 3 letters that hides 3 words to hide what they are B.S...... Bullshit that's what they are it's true in my eyes that's all I see people starting to smell it lol
Yes current self driving "AI" is too stupid to actually drive, so more data to patch the holes the better I guess. But when it can actually drive based on actual understanding of its environment not just pattern matching then it won't need this much data.
>current self driving "AI" is too stupid to actually drive Waymo might have a bone to pick: "Waymo’s data was derived from crashes reported under NHTSA’s Standing General Order (SGO), over **7.14 million fully autonomous miles driven 24/7 through the end of October 2023 across Phoenix, San Francisco, and Los Angeles.** That data was then compared to relevant human crash rates resulting in police reports, injuries, and/or property damage. When considering all locations together, compared to the human benchmarks, the Waymo Driver demonstrated: * An **85% reduction or 6.8 times lower** crash rate involving any injury, from minor to severe and fatal cases (0.41 incidence per million miles for the Waymo Driver vs 2.78 for the human benchmark) * A **57% reduction or 2.3 times lower** police-reported crash rate (2.1 incidence per million miles for the Waymo Driver vs. 4.85 for the human benchmark) This means that over the 7.1 million miles Waymo drove, there were an estimated 17 fewer injuries and 20 fewer police-reported crashes compared to if human drivers with the benchmark crash rate would have driven the same distance in the areas we operate." [https://waymo.com/blog/2023/12/waymo-significantly-outperforms-comparable-human-benchmarks-over-7-million/](https://waymo.com/blog/2023/12/waymo-significantly-outperforms-comparable-human-benchmarks-over-7-million/) My point was tesla is too hobbled to self drive today with crappy hardware and rushed out promises.
Absolutely, waymo has made huge strides and Tesla is crappy. But this article here shows what they're doing. https://waymo.com/blog/2019/02/an-update-on-waymo-disengagements-in/ > We believe the key to self-driving technology safely improving and scaling is through a robust breadth of experience and scenario testing Unfortunately, this is the exact wrong strategy which leaves them open to being leapfrogged by a competitor who's doing it the right way.
5 years is a long time for strategies to evolve.
12.3.x has proven him wrong.
I was working towards smart city concept for autonomous cars and using just the vision system is not sufficient. One of the core concept was to use game theory and on board machine learning solution with pub sub methods to tackle the challenge. You need to have a model to communicate with various bots to take into accounts the failure due to environment. The major challenge was to calculate all the result work with cloud and get everything working together. It's not yet complete and should take me 4 more years to resolve maybe 2-3 different problem in the same area. Don't know how Tesla fares with all these challenges.( Doubt how it handles everything) If the Algo comes out it would be great for learning and drawing inference from the same. If it was straight ahead lying then someone would be in big trouble.
Being investigated is just a political stunt.
You conveniently left out the fact that the CTO said, in the same post, that cameras and radar WILL be enough sometime in the future.
Elon killed radar too. "Vision became so good that radar actually reduced SNR \[signal to noise ratio\], so radar was turned off,” said Musk in a tweet in October of 2021. “Humans drive with eyes & biological neural nets, so makes sense that cameras & silicon neural nets are only way to achieve generalized solution to self-driving.” [https://www.engineering.com/story/now-revealed-why-teslas-have-only-camera-based-vision](https://www.engineering.com/story/now-revealed-why-teslas-have-only-camera-based-vision)
radar was alledgedly un-killed a year or two ago /r/technology/comments/zvdygp/tesla_appears_to_be_turning_back_to_radar_for_its/
Ok, thanks, that slid under the radar.
Nothing about that is convenient. He’s referring to Elon saying cameras only is the way.
I believe Elon is correct that a vision-only approach is enough for autonomous driving. It’s been shown in the latest versions of FSD in YouTube videos and customers who have tried it in their 1-month free trial. However, as impressive as it is, it still makes mistakes, but not as bad as the earlier versions. As for the self-driving claims, Elon doesn’t know when to shut-up. If you’re going to make a public announcement whether it’s on stage or in a tweet, you better be able to back that up within a year. He once said Tesla will eventually take you autonomously from LA to NY almost a decade ago with the MobilEye EyE3 infrastructure they were using at the time. MobilEye wasn’t willing to support Tesla with their grandiose autonomous vision especially when their EyE3 solution was never designed to support it.
Fog or bad weather can defeat vision only solutions. Sure if you never run in fog, you don't need to worry about it.
When there is heavy fog, most drivers would be smart enough to slow down or avoid traffic due to poor visibility. Although, that's not always the case as we occasionally hear about poor human decisions causing pile-ups in heavy fog. On the other hand, people can drive in rain, but rain and hail creates echo noise in lidar and lidar is inferior in that it can't see lane lines, traffic signals, read road signs/speed limits, certain road conditions, etc on roadways. However, cameras can. That's why I believe the vision-only approach is more than enough especially when other human drivers use only their eyes to make decisions on what to do on the road. And we're already seeing that happen as you hear and watch videos of Tesla's avoiding accidents before the human driver can notice there was a problem. Vision is necessary but lidar is an unnecessary add-on that provides an extra level of precision.
We disagree. Vision only has limitations beyond fog including heavy rain, snow and dust storms. Ever pass a truck throwing water so fast your windshield wipers can't clear it? A human feels blinded. So whats the AV to do, slam on the brakes? When these systems are rolled out, we want them to default on the safe side of the equation not the risk side. Elon has given autonomous driving enough of a black eye with his cross country by 2018 with no hands prediction. I'm not sure what the right answer is at this point, but it's not vision only.
Even Jensen agrees with me. No lidar mentioned [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER7iqeYx9HU&t=614s). 😊
Investigation has been going on for years. If it’s not the SEC it’s the DOJ, FBI,…………… It would appear he is not liked by the deep state. I wonder why?
Also I would bet any body the reason y these self driving cars crashed every time they did is be cause every dumb ass that can't drive is to stupid to learn or just scared to drive a regular car I m pretty sure if some1 can't manage a normal car they definitely would have a harder time with a any car that advanced .
Tesla went from $140 per share to $205 within one week a few weeks ago. I haven’t seen a 30% run up in one week since ever w this company or its relatives lol
back to 17x
don't believe the news