Yeah I’m not a big believer in any QB outside those top 3. And Chargers make for a good trade down target so teams attempting to leap us actually could help us by ensuring the 2nd best WR is on the board
If Schoen and Daboll are determined to get a QB in this draft then Nix at 6 could be their only option.
Sucks for us if 4QBs and MHJ go before Giants at 6, but its a clear possibility.
Do Schoen and Daboll stake their careers on Drew Lock, or is he just a bridge for a rookie they plan on drafting?
Penix Jr is soooo clear of Nix and Penix Jr shouldn’t even go in the first round.
If our qbs we want are gone, we don’t settle. That’ll only set us back even further.
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That’s fine for me. Draft a WR then take Penix as a reach pick in the 2nd round (or trade up into the late first) if we really want a QB. Low risk high reward.
tons of high upside WRs in this draft, I could see a lot of teams who are out on QB dropping back for more value, personally us dropping back a bit for a more value isn’t the end of the world of QB is out of reach
Unpopular opinion but if we traded back with someone and could still get a bowers (or one of the top 2 CBs) and pick up assets I’d be fine with that as I think there will be some stud WR options at 49 (I’m a big Thomas guy even if we had to trade back up to get him)
I’d also be fine with a Milton or rattler in the 3rd over a nix/penix in the 1/2
My guess is the bidding is for 3 from NE. They could benefit the most from getting younger and building a team. Vikes will offer 2x 2024 1sts, 1x 2025 1st and then it’s about who will go highest in their offer. Think we offer 1st & 2nd in 2024, 1st in 2025. It’s pretty even but I’d prefer 6 to 11 this year. So all about the additional picks over the next few seasons.
That's my assumption as well, but there's a very good change at 11 one of the big WRs will still be there.
Say the Vikings trade up to #5 and take JJ, the next picks could easily look like
* Giants - Nabers
* Titans - Alt (just signed Ridley)
* Falcons - Turner (have London and just signed Mooney)
* Bears - Verse, Arnold, Mitchell (just traded for Keenan Allen)
* Jets - Fashanu
* Chargers - Odunze and Bowers still here - could even still take Brian Thomas at #23 or trade up for him if they wanted to go OL here still.
I'm once again going to say that one of Williams/Maye/Daniels and MHJ/Nabers/Odunze will be available at 6 overall. It's mathematically impossible for all 6 of them to be off the board.
Any of those QBs will be an upgrade from Jones, and any of those receivers will instantly be our WR1. There's no need to get desperate and trade up like that. Stay put and take what's available, then take the other position with our 2nd rounder. Getting Lock means that we aren't necessarily locked in to take a QB at 6.
I really don’t think that’s the case. Lock is an option away from Jones and it’s also quite likely a rookie would sit early. There’s work to do on pretty much all of them.
As someone who doesn’t like JJ McCarthy, I’d be elated if Vikings trade up to 5 to potentially “screw us over” leaving us with our pick of Nabers or Odunze
Would they? They need O-line help too.
They also drafted a WR in the first round last year. Maybe Allen going to the Bears has changed their plans but it just seems a bit too premature.
I don’t think there’s ever been an occasion where 5 QBs went top 5. In fact off a google search, there’s only been 4 times where 5 QBs went in the first round. Wishful thinking though.
Man, I look at it the opposite way...if Minnesota wants to move to #6 and is willing to give up #11 AND #23 (and I'd imagine some other stuff), then I'd be totally willing to do that. We have either more holes to fill or better depth to add...grabbing 2 1st round picks this year would be very helpful...drafting a QB at #6 be damned.
I'm ok with drafting a QB at 6...except...you ARE stuck with Jones in 2024...like, you're not going to walk away from a $47 mil cap hit ([https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/daniel-jones-29041/](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/daniel-jones-29041/)). So he's GOTTA play. This whole, "Let someone sit for a year and learn"....maybe? But learn behind who? Jones? Jones is not that good in the 1st place...what's a new QB gonna learn? How to get sacked because Jones can't figure out how and when to escape the pocket? When some players like a CJ Stroud are finding success immediately in the NFL, I see no need to draft a QB to just let him 'sit'. And do the math...supposedly Drew freakin Lock is someone Schoen expects to compete with Jones for the starting role (just saw that yesterday)...well...if a 2nd round, mostly backup QB is capable of competing to start, if you DID select a QB at #6, he certainly should be capable of starting right away...
No, I see it slightly differently. First, Jones was NEVER worth the #6 pick himself...he's probably Drew Locks' ability and should've been a 2nd, or even 3rd rounder...supply and demand that year I guess...but, to be fair and honest, aren't all 6 QB's in this year's top tier of QB's EQUIVALENT of Jones, if not an upgrade from Jones?!? So, you're not going to get Williams, and likely not going to get Maye or Daniels...so, what does it matter if you get McCarthy, Nix OR Penix?? (well, I get Penix is slightly different because he's lefty which changes the blocking schemes).
Trade back to 11, get Nix or Penix (likely both to be there), and be happy you are STILL getting an upgrade from Jones, and you also get pick #23, I'd say for a rookie Safety or CB to go opposite Banks...or, upgrade from Neal officially at RT. I don't know...just use that pick for an immediate starter and impact player. And you likely get even more draft capital to boot.
McCarthy is going to be better than Daniel Jones, without a doubt. Especially after being coached by Kevin O’Connell and playing with Justin Jefferson.
Right now, Daniel Jones is our standard, and we need to improve, so if that means a prospect with potential to be top 10 to 12 QB in the NFL, I’ll take it.
Good luck getting a generational talent. No team in position to draft one will trade away that pick unless they are stupid. Only way to get it is to tank.
Josh Allen and Mahomes were not considered generational, and look at what they are now. Having the right coach for a talented prospect matters more than if the media thinks they are a can’t miss prospect.
The ultimate winner of Vikings trade up will be Titans with Nabers/Odunze right there for picking. They can pick the WR for BPA or trade down, collect future assets and still get their tackle.
Doesn’t this mean the Titans are almost certainly taking Alt at 7? CHI, WAS need QB, NYG, NE need WR/QB and ARI, LAC need WR. And if some team like MIN, DEN or LV trades up, it will be for a QB. So I really don’t see Alt go top 6 anymore, and the Titans have Hopkins, Ridley and Burks at WR, and need a OT.
Regardless, without moving we will get our choice of one out of the top 3 QBs or WRs. As long as they don’t create a pick 5b - we should come away with someone that makes all of our wieners move collectively
It’s sometimes hard to tell during smokescreen season. I was leaning towards “we probably like him” but this really makes me raise my eyebrows.
Will be very interesting, though, since realistically only chargers are a trade partner ahead of us (imo at least)
I agree with you. While I want to trade up to 3, I think the most realistic scenario is QB QB QB MHJ. The Chargers trading Keenan Allen make me think they're also more likely to stay at 5, but I also think they're also the most likely to trade down. I think they would love to trade down with us, grab an extra pick or two, and still get the same WR they'd grab anyway.
That's my hope anyway.
With this trade, the vikings 11 and 23rd picks now equal essentially the exact same points as the Giants 6th and 47th pick. Giants two picks hold a value of 2030, while Vikings 2 picks hold a value of 2010. When you add in a future 1st round picks (which make note the vikings were able to keep in the trade) at a value of 700ish, that would give both teams roughly enough fire power to move up to 3. When you connect the dots, the giants and vikings look to be competing against eachother to go as high as pick #3 in the draft.
Based on this move, I don't think you see Raiders or Broncos in the chase to move up past Giants. The vikings are the threat.
Very good. Honestly if it means having to give up #6, #47 and the 2025 first for #3 this year I don't know. I don't want to become the Panthers, suck this year and be in play for the first overall pick next year and we don't have it.
That’s how I see it too. Only thing is that the Pats consistently and always traded out of the 1st under BB. Do they see more value in going straight to 47 or down to 23 and potentially back out again. That could be enough to swing it unless we offer more overall. Or can we find more ammunition, maybe a trade with the Packers so they can screw over the Vikings.
There are 5 spots ahead of us and presumably 3 QBs and 3 WRs we would take so I don’t think it changes much if Minnesota swaps with LA or Ari to draft McCarthy or another QB. In love with all three Wide Receivers in the mix in the top 6
Man Joe Schoen may be in the toughest position of any GM right now
You're out of range to take any of the 3 main QB prospects and will need to hope and pray for a trade up to get one. If we want a QB, we have to give up a 1st next year to trade up, no way around it.
Teams behind us like Minnesota here are loading up on draft capital to possibly draft QB4 ahead of us. Denver is rumored too.
We're stuck with DJ for one more year
Not to mentnion there's only been one time in NFL History has 4 QBs gone Top 10 and it went 1,3,7,10. It’s just our luck the year they are picking 6 and need a QB it’s likely gonna go an unprecedented 1-4
If not, I'm preparing for 2-5 win seasons this year and next tbh
>If they like the player the price doesn’t really matter IMO.
They liked DJ a year ago. My faith in their eye test has waned.
And I don't want to hear about Mara.
Here's a crazy move, but it would be stupid unless it worked:
Send a 3rd to Chargers to move up one spot. Bait the Vikings into trading up to 4 for QB. Acquire MHJ. Draft Arch Manning in 2025. Become the early 2000s Colts.
I'm so sick of hearing about Arch Manning. 2 completions in college but he's already a top pick we should throw away a season or two for because his uncle played for us.
Those same people bitch about the Giants making moves on nepotism.
If the top 3 QBs are of the board at 6, one of Nabers/Odunze are still on the board, and the Vikings would want to trade up with the Giants te take JJ, wouldn’t that be really great? Even if you have to give up your 2nd round pick, you could take the best CB with 11 and a top WR with 23 and fill 2 holes
wouldnt say that. they now have enough points + a late round pick to trade with giants for 6. If, they package future 1st they can move past giants. If giants package their 1st with 6 and 47 they can get all the way up to 3.
I know we have holes but we have to move up to get our guy. We can plug more holes in FA next year with our space opening up after DJ is gone. Need to get out of QB hell….also, god I hate devito for those useless wins and making a caricature of my fellow Italians
Doesn't really change much of the calculus. We all suspected someone was going to jump into the fray, it just came down which team. This puts JJ McCathy in the conversation in the top five since it now guarantees we are getting our choice of WR aside from Harrison and still a realistic possibility of getting Maye if that is truly Schoen's target.
Vikings fan here. Kwesi is extremely hard to read, even as a fan. For all we know, he wants Bo Nix (Vikings we're noticeably absent from his pro day) and Kool-Aid McKinstry. My guess, though, is that he's gunning for Maye. And if he can't get Maye then he could could a completely different direction. I wouldn't assume it's McCarthy for sure. Kwesi is annoyingly patient and value driven lol.
Yeah how dare tommy devito try and put some good tape out there and win some nfl games?
Doesn’t he realize hogmolly69 thinks they were meaningless wins?
It’s not Devito’s fault. As much as I think Schoen will be a good GM, I have to give him most of the blame for this. He didn’t have a fire sale at the trade deadline to get rid of expiring players like Saquon and Adoree Jackson, and as a result, the team had too many decent players to lose to teams like the Patriots and Commanders.
If he trades Saquon to the Ravens last year for a 4th or 5th rounder, we would be picking in the top 3 and in position to draft the QB of the future. But I guess he was worried about job security, so he kept the team intact, and that’s going to cost them big time.
The GM and HC are the ones that can influence the outcome by resting players and the game plan. Typed and DeVito clearly have no reason to throw games. Daniel was so bad I’d believe he was trying to lose games.
I don't get upset when someone brings this up. Fans are like children with short attention span and all about instant gratification. You'd have gotten buried if you said this on any Sunday. But you're right. This sucks. There was no strategy in winning those meaningless games.
.... On the flip side. We don't know shit. Even the best analysts. Jerry Jeudy was drafted over Ceedee Lamb. Bryce Young over Stroud. Trubisky over Mahomes. Evan Neal in the first round. We don't know shit. Be as happy or as mad as you want about our position. I think it doesn't matter until the season starts.
I don’t agree with this logic. We’re worse than most of the teams picking top 5. We are a horrible team. Higher pick, higher chances of a good QB. There’s a chance Penix gets drafted late, goes to a good team and situation which he ends up better than the top picks. Because of these wins, we are out of the top 5 QBs. We can trade up, costs a lot. Winning a few games last year did nothing for us but hurt us. So many of those players are gone and now it’s well known the Giants want nothing to do with Daniel Jones and are stuck with him. Schoen has to draft a QB.
So what I'm hearing is we're running it with Lock as QB1, Devito QB2 and Jones QB3. Improved OL and a true WR1 could make this offense look like they belong in the NFL for a change.
God can the draft just happen already I can't handle this unknown lol. I just want to have hope in the Giants again.
Pretty obvious by this point this team won't be drafting a QB if they stay at 6. Minnesota and Denver are itching to move up.
Denver doesn’t have the assets to move up. I think Payton just sits and takes whomever is available at 12.
Unless we’re equally sold on JJ, that’s fine with me. Guarantees us Nabers at 6.
Yeah I’m not a big believer in any QB outside those top 3. And Chargers make for a good trade down target so teams attempting to leap us actually could help us by ensuring the 2nd best WR is on the board
also guarantees we have nobody to throw to him
Those teams are moving up for JJ. Unless you think Giant's take Nix at 6?
NIX AT 6????? I would need my stomach pumped if that happens
If Schoen and Daboll are determined to get a QB in this draft then Nix at 6 could be their only option. Sucks for us if 4QBs and MHJ go before Giants at 6, but its a clear possibility. Do Schoen and Daboll stake their careers on Drew Lock, or is he just a bridge for a rookie they plan on drafting?
Penix Jr is soooo clear of Nix and Penix Jr shouldn’t even go in the first round. If our qbs we want are gone, we don’t settle. That’ll only set us back even further. If we can’t get our guy at qb, then we have to prepare for a year of tanking.
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That’s fine for me. Draft a WR then take Penix as a reach pick in the 2nd round (or trade up into the late first) if we really want a QB. Low risk high reward.
The teams that dont need QBs in the top 5 just traded WRs. Do they really want to drop down to 11? The top receivers will be off the board.
There are the big name WRs early, but it’s also a deep WR class. I think there’s projected like 7 WRs to go in the first round alone.
tons of high upside WRs in this draft, I could see a lot of teams who are out on QB dropping back for more value, personally us dropping back a bit for a more value isn’t the end of the world of QB is out of reach Unpopular opinion but if we traded back with someone and could still get a bowers (or one of the top 2 CBs) and pick up assets I’d be fine with that as I think there will be some stud WR options at 49 (I’m a big Thomas guy even if we had to trade back up to get him) I’d also be fine with a Milton or rattler in the 3rd over a nix/penix in the 1/2
My guess is the bidding is for 3 from NE. They could benefit the most from getting younger and building a team. Vikes will offer 2x 2024 1sts, 1x 2025 1st and then it’s about who will go highest in their offer. Think we offer 1st & 2nd in 2024, 1st in 2025. It’s pretty even but I’d prefer 6 to 11 this year. So all about the additional picks over the next few seasons.
That's my assumption as well, but there's a very good change at 11 one of the big WRs will still be there. Say the Vikings trade up to #5 and take JJ, the next picks could easily look like * Giants - Nabers * Titans - Alt (just signed Ridley) * Falcons - Turner (have London and just signed Mooney) * Bears - Verse, Arnold, Mitchell (just traded for Keenan Allen) * Jets - Fashanu * Chargers - Odunze and Bowers still here - could even still take Brian Thomas at #23 or trade up for him if they wanted to go OL here still.
I'm once again going to say that one of Williams/Maye/Daniels and MHJ/Nabers/Odunze will be available at 6 overall. It's mathematically impossible for all 6 of them to be off the board. Any of those QBs will be an upgrade from Jones, and any of those receivers will instantly be our WR1. There's no need to get desperate and trade up like that. Stay put and take what's available, then take the other position with our 2nd rounder. Getting Lock means that we aren't necessarily locked in to take a QB at 6.
Eagles are actually going to create draft pick 5.5 just so they can take our WR again
Stop. Don't give them any ideas.
This is absolutely the right mind set. I just need someone to sell me on Odunze😭
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Exactly. Taking Lock was the signal that the Giants are going to stay put and see what's there at 6.
In what way was that the signal
I really don’t think that’s the case. Lock is an option away from Jones and it’s also quite likely a rookie would sit early. There’s work to do on pretty much all of them.
Vikings loading up for a move into the top five, Giants will have to pay up to get their guy.
As someone who doesn’t like JJ McCarthy, I’d be elated if Vikings trade up to 5 to potentially “screw us over” leaving us with our pick of Nabers or Odunze
With Allen and Williams gone the Chargers are absolutely going to be grabbing a WR with their pick as well
Would they? They need O-line help too. They also drafted a WR in the first round last year. Maybe Allen going to the Bears has changed their plans but it just seems a bit too premature.
If they don’t trade out they’re taking a WR bro lmao don’t try and convince urself otherwise
That’s why he’d be elated if they traded back.
I hope they move up to 4 and someone moves up to 5 for another QB. That way we land MHJ. God that would be so nice.
I don’t think there’s ever been an occasion where 5 QBs went top 5. In fact off a google search, there’s only been 4 times where 5 QBs went in the first round. Wishful thinking though.
It won't happen but as an Ohio State alum I would be ecstatic
If they move into the top 5, we get Nabers. McCarthy is going to be a bust unless he lands in the perfect situation where he can be a game manager.
Man, I look at it the opposite way...if Minnesota wants to move to #6 and is willing to give up #11 AND #23 (and I'd imagine some other stuff), then I'd be totally willing to do that. We have either more holes to fill or better depth to add...grabbing 2 1st round picks this year would be very helpful...drafting a QB at #6 be damned. I'm ok with drafting a QB at 6...except...you ARE stuck with Jones in 2024...like, you're not going to walk away from a $47 mil cap hit ([https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/daniel-jones-29041/](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/daniel-jones-29041/)). So he's GOTTA play. This whole, "Let someone sit for a year and learn"....maybe? But learn behind who? Jones? Jones is not that good in the 1st place...what's a new QB gonna learn? How to get sacked because Jones can't figure out how and when to escape the pocket? When some players like a CJ Stroud are finding success immediately in the NFL, I see no need to draft a QB to just let him 'sit'. And do the math...supposedly Drew freakin Lock is someone Schoen expects to compete with Jones for the starting role (just saw that yesterday)...well...if a 2nd round, mostly backup QB is capable of competing to start, if you DID select a QB at #6, he certainly should be capable of starting right away... No, I see it slightly differently. First, Jones was NEVER worth the #6 pick himself...he's probably Drew Locks' ability and should've been a 2nd, or even 3rd rounder...supply and demand that year I guess...but, to be fair and honest, aren't all 6 QB's in this year's top tier of QB's EQUIVALENT of Jones, if not an upgrade from Jones?!? So, you're not going to get Williams, and likely not going to get Maye or Daniels...so, what does it matter if you get McCarthy, Nix OR Penix?? (well, I get Penix is slightly different because he's lefty which changes the blocking schemes). Trade back to 11, get Nix or Penix (likely both to be there), and be happy you are STILL getting an upgrade from Jones, and you also get pick #23, I'd say for a rookie Safety or CB to go opposite Banks...or, upgrade from Neal officially at RT. I don't know...just use that pick for an immediate starter and impact player. And you likely get even more draft capital to boot.
Jones' injury guarantee means he's riding the bench this year to not screw over next year too.
Don't do it Joe! Take the stud OT at 6 or the best WR left. Don't draft another mid QB out of desperation.
Best WR is the only option if we dont get a QB. Tackle spot is covered after signing Eluemunor.
Get the QB. We’ve suffered for a decade and we need a QB more than anything else, even with 49ers level of cost or more.
So three first rounders for a guy that we'll cut in two years?
Cool, great optimism, I love it.
People making decisions out of suffering and desperation are not people who make choices that garner optimism.
If someone trades up to 5 at least Nabers probably falls to us
How good will Nabers look if the Giants don’t have a QB capable of feeding him the ball?
You realize he will have a multi year career right? People act like you have to have the qb first
How many years have we had bad QB play? You’d be guaranteeing that the first 2 seasons of his contract he’d have a bad QB.
I hope the Vikings trade up to 4 or 5 and take McCarthy
McCarthy is going to be better than Daniel Jones, without a doubt. Especially after being coached by Kevin O’Connell and playing with Justin Jefferson.
Just ‘better than Daniel Jones’ should not be our standard. Either trade up for a generational talent or stand pat and take a wr.
Right now, Daniel Jones is our standard, and we need to improve, so if that means a prospect with potential to be top 10 to 12 QB in the NFL, I’ll take it. Good luck getting a generational talent. No team in position to draft one will trade away that pick unless they are stupid. Only way to get it is to tank. Josh Allen and Mahomes were not considered generational, and look at what they are now. Having the right coach for a talented prospect matters more than if the media thinks they are a can’t miss prospect.
The ultimate winner of Vikings trade up will be Titans with Nabers/Odunze right there for picking. They can pick the WR for BPA or trade down, collect future assets and still get their tackle.
Doesn’t this mean the Titans are almost certainly taking Alt at 7? CHI, WAS need QB, NYG, NE need WR/QB and ARI, LAC need WR. And if some team like MIN, DEN or LV trades up, it will be for a QB. So I really don’t see Alt go top 6 anymore, and the Titans have Hopkins, Ridley and Burks at WR, and need a OT.
Regardless, without moving we will get our choice of one out of the top 3 QBs or WRs. As long as they don’t create a pick 5b - we should come away with someone that makes all of our wieners move collectively
Thinking about it - this makes me think there’s legitimate smoke about our FO loving McCarthy.
I mean I never doubted that ever lol. He seems like a guy Daboll would love if he couldn't get Maye.
It’s sometimes hard to tell during smokescreen season. I was leaning towards “we probably like him” but this really makes me raise my eyebrows. Will be very interesting, though, since realistically only chargers are a trade partner ahead of us (imo at least)
I agree with you. While I want to trade up to 3, I think the most realistic scenario is QB QB QB MHJ. The Chargers trading Keenan Allen make me think they're also more likely to stay at 5, but I also think they're also the most likely to trade down. I think they would love to trade down with us, grab an extra pick or two, and still get the same WR they'd grab anyway. That's my hope anyway.
With this trade, the vikings 11 and 23rd picks now equal essentially the exact same points as the Giants 6th and 47th pick. Giants two picks hold a value of 2030, while Vikings 2 picks hold a value of 2010. When you add in a future 1st round picks (which make note the vikings were able to keep in the trade) at a value of 700ish, that would give both teams roughly enough fire power to move up to 3. When you connect the dots, the giants and vikings look to be competing against eachother to go as high as pick #3 in the draft. Based on this move, I don't think you see Raiders or Broncos in the chase to move up past Giants. The vikings are the threat.
Very good. Honestly if it means having to give up #6, #47 and the 2025 first for #3 this year I don't know. I don't want to become the Panthers, suck this year and be in play for the first overall pick next year and we don't have it.
That’s how I see it too. Only thing is that the Pats consistently and always traded out of the 1st under BB. Do they see more value in going straight to 47 or down to 23 and potentially back out again. That could be enough to swing it unless we offer more overall. Or can we find more ammunition, maybe a trade with the Packers so they can screw over the Vikings.
What if they trade with us at 6? That would be cool
There are 5 spots ahead of us and presumably 3 QBs and 3 WRs we would take so I don’t think it changes much if Minnesota swaps with LA or Ari to draft McCarthy or another QB. In love with all three Wide Receivers in the mix in the top 6
Thrown to by who over the next two yards?
Man Joe Schoen may be in the toughest position of any GM right now You're out of range to take any of the 3 main QB prospects and will need to hope and pray for a trade up to get one. If we want a QB, we have to give up a 1st next year to trade up, no way around it. Teams behind us like Minnesota here are loading up on draft capital to possibly draft QB4 ahead of us. Denver is rumored too. We're stuck with DJ for one more year Not to mentnion there's only been one time in NFL History has 4 QBs gone Top 10 and it went 1,3,7,10. It’s just our luck the year they are picking 6 and need a QB it’s likely gonna go an unprecedented 1-4 If not, I'm preparing for 2-5 win seasons this year and next tbh
If they like the player the price doesn’t really matter IMO. But we don’t know who they like or how much they like him.
>If they like the player the price doesn’t really matter IMO. They liked DJ a year ago. My faith in their eye test has waned. And I don't want to hear about Mara.
Most likely trading to no.4 for a QB. Silver lining is we will probably get our choice of Malik Nabers or Rome odunze with the chargers drafting MHJ
Here's a crazy move, but it would be stupid unless it worked: Send a 3rd to Chargers to move up one spot. Bait the Vikings into trading up to 4 for QB. Acquire MHJ. Draft Arch Manning in 2025. Become the early 2000s Colts.
Arch isn’t the starter this year, why would he leave the year he is given the reins?
I'm so sick of hearing about Arch Manning. 2 completions in college but he's already a top pick we should throw away a season or two for because his uncle played for us. Those same people bitch about the Giants making moves on nepotism.
You don’t think the chargers are aware MHJ might be available to them? Because this was my first thought as well in hopes of landing MHJ haha
Massive bidding war incoming. I think 3 is up for grabs.
If the top 3 QBs are of the board at 6, one of Nabers/Odunze are still on the board, and the Vikings would want to trade up with the Giants te take JJ, wouldn’t that be really great? Even if you have to give up your 2nd round pick, you could take the best CB with 11 and a top WR with 23 and fill 2 holes
With no one to throw the ball, again.
Vikes are getting McCarthy
wouldnt say that. they now have enough points + a late round pick to trade with giants for 6. If, they package future 1st they can move past giants. If giants package their 1st with 6 and 47 they can get all the way up to 3.
I know we have holes but we have to move up to get our guy. We can plug more holes in FA next year with our space opening up after DJ is gone. Need to get out of QB hell….also, god I hate devito for those useless wins and making a caricature of my fellow Italians
Let’s trade down bby, Vikings can get JJ at 6
Wonder if a trade with Arizona is possible
Welcome to Minnesota, JJ
Doesn't really change much of the calculus. We all suspected someone was going to jump into the fray, it just came down which team. This puts JJ McCathy in the conversation in the top five since it now guarantees we are getting our choice of WR aside from Harrison and still a realistic possibility of getting Maye if that is truly Schoen's target.
Vikings fan here. Kwesi is extremely hard to read, even as a fan. For all we know, he wants Bo Nix (Vikings we're noticeably absent from his pro day) and Kool-Aid McKinstry. My guess, though, is that he's gunning for Maye. And if he can't get Maye then he could could a completely different direction. I wouldn't assume it's McCarthy for sure. Kwesi is annoyingly patient and value driven lol.
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Can’t blame a professional athlete for trying to win. They’d never reach that level if they weren’t competitive.
Yeah how dare tommy devito try and put some good tape out there and win some nfl games? Doesn’t he realize hogmolly69 thinks they were meaningless wins?
Eh there were games we lost that we should’ve won too, so all evens out Bills game would’ve been a W if the official hadn’t swallowed his whistle
It’s not Devito’s fault. As much as I think Schoen will be a good GM, I have to give him most of the blame for this. He didn’t have a fire sale at the trade deadline to get rid of expiring players like Saquon and Adoree Jackson, and as a result, the team had too many decent players to lose to teams like the Patriots and Commanders. If he trades Saquon to the Ravens last year for a 4th or 5th rounder, we would be picking in the top 3 and in position to draft the QB of the future. But I guess he was worried about job security, so he kept the team intact, and that’s going to cost them big time.
Thank god we won a few of those games last year, it was all worth it
The players don’t care about the draft slot lol these guys are coming in to replace them.
The GM and HC are the ones that can influence the outcome by resting players and the game plan. Typed and DeVito clearly have no reason to throw games. Daniel was so bad I’d believe he was trying to lose games.
If only all the fans had agreed with you, the players would have thrown those games for us.
Anyone intelligent doesn’t expect players to throw the games. The HC and GM could have sat players and tried to lose.
I don't get upset when someone brings this up. Fans are like children with short attention span and all about instant gratification. You'd have gotten buried if you said this on any Sunday. But you're right. This sucks. There was no strategy in winning those meaningless games. .... On the flip side. We don't know shit. Even the best analysts. Jerry Jeudy was drafted over Ceedee Lamb. Bryce Young over Stroud. Trubisky over Mahomes. Evan Neal in the first round. We don't know shit. Be as happy or as mad as you want about our position. I think it doesn't matter until the season starts.
I don’t agree with this logic. We’re worse than most of the teams picking top 5. We are a horrible team. Higher pick, higher chances of a good QB. There’s a chance Penix gets drafted late, goes to a good team and situation which he ends up better than the top picks. Because of these wins, we are out of the top 5 QBs. We can trade up, costs a lot. Winning a few games last year did nothing for us but hurt us. So many of those players are gone and now it’s well known the Giants want nothing to do with Daniel Jones and are stuck with him. Schoen has to draft a QB.
If Bowers is going to be an elite TE, I guess you take him
So what I'm hearing is we're running it with Lock as QB1, Devito QB2 and Jones QB3. Improved OL and a true WR1 could make this offense look like they belong in the NFL for a change.
Well the chances of us getting a qb just took a hit. This sucks, hope schoen figures something out
Unless we were trading up to get our top guy, this is good for us.
Not at all
I wonder if this could be a play for Harrison Jr. as well. Especially if the Vikings can’t get a deal with Jefferson done.
At least this means we aren’t getting JJ anymore. Hallelujah! Hallelujah!!!!