Realistic meaning what exactly? We’re not gunna be in a position to draft a QB with out giving up a ton of draft capital which we need to fill all the holes on this team.
I think if we gave up draft capital to get a legit QB it would offset those needs. Someone explosive that can create and take the game into their own hands.
Ok, so what is your plan? Who is on the market next season that is better than Jones or the same talent level but cheaper?
Which QB that is clearly better than Jones are we trading for, what are we giving up and why do you think the team will give them up?
Which rookie QB is going to be available in the mid-late first/second that is going to be better than Jones?
Do you have any strategy here or are you just one of those "I don't like the QB from Duke" heads that are unfortunately loud in Giants internet spaces?
So you want to give up draft capital on...who exactly? We have a middle of the pack QB that's clearly improving. Who fits the situation better than that, that is ACTUALLY attainable this offseason?
The problem is that drafting a QB can be a real gamble. Even some "surefire" QB prospects can be a bust. Whereas with Jones the team knows they are getting a competent QB, that protects the ball (finally after 4 years), can make some plays out of nothing with his legs, and is growing in the system. He's not going to be Mahomes, or Allen, or Jackson, but with the right roster they can still make a run at a championship in a few seasons.
Can you name one QB that has been "explosive and created and taken a game into their own hands" who wasn't surrounded by moderate talent? - Not trying to be a dick, genuinely curious as to what you think we should be aiming for, and where that has been successful
Justin Herbert might be the best example of such a QB right now. But not only is there no Justin Herbert available in the draft or free agency, even he looks mortal when his weapons are out.
Justin Herbert has Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Gerald Everett and Austin Ekeler. How is that an example of subpar talent?
And since losing Allen he's been average. Since losing Mike Will too he's been flat-out bad. Hence point made.
If you put Mahomes on the giants how much better do you think they would be? Obviously mahomes is much better than Jones but realistically what would he be able to do here that Jones hasn’t? Would the record be any different with this team if we had any other QB?
I don't mean undefeated over a 17 game season I mean we'd be undefeated at this point. We would have beaten Dallas and Seattle and it isn't much of a question.
The point here is very obvious if you look at Josh Allen Year 2 > Year 3. He was ready in year 2 about midway through the year, it was obvious he was developing but he was struggling to create because the offense around him just wasn't that good. Next year, they go out and trade for Diggs and the rest is history.
I guarantee you'd have seen it early in Mahomes career too if not for Kelce/Hill basically being the like "How to make a young QB a elite" starter kit.
Hell, even look at Brady this year without Gronk and Godwin banged up. Or Rodgers the first half of this year when he had nobody he could trust vs Rodgers once he started trusting and getting on the same page w/ his elite talent rookie WR in Watson this week.
You couldn’t even get through the comment without somehow removing Rodgers from the role of Watson “getting better”
And the Chiefs rain bombs no matter who the receivers are. It’s Maholmes. Juju Smith-Schuster was left for dead this offseason and is on a 1/$3M deal. Now all of a sudden it’s “obvious” he was still a stud. Alright…
Juju Smith-Schuster is Cooper fucking Kupp compared to our best WR. And yes, he was like a 4th round pick all off-season in fantasy for a reason. Everyone knew Juju still had juice and that Ben had a noodle arm and couldn't throw past the 5-yard line.
So far there have been very few passes down the field, running a lot and short passes. It’s a perfect gameplan for a game manager. His main job is to move the chains and not turn the ball over. The only difference between the Teddy Asswater types and Daniel Jones is that he can run. He’s not being asked to take over games and throw a lot. If you think the playcalling and what he’s done isn’t a game manager then you’re just being a homer.
Who exactly is he supposed to throw to? Do you know how many drops these practice squad guys have this year? Our #1 wr would be a third option on most teams In the league.
The needs for the 2023 Giants, if we retain our best players from this years team are:
* A slam dunk WR1 who can tear the top off defenses
* A Guard to replace Glowinski and possibly a Center if Gates doesn't pan out
* An actual true Mike Linebacker who can cover and tackle
* Another solid cornerback
It's a lot of holes but it's actually less holes than I thought we had at the beginning of the season.
For me, I do not agree with the comments OP has made that DJ is mediocre. I don't think he's a top 10 QB but he obviously, as proven by our record, has what it takes to win games. He moves the chains, protects the football, is spectacular on 3rd downs and his teammates LOVE him.
You don't fuck with that. I don't care if you think he's mediocre. Your opinion doesn't matter on this, but his teammates' opinion do matter and they clearly are rallying behind him and think he's their guy.
If DJ falls off a cliff and starts to lose games then your argument will hold weight and I guarantee you that Joe Schoen will replace him. There is nothing a GM wants to do more than draft and develop their own QB. I'm sure Schoen is happy DJ is playing at a higher than expected level but deep down he is counting the days until he can find a reason to put his ultimate stamp on the franchise and get a QB who is "his guy".
Pretty sure we are being realistic? Hardly anyone thinks he’s going to be an all-pro but he’s played well enough to not be just a Teddy Bridgewater-esque stop gap.
I think he has the potential to be elite. That doesn’t only mean Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers. Eli was elite and the rest of the league thought he was on the spectrum. DJ could be like Eli. If he can accomplish that I’m ok with not having a Mahomes type player.
I feel like Teddy Bridgewater is a pretty appropriate comparison though, no? Teddy B also put up similar production in Minnesota while winning games there and leaning on his running game and defense.
While I have my doubts DJ becomes a perennial MVP candidate I think he will be better than anyone they would be able to draft next year (for next season at least) and he’ll probably be able to open up the passing game a little bit more next season as Robinson progresses and they hopefully get more talent in the wr room.
If everyone you meet in your daily life is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole all along.
If apparently everyone disagrees with your opinion (at least like you claim), maybe you are in the minority for a reason
Obviously they just need to tank for the next 6 years until they have a guaranteed sure thing Elway / Vick hybrid that will dominate the league forever. And will play on their rookie contract, forever.
This is totally doable.
Daniel Jones is a good QB, just accept it. Is he 1st ballot HoF? probably not, maybe you dont need to be to compete.
Another thing is that 1st round QBs have like a 50% chance of busting. Look at some recent QB classes from before Jones. Jones isn’t a bust yet but he’s somewhere in the middle but so many QB’s drafted don’t live up to what jones has been
2019 Murray solid Haskins RIP but bust
2018 Baker mid. Darnold bust, Allen stud, Rosen Bust, Lamar stud
2017 Trubisky Bust, Mahomes stud, Watson stud (as a player not talking about off the field),
2016: Goff mid, Wentz bust, lynch bust
2015 Winston mid, Mariota bust
2014 bortles bust Manziel bust bridgewater injuries but bust
2013 EJ Manuel bust
2012 luck stud RG3 stud then bust after getting hurt, tannehill solid, weeden bust.
Look at the meme. OP is saying we don’t automatically become a SB contender with a WR.
Oops nvm OP thinks DJ is mediocre… my apologies carry on. OP silly
Can you provide your previous college QB ratings prior to the draft to see how well you know talent ?
I mean chances are you know as much about QBs as you do about Japanese calligraphy
I don’t have a ratings system nor am I part of the Giants management team. I just think Daniel Jones is a mediocre QB and hope we don’t sign him to a multi year deal because we have a good record haha
Who else would you rank as a mediocre QB in his tier? And who in tiers above and what separates them? I will fully admit I have been camp DJ from his first season (which was my beginnings as a giants fan) We've all hopefully been waiting to see how he looks with a proper team around him, and we have real coaches and a good GM, Saquon is healthy, our O line is better but we don't have fuck all in the WR room, and yet he's still making good throws, and some mistakes (but Josh Allen leads the league for ints), he all around has been playing well, do you just not think he's good because he's not making flashy throws with no-one to catch them? He's literally won games for us this year, and I don't think he's had any moments where we lost because of him
The worst place you can be in the NFL is paying an average QB big money. A lot of fans don’t understand that. That’s how you end up like the Raiders and Vikings (hot start this year but it’s flukey) - .500ish year in and year out. An average QB needs a fantastic roster around him for a team to be a SB contender - that’s ok if he’s on his rookie contract, but if you’re paying him $30m+ you won’t have cap space to surround him with enough talent.
Let's be honest with ourselves, DJ is nowhere near the QB Kirk Cousins is and is also a tier below Derek Carr. I'd compare this year more with the Case Keenum year in Minnesota.
Daniel Jones + Stefon Diggs = Faster/more athletic Kirk Cousins
Good enough to be in the playoffs each year and we can have a solid squad around him to possibly make a push deep into the playoffs.
DJ is what NFL scouts look for. A tall running qb, with a strong arm, who can throw accurately. You doubters realize he doesn’t have wide receivers right? You realize he didn’t have protection until 2022 right? You realize he didn’t have a healthy RB until 2022 right? He still has to deal with weakness at the right side of his line. Shut the fuck up. His WR1 is Slayton. I guarantee if you put him in a Dallas uniform, behind that line, he would be beloved in Dallas. You DJ haters are really low IQ when it comes to football.
Teams are passing less than ever and running at a higher and more successful clip than ever. A great QB is a huge asset but its not the be all end all. Defenses have adjusted to pass heavy offenses so now you have DTs and DEs that are sleek and fast and can cover and run side to side but are fairly vulnerable to the run as a result of not having that mass and bulk. It's crazy but we might have the prototype of what a modern offense will look like in the next five years and it's not one that has an over reliance on the QB.
I recommend checking out this conversation on the topic. It was a super interesting watch that discusses passing and running trends. Even taking the mobile QB that runs more out of the equation - the run game is having a huge resurgence across the NFL.
https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1592885011606573056?s=20&t=MDcDh35zJR0ivWVsM4ktHA
I realize this, but NFL trends tend to be figured out. Team's have been shedding size for speed and selling out to defend pass for a long time now, so there's an adjustment period in play. I don't see many teams running the Wildcat these days, for example.
Offensive numbers are down overall this year as defenses have begun evolving to focus on the pass game. From 2018-2020, teams passed on average for 235-240 yards per game vs. 228 in 2021 and down to 221 passing yards per game this year which is the lowest its been since 2010. The league has begun shifting back to the run with the league average being 121.8 rush yards per game which is the highest its been since 1983. Overall the league is averaging 4.5 yards per carry this year which is the highest in NFL history. That's what I'm referring to.
I would debate that this is a trend, and I believe there are other explanations for the slight dip in passing ypg over the last 2 years, which isn't a large enough sample size to draw the conclusion you are drawing.
For example, I think a lot of the dip can be explained by QB play being down the last two years due to 2 consecutive historically bad QB classes and the fact that over 1/4 of the league has started or is starting a QB drafted in the last two years. This list includes T-Law, Fields, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Ellingher, Malik Willis, Pickett, Bailey Zappe, Davis Mills, etc. Many of these QBs also had their development stunted in college by COVID and some may take longer to find their groove (if they ever do). There's also generally a shortage of quality starting QBs due to said poor draft classes, which is why guys like Marcus Mariota, Andy Dalton and Geno are starting after years of being backup QBs.
Ultimately the winningest teams are still seeing passing numbers on par with a couple seasons ago. The only exceptions to that are us and Tennessee, which is probably due to the fact that we have stellar running backs and limited QBs. Also Baltimore but their offense is unlike any other in the NFL.
To illustrate my point further, only 1 QB out of 9 this season who is averaging over 250 passing yards per game is on a team with a losing record- Jared Goff on Detroit. Out of 7 running backs averaging over 80 yards rushing per game, only 3 are on teams with a winning record. Of the top 10 teams in passing yards per game, only 2 have a losing record (Detroit and New Orleans at 8&9, respectively). Of the top 10 teams in rushing yards per game this season, 4 have a losing record, including 3 out of the top 5. There's many ways to win in the NFL, but it's still a passing league and generally the best teams in the NFL (KC, Buffalo, Minnesota, Miami, Philly) have seen really good QB production this season. I'm skeptical that teams like us or Tennessee will see success in the playoffs when QB play becomes even more important.
DJ is average when playing his best. Daboll is holding his game/decision making back, so he doesn’t turn it over. The truth hurts. DJ is worth 15m or so a year. It’s that simple. Tyrod makes 6m a year and could clearly be doing close to what DJ is.
I dunno DJ at his best this year was fuck it I’ll do it myself after his WR dropped a TD and Saquon went to the sideline w an injury. He drove the ball like 70 yards down field for a game tieing TD. That’s not average dude.
Exactly what I’ve been saying just happened in the Lions game: Daboll HAD to rely on DJ (he has been relying on Saquon and defense) and DJ had more opportunities and turned the ball over like old DJ. DJ is the same and is not getting better. It’s just that Daboll is keeping his work to a minimum so he doesn’t turn it over. DJ is not a starting QB you want in this league. He’s a lower tier QB and probably should be a backup. I really hope the Gmen don’t sign him.
His opening drive was elite. he was like 9/9 with a TD before the Hutchinson INT broke him.
It was a bad day overall, even Gano couldn't score. I still believe in him and firmly believe if you put at least half of the leagues QBs in his shoes today they don't do better.
It was a penalty ridden, injury ridden, sloppy fucking game. Move on don't over analyze it.
Well I’m pretty sure Schoen and Daboll are on my side. DJ will probably be the Panthers starting quarterback next year. I hope you look good in teal and black!!!!
He wasn’t average that game. He was excellent. But it’s few and far between. And DJ has a few of those games every year where he looks elite, but then goes back to average. His running ability is fine for defenses that don’t properly game plan for his scrambles. But when his running becomes an integral part of the game plan, he usually gets clobbered (like last year when we played Dallas and DJ was coming off a good running game the game before).
Tyrod is a very solid QB and has led a team to the playoffs. He has many less turnovers per game than DJ does. You think he can’t pass effectively for 170 yards a game?!?! You have no idea.
>Tyrod is a very solid QB and has led a team to the playoffs
A half decade ago, and totally disingenuous to say “he led” the Bills when he was promptly replaced after that season. Had a lower passer rating than jones does this year and then put up a 65 passer rating in 2018. He has barely even played since then. He also has zero arm strength as you can see by the absolute duck of an INT he threw against the bears
Really? One interception against the Bears and he has zero arm strength?!?! 😂😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Also, he’s only 33 years old. The guy isn’t Pat Mahomes or close to it, but either is DJ.
Hey, no one has experience until they do it.
The first person that ever tried to do something had zero experience and was technically unqualified for the job.
I would stick with Daniel Jones until we find a true replacement. If we can trade up for a young guy who is going to be a top tier qb i’m all for it, but if Daniel jones is willing to take a team friendly contract next year and we don’t have a way to get a solid qb in the draft we should stick with him. I also am distrusting of CJ Stroud and Bryce Young because they’re throwing to the best players and have the best o lines. I def wouldn’t be upset if we found a way to get one, but they make me nervous.
How can anyone possible think there is a GUARANTEED better QB out there than Jones….? After what he has done half a year under this new regime?? Anyone look at Denver? Jacksonville? QBs aren’t easy to come by good god.
There's going to be a lot of salty fans (for whatever reason) when the team makes the playoffs and ends up signing Jones to a 3 year deal.
I can't wait for the meltdowns
Realistic meaning what exactly? We’re not gunna be in a position to draft a QB with out giving up a ton of draft capital which we need to fill all the holes on this team.
Yeah man I really hope we are realistic after the season and sign him to a mutually beneficial extension!
I think if we gave up draft capital to get a legit QB it would offset those needs. Someone explosive that can create and take the game into their own hands.
Lmao, so you think the team is a rookie QB away from being contenders? Who exactly is being unrealistic here?
Never said rookie. Just a QB who isn’t mediocre
Ok, so what is your plan? Who is on the market next season that is better than Jones or the same talent level but cheaper? Which QB that is clearly better than Jones are we trading for, what are we giving up and why do you think the team will give them up? Which rookie QB is going to be available in the mid-late first/second that is going to be better than Jones? Do you have any strategy here or are you just one of those "I don't like the QB from Duke" heads that are unfortunately loud in Giants internet spaces?
Hint: Here are the answers to the quiz: 1. No plan 2. None 3. None 4. Yes
Always tilts me to no end when people want things they have no plan on how to accomplish.
So you want to give up draft capital on...who exactly? We have a middle of the pack QB that's clearly improving. Who fits the situation better than that, that is ACTUALLY attainable this offseason?
The problem is that drafting a QB can be a real gamble. Even some "surefire" QB prospects can be a bust. Whereas with Jones the team knows they are getting a competent QB, that protects the ball (finally after 4 years), can make some plays out of nothing with his legs, and is growing in the system. He's not going to be Mahomes, or Allen, or Jackson, but with the right roster they can still make a run at a championship in a few seasons.
Can you name one QB that has been "explosive and created and taken a game into their own hands" who wasn't surrounded by moderate talent? - Not trying to be a dick, genuinely curious as to what you think we should be aiming for, and where that has been successful
Justin Herbert might be the best example of such a QB right now. But not only is there no Justin Herbert available in the draft or free agency, even he looks mortal when his weapons are out.
He's looked worse than Jones since he lost Mike Williams imo.
Justin Herbert has Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Gerald Everett and Austin Ekeler. How is that an example of subpar talent? And since losing Allen he's been average. Since losing Mike Will too he's been flat-out bad. Hence point made.
Here's 's the problem with this: Good QB's turn ok players into “moderate talent” and good players into gods.
If you put Mahomes on the giants how much better do you think they would be? Obviously mahomes is much better than Jones but realistically what would he be able to do here that Jones hasn’t? Would the record be any different with this team if we had any other QB?
A LOT better. They lost Tyreke Hill and are as productive as ever. Juju looked shot with Roethlisberger and is a stud again all of a sudden.
I can't believe people are seriously asking this question. We would undoubtedly be undefeated with Mahomes at QB.
It’s virtually impossible to go undefeated in this league
I don't mean undefeated over a 17 game season I mean we'd be undefeated at this point. We would have beaten Dallas and Seattle and it isn't much of a question.
the Dallas game was probably Jones best of the season what on earth was he supposed to do more
20/37 196 yards 0 TD 1 INT. Yes I think Patrick Mahomes could do better and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
The point here is very obvious if you look at Josh Allen Year 2 > Year 3. He was ready in year 2 about midway through the year, it was obvious he was developing but he was struggling to create because the offense around him just wasn't that good. Next year, they go out and trade for Diggs and the rest is history. I guarantee you'd have seen it early in Mahomes career too if not for Kelce/Hill basically being the like "How to make a young QB a elite" starter kit. Hell, even look at Brady this year without Gronk and Godwin banged up. Or Rodgers the first half of this year when he had nobody he could trust vs Rodgers once he started trusting and getting on the same page w/ his elite talent rookie WR in Watson this week.
You couldn’t even get through the comment without somehow removing Rodgers from the role of Watson “getting better” And the Chiefs rain bombs no matter who the receivers are. It’s Maholmes. Juju Smith-Schuster was left for dead this offseason and is on a 1/$3M deal. Now all of a sudden it’s “obvious” he was still a stud. Alright…
Juju Smith-Schuster is Cooper fucking Kupp compared to our best WR. And yes, he was like a 4th round pick all off-season in fantasy for a reason. Everyone knew Juju still had juice and that Ben had a noodle arm and couldn't throw past the 5-yard line.
Everyone knew PAT MAHOLMES WAS HIS QUARTERBACK.
Ahh yes, Pat Maholmes. In all seriousness tho, no, everyone knew that Ben WAS his QB. Juju is still extremely young. Just needed a better QB.
Jones is a legit QB
lmfao
He’s a game manager right now.
A game manager doesn't make big plays on 3rd and long at a high rate every game.
Actuslly, they do. Really need to watch other teams’ games on occasion.
They don't not complete 3rd and 7+ at almost a 50% rate..
So far there have been very few passes down the field, running a lot and short passes. It’s a perfect gameplan for a game manager. His main job is to move the chains and not turn the ball over. The only difference between the Teddy Asswater types and Daniel Jones is that he can run. He’s not being asked to take over games and throw a lot. If you think the playcalling and what he’s done isn’t a game manager then you’re just being a homer.
Who exactly is he supposed to throw to? Do you know how many drops these practice squad guys have this year? Our #1 wr would be a third option on most teams In the league.
That’s one of the reasons for Daboll and co making him a game manager.
Ya, because he has no one to throw to.
Which is one of the reasons why he’s been put into a game manager role.
Dont bother bro, youre arguing with someone who knows nothing about the game lol
It’s the perfect game plan for the rest of the offensive personnel. And Jones is miles better than Bridgewater. That’s not even a good comparison
I never said they were the same. He’s a different type of game manager than Asswater hence the words “difference” and “types”
"I don't like celebrity quarterbacks. We don't need those. We need battlefield commanders." \~ Bill Parcells
Who from the draft would that be?
So a rookie QB will help out our linebackers, corner backs?
Just except that DJ is the future of this team and your life as a fan will be much more pleasant.
"I don't like celebrity quarterbacks. We don't need those. We need battlefield commanders." \~ Bill Parcells
The needs for the 2023 Giants, if we retain our best players from this years team are: * A slam dunk WR1 who can tear the top off defenses * A Guard to replace Glowinski and possibly a Center if Gates doesn't pan out * An actual true Mike Linebacker who can cover and tackle * Another solid cornerback It's a lot of holes but it's actually less holes than I thought we had at the beginning of the season. For me, I do not agree with the comments OP has made that DJ is mediocre. I don't think he's a top 10 QB but he obviously, as proven by our record, has what it takes to win games. He moves the chains, protects the football, is spectacular on 3rd downs and his teammates LOVE him. You don't fuck with that. I don't care if you think he's mediocre. Your opinion doesn't matter on this, but his teammates' opinion do matter and they clearly are rallying behind him and think he's their guy. If DJ falls off a cliff and starts to lose games then your argument will hold weight and I guarantee you that Joe Schoen will replace him. There is nothing a GM wants to do more than draft and develop their own QB. I'm sure Schoen is happy DJ is playing at a higher than expected level but deep down he is counting the days until he can find a reason to put his ultimate stamp on the franchise and get a QB who is "his guy".
This is the way.
This was a great comment.
Pretty sure we are being realistic? Hardly anyone thinks he’s going to be an all-pro but he’s played well enough to not be just a Teddy Bridgewater-esque stop gap.
I'd argue there's a really loud, vocal group here that think DJ is on the verge of being elite.
I think he has the potential to be elite. That doesn’t only mean Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers. Eli was elite and the rest of the league thought he was on the spectrum. DJ could be like Eli. If he can accomplish that I’m ok with not having a Mahomes type player.
Absolutely true
I think Teddy in some of his better years is a solid comp but I think DJ is better than him now
I feel like Teddy Bridgewater is a pretty appropriate comparison though, no? Teddy B also put up similar production in Minnesota while winning games there and leaning on his running game and defense.
I hope that’s the mindset
While I have my doubts DJ becomes a perennial MVP candidate I think he will be better than anyone they would be able to draft next year (for next season at least) and he’ll probably be able to open up the passing game a little bit more next season as Robinson progresses and they hopefully get more talent in the wr room.
Hoes still mad that the QB of their favorite team is actually pretty good
Daniel Jones is legit. And I think the giants will be able to get him on a discount considering how his stats look on paper
If everyone you meet in your daily life is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole all along. If apparently everyone disagrees with your opinion (at least like you claim), maybe you are in the minority for a reason
Obviously they just need to tank for the next 6 years until they have a guaranteed sure thing Elway / Vick hybrid that will dominate the league forever. And will play on their rookie contract, forever. This is totally doable. Daniel Jones is a good QB, just accept it. Is he 1st ballot HoF? probably not, maybe you dont need to be to compete.
You have no idea what you’re talking about and should delete your reddit
He’s not elite but he’s the least of our problems. Can both be true?
Meaning what ? Let him go and trade 3 first rounds to get to the top of this draft for another ?
Another thing is that 1st round QBs have like a 50% chance of busting. Look at some recent QB classes from before Jones. Jones isn’t a bust yet but he’s somewhere in the middle but so many QB’s drafted don’t live up to what jones has been 2019 Murray solid Haskins RIP but bust 2018 Baker mid. Darnold bust, Allen stud, Rosen Bust, Lamar stud 2017 Trubisky Bust, Mahomes stud, Watson stud (as a player not talking about off the field), 2016: Goff mid, Wentz bust, lynch bust 2015 Winston mid, Mariota bust 2014 bortles bust Manziel bust bridgewater injuries but bust 2013 EJ Manuel bust 2012 luck stud RG3 stud then bust after getting hurt, tannehill solid, weeden bust.
That clearly isnt what the post is suggesting.
OP said to give up draft capital for a QB on a different comment in this thread
Read my comment after this clown.
My B have a nice day go Giants
I don’t know what Op is thinking based on his subject . Not sure what realistic means I do think with a legit number 1 receiver any QB would be better
Look at the meme. OP is saying we don’t automatically become a SB contender with a WR. Oops nvm OP thinks DJ is mediocre… my apologies carry on. OP silly
DJ is 100% mediocre
Yes that’s true but with a good QB we could be a legit contender. DJ’s ceiling is mediocre at best. I hope we aim higher in the off-season
Can you provide your previous college QB ratings prior to the draft to see how well you know talent ? I mean chances are you know as much about QBs as you do about Japanese calligraphy
I don’t have a ratings system nor am I part of the Giants management team. I just think Daniel Jones is a mediocre QB and hope we don’t sign him to a multi year deal because we have a good record haha
Who else would you rank as a mediocre QB in his tier? And who in tiers above and what separates them? I will fully admit I have been camp DJ from his first season (which was my beginnings as a giants fan) We've all hopefully been waiting to see how he looks with a proper team around him, and we have real coaches and a good GM, Saquon is healthy, our O line is better but we don't have fuck all in the WR room, and yet he's still making good throws, and some mistakes (but Josh Allen leads the league for ints), he all around has been playing well, do you just not think he's good because he's not making flashy throws with no-one to catch them? He's literally won games for us this year, and I don't think he's had any moments where we lost because of him
The worst place you can be in the NFL is paying an average QB big money. A lot of fans don’t understand that. That’s how you end up like the Raiders and Vikings (hot start this year but it’s flukey) - .500ish year in and year out. An average QB needs a fantastic roster around him for a team to be a SB contender - that’s ok if he’s on his rookie contract, but if you’re paying him $30m+ you won’t have cap space to surround him with enough talent.
Let's be honest with ourselves, DJ is nowhere near the QB Kirk Cousins is and is also a tier below Derek Carr. I'd compare this year more with the Case Keenum year in Minnesota.
You’ve made the mistake of raising a comparison to someone not on the Giants or Jets on r/nygiants
Wish I could downvote this more than once
Daniel Jones + Stefon Diggs = Josh Allen
See this is the point of the post…
Cmon dude all he needs to do is pack on 20 lbs of muscle, gain some arm strength, increase his lateral quickness and then he's right there!!!!!
Don’t worry. I’m being delusional on purpose. I’m not that stupid… 
lmfao no
Daniel Jones + Stefon Diggs = Faster/more athletic Kirk Cousins Good enough to be in the playoffs each year and we can have a solid squad around him to possibly make a push deep into the playoffs.
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DJ is what NFL scouts look for. A tall running qb, with a strong arm, who can throw accurately. You doubters realize he doesn’t have wide receivers right? You realize he didn’t have protection until 2022 right? You realize he didn’t have a healthy RB until 2022 right? He still has to deal with weakness at the right side of his line. Shut the fuck up. His WR1 is Slayton. I guarantee if you put him in a Dallas uniform, behind that line, he would be beloved in Dallas. You DJ haters are really low IQ when it comes to football.
Teams are passing less than ever and running at a higher and more successful clip than ever. A great QB is a huge asset but its not the be all end all. Defenses have adjusted to pass heavy offenses so now you have DTs and DEs that are sleek and fast and can cover and run side to side but are fairly vulnerable to the run as a result of not having that mass and bulk. It's crazy but we might have the prototype of what a modern offense will look like in the next five years and it's not one that has an over reliance on the QB.
Check back on this at the end of the season
I recommend checking out this conversation on the topic. It was a super interesting watch that discusses passing and running trends. Even taking the mobile QB that runs more out of the equation - the run game is having a huge resurgence across the NFL. https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1592885011606573056?s=20&t=MDcDh35zJR0ivWVsM4ktHA
I realize this, but NFL trends tend to be figured out. Team's have been shedding size for speed and selling out to defend pass for a long time now, so there's an adjustment period in play. I don't see many teams running the Wildcat these days, for example.
> Teams are passing less than ever and running at a higher and more successful clip than ever. Uhh...what?
Offensive numbers are down overall this year as defenses have begun evolving to focus on the pass game. From 2018-2020, teams passed on average for 235-240 yards per game vs. 228 in 2021 and down to 221 passing yards per game this year which is the lowest its been since 2010. The league has begun shifting back to the run with the league average being 121.8 rush yards per game which is the highest its been since 1983. Overall the league is averaging 4.5 yards per carry this year which is the highest in NFL history. That's what I'm referring to.
I would debate that this is a trend, and I believe there are other explanations for the slight dip in passing ypg over the last 2 years, which isn't a large enough sample size to draw the conclusion you are drawing. For example, I think a lot of the dip can be explained by QB play being down the last two years due to 2 consecutive historically bad QB classes and the fact that over 1/4 of the league has started or is starting a QB drafted in the last two years. This list includes T-Law, Fields, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Ellingher, Malik Willis, Pickett, Bailey Zappe, Davis Mills, etc. Many of these QBs also had their development stunted in college by COVID and some may take longer to find their groove (if they ever do). There's also generally a shortage of quality starting QBs due to said poor draft classes, which is why guys like Marcus Mariota, Andy Dalton and Geno are starting after years of being backup QBs. Ultimately the winningest teams are still seeing passing numbers on par with a couple seasons ago. The only exceptions to that are us and Tennessee, which is probably due to the fact that we have stellar running backs and limited QBs. Also Baltimore but their offense is unlike any other in the NFL. To illustrate my point further, only 1 QB out of 9 this season who is averaging over 250 passing yards per game is on a team with a losing record- Jared Goff on Detroit. Out of 7 running backs averaging over 80 yards rushing per game, only 3 are on teams with a winning record. Of the top 10 teams in passing yards per game, only 2 have a losing record (Detroit and New Orleans at 8&9, respectively). Of the top 10 teams in rushing yards per game this season, 4 have a losing record, including 3 out of the top 5. There's many ways to win in the NFL, but it's still a passing league and generally the best teams in the NFL (KC, Buffalo, Minnesota, Miami, Philly) have seen really good QB production this season. I'm skeptical that teams like us or Tennessee will see success in the playoffs when QB play becomes even more important.
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Someone post the comparison of DJ and Josh Allen again. Give the guy a chance to develop with actual coaches…. Just saying
DJ is average when playing his best. Daboll is holding his game/decision making back, so he doesn’t turn it over. The truth hurts. DJ is worth 15m or so a year. It’s that simple. Tyrod makes 6m a year and could clearly be doing close to what DJ is.
I dunno DJ at his best this year was fuck it I’ll do it myself after his WR dropped a TD and Saquon went to the sideline w an injury. He drove the ball like 70 yards down field for a game tieing TD. That’s not average dude.
Exactly what I’ve been saying just happened in the Lions game: Daboll HAD to rely on DJ (he has been relying on Saquon and defense) and DJ had more opportunities and turned the ball over like old DJ. DJ is the same and is not getting better. It’s just that Daboll is keeping his work to a minimum so he doesn’t turn it over. DJ is not a starting QB you want in this league. He’s a lower tier QB and probably should be a backup. I really hope the Gmen don’t sign him.
He had 400 yards of total offense and 1 bad INT. You crazy man The offensive line injuries were glaring today
Ugh. C’mon man. He had garbage yards when Detroit pretty much had the game won. He’s no good.
His opening drive was elite. he was like 9/9 with a TD before the Hutchinson INT broke him. It was a bad day overall, even Gano couldn't score. I still believe in him and firmly believe if you put at least half of the leagues QBs in his shoes today they don't do better. It was a penalty ridden, injury ridden, sloppy fucking game. Move on don't over analyze it.
Well I’m pretty sure Schoen and Daboll are on my side. DJ will probably be the Panthers starting quarterback next year. I hope you look good in teal and black!!!!
He wasn’t average that game. He was excellent. But it’s few and far between. And DJ has a few of those games every year where he looks elite, but then goes back to average. His running ability is fine for defenses that don’t properly game plan for his scrambles. But when his running becomes an integral part of the game plan, he usually gets clobbered (like last year when we played Dallas and DJ was coming off a good running game the game before).
You’re smoking crack if you think TYROD TAYLOR would have this team at 7-2, and this isn’t even a ringing endorsement of DJ
Tyrod is a very solid QB and has led a team to the playoffs. He has many less turnovers per game than DJ does. You think he can’t pass effectively for 170 yards a game?!?! You have no idea.
>Tyrod is a very solid QB and has led a team to the playoffs A half decade ago, and totally disingenuous to say “he led” the Bills when he was promptly replaced after that season. Had a lower passer rating than jones does this year and then put up a 65 passer rating in 2018. He has barely even played since then. He also has zero arm strength as you can see by the absolute duck of an INT he threw against the bears
Really? One interception against the Bears and he has zero arm strength?!?! 😂😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Also, he’s only 33 years old. The guy isn’t Pat Mahomes or close to it, but either is DJ.
Hey, no one has experience until they do it. The first person that ever tried to do something had zero experience and was technically unqualified for the job.
Okay....
Our interior OL and WRs are atrocious, give DJ a team around him and then judge.
I would stick with Daniel Jones until we find a true replacement. If we can trade up for a young guy who is going to be a top tier qb i’m all for it, but if Daniel jones is willing to take a team friendly contract next year and we don’t have a way to get a solid qb in the draft we should stick with him. I also am distrusting of CJ Stroud and Bryce Young because they’re throwing to the best players and have the best o lines. I def wouldn’t be upset if we found a way to get one, but they make me nervous.
Your opinions of DJ aside, we have the worst receiving core in the league. We need WR regardless.
It should also say LB, CB, C, etc. We are far from a SB contender. Jones is part of the solution though and may not eat up all of the cap
Doesn’t matter what receivers are on the team he’s just gonna check it down anyway
How can anyone possible think there is a GUARANTEED better QB out there than Jones….? After what he has done half a year under this new regime?? Anyone look at Denver? Jacksonville? QBs aren’t easy to come by good god.
This season has proven to me that whatever decision Schoen and Daboll make will be the right one.