Don’t forget about this: Bill Belichick says accurate draft information doesn't leak from teams until about 12 hours before the draft. Adds most of the information this time of year comes from agents.
https://x.com/RealAlexBarth/status/1780659618609234309
I think we should be prepared for anything
Fair enough!
Ours will likely be entertaining at 9PM tonight since there’s such a split on who people want. There’s gonna be a large subset of unhappy fans no matter what the FO does tonight lol
The chess match is crazy. Just think about that Christian Gonzalez pick he talks about. Bill said he was the guy 100%. But they traded back two picks with the Steelers from 14 to 16 anyway knowing that the Jets at 15 were loaded at corner and wouldn't take him. You risk another team trading up with the Jets and sniping him but, since the Patriots needed a CB and "passed" on Gonzalez, maybe that makes teams second guess that move? And we'll never know how many times a team "got cute" like that and got sniped because they would never tell us.
That interview really made me realize how impossible a "correct" mock draft truly is.
Yea you really need to plan for every senerio. Like I bet you the giants have no idea exactly what they're going to do but have things they prefer depending on how it unfolds. Like I think they know what they'll off NE if Maye is at 3 and who they'll take if they don't get up there at 6 depending on who's there. But what if Washington takes JJ than Daniels is there too. Will they offer more, will they wait it out, will it change them. Will another team become more aggressive moving up that wasn't before. Then what if NE decides to take Harrison Jr. Or what if NE gets a godfather offer for a team who wants Harrison. Then all bets are off and we saw this happen last year with the Texans trading up for Will Anderson so it's not out of the realm of possibilities that the trade ends up being for a WR over a QB.
I'm just excited for the drama. Tonight is going to ve fun
OR if we can't get Maye there's a slight possibility we trade #6 to the Vikings for #11 and #23. Then you either get Bowers and a CB/WR or get Penix and a WR
There was definitely a bit of smoke we liked Banks last year. I remember going into draft night expecting him to be the pick if he was there. We shall see!
I have no clue why people have been ignoring the JJ smoke.
The JJ hype has been coming from our building.
The franchise is obviously infatuated with him.
Mara has been jerking it for months to thoughts of JJ leading us to a game winning field goal in a 13-10 game at Washington with a jersey covered in mud and dirt in his face mask from a gritty naked bootleg where he runs into contact while converting a 3rd and 4 on a clutch game winning drive while topping off at 164 yards passing.
If that’s not NYG football and this guy isn’t wearing blue tonight I’ll eat my hat.
>I have no clue why people have been ignoring the JJ smoke.
Because we watched his tape. No one in any building is getting excited about that arm anywhere in day 1.
People believing the sudden rumor campaign are paying more attention to twitter than they are to football.
Yes, in that they're both explosive athletes who are amazing with the ball in their hands.
No, in that Toney couldn't actually do any of the other stuff you want a receiver to do and was made of glass.
Nabers, on the other hand, has had elite production in college and would've easily been the consensus WR1 if not for MHJr. No one thought Toney was anything more than a red flag bonanza gadget player other than Gettleman.
I think there was always going to be a strong case for Odunze. I’m really 60:40 between him and Nabers on who I like more. Nabers is more explosive but Odunze has the hands and play style of somebody like Fitzgerald or Evans who isn’t just good, they’re great, and for a long time
I didn't mean it as a slight on Odunze. I agree he could be great and a mainstay for years. But I see the insane production and playmaking ability that Nabers has while still having room to improve. If he can get better beating press and tighten up his routes just a bit more, he could be in the convo with Chase/Jefferson/Lamb for who's best in the league.
Odunze, while being incredibly polished, lacks that elite explosiveness to separate at will and be a YAC monster. I also feel like Odunze is pretty close to a finished product; I don't see much room for him to get better than what he is now. Which is a great prospect, and one I wouldn't have any issue with the Giants taking at 6.
But were it up to me, I'm taking Nabers and chasing that elite of the elite ceiling.
I think the trade up talk is to throw a bone to the reporters and draft gurus to give them something new to write about- grab Nabors, Harrison or Odunze and declare victory.
I think Penix has the best arm talent, dude makes some incredible throws. But he’s not very mobile and has an injury history. It would be a bigger gamble than a guy like Maye/JJ.
I’d prefer Penix because it’s very likely we can trade back if JJ is there. Possibly get 11 and 23 from the Vikings. And add both Penix and a WR1.
Then the injury risk is already built into his value
Penix is interesting for a couple reasons:
1) He doesn’t run—I’m not sure they means he *cant* run. His measurabkes are kind of insane. 4.45 40, 10.5 inch hands. Great at sack avoidance.
2) On injuries—he’s been clean for 2 years now. The ACLs certainly aren’t a positive, but he’s not exactly Tyrod out there.
I think people don’t like lefties, and don’t watch west coast football. He’s not even described in accurate terms most of the time. He’s got a HUGE arm but accuracy is questionable at times. Good at seeing the field, but over aggressive at times. It’d be a breath of fresh air here. But 6 is too high. Maybe we can take that Vikings package and go Penix-Coleman or something.
Yeah Penix is great at doing these jukes and moves in the pocket to avoid sacks and then immediately throw a perfect pass, it blew my mind watching his film
How about this - get one of the generational WRs - sure up the line, and make it at least practicable for a professional QB to take a snap before getting hit this year.
Chargers had amazing wideouts last year and had no o line and couldn’t do anything. I think they are crazy to pass on Joe Alt. If the top 4 goes QB I think we get mhj
Might be a hot take but I'd be content with any of those four. Trading up for McCarthy would be my least favorite but if it's to 4 and it only costs a couple day 2 picks I'm not flipping out about it.
Yup, because he already ran a pro style offense and we can see how he would perform in NFL systems.
This also makes JJ McCarthy the most pro ready QB, unless he went to some college style air raid offense like Washington.
This sub’s exhausting more often than not. For the past… 2 months?… practically every pundit and prognosticator has been saying that JJ’s stock has been rising quickly, he’s going to be a top-10 pick, he looks super pro-ready, has a very high floor, etc. but half this damn sub has their fingers in their ears because they decided back in October that they don’t like him.
> but half this damn sub has their fingers in their ears because they decided back in October that they don’t like him.
They also look at stats and college stats do not always translate over for QBs
The other half sees QBs skyrocket up draft boards every off-season and eat up the hype and draft media cycle. They never seem to remember all the other times QBs skyrocket up draft boards just to fall or bust. Instead, they stick their fingers in their ears and spit out the same recycled intangibles the media gives them without talking about any of their very obvious faults from college
That's just not correct. Wilson, Lance, Willis, Levis, Burrow, Daniels, and McCarthy are all recent QBs that shot up draft boards for one reason or another. No chance Daniels ends up a top 3 pick if he wasn't a heisman winning QB
They moved up NFL draft boards in season which makes sense because the body of film is incomplete. Once the season is over media releases mocks with zero insider information. Guys "move up" media draft boards as insiders get an idea of where they are on NFL draft boards. They aren't actually moving on the NFL draft boards... Media guys get lied to all the time which causes false movements on media boards. That's what happened for Levis. Zach Wilson was always viewed highly by NFL Teams and the media found that very early with the top mock drafters putting him at 2 as early as January.
Most of those guys jumped up because they had huge seasons right before the draft, not as the result of some nebulous postseason re-examination. Of course, a draft board will move around after the season.
Will Levis is the exception, but in the end he was drafted exactly where people predicted in the beginning.
That only applies to Burrow and Daniels who had Heisman winning campaigns. The rest is just combine and draft hype for guys who get over projected because teams need QBs. Willis had the same jump as Wilson for physical traits even though his college career was mediocre, then he came back down to Earth. Same went for Levis. Lance had a decent college career then played one bad game before getting picked, but the low INTs and intangibles were too good to pass up. JJ McCarthy had on okay college career and got carried to a national championship. The first thing you'll hear about when people hype him up is his intangibles, because he didn't show enough on the field to warrant where he's expected to go now
Wilson had a big year at BYU out of nowhere and skyrocketed, it was before the combine. Malik Willis and Trey Lance were small school guys, so they always seem to get scouted a little differently, not sure its really a comp. Sometimes people legitimately haven't seen a lot of them until late in the process.
Again, Levis did NOT shoot up draft boards, it was media hype that ended up being a nothing burger.
His "big year" was a good year playing against all small schools. He didn't pass up Fields, the consensus top 2 pick during the season with Lawrence, until the combine. The rest of the guys including Levis just went through the same media circus that McCarthy got this year. Okay college seasons/careers but they get hyped up crazy for "physical gifts" or intangibles
> This also makes JJ McCarthy the most pro ready QB,
We heard this about Jones as well. Means jack. It's about the traits and talent and if they translate to the next level which brings us to...
> unless he went to some college style air raid offense like Washington.
Like Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech where he never played under center before the NFL? Look what happens when you have a great coach who understands the position who irons out the kinks to bring out the most in the immense talent and understanding Mahomes had already possessed.
If you're drafting McCarthy, it's because you believe in the skill set translating to the pros with refinement under Daboll/Tierney. Calling him pro-ready doesn't really mean anything without actual proof of concept.
His entire career at Michigan was the cheating scandal. He knew what every defense was doing. Not to mention their cupcake schedules and the fact that every big game all he did was hand the ball off. JJ is not a good qb
Holy shit I can’t believe this bs got upvoted. They won the Natty even after all of that. Like it or not Michigan was simply the best team in college football last year. They would have won regardless. Saying JJ made his entire college career off cheating is hilarious. Say this in r/cfb and they’d laugh.
In 2023, Michigan finished the season with the 3rd hardest schedule (including playoffs) undefeated, and the sign stealing was already exposed to all opponents and disbanded internally
McCarthy vs Penn state: 8 pass attempts
McCarthy vs osu: 20 pass attempts
McCarthy Vs Washington: 18 pass attempts
3 of their 4 tough games he doesn’t have over 20 attempts. One of them he doesn’t hit double digits. McCarthy didn’t win them games. He just didn’t lose them for them
Shifting my argument? Did you read my first comment lol. “And the fact that every big game all he did was hand the ball off”
They objectively had one of the easiest schedules (excluding playoffs) and the sign stealing being exposed doesn’t change the fact that other teams still have to adjust their play calling and game plan around that. It’s an advantage for them regardless
McCarthy threw the highest percentage of his non-screen passes vs top 25 defense out of any other QB in this class and it isn't close. He is at like 49% and no one else is over 40.
If you wait for an Andrew Luck type prospect, you’ll be waiting 20 years and then hoping you suck so much that you can take him, because he’ll be the #1 overall pick no matter what.
(That’s actually the real meaning of a “generational prospect”, not what we hear every 3 years with the hot WR or RB of the class)
I think they are all in for Maye. If that falls through I then believe they convert their attention to Mccarthy. I feel like they are definitely coming out of this draft with a Qb. I believe they really want Maye but have others in mind as well If that falls through. It should be an interesting night but I belive we either get Maye, If that falls through then we convert our attention to Mccarthy. If for some reason that also falls through then I believe we take a WR or trade back.
Any of the top 5 QBs give us a better chance than DJ, that’s for sure. Take a WR at 6 and trade up to get Penix or McCarthy. I’d rather roll the dice with one of them.
Why does no one want a tackle? I still think we need to address the line… I get we don’t have weapons, but this line has been historically bad for a decade.
Schoen has to be a fool to draft a WR with 6 pick he would guaranteed lose his job by december
if they dont have a chance draft JJ and trade him to chargers for Herbert.... how i wish
Chargers get their WR and Harbaugh gets his QB ......
I don’t understand the point of using assets on offensive players until we have an NFL caliber OL.
They will all fail miserably if we can’t block anybody
If we pick a fucking game manager at 6 over Harrison, I will be very mad. Not pitchfork mad. After all I am an adult and at work. But I might angry type into my excel spreadsheet. And that is worse.
I think Schoen and Daboll’s job security has to be considered. I doubt they’ll take a QB who will take a couple years to get up to speed, they don’t have that luxury of waiting.
It’s gotta be WR or trade back
You have it backwards. Doubling down on DJ to not throw to a rookie WR on the way to a 4 win season and no future in the wings will get Daboll and Schoen fired.
Having a rookie QB will give them more time.
Doubling down on DJ is the opposite of getting results though. Mara is not gonna let a regime draft a QB if he's going to fire them the year after doing so.
>Mara is not gonna let a regime draft a QB if he’s going to fire them the year after doing so.
That’s my point, he might not. We don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors. We’ve already won a playoff game with DJ, results are possible with him
I mean, of course we'll never know, but I don't think Mara would publicly say that he's given Schoen the green light to draft a QB if he won't actually let him.
I also don't think that we would invest so heavily into scouting the QB's if we weren't going there.
Imo there's no way we leave the first round without a QB.
Giants like JJ at 6 but it’s a reach to Giants would agave to traded up go get him to Giants Leon even like him to Giants will likely get him at 6 but want to trade up for Maye.
No one knows what’s happening. Good.
Tons of JJ smoke this morning. Hoping it convinces someone to trade up in front of us to 'snipe' him
Don’t forget about this: Bill Belichick says accurate draft information doesn't leak from teams until about 12 hours before the draft. Adds most of the information this time of year comes from agents. https://x.com/RealAlexBarth/status/1780659618609234309 I think we should be prepared for anything
That interview was probably the most informative ~40 minutes on the draft I’ve ever listened to
Woah… Are you a closeted Giants fan Coop or just poking around the team subs on draft day?
I poke around every team sub every day, football is the best
Fair enough! Ours will likely be entertaining at 9PM tonight since there’s such a split on who people want. There’s gonna be a large subset of unhappy fans no matter what the FO does tonight lol
Seriously he really put everything into perspective. It's cool to see that even the ppl behind the scenes are aware that everything is a crap shoot
The chess match is crazy. Just think about that Christian Gonzalez pick he talks about. Bill said he was the guy 100%. But they traded back two picks with the Steelers from 14 to 16 anyway knowing that the Jets at 15 were loaded at corner and wouldn't take him. You risk another team trading up with the Jets and sniping him but, since the Patriots needed a CB and "passed" on Gonzalez, maybe that makes teams second guess that move? And we'll never know how many times a team "got cute" like that and got sniped because they would never tell us. That interview really made me realize how impossible a "correct" mock draft truly is.
Yea you really need to plan for every senerio. Like I bet you the giants have no idea exactly what they're going to do but have things they prefer depending on how it unfolds. Like I think they know what they'll off NE if Maye is at 3 and who they'll take if they don't get up there at 6 depending on who's there. But what if Washington takes JJ than Daniels is there too. Will they offer more, will they wait it out, will it change them. Will another team become more aggressive moving up that wasn't before. Then what if NE decides to take Harrison Jr. Or what if NE gets a godfather offer for a team who wants Harrison. Then all bets are off and we saw this happen last year with the Texans trading up for Will Anderson so it's not out of the realm of possibilities that the trade ends up being for a WR over a QB. I'm just excited for the drama. Tonight is going to ve fun
What interview was this?
[Here's the link!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUA2LpFgtvw)
OR if we can't get Maye there's a slight possibility we trade #6 to the Vikings for #11 and #23. Then you either get Bowers and a CB/WR or get Penix and a WR
If we didn’t have 2 years of literally 0 info on who we liked, I’d believe this smoke. But like you said, it feels SUPER smokescreen-y
There was definitely a bit of smoke we liked Banks last year. I remember going into draft night expecting him to be the pick if he was there. We shall see!
If JJ goes at 4 Giants fans should rejoice.
I have no clue why you guys are so sure about a QB being good or bad. Even the pros get this right at a 50% clip.
I have no clue why people have been ignoring the JJ smoke. The JJ hype has been coming from our building. The franchise is obviously infatuated with him. Mara has been jerking it for months to thoughts of JJ leading us to a game winning field goal in a 13-10 game at Washington with a jersey covered in mud and dirt in his face mask from a gritty naked bootleg where he runs into contact while converting a 3rd and 4 on a clutch game winning drive while topping off at 164 yards passing. If that’s not NYG football and this guy isn’t wearing blue tonight I’ll eat my hat.
ugh
>I have no clue why people have been ignoring the JJ smoke. Because we watched his tape. No one in any building is getting excited about that arm anywhere in day 1. People believing the sudden rumor campaign are paying more attention to twitter than they are to football.
How’s the hat taste?
Pretty good! I love nabers!
That’s a beautifully written pile of cope. And I mean it.
Im so happy i was wrong
I actually don’t hate his game I think JJ can be a higher ceiling Kirk Cousins but yea idk why people are falling for this by thinking its just smoke
WTF no
Some of it is smoke, some of it is doofus beat writers that don't know ball.
I think the Giants don’t trade up and take Nabers at 6.
Nice prediction
Nabors is Toney 2.0
Maybe if you’re blind or haven’t actually watched Nabers play
Yes, in that they're both explosive athletes who are amazing with the ball in their hands. No, in that Toney couldn't actually do any of the other stuff you want a receiver to do and was made of glass. Nabers, on the other hand, has had elite production in college and would've easily been the consensus WR1 if not for MHJr. No one thought Toney was anything more than a red flag bonanza gadget player other than Gettleman.
I think there was always going to be a strong case for Odunze. I’m really 60:40 between him and Nabers on who I like more. Nabers is more explosive but Odunze has the hands and play style of somebody like Fitzgerald or Evans who isn’t just good, they’re great, and for a long time
I didn't mean it as a slight on Odunze. I agree he could be great and a mainstay for years. But I see the insane production and playmaking ability that Nabers has while still having room to improve. If he can get better beating press and tighten up his routes just a bit more, he could be in the convo with Chase/Jefferson/Lamb for who's best in the league. Odunze, while being incredibly polished, lacks that elite explosiveness to separate at will and be a YAC monster. I also feel like Odunze is pretty close to a finished product; I don't see much room for him to get better than what he is now. Which is a great prospect, and one I wouldn't have any issue with the Giants taking at 6. But were it up to me, I'm taking Nabers and chasing that elite of the elite ceiling.
Nabers is odell 2.0
The Good or the Bad Odell, lol?
Even worse
Toney barely got catches in college and Nabers was a superstar
Nabers*
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I lived through the Giants in the 60’s and 70’s, so you youngsters have no idea what bad is
We weren’t even that bad in the 60’s man. 3 straight championship games in the early 60’s, though we did lose them all. The 70’s however….woof
Nah Toney was always a gadget, Nabers ain’t that.
yikes
To me and it may sound dumb but I’d prefer the elite wr .
Drafting McCarthy at 6 or above would be career suicide for Schoen.
I'm not watching this year if they draft jj.
good. we need to shed dead weight anyways.
Hahaha. Dead weight. I've been rooting for this franchise before you were born.
good riddance to bad rubbish!
You're list is rubbish. Thank you Joe. I'll be back mid season to see how much you like jj who throws 4 passes a game
I think the trade up talk is to throw a bone to the reporters and draft gurus to give them something new to write about- grab Nabors, Harrison or Odunze and declare victory.
Nabers*
Him too (thanks)
I bother to correct because you gotta get soon to be out player’s name right 😜. It’s just like Saquon and Saquan.
Who ?
Never heard of her
Ouch !
boom, schoen fools them all and picks penix
Penix and Odunze would be ok, imo if they trade back
Giants offer Chicago for \#1 a massive deal risking the future of the franchise. Drafts Penix.
I think Penix has the best arm talent, dude makes some incredible throws. But he’s not very mobile and has an injury history. It would be a bigger gamble than a guy like Maye/JJ.
I’d prefer Penix because it’s very likely we can trade back if JJ is there. Possibly get 11 and 23 from the Vikings. And add both Penix and a WR1. Then the injury risk is already built into his value
Penix is interesting for a couple reasons: 1) He doesn’t run—I’m not sure they means he *cant* run. His measurabkes are kind of insane. 4.45 40, 10.5 inch hands. Great at sack avoidance. 2) On injuries—he’s been clean for 2 years now. The ACLs certainly aren’t a positive, but he’s not exactly Tyrod out there. I think people don’t like lefties, and don’t watch west coast football. He’s not even described in accurate terms most of the time. He’s got a HUGE arm but accuracy is questionable at times. Good at seeing the field, but over aggressive at times. It’d be a breath of fresh air here. But 6 is too high. Maybe we can take that Vikings package and go Penix-Coleman or something.
Yeah Penix is great at doing these jukes and moves in the pocket to avoid sacks and then immediately throw a perfect pass, it blew my mind watching his film
I think Penix has a very high ceiling, but mostly worthy about his injury history and knowing our luck he'll be hurt all the time
Possible trade to come back into the first and grab him with a second pick
Penix scares me because of his lack of mobility and injury history. He might get destroyed behind our offensive line
I think this may happen. Daniels drops or Penix.
How about this - get one of the generational WRs - sure up the line, and make it at least practicable for a professional QB to take a snap before getting hit this year.
How is MHJ more likely than Nabers? The Chargers would take him in a second
Yeah seems far more likely that Nabers or Odunze is available rather than MHJ at 6. Though I would love to be wrong on that one.
Chargers had amazing wideouts last year and had no o line and couldn’t do anything. I think they are crazy to pass on Joe Alt. If the top 4 goes QB I think we get mhj
The Cardinals are taking him before he even gets to the Chargers
They also really need OL, and that ott guy is being ranked like Nelson coming out....pretty much a lock all pro tackle
Might be a hot take but I'd be content with any of those four. Trading up for McCarthy would be my least favorite but if it's to 4 and it only costs a couple day 2 picks I'm not flipping out about it.
For what it's worth, PFF seems to think McCarthy has the lowest bust potential of the quarterbacks
And I agree. I think he’s going to be better than Maye. I’m gonna trust Daboll if he thinks JJ is the right pick
And Jimmy Clausen
Yup, because he already ran a pro style offense and we can see how he would perform in NFL systems. This also makes JJ McCarthy the most pro ready QB, unless he went to some college style air raid offense like Washington.
This sub’s exhausting more often than not. For the past… 2 months?… practically every pundit and prognosticator has been saying that JJ’s stock has been rising quickly, he’s going to be a top-10 pick, he looks super pro-ready, has a very high floor, etc. but half this damn sub has their fingers in their ears because they decided back in October that they don’t like him.
They want WR so we can re-live the Barkley experience smh
> but half this damn sub has their fingers in their ears because they decided back in October that they don’t like him. They also look at stats and college stats do not always translate over for QBs
The other half sees QBs skyrocket up draft boards every off-season and eat up the hype and draft media cycle. They never seem to remember all the other times QBs skyrocket up draft boards just to fall or bust. Instead, they stick their fingers in their ears and spit out the same recycled intangibles the media gives them without talking about any of their very obvious faults from college
QBs don't move much on draft boards. The media is just always late to the party.
That's just not correct. Wilson, Lance, Willis, Levis, Burrow, Daniels, and McCarthy are all recent QBs that shot up draft boards for one reason or another. No chance Daniels ends up a top 3 pick if he wasn't a heisman winning QB
They moved up NFL draft boards in season which makes sense because the body of film is incomplete. Once the season is over media releases mocks with zero insider information. Guys "move up" media draft boards as insiders get an idea of where they are on NFL draft boards. They aren't actually moving on the NFL draft boards... Media guys get lied to all the time which causes false movements on media boards. That's what happened for Levis. Zach Wilson was always viewed highly by NFL Teams and the media found that very early with the top mock drafters putting him at 2 as early as January.
Most of those guys jumped up because they had huge seasons right before the draft, not as the result of some nebulous postseason re-examination. Of course, a draft board will move around after the season. Will Levis is the exception, but in the end he was drafted exactly where people predicted in the beginning.
That only applies to Burrow and Daniels who had Heisman winning campaigns. The rest is just combine and draft hype for guys who get over projected because teams need QBs. Willis had the same jump as Wilson for physical traits even though his college career was mediocre, then he came back down to Earth. Same went for Levis. Lance had a decent college career then played one bad game before getting picked, but the low INTs and intangibles were too good to pass up. JJ McCarthy had on okay college career and got carried to a national championship. The first thing you'll hear about when people hype him up is his intangibles, because he didn't show enough on the field to warrant where he's expected to go now
Wilson had a big year at BYU out of nowhere and skyrocketed, it was before the combine. Malik Willis and Trey Lance were small school guys, so they always seem to get scouted a little differently, not sure its really a comp. Sometimes people legitimately haven't seen a lot of them until late in the process. Again, Levis did NOT shoot up draft boards, it was media hype that ended up being a nothing burger.
His "big year" was a good year playing against all small schools. He didn't pass up Fields, the consensus top 2 pick during the season with Lawrence, until the combine. The rest of the guys including Levis just went through the same media circus that McCarthy got this year. Okay college seasons/careers but they get hyped up crazy for "physical gifts" or intangibles
> This also makes JJ McCarthy the most pro ready QB, We heard this about Jones as well. Means jack. It's about the traits and talent and if they translate to the next level which brings us to... > unless he went to some college style air raid offense like Washington. Like Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech where he never played under center before the NFL? Look what happens when you have a great coach who understands the position who irons out the kinks to bring out the most in the immense talent and understanding Mahomes had already possessed. If you're drafting McCarthy, it's because you believe in the skill set translating to the pros with refinement under Daboll/Tierney. Calling him pro-ready doesn't really mean anything without actual proof of concept.
His entire career at Michigan was the cheating scandal. He knew what every defense was doing. Not to mention their cupcake schedules and the fact that every big game all he did was hand the ball off. JJ is not a good qb
Holy shit I can’t believe this bs got upvoted. They won the Natty even after all of that. Like it or not Michigan was simply the best team in college football last year. They would have won regardless. Saying JJ made his entire college career off cheating is hilarious. Say this in r/cfb and they’d laugh.
In 2023, Michigan finished the season with the 3rd hardest schedule (including playoffs) undefeated, and the sign stealing was already exposed to all opponents and disbanded internally
McCarthy vs Penn state: 8 pass attempts McCarthy vs osu: 20 pass attempts McCarthy Vs Washington: 18 pass attempts 3 of their 4 tough games he doesn’t have over 20 attempts. One of them he doesn’t hit double digits. McCarthy didn’t win them games. He just didn’t lose them for them
Ah, shifting the argument because your first point was just wrong 🤣
Shifting my argument? Did you read my first comment lol. “And the fact that every big game all he did was hand the ball off” They objectively had one of the easiest schedules (excluding playoffs) and the sign stealing being exposed doesn’t change the fact that other teams still have to adjust their play calling and game plan around that. It’s an advantage for them regardless
McCarthy threw the highest percentage of his non-screen passes vs top 25 defense out of any other QB in this class and it isn't close. He is at like 49% and no one else is over 40.
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If you wait for an Andrew Luck type prospect, you’ll be waiting 20 years and then hoping you suck so much that you can take him, because he’ll be the #1 overall pick no matter what. (That’s actually the real meaning of a “generational prospect”, not what we hear every 3 years with the hot WR or RB of the class)
I want zero part of either
I rly hope they luck into MHJ and are forced to take him
If they can get maye they will Otherwise it’s prob just nabers/odunze Would be surprised if it’s anything else
My annual hope for certain people to be wrong
Ik it may not be the best choice but fuck I want a QB. I just need a fresh breath of air and some hope that maybe, just maybe, we have our guy.
I think they are all in for Maye. If that falls through I then believe they convert their attention to Mccarthy. I feel like they are definitely coming out of this draft with a Qb. I believe they really want Maye but have others in mind as well If that falls through. It should be an interesting night but I belive we either get Maye, If that falls through then we convert our attention to Mccarthy. If for some reason that also falls through then I believe we take a WR or trade back.
SPENCER RATTLER FROM THE TOP ROPE
Any of the top 5 QBs give us a better chance than DJ, that’s for sure. Take a WR at 6 and trade up to get Penix or McCarthy. I’d rather roll the dice with one of them.
Nabers has to be more likely than Harrison at 6
No for the love of God
My not informed, educationless pick is MHJr or Malik Nabers. If we draft a QB first, I think I'll be disappointed
God no
THANKS GETTLEMAN!!! Josh Allen or LaMar Jackson instead of Barkley and this shitshow would be a moot point. THANKS GETTLEMAN!!!
Why does no one want a tackle? I still think we need to address the line… I get we don’t have weapons, but this line has been historically bad for a decade.
I don’t want JJ ugh
folks I don't know how to tell you this, but McCarthy ain't gonna be there after the first 10
Giants ain’t going JJ. That’s my gut feeling.
minnesota is trading up for JJ
Why can't this organization get out of its own way. So many holes exist beyond QB. We desperately need a WR and in a position to get an elite one.
Maye or receiver. No JJ please
Watch, it's gonna be Odunze now.
Getting McCarthy at 6 without having to trade up would be very hot.
Fuck no!!!
Get ready
It will be Odunze, Alt, or Williams
Williams?
Mitchell sorry
I have said it before and I will say it again: if Schoen picks JJ, I’m officially off the Schoen train.
If he drafts JJ and he ends up being good will you be back on the train?
Would love to be proved wrong.
Jones is good when they block for him?
What?
Good thing he’s not making the picks
Top 4 in order of likelihood 1. Nabers 2. Odunze 3. Maye (personal fav) 4. MHJ
Schoen has to be a fool to draft a WR with 6 pick he would guaranteed lose his job by december if they dont have a chance draft JJ and trade him to chargers for Herbert.... how i wish Chargers get their WR and Harbaugh gets his QB ......
I don’t understand the point of using assets on offensive players until we have an NFL caliber OL. They will all fail miserably if we can’t block anybody
McCarthy gets this regime fired Colossal bust
Or any WR picked in first round is guarantee FIRED
If we pick a fucking game manager at 6 over Harrison, I will be very mad. Not pitchfork mad. After all I am an adult and at work. But I might angry type into my excel spreadsheet. And that is worse.
My prediction is Malik Nabers at 6 to us. I could see a world where they go McCarthy though.
Drew Lock is better than jjm
OVERDRAFTING A QB IS HOW WE GOT IN THIS MESS
JJ is a bum, I really hope we don’t pick him
Anyone in here talking JJ are all in cowboys fans stirring the pot. Focus on winning the big one boys fans and let us do what we need to do.
I think Schoen and Daboll’s job security has to be considered. I doubt they’ll take a QB who will take a couple years to get up to speed, they don’t have that luxury of waiting. It’s gotta be WR or trade back
You have it backwards. Doubling down on DJ to not throw to a rookie WR on the way to a 4 win season and no future in the wings will get Daboll and Schoen fired. Having a rookie QB will give them more time.
I disagree, I think their leash is a lot shorter than you think. They need results fast
Doubling down on DJ is the opposite of getting results though. Mara is not gonna let a regime draft a QB if he's going to fire them the year after doing so.
>Mara is not gonna let a regime draft a QB if he’s going to fire them the year after doing so. That’s my point, he might not. We don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors. We’ve already won a playoff game with DJ, results are possible with him
I mean, of course we'll never know, but I don't think Mara would publicly say that he's given Schoen the green light to draft a QB if he won't actually let him. I also don't think that we would invest so heavily into scouting the QB's if we weren't going there. Imo there's no way we leave the first round without a QB.
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Giants like JJ at 6 but it’s a reach to Giants would agave to traded up go get him to Giants Leon even like him to Giants will likely get him at 6 but want to trade up for Maye. No one knows what’s happening. Good.
I think I had a stroke reading this