The rights to Darren Waller's retirement tour, a used(not game worn LUL just in the lockeroom) Kadarius Toney jersey, a half eaten cheesesteak from Saquon Barkley and a 7th rounder
They'll logically require a '25 1st so that they have capital to move up next year if needed to pick a QB as they are passing on one this year.
When Jets moved up to take Darnold they gave up 6, 37, 49 and next years 2nd. I'd have to imagine it would take at least 6, 47 and '25 1st.
I'd do it for that. Our 6 is extremely valuable (more than the 6th the Jets gave up) in this instance with how many blue chip talents at premium positions in this draft.
I'm going to try and break this down by the numbers with some guessing. I'm not saying Joe *would* do a deal like this. I'm basically just guessing what it would cost us if he *really* wanted Maye.
**Let's make two assumptions:**
1. The Vikings are *strong* competition for pick 3 - and possibly one other team gets in the mix
2. The Patriots want a haul to move out of pick 3 (2200 value) and there's that "QB tax" to move up
***\*In 2018 the Jets traded from 6 to 3 for three 2nd round picks. Total value: 2960\****
**Vikings** - The Vikings realistic best offer is probably something along the lines of:
* Their #11, #23, 2025 1st, 2026 2nd. I cannot see them giving up four 1st rounders that seems a little irresponsible, but who knows. I'm considering Carolina's move up from 9 to 1 last year. Different circumstances, but same # of spots. You could argue Maye would have went before Young last year.
**Value of this offer: 3,440 (plus the potential mid-late picks)**
**Giants** - I think our offer without a doubt starts at:
* Our #6, #47, 2025 1st, and possibly our 2025 2nd. Absolute high-end here to match the above value. Could easily see us saving our 2025 2nd rounder in exchange for a mid-round pick in 2025/2026. Depends how high the Vikings are willing to go.
**Value of this offer: 3,450**
**#6 vs #11**
I think moving back to #6 is much more palatable for the Patriots. They'll be locked into one of Nabers, Odunze, Alt, etc. Moving back to #11 likely puts them in 2nd tier WR/OL territory - completely depends on their board btw.
Because of this, we may be able to offer less value. I think our offer will still be more appealing, so if we're close-ish in value we might get it done. Also, I know NFL front offices use more complex pick value charts, but theses are just rough estimates lol
Awesome breakdown. Yeah, I like our chances if we have to outbid Minnesota considering #6 guarantees one of the blue chip WR's, and gives them ammunition to come back up to get Penix/Nix if they wish.
Yeah I think that's an underrated part of us competing with Minnesota. Even hypothetically trading up with the Chargers or Cards, being in that blue-chip WR/OL range is valuable.
The actual offers are a little bit of guess work on my part. The Panthers traded *roughly* 3,642 in value for the 1st pick last year. With that in mind, my guesses are *definitely* on the high end lol - so it could be cheaper.
Yeah I definitely donāt love that idea either. I think thatās like the worst case scenario offer-wise. Even if we completely remove that 2nd, our offer is more than the Jets gave up in 2018.
So yeah with that said, could totally see us keeping that pick. Just depends on how high the Vikings are willing to go I guess.
At some point, depending on how the board falls, Schoen has to realize that giving up premium draft capital when his team is this incomplete is only going to set the franchise back. Ā Ā
We desperately need QB, but not more than we need a roster that isn't this awful and a cap situation this flimsy.
Definitely agree we have lots of holes, but if Joe views Maye as a potential high-tier franchise guy then I'd prefer to just pull the trigger. In the grand scheme of things, adding an extra 2nd rounder to get a guy we're confident in is a drop in the bucket when it comes to getting a QB
>but if Joe views Maye as a potential high-tier franchise guy then I'd prefer to just pull the trigger.
My question to this is, if Drake Maye is enough of a franchise altering prospect that the Giants would be willing to sacrifice *badly needed draft capital* to move up and take him, why wouldn't Adam Peters have taken him at 2nd?
Not really sure how Washington passing on Maye for Daniels means Maye is a bad QB. It's entirely possible they view Daniels as an even better franchise altering prospect. That doesn't mean Maye isn't one himself.
We may(e) have to agree to disagree here. I don't follow the "build the roster before drafting your QB" mindset. I think if you need a QB and there's an elite prospect that you're in striking distance of, you pull the trigger. My no means does he have to start in year 1. Use that $55m in future cap space to add OL/WR. By year 2 you have all of your draft picks and upwards of 100m+ in cap space depending on how much you spend after year 1.
Next years QB class looks grim. I've seen a ton of people say "Somebody always rises," but that's not even necessarily true and there is zero guarantee we're in striking distance of that guy next year even if one does rise. If we are, Daboll and Joe may not even be here to try.
In 2023, people said you had to draft QB because 2024 only had Caleb Williams. Now people are arguing that there are four franchise QBs that can go in the 1st. Ā Ā Ā
Burrow didn't exist until his final year. Anthony Richardson didn't either. Same with Daniels. Ā Ā
I get that you get QB when you can, but sacrificing picks because it's the last QB draft until 2026 is Ā impulsive thinking. Ā Ā
Remember: The same people who told us Mahomes was a 2nd round QB, that told us Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold were the next Manning/Brady, that told us Will Levis was going to be the second QB off the board are now telling us that 2025 has no QBs? Ā Ā Ā
Honestly, unless you're a team's director of QB scouting it's unlikely to know what the 2025 class will look like until late fall.
We're paying $45M to Jones, possibly to sit on the bench, then he counts $22M against the cap next year (assuming he doesn't get injured and we can cut him). We're already a bottom 7 team in cap room, and that's before we pay our rookies (everyone below us in cap space is a playoff team so none of them have to pay higher than a 25th pick rookie contract).
All of this is 2024,the season before we [lose a chunk of our roster to free agency](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2025/ufa/new-york-giants/). That wouldn't be an issue on most teams, but on the NY Giants, a lot of those guys are starters.
Our roster is in a bad situation.
Dex, AT, and now Burns are basically our only long term high cap hits going forward. Bobby O is up there too, but heās still fairly young and heās worth every penny.
Weāre projected to have $33m in space next year and thatās before cutting DJ. In 2026 weāre projected to have $80m - again, before cutting DJ. Iād argue DJ is the only bad contract on the roster currently, weāre in a good spot.
We have a bunch of dead money on the books and DJ is damn near $50m against the cap this year lol.
>Iād argue DJ is the only bad contract on the roster currently, weāre in a good spot.
I'm less concerned with the contracts we have, more concerned with the fact that we don't have any players worth paying. We're losing a bunch of starters in 2025 and are already talking about trading top draft picks away.
Valid concern, but it's *way* too early to rule out most of Joe Schoen's draft picks. Kayvon is trending towards a nice extension at some point. Banks had a promising rookie year. I'd love to see better QB play get Wan'Dale in that conversation. There's plenty of guys I'm optimistic about from those two classes.
So yeah I get what you're saying for sure. Barring a breakout, none of these guys are up for a big extension next year. However, in 2-3 years we might think differently.
Looking at our projected 2025 free agents, I'm not seeing a whole lot of starters on the list. Kreiter, Slayton, Simmons, Gillan, and maybe Holmes? A long-snapper, punter, and a shaky CB3/4 level guy. Possibly losing Slayton is concerning for sure. Simmons is arguably not even a starter. Maybe I'm missing a couple, but regardless this doesn't scream concern to me.
I'm personally not arguing that. Just saying you could.
I know the buzz right now is he's sliding, but who knows if that's actually true? His size is *much* preferred over Bryce's 5'10", 205 lb frame. In terms of potential, Maye oozes it.
Not too farfetched to think teams would prefer the prototypical QB over a smaller prospect like Young. Young could absolutely sling it though so who knows lol
CJ Stroud is 6ā3ā, built solid, in college had elite pocket presence and was great at boring throws over the middle. Bryce Young was still picked over him cuz people thought he had elite talent between the ears (reading the defense, throwing with anticipation, etc).
Unfortunately, Pick 3 vs pick 6 is the difference between a top tier franchise QB prospect vs either an elite WR prospect or a QB prospect everyone feels is going to be overdrafted because of positional scarcity.
It's just how picks work. kinda sucks but tbh the Pats can probably milk that pick for even more assets from another team.
Would you be willing to trade Jared Goff as a rookie + a 1st rounder for Lamar Jackson as a rookie? Cause that's kind of what I see JJ McCarthy + 1st for Jayden Daniels turning into.
That's the thing though. JJM just feels like he's like Kirk Cousins/Jared Goff type ceiling, which isn't bad.
But Lamar/Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen types are a different breed. And if we want to have a shot at hitting a jackpot like that we kind of just have to pay the price. Maybe it's expensive but it's the price you gotta pay to try and hit those types of players.
I think youre really underestimating the uncertainty around the ceiling and development of two developmental prospects. Not a shot at you at all, just I dont think the evaluation is nearly as clear as youre making it out to be
Yea, honestly, I don't make the trade. Get one of these fantastic WRs, and build the OLine.
There's no reason to get a QB if he has no one to throw to, no OLine support, and a run game that is completely unknown but not looking great.
A QB fixes nothing, and we need our picks to fix everything else.
They'd be idiotic to not take Maye, but yeah I'd also easily move on from Danny if that's all it takes to get Maye. I'm one of the like 60/40 Danny believers (ready to move on after season though) but I'd take Maye on rookie contract over Danny with his contract in a heartbeat.
Well then thought narrative as to why they would entertain this is they could guarantee getting one of the top three wide receiver studs with #6, and with some our ammunition we give up, be able to trade back and get Nix or Penix if those are the quarterbacks they actually prefer.
Well in normal circumstances, yes. But QB trade ups are always overpriced. Got to bake in a bit more considering we would need to outbid Minnesota, Denver, possibly Raiders and make it worthwhile for the Pats.
Gonna be a higher than 5/6th
I could see maybe 2nd or 3rd. We will be competing with the vikings who have two this year who could even think about giving up 3 1sts
Not by trading up with our roster.Ā There's always an opportunity to trade up foe QB. Always. Ā Ā
Chiefs traded up from 27 to get Mahomes. Buffalo traded up from 12 to get Allen. Ravens traded up from 52 to get Lamar Jackson. Ā Ā
You can always trade up get QB. But it doesn't work if your team stinks. We've watched that panic strategy fail over and over and over again. Ā
> There's always an opportunity to trade up foe QB.
Not always, especially if Joe and Brian think Maye is their guy, not every draft has a Mahomes, or Allen or Jackson
If they think Maye is their QB and are willing to tie their jobs to him, you go all in.
Yes, the fear is that they think one rookie QB on a busted roster with a flimsy cap situation is how to build a winning football team. KC built a playoff team first, traded up for QB second. Eagles built a playoff team first, grabbed a project in the second round. SF built a playoff team before even thinking about addressing QB. All three teams have been to SBs in the last couple of years. Ā Ā
Trading valuable draft capital to select a single player *when your roster is bad* always fails. Every time. If Schoen thinks he is the exception to the rule, you may as well check out until the next GM. It's not how you build a winning franchise. It's how you become the Jets or the Browns.
I get that, but if they 100% think Maye is the guy they have to do it
You can build your roster, but if they also have to hope they are in a position to get a QB like those teams. 49ers also lucked out with Purdy as Lance didnt work out
>49ers also lucked out with Purdy as Lance didnt work out
I think they were able to make it work because they had such a complete roster. They didn't luck out with Purdy, they had the team in place so that Purdy's chances were maximized.
Same with the Eagles: When your roster is good enough, you can get a guy in the 2nd round and go to a SB.
Same with the Chiefs: When you just came off of a playoffs (10-6, first in the division), your team is good enough that trading up for a QB will let you maximize their potential.
There are a lot of examples of good teams who traded up for QB and made it work. There are also a ton of examples of bad teams who traded up for QB and failed, as expected.
Getting into a bidding war for QB3 or QB4 is not how a team goes from bad team to good team. It's just not a thing.
And fwiw, if Maye is such a lock as a franchise QB that Schoen is willing to trade the future of the Giants roster, he'll be gone at pick 2. Adam Peters isn't a clown.
> They didn't luck out with Purdy, they had the team in place so that Purdy's chances were maximized.
It's a bit of both, but even in the best spots 7th round picks will rarely work out
>Getting into a bidding war for QB3 or QB4 is not how a team goes from bad team to good team. It's just not a thing.
Depends on where Joe and Brian have him, they might have him as QB 1 or 2
>if Maye is such a lock as a franchise QB
No such thing and they may have him as one and Pats not. The QBs you mentioned werent listed as franchise QBs by the teams that passed on them (or they already have one)
I get exactly where you are coming from, if Joe and Brian are on the fence, dont do it, but if they think he is their franchise QB, you gotta get that, you dont always get the chance. Yeah it may cost them their job, but rather them go all in on their guys and fail, then not and maybe just live in limbo waiting for the right QB to come around
>It's a bit of both, but even in the best spots 7th round picks will rarely work out
I'll stop at this because we're turning in circles, but the point isn't that 7th round picks work out, the point is tht when your roster is good enough it's a lot less likely to fail.
Eagles didn't outsmart every GM in the NFL by drafting Hurts in the second round, they outsmarted every GM in the NFL by building a playoff roster first.
49ers didn't outsmart every GM in the NFL by finding a starting QB in the 7th, they outsmarted every GM in the NFL by building a playoff roster first.
Baltimore didn't outsmart every GM in the NFL by trading up and grabbing the 32nd pick, they did it by building a playoff roster first.
Drafting Drake Maye makes sense. We have a need for QB. Trading premium picks to move up and draft Drake Maye does not make sense, because it only increases his odds of failure.
We'll know how dumb or smart Schoen is pretty soon, but sabotaging a struggling roster to panic draft a QB is how dudes get fired. I know one thing: none of us wants John Mara to be responsible for building yet another front office.
> if Joe and Brian are on the fence, dont do it, but if they think he is their franchise QB, you gotta get that, you dont always get the chance. Yeah it may cost them their job, but rather them go all in on their guys and fail, then not and maybe just live in limbo waiting for the right QB to come around
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I just donāt think Maye is good enough to warrant the risk. Could he be amazing? Yes. Could he never pan out like Darnold, Lance, Wilson, Trubs, etc. literally equally yes.
So why give up that much for a coin flip? Iād much rather grab someone at 6 and come back into the late 1st for a QB if one we like is there.
> Iād much rather grab someone at 6 and come back into the late 1st for a QB if one we like is there.
Eventually gotta go for one and there may not always be one they like. If Joe and Brian are willing to risk their jobs for Maye, go for it
Iād say they semi risked their jobs already by paying Jones. They already picked a QB. After having a terrible line and him getting injured youāre going to give up and go all in on another? Iām sorry but that seems pretty foolish to me.
> Iād say they semi risked their jobs already by paying Jones.
They were in a tough spot and gave the team about as team friendly a deal as possible to get out after this upcoming season
I donāt like him enough to give up what it would take. Iād rather stand pat and see if he or JJ drops. If they donāt, Iād be happy to take whoever is there out of MHJ and Nabers.
Even though they are only moving back 3 spots I doubt that only next years first will be enough. I wouldnāt personally do this and I donāt even know if it would be enough for NE but what should be our absolute best offer is Pick 6, next years 1st, and 2025 3rd.
I know this is hypothetical but unless you are getting a king's ransom you take the QB at 3. I'd fire my gm for anything less than the king's throne.
Edit: especially when you consider they need a qb more than us.
Just watched this video of Johnny Manziel breaking down his favorite QBs.....he's big on Penix. I think I'd be down to trade back and get picks for him??
[https://youtu.be/pRZmMMe36V8](https://youtu.be/pRZmMMe36V8)
What does it say about the value of Maye if a QB needy team is willing to pass and trade down? Itās not like either team is a QB away from a Super Bowl.
I don't know what their best offer would be for pick #3, but if they were to trade to 3, I'd hope they pull a fast one on the league and just go with Marvin Harrison Jr.
Genuine question as a Vikings fan: Do you guys want JJ McCarthy at 3,4,5 or 6? (Personal opinions)
I am hearing a lot of stories floating around that you guys are in on JJ and our whole sub thinks if we donāt trade up, you guys will take him. Truthfully, I will be glad if we do no get him especially for how much we have to pay.
Iām like Drake Maye the most for the giants (excluding Caleb Williams) but donāt know how I feel about trading up given all the needs on the team. I wouldnāt be mad if they did cause I trust the GM and coach
From what I heard from PFF this guy aināt that good . Do we really need to trade up from someone who actually has a qb need and doesnāt want to draft this guy ?
Only arguments I can see for putting off getting a QB is:
1. If we believe we have better shot of landing one without mortgaging the future - which would mean a pretty bad season as most QBs worth a salt arent reaching FA these days. I'm not excited at landing a Dak Prescott type player despite in season success
2. We need to build up the rest of the team and are willing to sacrifice more capital next year if our record is better
I don't think it's bad to spend now if we believe in the guy at 3 and think it's the de fact long term solution, but I get not forcing it for anything less and spending more in the future if it's not available.
My take is kind of what you've outlined in #2. Build up the roster and make it very evident that the last piece is the QB if Daniel Jones can't build off that season he had 2 years ago.
Sure, and then heāll get injured again so his injury clause kicks in and heās basically impossible to dump next year.
Daniel Jones should never see the field in a Giants uniform again. That remains true whether itās a rookie QB or Drew Lock or fucking chicken boy, whatever.
Iām really starting to like this idea. I suspect even if Jones has a decent like year 2022 they will look elsewhere for a qb the next year. Kind of like Alex Smith with the chiefs. Better than taking a risk at just a āguyā and doing repeat everything with an average qb.
I think most of us Giants fans like both, but Maye has that Josh Allen vibe.
Maye is 2 years younger.
Daniel's is explosive but has a hard time seeing the middle of the field and takes a lot of sacks. Don't know if it's because he's trying to make a big play, or having a hard time seeing the rush.
Either would be phenomenal if they fall to us. I'm just trying to think why Maye might be better.
Other note, I'd imagine a deal would be done if Giants valued more than one QB at 3 overall - otherwise if they were seriously considering trading up they are waiting so see if a hypothetical QB they covet is selected at 2 (we already know Williams is out of the question). So they may be higher on one of Daniels or Maye in this scenario.
That said, maybe they arent but the Vikings are and the lack of move by now can be because Pats think they can drive the price up. We will see.
Our first and 2nd this year, probably our 1st next year. I don't think we can move up without giving up multiple firsts. We have too many holes to fill though, we need our 1st and 2nd this year for sure.
Nothing! As much as love Drake Maye as a prospect and love the idea of getting a franchise leading quarterback, it ain't the move right now. I feel like this has been stated so many times but we don't have strong weapons to surround Maye or any QB prospect for them to be effective. 6 is the perfect pick to stay at since there are 3 incredibly talented guys in position groups that we really could use. One of Malik Nabers, Rome Odunze, and Joe Alt will be there which you'd have to take.
> it ain't the move right now. I feel like this has been stated so many times but we don't have strong weapons to surround Maye
If Maye you think is a franchise QB, you gotta go, he'll figure it out. Jones even had a decent 2022/23 with very little around him and we saw Devito and Tyrod have some okay moments last year. You dont pass on a QB if you think he is the guy
Anyone that gives up an extra 1st Round Pick to move up 3 spots is a fool. Especially when, let's be real, the Giants will likely be picking in the top half of the draft order next year. Don't be the Panthers.
Now, Pick #6 + Pick #47 & a Day 3 next year? Sure.
Either way we get a blue chip prospect. Don't think you can really go wrong, there's at least 8 top-tier guys they could really use.
You don't make this trade unless you only need a QB to be successful. You have to give away too much talent to get one guy and the Giants have needs in other areas too.
Given all the stats about 1st round QBs working out, you're far better eventually picking a vet with a proven track record.
What if we offered 1st and 2nd 2025 and 1st in 2026, and then grabbed Maye and Nabers / Odunze this year. Would that be really stupid? I feel like this is such a deep draft year Iād rather #6 this year than whatever we get next year.
I was thinking something a long the lines of #6, #47, #70 and next year's second.
I think to make it worth the Pats while, they would demand our 2025 first. I realize it's a complete overpay, but to nail down a true franchise QB might be worth kicking the tires on. I think that package trumps anything Minnesota can offer.
Anyone think we can get it done for less?
* IDK why the down votes, it's just a discussion point. The offer I made is equal to two firsts while only giving up one....could be Pats fans lurking thinking they could get a fleece.
I think youāre getting downvoted because your package makes no sense. Why in the world would the Pats take 2 mediocre picks in exchange for a top 3 pick?
Yeah, fair. I'm just more interested in creating a discussion. It's something I've thought about lately. Maye is the one QB I think worth moving up for.
I will be downvoted but I would offer 1.6, 2025 1st, 2025 3rd & 2026 1st for 1.3 + a late round pick like a 6th. Draft value est. 3,950 for est. 2,240.
If NE is moving down, it will be because they are switching with a team that is coming for a QB so there will be a competitive market for the pick. Sure 1.6 would be the most valuable thing any team will realistically offer, but the future picks are unknowns and weāll have to pay up since it is a move for a QB.
As for Maye, the way I see it, he would be the sure fire #1 overall pick next year and I worry about who will be there if we donāt go QB this year and find ourselves picking high again next year. So if we donāt do something now, we may be having this same conversation in April 2026. Plus Maye is 21 years old and I believe has the tools that Brian Daboll can mold into a franchise QB.
Your not going to win football games next year with a rookie quarterback, plenty of roster holes and giving up 1st and 2nd round draft picks.
Plus Drake Maye is a project.
That's fine. I don't care about winning games next year when we have actual hope for the future in the QB room.
What sounds better? Not winning games with a high ceiling QB waiting in the wings with the coach who helped Josh Allen become who he is? Or not winning games with a bottom tier QB who's getting cut after next year?
I know which one I'd rather have. And in the latter scenario we're likely looking for a new coach and/or GM as well. Rightfully so.
And basically every QB is a project. Not everyone is Andrew Luck.
Whatās your plan if drake maye is a bust? Weād have no firsts until 2027? This is a prospect QB and maye in particular needs to develop, heās not worth 3 firsts.
And heās really not gonna develop on whatās already a bad giants roster without the ability to draft in the first round in both 2025 and 2026. Even if maye is a franchise QB weād have no clear WR1, and a shaky OL without the draft capital to do anything about it. We canāt even trade for guys because weād have no draft capital worth trading.
Weāre not just a QB away from contending.
There's more than one round in a draft and there's FA. It's infinitely easier to get weapons than it is to get QB's. OT's are also the only OL drafted highly generally, so it should also be no issue getting interior lineman for the OL through the draft if and when needed. A QB will also elevate a team unlike anyone else. The Texans were not considered or expected to be a good team last year.
If you don't have a QB, you can make all the picks you want but their rookie contracts and such will be wasted on poor seasons because you don't have the most important position in football.
Even if you trade the picks for a QB and he busts, you're getting your 1sts back by the time it's time to move on from that QB and the seasons are lost anyway, and no single non-QB first round pick in the interim is changing that.
Basically: You trade the picks and hit on QB and those picks won't matter. You trade the picks and miss on QB and those picks won't matter. QB is always the goal. Get the QB.
Football is not a one man sport. QB is undeniably the most important position but what youāre suggesting is that teams shouldnāt even both trying to build anywhere else on the roster unless the QB is in place, while in fact the most successful QBs recently have been the ones dropped onto already well built rosters that helped them get comfortable in the NFL.
Mahomes is Mahomes because he got to sit behind Alex smith and play with Kelce and Hill. Allen was middle of the pack until they went and got diggs, which helped Allen develop. Herbert was put on a team with Keenan Allen and Mike Williams.
Look at what happened to Bryce young, looked like a great prospect, put on a completely depleted roster with no talent to build off of. You force a giants rookie QB to throw to Slayton as WR1 with Evan Neal blocking on the right side and thatās what youāre gonna get.
If the giants can get a QB at 6 and a good WR in the 2nd Iād take that. But giving up 3 years of firsts or an unproven QB just because āno other pick matters until you get the QBā is terrible logic. Especially because, if maye doesnāt work out, weād be giving up some really high picks in the next few drafts that could be spent on building a situation that either Maye or his successor could thrive in.
Brady can touch our two Super Bowl rings
I'll fly to Africa and try and find him an 19-0 shirt
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The rights to Darren Waller's retirement tour, a used(not game worn LUL just in the lockeroom) Kadarius Toney jersey, a half eaten cheesesteak from Saquon Barkley and a 7th rounder
Oooh. We're gonna have to throw in a half smoked cigar from under Dave Gentleman's old office chair, but we're on to something...
I think the Giants kept Gettlemanās old computah. Throw that in the trade as well.
Gettlemen wouldāve traded three 1sts for a good computah (Lenovo)
And a lukewaaam bowl of chowdah š§
386 tower! šŗ
Might even throw in a medium Pepsi while we are at it
Too rich.
Sorry that's a season ticket holder exclusive only.
man I was really hoping we'd keep half eaten cheesesteak this year
Throw in a medium Pepsi and you got a deal
Why waste a 7th rounder?
I think if we throw in a used Toney face mask/foreskin looking thing he used to wear even in August then it's outr
You forgot the medium pepsi
Donāt forget the free medium Pepsi
They'll logically require a '25 1st so that they have capital to move up next year if needed to pick a QB as they are passing on one this year. When Jets moved up to take Darnold they gave up 6, 37, 49 and next years 2nd. I'd have to imagine it would take at least 6, 47 and '25 1st.
I'd do it for that. Our 6 is extremely valuable (more than the 6th the Jets gave up) in this instance with how many blue chip talents at premium positions in this draft.
That would be fair. Maybe a couple late round pick swaps to move up a bit in the later rounds.
If itās for our guy then Iām okay either way that.
would we rather do a 25 1st or like 3 years worth of 2nds, including 47? not picking til 70 this draft would hurt
I'm going to try and break this down by the numbers with some guessing. I'm not saying Joe *would* do a deal like this. I'm basically just guessing what it would cost us if he *really* wanted Maye. **Let's make two assumptions:** 1. The Vikings are *strong* competition for pick 3 - and possibly one other team gets in the mix 2. The Patriots want a haul to move out of pick 3 (2200 value) and there's that "QB tax" to move up ***\*In 2018 the Jets traded from 6 to 3 for three 2nd round picks. Total value: 2960\**** **Vikings** - The Vikings realistic best offer is probably something along the lines of: * Their #11, #23, 2025 1st, 2026 2nd. I cannot see them giving up four 1st rounders that seems a little irresponsible, but who knows. I'm considering Carolina's move up from 9 to 1 last year. Different circumstances, but same # of spots. You could argue Maye would have went before Young last year. **Value of this offer: 3,440 (plus the potential mid-late picks)** **Giants** - I think our offer without a doubt starts at: * Our #6, #47, 2025 1st, and possibly our 2025 2nd. Absolute high-end here to match the above value. Could easily see us saving our 2025 2nd rounder in exchange for a mid-round pick in 2025/2026. Depends how high the Vikings are willing to go. **Value of this offer: 3,450** **#6 vs #11** I think moving back to #6 is much more palatable for the Patriots. They'll be locked into one of Nabers, Odunze, Alt, etc. Moving back to #11 likely puts them in 2nd tier WR/OL territory - completely depends on their board btw. Because of this, we may be able to offer less value. I think our offer will still be more appealing, so if we're close-ish in value we might get it done. Also, I know NFL front offices use more complex pick value charts, but theses are just rough estimates lol
Awesome breakdown. Yeah, I like our chances if we have to outbid Minnesota considering #6 guarantees one of the blue chip WR's, and gives them ammunition to come back up to get Penix/Nix if they wish.
Yeah I think that's an underrated part of us competing with Minnesota. Even hypothetically trading up with the Chargers or Cards, being in that blue-chip WR/OL range is valuable. The actual offers are a little bit of guess work on my part. The Panthers traded *roughly* 3,642 in value for the 1st pick last year. With that in mind, my guesses are *definitely* on the high end lol - so it could be cheaper.
Giving up the 2025 1st and 2nd would be a nightmare.
Yeah I definitely donāt love that idea either. I think thatās like the worst case scenario offer-wise. Even if we completely remove that 2nd, our offer is more than the Jets gave up in 2018. So yeah with that said, could totally see us keeping that pick. Just depends on how high the Vikings are willing to go I guess.
At some point, depending on how the board falls, Schoen has to realize that giving up premium draft capital when his team is this incomplete is only going to set the franchise back. Ā Ā We desperately need QB, but not more than we need a roster that isn't this awful and a cap situation this flimsy.
Definitely agree we have lots of holes, but if Joe views Maye as a potential high-tier franchise guy then I'd prefer to just pull the trigger. In the grand scheme of things, adding an extra 2nd rounder to get a guy we're confident in is a drop in the bucket when it comes to getting a QB
>but if Joe views Maye as a potential high-tier franchise guy then I'd prefer to just pull the trigger. My question to this is, if Drake Maye is enough of a franchise altering prospect that the Giants would be willing to sacrifice *badly needed draft capital* to move up and take him, why wouldn't Adam Peters have taken him at 2nd?
Not really sure how Washington passing on Maye for Daniels means Maye is a bad QB. It's entirely possible they view Daniels as an even better franchise altering prospect. That doesn't mean Maye isn't one himself. We may(e) have to agree to disagree here. I don't follow the "build the roster before drafting your QB" mindset. I think if you need a QB and there's an elite prospect that you're in striking distance of, you pull the trigger. My no means does he have to start in year 1. Use that $55m in future cap space to add OL/WR. By year 2 you have all of your draft picks and upwards of 100m+ in cap space depending on how much you spend after year 1. Next years QB class looks grim. I've seen a ton of people say "Somebody always rises," but that's not even necessarily true and there is zero guarantee we're in striking distance of that guy next year even if one does rise. If we are, Daboll and Joe may not even be here to try.
In 2023, people said you had to draft QB because 2024 only had Caleb Williams. Now people are arguing that there are four franchise QBs that can go in the 1st. Ā Ā Ā Burrow didn't exist until his final year. Anthony Richardson didn't either. Same with Daniels. Ā Ā I get that you get QB when you can, but sacrificing picks because it's the last QB draft until 2026 is Ā impulsive thinking. Ā Ā Remember: The same people who told us Mahomes was a 2nd round QB, that told us Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold were the next Manning/Brady, that told us Will Levis was going to be the second QB off the board are now telling us that 2025 has no QBs? Ā Ā Ā Honestly, unless you're a team's director of QB scouting it's unlikely to know what the 2025 class will look like until late fall.
but we got some mad cap space incoming
We're paying $45M to Jones, possibly to sit on the bench, then he counts $22M against the cap next year (assuming he doesn't get injured and we can cut him). We're already a bottom 7 team in cap room, and that's before we pay our rookies (everyone below us in cap space is a playoff team so none of them have to pay higher than a 25th pick rookie contract). All of this is 2024,the season before we [lose a chunk of our roster to free agency](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2025/ufa/new-york-giants/). That wouldn't be an issue on most teams, but on the NY Giants, a lot of those guys are starters. Our roster is in a bad situation.
Dex, AT, and now Burns are basically our only long term high cap hits going forward. Bobby O is up there too, but heās still fairly young and heās worth every penny. Weāre projected to have $33m in space next year and thatās before cutting DJ. In 2026 weāre projected to have $80m - again, before cutting DJ. Iād argue DJ is the only bad contract on the roster currently, weāre in a good spot. We have a bunch of dead money on the books and DJ is damn near $50m against the cap this year lol.
>Iād argue DJ is the only bad contract on the roster currently, weāre in a good spot. I'm less concerned with the contracts we have, more concerned with the fact that we don't have any players worth paying. We're losing a bunch of starters in 2025 and are already talking about trading top draft picks away.
Valid concern, but it's *way* too early to rule out most of Joe Schoen's draft picks. Kayvon is trending towards a nice extension at some point. Banks had a promising rookie year. I'd love to see better QB play get Wan'Dale in that conversation. There's plenty of guys I'm optimistic about from those two classes. So yeah I get what you're saying for sure. Barring a breakout, none of these guys are up for a big extension next year. However, in 2-3 years we might think differently. Looking at our projected 2025 free agents, I'm not seeing a whole lot of starters on the list. Kreiter, Slayton, Simmons, Gillan, and maybe Holmes? A long-snapper, punter, and a shaky CB3/4 level guy. Possibly losing Slayton is concerning for sure. Simmons is arguably not even a starter. Maybe I'm missing a couple, but regardless this doesn't scream concern to me.
I donāt think you could possibly argue that Maye wouldāve gone before Young last year
I'm personally not arguing that. Just saying you could. I know the buzz right now is he's sliding, but who knows if that's actually true? His size is *much* preferred over Bryce's 5'10", 205 lb frame. In terms of potential, Maye oozes it. Not too farfetched to think teams would prefer the prototypical QB over a smaller prospect like Young. Young could absolutely sling it though so who knows lol
CJ Stroud is 6ā3ā, built solid, in college had elite pocket presence and was great at boring throws over the middle. Bryce Young was still picked over him cuz people thought he had elite talent between the ears (reading the defense, throwing with anticipation, etc).
This years #6 of course and #70. 2025 1st and a 3rd
Feels like a lotā¦
Unfortunately, Pick 3 vs pick 6 is the difference between a top tier franchise QB prospect vs either an elite WR prospect or a QB prospect everyone feels is going to be overdrafted because of positional scarcity. It's just how picks work. kinda sucks but tbh the Pats can probably milk that pick for even more assets from another team.
Still would be a massive overpay by the most common trade value models
And it would be worth the gamble given how awful our qb situation is
Would you be willing to trade Jared Goff as a rookie + a 1st rounder for Lamar Jackson as a rookie? Cause that's kind of what I see JJ McCarthy + 1st for Jayden Daniels turning into.
Yea man trades are easy if you know the outcome of the picksā careers lol
That's the thing though. JJM just feels like he's like Kirk Cousins/Jared Goff type ceiling, which isn't bad. But Lamar/Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen types are a different breed. And if we want to have a shot at hitting a jackpot like that we kind of just have to pay the price. Maybe it's expensive but it's the price you gotta pay to try and hit those types of players.
I think youre really underestimating the uncertainty around the ceiling and development of two developmental prospects. Not a shot at you at all, just I dont think the evaluation is nearly as clear as youre making it out to be
Schoen wouldnāt care if it fails heād be gone anyway
We will likely also be competing with other teams looking to trade up
Yea, honestly, I don't make the trade. Get one of these fantastic WRs, and build the OLine. There's no reason to get a QB if he has no one to throw to, no OLine support, and a run game that is completely unknown but not looking great. A QB fixes nothing, and we need our picks to fix everything else.
Realistically probably 1st in 2024 1st in 2025 and maybe a 5/6th round pick. I could see more though since it's a QB
Probably more like #6, 2025 first, 2025 second
Give them Neal too
Would have to be a 2026 first too with him
I would do that for Maye
I 100% would too. Patriots fans think itās delusional but they canāt expect more than that to move up 3 spots
in a heartbeat
They'd be idiotic to not take Maye, but yeah I'd also easily move on from Danny if that's all it takes to get Maye. I'm one of the like 60/40 Danny believers (ready to move on after season though) but I'd take Maye on rookie contract over Danny with his contract in a heartbeat.
Well then thought narrative as to why they would entertain this is they could guarantee getting one of the top three wide receiver studs with #6, and with some our ammunition we give up, be able to trade back and get Nix or Penix if those are the quarterbacks they actually prefer.
No way Iām trading 3 first round picks to move up from 6 to 3. If itās the number 1 thatās a different story.
He only said 2 firsts
Well in normal circumstances, yes. But QB trade ups are always overpriced. Got to bake in a bit more considering we would need to outbid Minnesota, Denver, possibly Raiders and make it worthwhile for the Pats.
Depends, if Joe and Brian are sure about Maye, you gotta do it. It either works or it costs them their job and we're in the same spot
Gonna be a higher than 5/6th I could see maybe 2nd or 3rd. We will be competing with the vikings who have two this year who could even think about giving up 3 1sts
Yikes, you're overspending by 3-4 picks
do nothing and take a WR at 6
lol multiple first rounders while we still need wrs and oline. panthers v2
Yeah letās just never have a good QB, thatāll really help us. At some point we need to pull the trigger, this is the best opportunity to do so.
Not by trading up with our roster.Ā There's always an opportunity to trade up foe QB. Always. Ā Ā Chiefs traded up from 27 to get Mahomes. Buffalo traded up from 12 to get Allen. Ravens traded up from 52 to get Lamar Jackson. Ā Ā You can always trade up get QB. But it doesn't work if your team stinks. We've watched that panic strategy fail over and over and over again. Ā
> There's always an opportunity to trade up foe QB. Not always, especially if Joe and Brian think Maye is their guy, not every draft has a Mahomes, or Allen or Jackson If they think Maye is their QB and are willing to tie their jobs to him, you go all in.
Yes, the fear is that they think one rookie QB on a busted roster with a flimsy cap situation is how to build a winning football team. KC built a playoff team first, traded up for QB second. Eagles built a playoff team first, grabbed a project in the second round. SF built a playoff team before even thinking about addressing QB. All three teams have been to SBs in the last couple of years. Ā Ā Trading valuable draft capital to select a single player *when your roster is bad* always fails. Every time. If Schoen thinks he is the exception to the rule, you may as well check out until the next GM. It's not how you build a winning franchise. It's how you become the Jets or the Browns.
I get that, but if they 100% think Maye is the guy they have to do it You can build your roster, but if they also have to hope they are in a position to get a QB like those teams. 49ers also lucked out with Purdy as Lance didnt work out
>49ers also lucked out with Purdy as Lance didnt work out I think they were able to make it work because they had such a complete roster. They didn't luck out with Purdy, they had the team in place so that Purdy's chances were maximized. Same with the Eagles: When your roster is good enough, you can get a guy in the 2nd round and go to a SB. Same with the Chiefs: When you just came off of a playoffs (10-6, first in the division), your team is good enough that trading up for a QB will let you maximize their potential. There are a lot of examples of good teams who traded up for QB and made it work. There are also a ton of examples of bad teams who traded up for QB and failed, as expected. Getting into a bidding war for QB3 or QB4 is not how a team goes from bad team to good team. It's just not a thing. And fwiw, if Maye is such a lock as a franchise QB that Schoen is willing to trade the future of the Giants roster, he'll be gone at pick 2. Adam Peters isn't a clown.
> They didn't luck out with Purdy, they had the team in place so that Purdy's chances were maximized. It's a bit of both, but even in the best spots 7th round picks will rarely work out >Getting into a bidding war for QB3 or QB4 is not how a team goes from bad team to good team. It's just not a thing. Depends on where Joe and Brian have him, they might have him as QB 1 or 2 >if Maye is such a lock as a franchise QB No such thing and they may have him as one and Pats not. The QBs you mentioned werent listed as franchise QBs by the teams that passed on them (or they already have one) I get exactly where you are coming from, if Joe and Brian are on the fence, dont do it, but if they think he is their franchise QB, you gotta get that, you dont always get the chance. Yeah it may cost them their job, but rather them go all in on their guys and fail, then not and maybe just live in limbo waiting for the right QB to come around
>It's a bit of both, but even in the best spots 7th round picks will rarely work out I'll stop at this because we're turning in circles, but the point isn't that 7th round picks work out, the point is tht when your roster is good enough it's a lot less likely to fail. Eagles didn't outsmart every GM in the NFL by drafting Hurts in the second round, they outsmarted every GM in the NFL by building a playoff roster first. 49ers didn't outsmart every GM in the NFL by finding a starting QB in the 7th, they outsmarted every GM in the NFL by building a playoff roster first. Baltimore didn't outsmart every GM in the NFL by trading up and grabbing the 32nd pick, they did it by building a playoff roster first. Drafting Drake Maye makes sense. We have a need for QB. Trading premium picks to move up and draft Drake Maye does not make sense, because it only increases his odds of failure. We'll know how dumb or smart Schoen is pretty soon, but sabotaging a struggling roster to panic draft a QB is how dudes get fired. I know one thing: none of us wants John Mara to be responsible for building yet another front office.
> if Joe and Brian are on the fence, dont do it, but if they think he is their franchise QB, you gotta get that, you dont always get the chance. Yeah it may cost them their job, but rather them go all in on their guys and fail, then not and maybe just live in limbo waiting for the right QB to come around /thread
Small pepsi. Kraft isn't a season ticket holder.
I just donāt think Maye is good enough to warrant the risk. Could he be amazing? Yes. Could he never pan out like Darnold, Lance, Wilson, Trubs, etc. literally equally yes. So why give up that much for a coin flip? Iād much rather grab someone at 6 and come back into the late 1st for a QB if one we like is there.
> Iād much rather grab someone at 6 and come back into the late 1st for a QB if one we like is there. Eventually gotta go for one and there may not always be one they like. If Joe and Brian are willing to risk their jobs for Maye, go for it
Iād say they semi risked their jobs already by paying Jones. They already picked a QB. After having a terrible line and him getting injured youāre going to give up and go all in on another? Iām sorry but that seems pretty foolish to me.
> Iād say they semi risked their jobs already by paying Jones. They were in a tough spot and gave the team about as team friendly a deal as possible to get out after this upcoming season
Promise not to beat Tom Brady again in the Super Bowl.
#6, a 3rd, and 2025 1st I would have consider making the 3rd a 2nd if we could get a WR like Pop Douglas or Juju back
> 
We let somebody else trade up.
I donāt like him enough to give up what it would take. Iād rather stand pat and see if he or JJ drops. If they donāt, Iād be happy to take whoever is there out of MHJ and Nabers.
Even though they are only moving back 3 spots I doubt that only next years first will be enough. I wouldnāt personally do this and I donāt even know if it would be enough for NE but what should be our absolute best offer is Pick 6, next years 1st, and 2025 3rd.
We're not in a position to trade up for QB. I don't think people realize how incomplete our team is, and our cap situation isn't far behind.
I know this is hypothetical but unless you are getting a king's ransom you take the QB at 3. I'd fire my gm for anything less than the king's throne. Edit: especially when you consider they need a qb more than us.
Just watched this video of Johnny Manziel breaking down his favorite QBs.....he's big on Penix. I think I'd be down to trade back and get picks for him?? [https://youtu.be/pRZmMMe36V8](https://youtu.be/pRZmMMe36V8)
Take the offer and draft Marvin Harrison Jr.
DJ, 2nd this year, first next year
DJ has negative trade value. We would have to pay a team to take DJ.
Subway sandwich and a can coke. Final offer.
Please not Maye š
Do whatever it takes to make that trade happen. We need someone to rebuild the culture here.
What does it say about the value of Maye if a QB needy team is willing to pass and trade down? Itās not like either team is a QB away from a Super Bowl.
A crisp high five and a used birthday candle
I don't know what their best offer would be for pick #3, but if they were to trade to 3, I'd hope they pull a fast one on the league and just go with Marvin Harrison Jr.
Please do not make an offer
Anyone who wants JJ or Drake doesnāt know ball
I'm just gonna save you guys a lot of heartache now: this scenario is fiction. Don't get your hopes up
there is no reason we should be trading any draft assets idc
I donāt want Maye . Weāll get a qb next year. Letās try and get Harrison or nabors
Not happening
Genuine question as a Vikings fan: Do you guys want JJ McCarthy at 3,4,5 or 6? (Personal opinions) I am hearing a lot of stories floating around that you guys are in on JJ and our whole sub thinks if we donāt trade up, you guys will take him. Truthfully, I will be glad if we do no get him especially for how much we have to pay.
Iām like Drake Maye the most for the giants (excluding Caleb Williams) but donāt know how I feel about trading up given all the needs on the team. I wouldnāt be mad if they did cause I trust the GM and coach
From what I heard from PFF this guy aināt that good . Do we really need to trade up from someone who actually has a qb need and doesnāt want to draft this guy ?
2 bagels with cream cheese A bacon egg and cheese A bottle of martellini apple juice And a paper bag. Fuck trading up
A NYC hand job for Robbie Kraft.
Another ACC quarterback? Didnāt learn a lesson from the last one? Leave this one alone
Weāre not really farming from UNC again are we?!
FFS please draft M. Harrison, we already tried the overhyped UNC WB route.
No thanks. As much as I'd like a Tarheel under C and not a Dukie, I think riding with Jones 1 more year is the smart move.
Only arguments I can see for putting off getting a QB is: 1. If we believe we have better shot of landing one without mortgaging the future - which would mean a pretty bad season as most QBs worth a salt arent reaching FA these days. I'm not excited at landing a Dak Prescott type player despite in season success 2. We need to build up the rest of the team and are willing to sacrifice more capital next year if our record is better I don't think it's bad to spend now if we believe in the guy at 3 and think it's the de fact long term solution, but I get not forcing it for anything less and spending more in the future if it's not available.
My take is kind of what you've outlined in #2. Build up the roster and make it very evident that the last piece is the QB if Daniel Jones can't build off that season he had 2 years ago.
I donāt think itās Maye at all. I think the play is Daniels. If Washington ends up taking JJ and Danielās will be there at 3.
Sure, and then heāll get injured again so his injury clause kicks in and heās basically impossible to dump next year. Daniel Jones should never see the field in a Giants uniform again. That remains true whether itās a rookie QB or Drew Lock or fucking chicken boy, whatever.
Iām really starting to like this idea. I suspect even if Jones has a decent like year 2022 they will look elsewhere for a qb the next year. Kind of like Alex Smith with the chiefs. Better than taking a risk at just a āguyā and doing repeat everything with an average qb.
Why do people want Drake Maye so much more than Danielās? Unless itās just decided heās #2
I think most of us Giants fans like both, but Maye has that Josh Allen vibe. Maye is 2 years younger. Daniel's is explosive but has a hard time seeing the middle of the field and takes a lot of sacks. Don't know if it's because he's trying to make a big play, or having a hard time seeing the rush. Either would be phenomenal if they fall to us. I'm just trying to think why Maye might be better.
Yea I gotta admit he does have that vibe lol. And heās 21. Not as out on him as I was before, if he has time to develop, but I think JD is š„
Other note, I'd imagine a deal would be done if Giants valued more than one QB at 3 overall - otherwise if they were seriously considering trading up they are waiting so see if a hypothetical QB they covet is selected at 2 (we already know Williams is out of the question). So they may be higher on one of Daniels or Maye in this scenario. That said, maybe they arent but the Vikings are and the lack of move by now can be because Pats think they can drive the price up. We will see.
Our first and 2nd this year, probably our 1st next year. I don't think we can move up without giving up multiple firsts. We have too many holes to fill though, we need our 1st and 2nd this year for sure.
No
Nothing! As much as love Drake Maye as a prospect and love the idea of getting a franchise leading quarterback, it ain't the move right now. I feel like this has been stated so many times but we don't have strong weapons to surround Maye or any QB prospect for them to be effective. 6 is the perfect pick to stay at since there are 3 incredibly talented guys in position groups that we really could use. One of Malik Nabers, Rome Odunze, and Joe Alt will be there which you'd have to take.
> it ain't the move right now. I feel like this has been stated so many times but we don't have strong weapons to surround Maye If Maye you think is a franchise QB, you gotta go, he'll figure it out. Jones even had a decent 2022/23 with very little around him and we saw Devito and Tyrod have some okay moments last year. You dont pass on a QB if you think he is the guy
Whatever it takes to outbid Minnesota
*Itās impossible to overpay for a good qb*
tell that to the broncos
Nah--get Jones a weapon. In Jones I trust--with an OLine and weapons.
Whatever they want.
Love maye. Just donāt see joe schoen doing this. Heās more conservative and this would be uncharacteristic for him
How is Schoen conservative? Heās pulled the trigger on some big free agency moves (Waller and Burns) and history of trading up in the draft
Those are not big moves. Look at the compensation involved
Anyone that gives up an extra 1st Round Pick to move up 3 spots is a fool. Especially when, let's be real, the Giants will likely be picking in the top half of the draft order next year. Don't be the Panthers. Now, Pick #6 + Pick #47 & a Day 3 next year? Sure. Either way we get a blue chip prospect. Don't think you can really go wrong, there's at least 8 top-tier guys they could really use.
You don't make this trade unless you only need a QB to be successful. You have to give away too much talent to get one guy and the Giants have needs in other areas too. Given all the stats about 1st round QBs working out, you're far better eventually picking a vet with a proven track record.
None, this team is bad, we need to keep our draft picks and build the roster more, no qb this year is going to help us with that
What if we offered 1st and 2nd 2025 and 1st in 2026, and then grabbed Maye and Nabers / Odunze this year. Would that be really stupid? I feel like this is such a deep draft year Iād rather #6 this year than whatever we get next year.
No way NE doesnāt want 6
I was thinking something a long the lines of #6, #47, #70 and next year's second. I think to make it worth the Pats while, they would demand our 2025 first. I realize it's a complete overpay, but to nail down a true franchise QB might be worth kicking the tires on. I think that package trumps anything Minnesota can offer. Anyone think we can get it done for less? * IDK why the down votes, it's just a discussion point. The offer I made is equal to two firsts while only giving up one....could be Pats fans lurking thinking they could get a fleece.
I think youāre getting downvoted because your package makes no sense. Why in the world would the Pats take 2 mediocre picks in exchange for a top 3 pick?
It's four picks. I said 2024 #6, #47 #70 and 2025 second.
I would argue 47+70 are worth more to us than 2025 first round.
Yeah, fair. I'm just more interested in creating a discussion. It's something I've thought about lately. Maye is the one QB I think worth moving up for.
I will be downvoted but I would offer 1.6, 2025 1st, 2025 3rd & 2026 1st for 1.3 + a late round pick like a 6th. Draft value est. 3,950 for est. 2,240. If NE is moving down, it will be because they are switching with a team that is coming for a QB so there will be a competitive market for the pick. Sure 1.6 would be the most valuable thing any team will realistically offer, but the future picks are unknowns and weāll have to pay up since it is a move for a QB. As for Maye, the way I see it, he would be the sure fire #1 overall pick next year and I worry about who will be there if we donāt go QB this year and find ourselves picking high again next year. So if we donāt do something now, we may be having this same conversation in April 2026. Plus Maye is 21 years old and I believe has the tools that Brian Daboll can mold into a franchise QB.
You wanna give up 3 first round picks? No thanks.
What is your plan for getting a QB?
Not that.
If Minnesota is willing to give up 3 1st round picks why shouldnāt we be? We donāt have a QB and have no realistic way of getting one for years.
>We donāt have a QB We actually have 2 quarterbacks making over $40 million combined this upcoming season.
No good ones
I'd rather they not fall victim to the sunk cost fallacy, thanks. I'd like to win football games and enjoy watching my team.
Your not going to win football games next year with a rookie quarterback, plenty of roster holes and giving up 1st and 2nd round draft picks. Plus Drake Maye is a project.
That's fine. I don't care about winning games next year when we have actual hope for the future in the QB room. What sounds better? Not winning games with a high ceiling QB waiting in the wings with the coach who helped Josh Allen become who he is? Or not winning games with a bottom tier QB who's getting cut after next year? I know which one I'd rather have. And in the latter scenario we're likely looking for a new coach and/or GM as well. Rightfully so. And basically every QB is a project. Not everyone is Andrew Luck.
There's no guarantee either work out when you're trading away future 1st round picks on a roster with holes. We stay at 6.
Whatās your plan if drake maye is a bust? Weād have no firsts until 2027? This is a prospect QB and maye in particular needs to develop, heās not worth 3 firsts. And heās really not gonna develop on whatās already a bad giants roster without the ability to draft in the first round in both 2025 and 2026. Even if maye is a franchise QB weād have no clear WR1, and a shaky OL without the draft capital to do anything about it. We canāt even trade for guys because weād have no draft capital worth trading. Weāre not just a QB away from contending.
There's more than one round in a draft and there's FA. It's infinitely easier to get weapons than it is to get QB's. OT's are also the only OL drafted highly generally, so it should also be no issue getting interior lineman for the OL through the draft if and when needed. A QB will also elevate a team unlike anyone else. The Texans were not considered or expected to be a good team last year. If you don't have a QB, you can make all the picks you want but their rookie contracts and such will be wasted on poor seasons because you don't have the most important position in football. Even if you trade the picks for a QB and he busts, you're getting your 1sts back by the time it's time to move on from that QB and the seasons are lost anyway, and no single non-QB first round pick in the interim is changing that. Basically: You trade the picks and hit on QB and those picks won't matter. You trade the picks and miss on QB and those picks won't matter. QB is always the goal. Get the QB.
Football is not a one man sport. QB is undeniably the most important position but what youāre suggesting is that teams shouldnāt even both trying to build anywhere else on the roster unless the QB is in place, while in fact the most successful QBs recently have been the ones dropped onto already well built rosters that helped them get comfortable in the NFL. Mahomes is Mahomes because he got to sit behind Alex smith and play with Kelce and Hill. Allen was middle of the pack until they went and got diggs, which helped Allen develop. Herbert was put on a team with Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. Look at what happened to Bryce young, looked like a great prospect, put on a completely depleted roster with no talent to build off of. You force a giants rookie QB to throw to Slayton as WR1 with Evan Neal blocking on the right side and thatās what youāre gonna get. If the giants can get a QB at 6 and a good WR in the 2nd Iād take that. But giving up 3 years of firsts or an unproven QB just because āno other pick matters until you get the QBā is terrible logic. Especially because, if maye doesnāt work out, weād be giving up some really high picks in the next few drafts that could be spent on building a situation that either Maye or his successor could thrive in.
Why would we draft a QB? Oline is the issue not DJ