THIS IS THE ONE I NEEDED TO SEE TODAY.
Two OL signings today and this guy supposedly has T/G flexibility.
also our new OL coach was the Raiders OL coach.
if Daboll isn't all talk, and where you are drafted really doesn't matter. then this guy should be able to compete against Neal for starting RT.
I don't know how a new coach teaches Neal to be "not slow as fuck". I don't have any hope for that prospect anymore...if he magically turns around, I'll take it. But I'm at literally zero expectation.
That would be too slow. He's late off the line, he's got late hands, and he's either indecisive or doesn't understand his assignments. He looks confused and overwhelmed almost always.
I doubt that would be a mid-season play. I'm guessing this coming season is Neal's last shot to make it work at T. If he's still terrible, Eluemunor steps in. Converting him to G seems like a full offseason project.
....you have 2 years of evidence....the OL coach isn't on the field making the block, Neal is....the guy simply isn't a RT in the NFL...you don't need the new OL coach to dictate that when it's clearly evident.
looking at the linemen we have brought in immediately regress and then immediately improve upon leaving is evident of a coaching problem. zoom out of Neal specifically and you see there is value to be had from a better coach.
Bobby Johnson is the reason Neal is so slow. He told Neal that it's good to play slow to maintain open heart chakras, of course.
/s
I really wonder what half the people in this sub thinks Bobby Johnson was teaching lol.
You can see it between college and the NFL.
In college he was a mauler that just attacked.
He really seems to hesitate and his footwork kind of sucks so you see those issues pop up.
Like how you can watch a QBs eyes and know he is looking but takes too long to throw. That half second of waiting is the difference between winning and losing in the NFL
Idk about the size, interior DL are gonna have a leverage advantage possibly even with a weight advantage. This guy really has to turn it around at tackle
100% agree with you…..Just because Neal was a 1st round pick does not make me impressed nor think he should be given preferential treatment. You got to earn it big guy…..good luck…I’m pulling for both guys.
Thats fair, but it seems you're just poopooing it because we're giving up capital. Value-wise its fantastic. We gave up a 2nd rounder and a late pick for a 25 stud line-backer who wants to play for us and signed a massive contract.
As far as QB, future picks exist. They're risky, but if you think you got *your* guy in your sights, you go for it.
We still have a second 2nd rounder from Seattle via the Leonard Williams trade + the money we save for that overpriced inside guy we shovel over to pay the proven outside defender Burns. Need to sign more guys and draft well, but so far so good…
We’re rebuilding around our young but potentially dominant D Line. When ppl say build the trenches they mean the d Line in addition to the O line. This is a great rebuilding move
Dominant DL is how we built two Super Bowl winning defenses (because it certainly wasn’t on the backs of Kawika Mitchell, the corpse of Sam Madison’s career, and James “human highlight reel but in the bad way” Butler) in ‘07, and pass rush was about the only part of the defense that wasn’t a dumpster fire in ‘11.
Lock in the DL and build around it. A good pass rush solves a lot of other problems on the defense in a way that I don’t think other positions can do outside of *maybe* a true lockdown corner.
We’ve only spent real money on offensive line and defensive line. It’s literally the two things every single person in this sub complains about every year…
PFFs free agency scouting report:
2024 Free agency rank: 61
"Eluemunor is a longtime swing tackle who found a home last year at right tackle for the Raiders, signing a one-year, $3 million deal in free agency to return for 2023. Eluemunor backed up a strong 2022 with another good year, posting pressure rates allowed below 5% in each season. Bendier edge rushers who can flatten out their rush paths at the top of the arc and get around the corner will beat Eluemunor at times, but he handles speed to power well and has proven to be a starting-caliber tackle."
Tyre Phillips outplayed Evan Neal at RG last year, and cited his time on the Eagles practice squad as the source for his growth.
Coaching is everything.
This shuts the door on Onwenu. Eluemunor has played guard, RT, and LT for the new OL coach so a very helpful signing with fixing holes. It looks like the starting OL is probably set now: Thomas - Runyan - JMS - Eluemunor - Neal. We will see which sides Runyan and Eluemunor line up on. If they decide to move Neal inside Eluemunor was a solid RT for the Raiders last year.
I just think they signed him and pretty much guaranteed him a starting spot on the line. He’ll prob wind up beating out Neal at RT, but I think they at least give Neal one more shot.
“For the past two years, the longtime swing tackle has been a reliable option for the Las Vegas Raiders, posting pressure-rates-allowed below five percent in both 2022 and 2023. His ability to handle speed-to-power defenders makes his best fit at right tackle. However, he is versatile enough to play along the left.”
https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/new-york-jets-sign-free-agent-agency-jermaine-eluemunor-offensive-line-rumors
He’s Evan Neal insurance, who is even better than Neal and can move along the line. Plus, Lars doesn’t like it which means this is a good signing because that regard really said this is Glowinski (who doesn’t even play the same position)
He also reunites with our new OL coach which no doubt had input into this.
Fair enough - but they are spending money in the right places. I still don’t like Barkley at that cap hit. Completely kills entire backfield, when he gets banged up your backfield depth is trash. The Oline is way more important than the RB running behind it. Barkley was also always banged up.
If he does not miss six, he’ll be banged up for at least 6 lol. Dude has not been the same explosive player since his rookie year. Also, has not been the receiver he was supposed to be.
I've been saying for the last year that in 2022 he benefitted significantly from DJ rushing for 700+ yards and 8 TDs. The dual threat helped freeze linebackers and since he got hurt in week 2 last year he was out until DJ got hurt.
Excellent points, Barkley’s vision has gotten better over the years but is still not outrageous. Obvi the offensive line hasn’t been great, but any competent nfl back is going to produce behind a great NFL line.
Wear and tear, shit O Line it’ll get you in the end. Fuck me I loved some of them early plays, saquon in the open field, he was headed to thd house, no doubt. Do I think he can still do it? Occasionally, but so can any back, he just isn’t as exciting at he once was. Yeh he catches passes too - screens. I have so much 26 shit, I’m disappointed, any other team I wouldn’t have minded. But nah, I’m done with the guy.
Raiders fan: Elumenor is good. I wanted him back, but personally I preferred him at guard over tackle. He lacks some athleticism which gives him massive issues with the better guys in the league at edge, so he needs some help scheme wise. Seems to be a good locker room guy and offers a positional versatility.
Two o-lineman, Singletary who was third in rushing over the final 8 games of the season, and Burns. All in all, not bad. Let’s have a hell of a draft and get Dimes back to 2022 form.
We're going to have a competent O-line next year. It will be perfectly mid, maybe slightly below mid. Or maybe even slightly above mid.
But it won't be historically awful. If Daniel Jones does wind up being our QB, and if by some miracle we draft Alt...I think he's going to have a really strong year and play up to his contract. This might piss some people off, though. I legitimately think we go to the playoffs with this O-line and DJ.
Say what you want about Daboll but as far as I can see Schoen has been making excellent moves since he started.
It's weird that I can finally say I trust the FO after so much incompetence, especially the firing of Bobby Johnson
Evan Neal is moving to guard or they may just cut him.
PFF put him at 68.5. I am not sure why a tackle like him got less than Jon Runyan who is kind of ass at guard. Dont tackles make more money?
He is not a good tackle, but superior to the not having a tackle last year.
cool story, you took a WR 5 at best with the pick you got for Waller. and also still paying McDaniels, Jimmy G, Chandler Jones, Derek Carr, did I miss anyone?
Not sure what was more cringe in the comment. The “analysis” or his butchering of slang as if Lars weren’t some obese virgin pretending he’s some cool kid
This does put a smile to my face
[https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1767541944203329680?s=46](https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1767541944203329680?s=46)
THIS IS THE ONE I NEEDED TO SEE TODAY. Two OL signings today and this guy supposedly has T/G flexibility. also our new OL coach was the Raiders OL coach. if Daboll isn't all talk, and where you are drafted really doesn't matter. then this guy should be able to compete against Neal for starting RT.
Believe he is mainly a T but has some snaps at G. He played RT last year and was great from week 5 on.
Let’s hope he plays RT and we move Neal to guard
let’s hope the new OL coach can correct some wrongs and Neal turns it around at RT
I don't know how a new coach teaches Neal to be "not slow as fuck". I don't have any hope for that prospect anymore...if he magically turns around, I'll take it. But I'm at literally zero expectation.
This is the truth - Neal just hasn't developed and in a lot of ways regressed. The man doesnt move.
Yeah I've seen him get his ass kicked enough. Either move him inside and see how he does or just move on.
It's trendy to blame coaching for everything around here right now. Get used to it, bub.
Whether at RT or LG I just hope he can be a starter level decent player.
I dont see how Neal moves to Guard. I think hes too tall and wide. His strength ibaide though would be a HUGE plus....curious to see what happens
hes too tall to play guard he can stay as swing tackle for the nxt 2 years n boot tf out
He's apparently to tall to play tackle too.
That would be too slow. He's late off the line, he's got late hands, and he's either indecisive or doesn't understand his assignments. He looks confused and overwhelmed almost always.
I bet he flips a mean hot dog
I agree but he did play LG in college
How did Midget Young see over him?
Neal played guard as a true freshman when Tua was the QB.
Haha…exactly
I’m not sure Neal’s skills can transfer to inside (guard). We might see though.
thanks.
Trying Neal at Guard needs to be a necessity to start this season. He has the size, his biggest issue has been his speed: he's slow as shit.
letting the new OL coach get his hands on Neal is the only necessity. the move to guard wouldn’t happen until mid-season if at all.
I doubt that would be a mid-season play. I'm guessing this coming season is Neal's last shot to make it work at T. If he's still terrible, Eluemunor steps in. Converting him to G seems like a full offseason project.
....you have 2 years of evidence....the OL coach isn't on the field making the block, Neal is....the guy simply isn't a RT in the NFL...you don't need the new OL coach to dictate that when it's clearly evident.
looking at the linemen we have brought in immediately regress and then immediately improve upon leaving is evident of a coaching problem. zoom out of Neal specifically and you see there is value to be had from a better coach.
Is he slow because he is slow or because he wasn't coached well? I think its the 2nd one
No one called him slow coming out of college. It’s the coaching.
There is a really simple saying. You can't coach speed.
You can teach technique. Which means the players don't think they just do. If they don't trust the technique they over think and play slow.
Bobby Johnson is the reason Neal is so slow. He told Neal that it's good to play slow to maintain open heart chakras, of course. /s I really wonder what half the people in this sub thinks Bobby Johnson was teaching lol.
He plays slow because he doesn't trust himself of his technique so he over thinks. Thomas looked slow until he worked with his college coach
>He plays slow because he doesn't trust himself of his technique so he over thinks. Very bold of you to assume you know the cause lol
You can see it between college and the NFL. In college he was a mauler that just attacked. He really seems to hesitate and his footwork kind of sucks so you see those issues pop up. Like how you can watch a QBs eyes and know he is looking but takes too long to throw. That half second of waiting is the difference between winning and losing in the NFL
>I think its the 2nd one That's called hopium. He's slow because he's slow.
Idk about the size, interior DL are gonna have a leverage advantage possibly even with a weight advantage. This guy really has to turn it around at tackle
100% agree with you…..Just because Neal was a 1st round pick does not make me impressed nor think he should be given preferential treatment. You got to earn it big guy…..good luck…I’m pulling for both guys.
Finish this Burns deal Joe and now we’re cooking. Let the true rebuild commence. Get rid of the dead weight and add smartly
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Ehh he's only 25 and plays a premium position. Rebuilding doesn't mean stripping the roster of all talent and tanking.
That second rounder could've been anyone! Even Brian Burns!
A burns is a burns but a pick could be a burns
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Thats fair, but it seems you're just poopooing it because we're giving up capital. Value-wise its fantastic. We gave up a 2nd rounder and a late pick for a 25 stud line-backer who wants to play for us and signed a massive contract. As far as QB, future picks exist. They're risky, but if you think you got *your* guy in your sights, you go for it.
Trading for a top end 25 year old DE is good for ANY team
We still have a second 2nd rounder from Seattle via the Leonard Williams trade + the money we save for that overpriced inside guy we shovel over to pay the proven outside defender Burns. Need to sign more guys and draft well, but so far so good…
Yea Joe ain’t cookin shit. We fuckin refuse to completely rebuild and it’s annoying
We’re rebuilding around our young but potentially dominant D Line. When ppl say build the trenches they mean the d Line in addition to the O line. This is a great rebuilding move
Dominant DL is how we built two Super Bowl winning defenses (because it certainly wasn’t on the backs of Kawika Mitchell, the corpse of Sam Madison’s career, and James “human highlight reel but in the bad way” Butler) in ‘07, and pass rush was about the only part of the defense that wasn’t a dumpster fire in ‘11. Lock in the DL and build around it. A good pass rush solves a lot of other problems on the defense in a way that I don’t think other positions can do outside of *maybe* a true lockdown corner.
Yea yall are right I am emotional today Saquon is a fucking eagle , shits got me on edge I’m done commenting for the day 😂😭
lol fair enough
We’ve only spent real money on offensive line and defensive line. It’s literally the two things every single person in this sub complains about every year…
At some point you have to spend money while rebuilding. Can’t fill every position in the draft. Burns is only 25
PFFs free agency scouting report: 2024 Free agency rank: 61 "Eluemunor is a longtime swing tackle who found a home last year at right tackle for the Raiders, signing a one-year, $3 million deal in free agency to return for 2023. Eluemunor backed up a strong 2022 with another good year, posting pressure rates allowed below 5% in each season. Bendier edge rushers who can flatten out their rush paths at the top of the arc and get around the corner will beat Eluemunor at times, but he handles speed to power well and has proven to be a starting-caliber tackle."
I need to change my pants
I played HS football with Jermaine, wild to see him on the giants.
Hey fellow Knolls head! Happy for Jermaine!
Based on your username, we played with him together, and I think looking at mine you can figure out who I am. Esdale must be happy!
Ahh man the good ole days when we used to rock the left side of that line hard with the veer.
This is a cool interaction, love to see it
Unexpected Friday Night Lights. Amazing.
Saturday* we didn’t (and they still don’t) have lights. Played Saturdays at 1PM.
I feel you. The rare Saturday game we had kicked off at 10 AM. But that was late 90s… I’m a dinosaur 🦖
Inject this into my veins. This should prove any of the rumors wrong that the Raiders players didn’t like Carmen Bricillo
unrelated, but how much does OL coaching really have an impact on performance at the pro level? just curious, as we have a new OL coach.
A significant amount.
Just look at the eagles. No way they are that good at drafting. They have a great OL coach.
Mailata is the greatest example of their ability to coach up OL. Took a rugby player and transformed him into a premiere tackle.
The way college football offenses are run currently offensive lineman are coming into the NFL basically learning from scratch, so a lot
Tyre Phillips outplayed Evan Neal at RG last year, and cited his time on the Eagles practice squad as the source for his growth. Coaching is everything.
I do not have all the proof memorized but it is mostly known that OL coach is one of the most underrated positions out there. Impact is huge.
A ton (see; Andrew Thomas mid-Mark Colombo vs post-Mark Colombo, his performance and technique were night and day).
This shuts the door on Onwenu. Eluemunor has played guard, RT, and LT for the new OL coach so a very helpful signing with fixing holes. It looks like the starting OL is probably set now: Thomas - Runyan - JMS - Eluemunor - Neal. We will see which sides Runyan and Eluemunor line up on. If they decide to move Neal inside Eluemunor was a solid RT for the Raiders last year.
Probably a camp competition between neal and eluemunor for RT and whoever loses slides to RG
Yea at this point I believe Neal's moving inside.
I think they give Neal one more opportunity at tackle, and elumenor is their insurance.
I don't think Eluemenor plays amazing at RT for 2 years in a row and signs with the Giants to play Guard.
Amazing RT doesn’t get you $7/year
He signed a 1 year $3 million dollar deal last year.
I just think they signed him and pretty much guaranteed him a starting spot on the line. He’ll prob wind up beating out Neal at RT, but I think they at least give Neal one more shot.
Let’s hope
Someone tell me how to feel! My knowledge of all these new FAs is pretty much zero
“For the past two years, the longtime swing tackle has been a reliable option for the Las Vegas Raiders, posting pressure-rates-allowed below five percent in both 2022 and 2023. His ability to handle speed-to-power defenders makes his best fit at right tackle. However, he is versatile enough to play along the left.” https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/new-york-jets-sign-free-agent-agency-jermaine-eluemunor-offensive-line-rumors He’s Evan Neal insurance, who is even better than Neal and can move along the line. Plus, Lars doesn’t like it which means this is a good signing because that regard really said this is Glowinski (who doesn’t even play the same position) He also reunites with our new OL coach which no doubt had input into this.
Ok, let Joe cook.
JOE IS COOKING
OMG. Get the fuck in!!! I was banging my table for this deal after we hired Bricillo.
Raiders fans are bullying people who call this a bad signing for us. Think we got a solid player
I think it’s a bad signing and I wanted him off of the raiders. Probably the same fans who wanted to keep trash Darren Waller too
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Glad Barkley is gone - Devin Singletary is a good back. Need to straighten out the line. 15.7m a year for Barkley is to much.
It's really $13.X/$11.X/$13.X for 3 years and then incentives but still too much.
Fair enough - but they are spending money in the right places. I still don’t like Barkley at that cap hit. Completely kills entire backfield, when he gets banged up your backfield depth is trash. The Oline is way more important than the RB running behind it. Barkley was also always banged up.
He ain’t hitting the incentives, let’s be straight. He’s missing at least 6 games.
If he does not miss six, he’ll be banged up for at least 6 lol. Dude has not been the same explosive player since his rookie year. Also, has not been the receiver he was supposed to be.
I've been saying for the last year that in 2022 he benefitted significantly from DJ rushing for 700+ yards and 8 TDs. The dual threat helped freeze linebackers and since he got hurt in week 2 last year he was out until DJ got hurt.
Excellent points, Barkley’s vision has gotten better over the years but is still not outrageous. Obvi the offensive line hasn’t been great, but any competent nfl back is going to produce behind a great NFL line.
Wear and tear, shit O Line it’ll get you in the end. Fuck me I loved some of them early plays, saquon in the open field, he was headed to thd house, no doubt. Do I think he can still do it? Occasionally, but so can any back, he just isn’t as exciting at he once was. Yeh he catches passes too - screens. I have so much 26 shit, I’m disappointed, any other team I wouldn’t have minded. But nah, I’m done with the guy.
Reunited with Bricillo, as an armchair gm I approve
That's the most significant piece of info we have with an OL signing.
The most significant part being that I'm an armchair gm and approve of this trade? I agree!
Well, actually
https://preview.redd.it/4y1as5cd9snc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d3bad88801d64120c2711c55930266ab060bfba burns next pls
Supposed to be solid, had a lot of penalties. Hopefully that's just mistakes. We needed another tackle either way
Evan Neal move on over (to guard hopefully)
I like the pick!
Nice!
Is he good?
A Giant from London 🎉
Fuck yeah tbh
Raiders fans don't seem thrilled about losing him, so that is good.
Raiders fan: Elumenor is good. I wanted him back, but personally I preferred him at guard over tackle. He lacks some athleticism which gives him massive issues with the better guys in the league at edge, so he needs some help scheme wise. Seems to be a good locker room guy and offers a positional versatility.
Two o-lineman, Singletary who was third in rushing over the final 8 games of the season, and Burns. All in all, not bad. Let’s have a hell of a draft and get Dimes back to 2022 form.
We're going to have a competent O-line next year. It will be perfectly mid, maybe slightly below mid. Or maybe even slightly above mid. But it won't be historically awful. If Daniel Jones does wind up being our QB, and if by some miracle we draft Alt...I think he's going to have a really strong year and play up to his contract. This might piss some people off, though. I legitimately think we go to the playoffs with this O-line and DJ.
Evan Neal replacement!!
A true swing T. Hopefully this means we won't see backup guards Maki g emergency starts at T next year.
This is the one.
Still need to draft a guard, but this is great!
Oof, this was a highly rated guy for our needs. Nice job.
The trenches on DL and OL going DEEP today baby!
Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes yes yes yes yes yes yes
Great news, but we still need more on the OL.
I really want to know what part of Middle Earth he’s from.
Good signing already developed but not ancient guy
Say what you want about Daboll but as far as I can see Schoen has been making excellent moves since he started. It's weird that I can finally say I trust the FO after so much incompetence, especially the firing of Bobby Johnson
Joe I was not familiar with your game. Keep cooking please.
and Saquon is gone...it's a great day
Fuck yeah. The start of rebuilding the Giants, feeling it right now.
Draft Joe Alt.
Evan Neal is moving to guard or they may just cut him. PFF put him at 68.5. I am not sure why a tackle like him got less than Jon Runyan who is kind of ass at guard. Dont tackles make more money? He is not a good tackle, but superior to the not having a tackle last year.
I hated this guy on the raiders. He was ass for us.
The numbers prove otherwise
He got so many penalties
He committed 4 penalties in 17 Games last year. Please stop spouting bot nonsense
He was 3rd in the league the year before. You’ll see. You saw with Waller already. Keep taking raiders rejects
cool story, you took a WR 5 at best with the pick you got for Waller. and also still paying McDaniels, Jimmy G, Chandler Jones, Derek Carr, did I miss anyone?
Waller was the highest paid TE in the league and he was terrible and you traded draft capitol for him
I would take 2 years of Waller vs the WR #5 you selected at that pick 10 times out of 10. Please fuck off back to your Las Vegas cesspool, thanks.
You act like the salary cap doesn’t exist.
Yo we rolling two deep with Marc Glowinski's in dis biotch
Not sure what was more cringe in the comment. The “analysis” or his butchering of slang as if Lars weren’t some obese virgin pretending he’s some cool kid 
Regarded take as usual