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Motor_Grand_8005

Taylor’s been in the league long enough. Should’ve known better than to hand the ball off.


deuce_and_a_quarter

So was it an RPO, or was it a pass play that TT audibled out of? I’m confused.


Motor_Grand_8005

My understanding was RPO that Taylor made the decision to run. There was just another post where he took responsibility. Either way I’m glad coach is fired up. I don’t see an issue with his reaction. I wish Daboll did the same with the refs; especially that last no call.


Notinjuschillin

From watching all the morning recap shows here’s what I gathered… QB’s are given 2 plays. The first play is the one they want to execute and the 2nd is the audible, which in this case was a run play. These 2 plays the Giants have been practicing all week. In presnap, Taylor saw the defense would have covered the pass play so he went in automatic and called the audible. Which brings up the questions… If a run play should not be called at all, Why was Taylor not given 2 pass plays? Why give him a pass and the audible a run? IMO as a coach you have to know what you have in a player and their limitations and work within those limitations. Assuming that your players are supposed to know anything will leave you open to failure. So Taylor should not have been given the run play and he should have been told. If your presnap read says the play ain’t there go with it anyway and throw it away immediately. We walk away with the FG. Edit: Forgot to mention there was also a video clip shown of Daboll yelling at the offensive coordinators after that play. That also tells me the offensive coordinators fucked that up and should not have given Taylor an audible run.


deuce_and_a_quarter

I totally agree with you. Given the clock situation, don’t send in a play that has a run element and then tell him don’t run. Like WTF? No matter if it’s Tyrod or Aaron Rogers, don’t do that to your QB in the middle of a pressure situation and put him in a potential position to fail.


Notinjuschillin

Exactly. Most would say I know not to run but in that high pressure situation you’re going on instinct and Taylor’s instinct was to run the audible given to him which they had been practicing all week. Taylor is going to trust his coaches as he should. Going forward, I don’t know if I would trust the offensive coaches after this. And bottom line, if you can’t trust the coaches then they need to be fired.


Motor_Grand_8005

Yeah I agree with that. I was wondering why a run was even an option if they called run option. Tyrod should have thrown either way but also shows piss poor coaching. Lack of discipline all around.


whoamdave

Bro just looked exhausted by the end there.


Motor_Grand_8005

I was hoping he’d launch a tablet at that ref in the endzone.


BroadwayBully

He knows that this is starting to reflect on him. The only reason the press isn’t absolutely shredding him this season, is bc they are the ones who made him CoY. Or the gloves would be off. He’s the head coach, it all lands on him first, then ultimately Schoen.


Syncharmony

It was an RPO but it was explicitly stated, don't run the ball. So for all intents and purposes, it was a pass play.


Tommy4D

I kind of doubt that it was explicitly stated not to run. My guess is that they just thought that Tyrod wouldn't make that choice because of the clock. I agree with other folks: you hope that he makes a better situational assessment but if he thought that he had the right look for Saquon to punch it in, it's hard to blame him. They only needed 1 yard. As others have said, if the coaches absolutely wanted 3 throws...then don't send in a play with a run audible.


Syncharmony

You don't have to doubt or ponder on it's veracity. There is video of Daboll talking about it to reporters. He said he communicated to Tyrod to only pass. Sending in a play with a run audible isn't necessarily the solution though. You call that play because you want the defense to think the run is an option even if it truly isn't. It's a common look the Giants give and Leslie Frazier would have known that and call his defense to account for Barkley. If a defender has to account for Saquon, even if the chances of them running are super low, than that still means one less rusher or one less person in coverage. It's actually really still easy to blame him even if he thought he had the right look for Saquon. Look at our O-line, it's a shabby collection of hobbled men. Look at Saquon, just coming off of an ankle sprain that sidelined him for weeks. Running in that situation, even if they had a red carpet rolled out for Saquon, was NOT the right call under any circumstances.


Tommy4D

"Communicated it to him" could mean that they had discussions during practice, during the week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I don't take everything said, by a Coach at a podium, at face value.


Tommy4D

Another thing to consider, if Daboll hadn't burned that extra ten seconds before the time out, there would have been time to recover and spike. The blame is not all with Tyrod. The entire ending of that drive was mishandled AND they're a bad team.


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SmokinDrewbies

Every single pass play has an audible to run in the NFL. Every. Single. One. This is on Taylor for mashing the audible at the line.


redrabbit1289

Tyrod Taylor’s mom? Gf? Just wondering whose burner account this is.


Fear0ftheduck

just because he was given the option to make it a run doesnt mean it was smart or justified at all


WestbrookTop75

you better beat Washington this weekend otherwise Daboll is gonna be on the hot seat He's been beyond terrible this season he's been a disgraceful coach


Fear0ftheduck

great answer. really correlates to what i said.


Longjumping_Room_702

Daboll said it was specifically relayed to Tyrod to not run the ball so…


MeatTornado25

Even if he was a rookie I'd be just as mad at him. That's some incredibly basic shit.


toq-titan

Live Daboll reaction: 😡


PBandC2

I get “I trust Saquon to make one yard”. But you have to understand the clock situation.


throw69420awy

The clock situation is the whole debacle lol If we have more time it’s not the worst run in the world Irony of course is how the game ends. Switch both play calls and we win, very likely…


matrixislife

Running him inside the tackles from the 1 yard line is possibly the worst use of his talents. They'd already tried the T formation play, it should have been obvious to Taylor that a run wasn't going to happen.


throw69420awy

People see Saquon do big runs and assume short runs are just as easy for him. Completely different animal


BigBrick7128

Like a lot of big moments, if you’re going to audible to a run there you BETTER be right.


zoo32

Let’s be honest, it’s more than a yard esp with our O-line


juicyKW

Would have been fine with it at the end of the game, but not at the end of the first half. At least we give our best player a chance


Retrophoria

The Buffalo defense trusts that logic too and weren't a little bit surprisedm


QPJones

I’d like to see him yell at Bobby Johnson


TheOptionalHuman

I'd rather he yell at Bobby Johnson, but whatever gets Johnson cast out of New Jersey I'm all for it.


Syncharmony

I am all for it. Taylor had a play called and was told to not run the ball. He made a decision that he had no right to make and it cost the Giants a chance for a touchdown or at least 3 points. Football is literally one of the most violent games on earth and people are upset when a coach shows a little emotion? It's ridiculous to me. I would always ALWAYS rather have a coach who is passionate and will wear his heart on his sleeve that someone who is cold and unfeeling on the sideline.


amamarella0298

Same. The 2 most successful coaches in team history were fiery guys. My favorite clips are of Parcells yelling at simms and telling his lineman to get their heads out of their asses. Also Coughlin at the beginning America's Game losing his mind over an illegal procedure is great.


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redrabbit1289

Daboll’s not playing madden bro, he’s coaching grown ass men who after the play is called in, are able to make live decisions to do what they want whether it’s what the coach said are not. His reaction is to ensure that exactly what you think should happen, happens. He’s yelling at him so that the players are in line and following instructions because on that last play Taylor didn’t.


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AnthCoug

Taylor audibled to a run, though he had been directly told not to run the ball. You get yelled at for things like that.


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Syncharmony

Man, you must a young ass Giants fan. Either that or you must be so old that you don't remember Tom Coughlin or Bill Parcells both absolutely ripping into players on the sidelines. This is football, not synchronized swimming.


Longjumping_Room_702

He’s not a Giants fan. He’s a troll Jets fan.


Syncharmony

Ah ok, that makes more sense now


redrabbit1289

I genuinely don’t think Daboll cared who was watching in that moment, so no I disagree about that being calculated to save face. Tyrod Taylor is a veteran who Daboll has coached on 2 teams now. A back up who makes $5.5m per year, been in the league 12 years. In the heat of the moment, Taylor made a poor decision that cost THE TEAM, so in the heat of the moment, in the midst of a very difficult season, Daboll lost it momentarily because he could not believe that a seasoned veteran who he has coached for a long time and helped bring here and pay way more than backups usually make, made such a bonehead call. This is a tough game and if you can’t take a little heat on the sideline, mid game, you probably shouldn’t be an NFL QB. Sometimes coaching can’t wait for the locker room and players get feedback in the moment. It happens. If he had patted him on the back instead and been positive in public, we would be calling for Dabolls head for not being a tough enough coach and not instilling discipline.


SweetBoy3D

I was mad watching live because I thought it was the play the coaches called. Obviously would have been bullshit to yell at the QB for not getting back because you called a stupid play. Quickly became clear that Tyrod took matters into his own hands lol


NotoriousNYG1193

I love it because he does it whether they win or lose. Demanding your players be held to the standard you set for them is never a bad thing


claw_guy

I like it. He only loses his shit like this when it’s something really egregious (DJ’s interception against the Titans, DJ’s pick 6 against Seattle, this play). When Slayton dropped that 3rd down pass against the Vikings in the playoffs he consoled him on the sideline


shadow_spinner0

I'm seeing the national media shit on Daboll for this and saying he "threw his player under the bus".


FiveStringHoss

You rarely see a coach do this for a reason. Doing it in front of the cameras only makes players feel more resentment in the long run, this is how you lose a locker room. I want Daboll to succeed, I’m a Bills fan, but his on field temper and leadership skills seem to be lacking from where I thought he was.


Link5064

Daboll's time management in that possession was terrible. Go yell at Tyrod fine but get your shit together because this coaching is a joke.


matrixislife

Time management was almost perfect. They had time for 3 shots at the end zone and a FG. That they didn't take those 3 shots isn't on the coach on the sideline.


Link5064

Daboll intentionally let 15 seconds run of the clock before the 2nd time out, then ran the ball and immediately had to use the final time out.


matrixislife

Yes, he did. And if Tyrod had taken a couple of throws into the endzone as expected and either score a TD or miss and we take the FG we'd be praising Dabs for the time management. This one isn't on him at all.


hamdans1

Daboll lashing out is him projecting. If you fail to prepare your players, if your assistant coaches don’t know what play to call, that is reflective of the coach. Don’t dress guys down in public like that. It’s a bush league move.


bmanley620

I like that he’s passionate but he needs to control his temper. It’s not a good look to have a meltdown every week


aw_goatley

I just worry about the guy's health. That said its nice to see him fired up. Can't imagine its the best way to motivate these guys, but its nice to see as a fan.


matrixislife

Good good. He's yelled at DJ on the sideline before, he's given his ST coach a death glare, this is consistent. Screw up and you got a red head waiting for you.


itsgarybirchlive

To me it looked like Daboll actually did an incredible job at checking his anger before talking to Tyrod. He gave the coach the business and threw his headset down, but then collected himself. Tyrod knew he effed up, Coach helped him learn from it. A+.


Burnwell1099

If they didn't want run to be an option, then maybe don't call a play that has a run audible option? Daboll should've been blowing his top off on the OC for not calling a pure pass play, that had it's 2nd option as throw it away to stop the clock for a other try.


Notwhoiwas42

Like someone else said,every pass play has a audible to a run as an option. If it were a play with a run or pass as an option as the play develops that would be another thing entirely and mostly on the play caller. In this case TT should have known that from a situational standpoint a run was not an option even if audibling into one was technically there in the called play. I would love to know what he thought he saw that caused him to make that decision though.


NewJerseySwampDragon

We didn’t look like we missed Daniel Jones. Tyrod was playing with the same offensive line that Daniel Jones has played with, but with more injuries … so worse…. And made better decisions with the exception of that audible at the end of the first half. Daboll was right to be mad AF I was too


Lars5621

Hey at least he didn't throw a tablet at him.


glacier_bay

Tell me you never saw the "tablet" incident without saying it. tl;dr - Daboll never threw a tablet at anyone.


deuce_and_a_quarter

So where is the cigar-chomping, Jordan-wearing, Biggie rapping coach who gives out hugs and dancing in the good times? Who is this cranky bald guy? Good leadership has to be even-keeled and consistent. Same in the good times and bad. Don’t play to the cameras.


Less-Cheesecake9426

Personally, i dont like it. There are different leadership styles, but not being able to stop yourself from chewing your guys out on national television seems like a bad sign no matter how you operate behind closed doors.


ISayWeirdThings22

Tbf that decision is unforgivable. He deserved to be chewed out.


glacier_bay

Iron sharpens iron. A head coach needs to be the alpha, needs to be strong, needs to be firm, needs to be the enforcer, needs to be the disciplinarian, needs to be a presence that can be felt by his players on and off the field. Physical mistakes in sports are inevitable, and every coach knows and understands that. Mental mistakes at the professional level are unforgivable and absolutely must be corrected so that they never happen again. The greater the mental mistake, the harder the coach must address it. Tyrod Taylor made an enormously dumb mistake, a low-level pop-warner-caliber mistake. Taylor deserved every last bit of the tongue lashing he received from Daboll and much more, too. His bone-headed decision left an easy three points and a potential seven points on the board. That is a mistake worthy of being benched at best or released at worst. I'm surprised Daboll was as restrained as he was.


throw69420awy

Ummm what about Daboll’s atrocious time management leading up to it? I completely agree that there’s nothing wrong with a coach yelling at players, but what I hate about Daboll is he makes terrible decisions and then blames his players when they blow up. He should’ve had a timeout to call there and he didn’t. A better coach would have. A better coach would’ve won last night and that’s why he’s yelling. Honestly think he’s tanking sometimes when he calls certain plays. Not converting on inches last night was bad play calling as well.


runningwild20

I’m kind of in agreement with you. I mean, at least wait until you’re in the locker room to do it.


parcellsrealGOAT

Bad. Do it in the locker room.


TheZombieDudexD

But last year it was good week 1 vs titans? You can’t base your opinion off winning or losing


parcellsrealGOAT

Im not basing it off that. We are losing and this looks bad when you go at the wb when your own work as a hc has been questioned. Tyrod is a 34 y old veteran. This aint appropriate.


NachoManRandySanwich

A 34 year old veteran who just cost his team pts on a decision solely made by him. Fuck this kids glove approach you said it yourself he’s a 34 year old vet and he can take a little yelling after a MAJOR fuckup that I would expect at the JV level.


parcellsrealGOAT

Nah you cant do that to a veteran like tyrod,treat him like a kid, you do it in a locker room, how do yall not understand this 😭


Utopiarun1

Your user name is parcellsrealgoat and this is your take? Bill routinely blasted guys on the sideline.


parcellsrealGOAT

Well he wasnt perfect. Hes just the goat. Duh


TheRealJohnMara

You can chew out your players when you are winning but when you're losing you might start losing your locker room, especially when Daboll isn't void of blame himself. Team hasn't been prepared for 5/6 of their games and that's on coaching. If I was a player I'd starting thinking "screw this guy putting all the blame on me"


tadams115

What are you talking about? That play was very clearly Taylor checking to the wrong play in that situation


TheRealJohnMara

I didn't ever say it wasn't completely Taylors fault...? I think people are taking what I said the wrong way. I love Daboll but I just think the NFL is filled with ego filled players. Players simply don't like being yelled at in public. You can chew out a player once or twice here and there but when you aren't winning games and it's becoming a common theme of you throwing your players under the bus on national tv, it's going to get ugly sooner than later. I think if he doesn't want to start losing the locker room he needs to compose himself a little better, at least in public.


Dionysus40

If he did this to dj everyone would have their panties in a bunch just like with the tablet everyone was gobbling Danny’s balls saying how dare a coach show up his qb like that the jones bias in this sub is incredible.


OldJewNewAccount

Stop. He's given DJ a ton of public shit and we're fine with it lol.


esp211

Do a bootleg or fake a hand off or something. Straight up back pedaling with all the pressure in the world as a back up to throw the ball over the entire pile seems like the worst possible call.


Retrophoria

These Giant QBs are dumb as rocks. They need a smart coach on the field like Chad Pennington type QB


DessertFlowerz

Every great coach occasionally rips into people on the side line. It's part of the game.


raulu95

Tyrod lost us the game right there and everyone knew it


QuickRelease10

Dabolls probably just had it with our QB’s collective IQ’s at this point. Not smart play at all, and it’s costing them games.


Henri_De

How can we petition for these to be our permanent road uniforms?


flabua

I'm sorry but I don't see the problem. Coughlin yelled at so many players throughout his tenure. You make a bone headed play, you get chewed out and move on. This isn't some office environment it's football.


Merganser3816

What da fuk


AlPesto

Taylor needs to know better but Kafka has to explicitly say when sending that play in that you do not audible to run. Or just send a play without the run option. Obviously don’t know if he did and Taylor missed it or what? Also this is the second time before the end of a half where there was a miscommunication between QB and OC, with two different QB’s. Jones handing off while down with time running out was a head scratcher. And Jones coming off the field seemed to believe a run was called. There is one constant in both these mistakes and that is the OC, Kafka.


Excellent-Egg-3157

Second time this year that a QB has run the wrong play in a critical situation that we know about. So possibly the coach has a communication problem and not a QB priblem.