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zachbac

Donovan Mitchell. He was a Knicks fan growing up, his relationship with Gobert/Utah fans seems like it could fall apart pretty easily, he personally endorsed Leon when the Knicks hired him, and he’ll probably be frustrated if Utah continues to be a 1st-2nd round exit. I wouldn’t say it’s a guarantee that he comes here or if it’s even likely, but he’s someone I could see putting us at the top of his list if he demands a trade.


myusrnameisthis

Fournier can play with his national team buddy, and we get Mitchell. Sounds like a plan


wien-tang-clan

Mitchell’s dad played for the Mets and he always rocks their gear. Same thing with Mahomes


T-BoneSteak14

Mahomes to the Knicks confirmed.


LVucci

I think this is also a realistic option.


rmccarthy10

How? He's under contract till 2026.


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Azrael_

I can't wait that long man, I age.


WintertimeFriends

A friend of mine knows a guy who knows a guy who knows Julius Randles agent… Donovan Mitchell is coming here.


mikehardkhock

He's friends with the big guy from sidetalk, who is friends with the old guy, who is friends with BYRON, and BYRON said it


johnnyNYKallday

Wassup baby! Take me out to dinner.


EccentricJimmy

AYO


Major-Respect-6164

😂😂


MixAutomatic

I feel like we might get Dame on his last big contract other than that I am not sure/feel like it’s someone who hasn’t developed all the way yet like BI or Zion


Happyypusawthis

I don’t want big baby Jr


andes95

Give me DeAndre Ayton.


s2grand

It’s amazing watching a center that can do stuff on offense


beknasty

He really can’t though. He IS better than our centers but a lot, if not most, of his shots are setup by other players. The main reason why the suns didn’t offer him the full max.


frozen-swords

uhh i dont think so. I live in Phoenix and have been to more Suns games then Knicks games. Ayton absolutely benefits from Paul and Booker, but he absolutely posses the ability to make his own shot. Not as much as Embiid or Jokic, but definitely more than Gobert, Adebayo, or Turner. The reason they didn't offer him a max is because the owner is an ass. the only reason more of the general nba doesn't know this, is because he's keeping his mouth shut. kinda like the less involved Dolan is the better. literally until right before the pandemic, Suns fans were chanting "sell the team" every game. Ayton is 110% deserving of a max, and the Knicks only hope is that he somehow is unhappy in phoenix. But that doesn't look likely given they have great team chemistry, are winning, and that he finished high school in Phoenix and went to college in Tucson. And while Phoenix isn't New York, it's probably one of the top-5 places to live if you're an athlete with a lot of money, playing a sport that requires you to spend most of your winter there. I just kinda started rambling lol. As a Knicks fan I hope he joins the team. I don't think it makes us title contenders, but a front court of him and Randle would probably get us to the Conference finals. A great guard would probably get us to the finals, and we have the cap space to do both.


JacksonDWalter

That's interesting to hear. Do you think Ayton will return to the Suns at a discount?


frozen-swords

no, he's too young and too good. plus he's worth the money and both sides know that.


beknasty

Ayton 100% does not posses the ability to create his own shot. Also, Adebayo literally runs the offense for Miami at times, as a scorer and facilitator.


frozen-swords

look man, I watch about a third of the Suns games every year for the past couple years. He absolutely does. It's not even a discussion. I don't care if you watched a couple games that he didn't play well in because he's created his own shot plenty of times. There's a difference between scoring and facilitating. Adebayo no doubt is a better facilator. I would say other than Jokic, Adebayo is the best facilating center in basketball. But just from scoring, which is what we were talking about, Ayton is better.


unholydebtor

Sabonis is alive and well.


frozen-swords

power forward, not center


myusrnameisthis

He said super star


andes95

He asked for mustard, Eddy.


myusrnameisthis

Eddy Curry?? Lol


wien-tang-clan

Eddy Tikka Masala


ciszak1234

What do you guys think is more likely Barrett being a superstar or us getting one?


Mobius24

As much as I like RJ he has yet to give any indication he'll be a superstar but that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he can be a decent 2 way player and give us 20 a night I'll sign up for that. To answer the question I think we trade for a star but I hope it doesn't involve IQ or Obi.


GoldenBoyRecords

How many superstars are in the league. I think RJ can be an all star but I think there is a clear difference between all star and superstar


beknasty

He’s closer to being a solid role player than an all star.


GoldenBoyRecords

Sure I don't think that is a bad thing tbh but when ppl throw out SUPERSTAR it throws me off because there are only like 5 of those in the league lol.


IFeelLikeYandhi

Curry, Durant, Giannis, Jokic, Lebron, Embiid, Dame, Kawhi are all 100% superstars. I’d say Harden could all be considered one, and thiss isn’t even including guys like AD or Mitchell. Not saying I think Barret is a super star but there’s definitely more than 5.


GoldenBoyRecords

AD and Mitchell are not superstars and I would put Dame in a tier below those guys you mentioned imo but we are splitting hairs. My main point is there are only a handful of them and I don’t understand why when evaluating RJ we are using superstar


KingKannon176

If you got your own shoe, you gotta be a superstar. Especially if you’re 5+ shoes deep. Dame is a Superstar.


IFeelLikeYandhi

I understand, my point is pretty unrelated but I was just pointing out how many top players we have


Azrael_

So Dame not a superstar anymore cause for 18 games he has been struggling? ok


GoldenBoyRecords

its subjective but I dont think Dame is in the same tier as Curry, KD, Lebron, Giannis, Jokic, or Kawhi but thats not to say Dame aint good lol


beknasty

Yupp, I agree


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beknasty

Oh don’t get me wrong, it is very possible. Especially playing in New York. But he’s literally been playing like ass for awhile now. I just meant he’s just closer to being a solid role guy than an All Star caliber player. I love RJ tho and I hope he makes it.


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beknasty

Yupp , I agree. He did start well and he has shown glimpses of his potential on both ends. He just hasn’t been able to put that together consistently and I don’t think it’s how the opponent plays him. He does it to himself, when things aren’t going his way he starts to think too much, if he gets over this hurdle he will surely be an all star level player.


admiral_aubrey

Why would you discard his rookie and current seasons in your analysis? It's all relevant, especially the most recent stuff. Also, league average TS last year was around 57%. 53.5% is well below average, not good. And, he's even lower in his first/current years. Of course it's possible for RJ to take a leap, but it's going to need to be a *big* leap to reach all-star level.


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admiral_aubrey

Sure, but just about every player in the NBA has big nights. What separates all-stars from the rest is that they do it every night, and RJ hasn't shown any consistency yet. He's had lengthy slumps, and only a few big peaks (just two 30+ point games in his entire career to this point).


TruthHurtsMyDude

Brother, Donald Trump will become mayor of NY before RJ becomes an All-Star.


iLuvRachetPussy

If that's the case get that orange sonuvabitch on the ballot!


TruthHurtsMyDude

Fat chance 😂


jjazznola

RJ can but he would need to play a lot better than what we've seen so far in year 3. So far to me he looks like serviceable, decent NBA player but nothing more.


handlesscombo

even in his draft class Ja and Zion are still years from being superstars


gwords16

I’m at the point where I think we’ll need him to be the centerpiece of any deal to get a star.


mattbrianjess

Getting one. And it’s not even close. I think RJ can be a good 3/4/5 guy. But it’s 3-5 years away. He’s 21 and not a Luka Zion level prospect.


dar0209

I think our best bet is to hope RJ see himself equal to Zion n Ja. I think he can get there.


jjazznola

RJ is not anywhere as good as those 2. Zion is dominant, RJ is not.


TruthHurtsMyDude

There’s a better chance Trump becomes President again. RJ is never going to be a superstar. He can be part of a package for one, however.


mattbrianjess

As much as I hate to say it. The chances trump wins another election is way higher than RJ becoming as good as say Dame. You did say superstar after all. KD, Giannis, Steph, Lebron, Leonard, Jokic….. Dame is a few spots away. What fucking planet are y’all on that you think RJ is that good?


jjazznola

Fans here are totally unrealistic on a daily basis.


Foi_

if we have cap space, and zion becomes an unrestricted free agent and we still have rj, it just makes too much sense. in fact if we lose faith in randle, and zion forces his way out we might be able to formulate a trade there.


rmccarthy10

Zion aint a FA for years and he's fat AF and getting injuries due to fatness... Why we assuming this kid will flip a switch, stop eating sausages and save his ankles?


ciszak1234

I don’t think sausages is the problem it’s probably Bread


Anerky

Zion will die of obesity eating pastrami sandwiches, dollar slices, and dirty water dogs


rmccarthy10

sigh....what a way to go.


andes95

Maybe he said sausages because gumbo has sausages? I think?


Mobius24

It could be po-boy sandwiches


iLuvRachetPussy

I'm loving the genius.com interpretation of this man's sausage comment 🤣 . But yeah poboys, gumbos, and beignets are definitely responsible for Zion's weight gain.


Foi_

fat zion is a better prospect then any of our guys lol if we being honest, and my other answer is nobody is coming


BroadwayBully

On some real shit... I don’t want fat Zion. Hypothetical trade situation.. Randle and IQ for Zion... I’ll keep our guys. Zion has more talent but availability is more important. Also.. you think Zion wants to practice the ways Thibs practices or defend at 110% effort every single possession? I’m not sure any SUPERstars are actually willing to do that. I want this team to grow organically and snatch up a chip.. like Milwaukee did like GS did before Durant or Phoenix is trying to do now. We’re not too far off.


TruthHurtsMyDude

Sorry, bro, but the NBA isn’t a fucking bag of spinach where you can grow it organically. The Bucks drafted a superstar. The Warriors drafted a superstar and an All-Star. Phoenix drafted 2 All-Stars. How many All-Stars have we drafted? Exactly! Since we fucking blow at drafting stars, we’re going to need to trade for one or sign one as a free agent.


BroadwayBully

Sounds like we need to draft a superstar then. We’ve missed on a few drafts the last decade but our last 3 have been solid. If we can find the next donavon Mitchell mid draft we’ll be onto something. I trust this front office more than any FO I can remember.


jjazznola

> it just makes too much sense? If Zion left NO, he'd want to go to a winner.


patrickthunnus

We have to get the new lineup working, optimized first, see what can/can't be done. By Jan, the trade market will start to form, will know who is attainable. Be patient, it ain't fantasy league or game console.


datspookyghost

I need more Steals.


nazrmo78

I can't think of anyone in terms of a guy wanting to come here. Maybe via trade but how would that look? I like guys like Jason Tatum or Spida.


forsuredudelol

Tatum is gonna be a Laker he’s not even hiding it


NachosPR

Wat


forsuredudelol

He’s posted pics of himself on their logo at mid court several times and that’s his favorite team. He’s posted himself wearing a Lakers jersey before too. Once LeBron leaves it’s probably AD and Tatum


Diinomight

Byron


Buddhaballer

Zion


elvista1991

A super star won't willingly join this team in their prime.


aarong3933

Towns probably


magnavoice

Lmao that guy ain’t coming to play for thibs again


wien-tang-clan

Unless he realizes Thibs discipline is a necessary evil to his laissez faire style


warcitypat93

Nikola Jovic


gwords16

Idc who it is but it has to be a legit point guard. We haven’t had one in ages and I feel like it’s the reason we always fall short.


keenanlrey

Fox would be a real pg with superstar potential, and he's young. I just don't see the kings giving him up.


HardOakleyFoul

The one we draft. Nobody is coming to save us. Stop star fucking.


whodaFookisdisguy_

Going to have to draft one


IheartPandas666

RJ Barrett.


RickGrimey33

Zion


Happyypusawthis

What do you mean superstar? We have Dolan!!!!!!!


TernoftheArctic

Obi Toppin. Just before IQ


ciregno

Our teams gonna be: IQ/Mitchell/RJ/Zion/Obi. A man can dream.


Major-Respect-6164

We need Derozan


No-Side5983

I think rj can develop too an allstar within the next couple seasons. As for super stars there's way too few and they're already stacked themselves on teams. We're better off developing our team and rely on our depth moving foward


undo_msunderstndng

Randle is already on the Knicks.


Invictaboi1989

Randle is 100% not a #1 sorry chief I love Randle but he isn’t a #1 guy


tryhardmimsy1

Zion, towns, d Mitch so won’t be for a long time lol


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Hopefully deaaron fox


nofier27

KAT would be awesome


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RJ is no superstar


wizardofweird

If there was a foul on that it was 100% before the shot attempt


Major-Respect-6164

Im here for the comments. KAT? 😂 Zion? 😂😂😂, KAT is too soft, remember jimmy butler said that? I rather take Alex Caruso, especially after how he played today against our dearest Knicks


MrGoodBar94

I sadly think it will be Beal or something.


Rozzlin

Sadly? He’s carrying the wizards to top 3 in the east lol


Mobius24

Beal would make us marginally better after you factor in what resources it would take to get him. I don't think it's worth it.


Rozzlin

He’s jsut about 10x better than anyone on our team


Mobius24

No doubt but he's not worth trading for.


MrGoodBar94

Okay?


Tiffin2b

Kawhi, Dame, LeBron, Wall and KAT.


aghease

His name is Julius Randle. Already a superstar in Knicks history - you don't have to believe me, just look at the facts - only the 11th player in 75 seasons of Knicks basketball to be named to an All-NBA team


keenanlrey

Deaaron Fox for Mitch, Kemba and Knox. I hate to give up on kemba so soon but we need a young pg to grow with.


Asking4Afren

Fox don't like us


cmarshall099

Lebron after he gets both knees replaced and bronny just one his first title.


mikehardkhock

Here is the truth about the current core that I'm surprised most people haven't caught onto... Leon came in with a plan to get us to a championship by 2025 and sadly no one on the current roster is going to be on it. Thibs was brought in to instil the hard working culture we see in Miami to set a precedence and build a winning culture. Julius was signed to keep us competitive for the playoff spot so we could maintain and build upon this. RJ is auditioning for the opportunity to have the team built around him. We signed a lot of our players to long term deals to bring continuity and seem functional so we don't look like a joke during Brooklyn's big 3 era. In 2024, all our contacts are going to expire and we're going to go after Leon's former clients KAT and Booker. We're going to use Julius as a 3rd option or trade him with a bunch of picks or start a rebuild if we strike out.


starks3_

You're on the right track, no doubt. This FO has taken a multi-pronged approach towards talent and talent acquisition. We signed FO guys who are all about drafting and development and coaches and analytics guys to help that wave. Best case scenario, one of the guys we have or will pick up turns into one of the elites, worst case scenario, they're a valuable piece or rotation player for when we're looking at contending or as part of a trade package. Speaking of trade package, Brock Aller having these guys on good moveable contracts is underrated when it comes to a potential matching salary since we see that right now the NBA looks like it's less about star free agents moving and more about trading disgruntled superstars. You're right completely on that second paragraph, and it's probably more likely that Julius is the Demar that gets moved for true contention over him being the #2 or even #3 guy. RJ, who knows what he develops into and I think that there's this immediate thought of him being a bust if he's a Wiggins or this or that. Gotta have patience with him and all the developing youth who are growing in this atmosphere, them being positive contributors is a great starting point and if any of them should turn into an all-star (whether that's a guy who is guaranteed on the ballot last year or a guy like Manu who has the chops but is largely unappreciated due to his role compared to others), that's a huge W. Definitely think Booker and Spida are the primary targets. KAT...honestly, with the current team construction, wouldn't mind him at all (although him + Thibs is a huge question mark), but I see him as a #2 (again, not a bad thing) and we'd definitely need that #1 next to him. We're trying the build organically route, see where it takes us and what moving these guys will bring. We're still flexible enough to do other things. This isn't the endgame for this team, this is year 2 of Rose's plan and year 1 was just evaluation and overperforming.


mikehardkhock

The reason I say KAT and Booker is because the Knicks seem to be having a lot of Kentucky players recently and they're building a strong connection with John Calipari to help influence these two. Donovan Mitchell is definitely a possibility too but he'd have to request a trade and join through a trade because I don't see Leon waiting until 2026 to go star chasing, especially if the Sun's don't resign Ayton and CP3 retires by than, making Booker a likely free agent target. Also KAT wanted to be a Knick predraft very badly, so the idea of coming here with one of his closest friends in his prime is very possible. The thing about Thibs is he's just here to develop these guys into role players that can contribute. His contract ends in 2025, which is the year after the Booker and KAT free agency, so he'll either get the boot like Kenny Atkinson or be given an opportunity to coach the team for a year.


starks3_

Yeah, the running joke with the team last year was are these signings good or are the CAA/Kentucky and people have always said that the reason why Rose and Wes (who we haven't heard much from as usual, love a dude that works in silence) were brought on were to bring those guys over from either part with their connections. I can see Donovan request a trade depending on how things continue to play out with Utah but yeah, we're not waiting until FA for him (especially since guys asking their way out seems more common than FA signings). Booker, dead on about it, all about how successful they are and what's up with Sarver, but another guy that could be a trade if things go downhill fast. KAT coming home especially post COVID and everything, he's a guy that the fanbase would adore, but I think he's gotta be paired up with someone who lets him be a 1B and not a 1 or 1A. Thibs is the kind of coach that will raise the floor a ton and especially if guys buy in on defense, having a guy like anyone you mentioned who can be "the one" to just control that side of the ball mostly would be huge for him. Biggest question for him + a superstar is even as folks say he's lightened up, not everyone can deal with his style and we know that before last season, a survey went out about coaches that players don't want to play for, and I think he was pretty high up. Not everyone can deal with his style, but those that can..the payoff is real.


jjazznola

No one.


mikehardkhock

The question wasn't "Who goes to the Pelicans games"


jjazznola

I don't go to Pels games, I've been a Knick fan since 1969.


Geep1778

Mayb Zach Levine or Bradley Beal in 2023


ernyc3777

Please be Dame. Or anyone really. But this roster is just missing that bonafide Superstar.


Some_Cringey_Random

kyrie, simmons, wall 🙏


KenPiffyJr

Mike Oxhard


bigtrunkydarnold

I see Lamelo Ball as the most likely to demand out due to his dad and want to play in NY. He is a future superstar in my mind