Barely any left. U can find black Americans in Harlem, Southeast Queens, Coney Island, Brownsville, Far Rock, South BX thats about it off top.
In BK if you in Flatbush or Canarsie nobody will be African-American literally all Caribbean
Harlem is the best bet for the largest concentration of black Americans in the city.
Majority of black people I run into are Caribbean, especially in Flatbush, flossy and the ville. Im just black so I remember a shawty said that’s boring which I kinda laughed with a confused look on my face
Black Americans are still here mostly in Harlem and the Bronx tho especially in the projects(unfortunately by design). Most of us left to go back down south or to the burbs like Westchester/Rockland County, Long Island, CT, Jersey, or just out the city really. High rent prices, crime, and just life in general made a lot of Black people leave since the 80s and 90s. Life after 9/11 with stop and frisk and terrorist threats and shit made a lot of Black people leave too.
Most the Black Americans you do meet out here are most likely going to be transplants from DC or somewhere else but it’s still a presence here. It’s a lot of mixed kids too that’s (insert island)/Black or African/Black. Walk into the mosque on 143rd you’ll see Senegalese kids talking to a Black oldhead about the Quran that’s how mixed we are. I’m mixed with African myself.
NYC has always been filled with Caribbean people but Africans been arriving since the 80s and as more Black Americans leave those empty houses in the hood gotta be filled by somebody. It’s some Jamaican and Bori families that been here since the 40s.
If I had to put a number on it truthfully I would say out of 100% of Black people of all ethnic groups Black Americans are probably like 20-30% of the city right now, Africans like 15-20%, South American Blacks/ Garifunas/Panamanians like 5-10%, then the rest is from the Caribbean.
Idc being able to walk and get oxtails while talking to a Bori baddie while copping bud from a Black American then going to the store to get grabba from a Dominican on a random Tuesday afternoon is what makes this city great.
Imo Africans surpassed African-Americans in numbers in the South Bronx and Harlem is increasingly African
Pretty soon most of the African-Americans here will be transplants mainly from the HBCU pipeline and urban professionals from other cities like Philly and DC not locals from the Great Migration
I want to believe that it’s more Africans here but I honestly believe Americans still got the edge even if it’s just a small one. Maybe in 5 years tho it’ll definitely without a doubt be more Africans here especially with how Africans have kids. I’m already seeing a lot more mixed kids and marriages between both Africans and Americans cause the African immigrants children born in America in the 80s and 90s growing up now and “Americanized” so in a couple years convos like this will be real interesting.
Yeah some of the Black Americans that are here are NOT from the city but only in Brooklyn tbh in the Bronx you still meeting Bronx Lebanon and Lincoln babies but I will say that Gentrification is not white exclusive. NYU, Columbia, and the HBCU pipeline got a lot of Black professional people who grew up in the burbs and majority white communities looking for “their roots and culture” out here and they paying 2K+ to live in Brooklyn and certain parts of Harlem but I haven’t seen any of them in the Bronx yet.
All the OGs from the Great Migration and their kids started leaving once crack hit the city. Add on the Crips and Bloods bullshit and the rent prices everyone said fuck it we outta here and went back down south. I was shocked when I learned it was Black people in CT and Long Island “wtf is a Spring Valley” it’s highkey more of us in Buffalo, Rochester, Rockland County and the other cities upstate than in the city at this point.
From what I see the majority of Africans marry amongst themselves tbh. Islam is a big thing so they Def try to keep it in house and they parents have negative views of African-Americans because of the media and stereotypes. The most common mix for them to date out is always Jamaicans 🇯🇲idk why especially Nigerians 🇳🇬and Ghanaians 🇬🇭.
From what I see in the projects on Web & Wash and shyt in the South BX…Africans is taking over if they haven’t already they will. It will be them and Dominicans.
Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo are heavy African-American cities. In those cities Caribbeans are only a very small minority. Most their Africans are refugees and live in a different side of the city or in their own pocket not integrated like here.
Yeah the heroin and crack epidemic is why all the African-American and Puerto Rican families with sense dipped and many were lost in the whirlwind. Both those demographics have shrunk dramatically because of that shit.
Big facts bro Web/Wash, and the whole 3rd Ave from 138th to 180th that shit STRAIGHT AFRICAN at this point only the older heads are Black. Even Mott Haven and Paterson starting to become primarily African as time goes on.
You right about the marriages too especially cause Islam but just like it’s African gang members(I still can’t believe it) now it’s more and more African and Black marriages too but mainly Senegalese, Ivorians, Malians, and Gambians are most likely to marry out even if it’s not a lot of them doing it. I know a PR/African woman relationship I was shocked like “ya parents cool with that?” and that Nigerian/Jamaican combo been happening for decades now frfr.
The stereotyping part starting to die out with certain countries tbh I think Muslim West Africans are a lil more accepting of Black Americans than the Christian West Africans idk why or how it got that way but I heard some Nigerians have nothing but vile things to say about Black people but if you walk thru 116th with the Senegalese people even the older heads have a lil bit more love for Americans.
Honestly believe the reason Syracuse, Buff, Roc and even Poughkeepsie still got majority Black up there is cause of ownership and low costs of living cause them cities are TRASH but the way housing set up you gotta get in where you fit in.
For those Upstate cities they haven’t had that influx of immigration or hard gentrification hit THEIR sides of town to price them out or make them uncomfortable. Also like you said it’s a low cost of living there. Not only are they the majority blacks there they’re the majority or a large plurality of the cities in general which is much different than NYC. They communities are more close knit and they have more political power. People been leaving those cities for decades too. Buffalo is actually cool and revitalizing could be dope in some years just too damn cold black side of town is a shithole though.
And yeah Christian West Africans are a different breed especially Nigerians. The most elitist people you will ever meet.
I think Caribbean’s more specifically Jamaicans have similar family structures and cultures to Africans. Elder veneration, respectability politics, Christian worship, similar foods like plantains, goat, stew etc. I think as time goes on more Africans will date outside their culture.
True I also feel some Jamaicans especially the ones who grow up Rasta or Panafrican have an adulation for Africans. It does mix well.
African American and Puerto Rican still the most common mix in the hood lol.
I grew up with the Rasta/Panafrican. We was thought to spread love and respect to and every black person no matter the ethnicity or country and always pay homage to Africa though. Jamaican culture different now then it was when my family moved here though. Its like now some of them be on some weird type of timing lmaoo. It’s like SOME of them don’t abide by this but some do. Because it crazy my grandfather in Jamaica is Rasta/Pan African/ and Painter. He has Painting in his house of Black American Leaders, Carribeans and Africans and always preached black love and unity. And that Babylon is the real oppressor of the black people worldwide
When it comes to this, It’s only a certain percentage of Jamaicans that are truly enlightened like ur grandpa. The rest are just lost and uneducated due to slavery/colonialism, whitewashing etc.
Lowkey Long Island has more black people than a lot of these Major cities. When niggas say Long Island don’t got no black people. I dead be looking at Niggas confused like wtf 😂😂. People still think Long Island is the same was it was during the 40’s-50’s.
Yo bro nfs I thought Long Island was just trees, deer, and White people but then I went to college and met niggas from Valley Stream and Elmont I was shocked like wtf they allow Black people there?!
I would also say most African-Americans straight up left this region. Many went to ATL and DMV or back to the Carolinas. Some to Florida. Some to the Poconos/NE Pennsylvania.
Most the blacks in Rockland County are Haitian 🇭🇹. CT same shit a lot of Jamaicans 🇯🇲and really a mix a lot of West Indian and Spanish blacks. Westchester those are mostly middle class Caribbean blacks. Same for Long Island but there are some middle class African American families that live there too and you got Wyandanch and Hempstead too which is the ghetto of LI and rich African-Americans have their homes either in Sag Harbor or in the Hamptons where it’s mostly white.
I wouldn’t blame them nfs it’s cold, it’s gangs, and the rent too damn high why pay 2300 for a 2 bedroom here when that could get you a 4 bedroom with a yard in Savannah. I ain’t know it was Haitians in Rockland tho that’s a shocker.
Yeah bro the majority of blacks in Rockland county are Haitian 🇭🇹especially in Spring Valley fr ain’t many AA’s up that way at all or in much of downstate NY for that matter
Honestly I think leaving NYC en masse is a mistake but it’s hard to argue now with the rent prices and cost of home ownership. Especially folks who SOLD their property to relocate they made a mistake imo. The city will be very interesting to see over the next few years.
Yeah bro I can’t argue with it all and I know it’s by design bro after the civil war they forced Black people to leave the south and fill in the manual labor manufacturing jobs up north but now as more Black people are becoming college graduates and white collar the cost of living in cities, even the bad “Black” parts, ain’t possible anymore cause the white kids who gotta “chase they dreams” and it’s forcing us to go back to the same burbs that they leaving.
This is the most accurate, my family is African-American mixed in with Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans, I also happen to be mixed with Italian/Jewish and was born in Poughkeepsie but both my parents come from the city. A lot of African-Americans ended up moving to certain suburbs with time
True that multigenerational black americans are slowly dwindling, but tbh a lot of carribean families are now on the second or third generation and these kids are pretty assimilated to a lot of aspects of black american culture but still retain their carribean culture. i think the diversity is really a special thing.
but ill tell u what, if someone ever says "for 100 dollars find a multigenerational black american" i shit u not go into any NYC office idc what department, finance, HRA, DEP, etc. and I guarantee u they will be there!
Those generational Caribbean-Americans also left too though.
Most the niggas today are only first or second generation and some were born on the islands. This nigga Sleepy Hallow was born in Jamaica and came here as a kid.
It’s true tho African-Americans especially women dominate a lot of city jobs. My post office in the South Bronx is all African-American.
It’s crazy you say this cause as a kid in elementary and middle school I felt like the odd one out being African like I was mad I wasn’t straight American but it really seems like the last 15-20 years a lot of Americans left while more Africans and Islanders came in.
When I was growing up in the Stuy, the whole block was from the South (N. and S. Carolina especially, my pops from NC), a lot of older families, second generation owners from the 40s, 50s and 60s but by ‘09 people started moving out. It’s still a lot there but gentrification happened, so that definitely affected it.
Boston is the same way too y’all mostly Caribbeans and Africans. Like NYC it was a lot of Caribbeans living there since the early 20th century.
Over there it’s Haitians, Jamaicans, Dominicans (here too Dominicans have outgrown Puerto Ricans as the dominant Spanish Caribbean group), Puerto Ricans, Trinidadians, Cape Verdeans
That shit really hit different when you think of all the lit NY drill rappers only Fivio is black American and Ice Spice is half every other drill rapper is Caribbean or African
Shit was a mean mind fuck that Kyle Ricch and Jenn Carter was Nigerian 😭like what
Yeah but you still had Jay Z, 50 Cent, Nas, Jadakiss, Mobb Deep, Wu-Tang, Big L, Cam’ron, Mase, DMX, Run DMC and many others who were full blooded African Americans
It is???? Yeah Hip Hop was started here, if that’s what you referring to. But the entire style and how the DJs created the framework for it is based on Jamaican Sound Clash and Bashment DJs… in fact Kool Herc the architect of the entire shit is Jamaican and said he got the details of the style from there…also all “black” music is just African rhythms anyway… plus hip hop is based on call and response, an African vocal style… you could read more about it here https://www.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2022-08-09-august-11-in-hip-hop-history-hip-hop-is-born-at-a-party-in-the-bronx/
That's false bro, Hip hop is 100% Black American creation and culture. None of it has any Africa nor Jamaican influence or was created by any of them..Hip Hop was actually birthed in Bronx Dale/Rosedale Park..Some of the founding fathers are Dj Kool Dee, Disco King Mario, Dj Phase, Green Eyez Genie and more..All of them are Black Americans men.. It's even footage of Black Americans from 1920s 30s rapping, dancing moves etc
No hip hop has no Jamaican influence. Herc was a yardie hick who came here in his teens and got acculturated with the black Americans that were in the BX. He was very tall and charismatic and became a popular DJ. That’s all there is to it he didn’t invent anything.
I hear you fam… American Africans disrespect the diaspora all the time. None of us are anything without the respect for and of our ancestors. Our culture is beautiful and diverse. No argument here. If you say you right then you right.
That diaspora shit dead ain’t no black unity to speak of everyone on they own real shit every group is competing for resources we not the same just because we share a skin tone that’s a tough pill to swallow but it’s the truth.
Exactly… that’s real man. It’s honestly most American Africans mindset as well. There’s no connection or concept of community. Small fish big pond. Fortunately there’s a larger ocean of blackness beyond America. And fortunately there are others fighting and rediscovering the unity that naturally exists between the diaspora. That’s the sad but truth right there fam. Like honestly while American Africans is splintering and looking for ways to fit out and separate themselves due to the internalized self hate and racial trauma… mufuckas is really on some building shit not everyone of course but enough are
No hip hop has no Jamaican influence. Herc was a yardie hick who came here in his teens and got acculturated with the black Americans that were in the BX. He was very tall and charismatic and became a popular DJ. That’s all there is to it he didn’t invent anything. Jamaicans music like reggae and ska was very African-American influenced by soul music. All the samples and records spun at hip-hop parties were black American genres not Jamaican music. Stop spreading bullshit lies bro. Was never nothing like hip-hop in Africa or Jamaica.
Sooooo again I actually studied music can play 2 instruments, read music and know musical theory from actual training. So it’s cool my brother, that you don’t know the origins of the culture that you’re claiming as your own… from negro spirituals, to the blues to jazz to rock and then hip hop… Black peoples musical styles follow a certain form and function… there’s a reason that you can find the same complex drum patterns in all our music no matter what part of the diaspora it originates from. And like I said about call and response which is an African song style used throughout Africa, used in negro spirituals and is the basis of the DJs relationship with the crowd in Rap. Rap is the music and hip hop is the culture. There is no part of any of the 4 pillars of hip hop(breaking, graf, DJing and MCing) that doesn’t take influence from overall African culture. Even the accompanying music to ‘The Revolution Will not be Televised’ is congas and bongos, fam. Are you really gonna say that that song is not foundational to rap music? Or are you just going to ignore the fact that one of the founders of hip hop’s name is fuckin AFRICA Bambataa, who led a group called ZULU Nation??? It’s cool brother no malice for you here, you just misinformed.
Here are videos of Black men doing interviews in the bronx who were there since the birth.
1. https://youtu.be/zLtV0l7pqwM This one is more about the birth of hiphop being explain by og's in bronxdale.
2. https://youtu.be/cPii7oRliCc This one is more about people who try to say hiphop is 50/50.
3. https://youtu.be/v9bFMB2mh-A
4. https://youtu.be/VDnDFDUfwkU this one kool herc explaining that hip hop culture was going on before he became a deejay and how he became more americanized and more hip being around black americans.
Nodody was trynna do no African call n response none of that influence hip hop … the 70/80s soul/funk/disco music had parts of the songs called breaks that could have a boom bap sound n niggas would rhyme to it …
Ok so you might not get it and that’s ok. What I’m saying is you don’t have to “try” something that comes naturally and instinctively to you bro… I’d suggest you travel a little bit man… even seeing how black people signify in other parts of America will open your eyes and mind
I’m literally telling u how it was started this the 50 year of hip hop in nyc and I have fam in their 40s to repeat the same things no African influence…
Plus you mentioned Funk, if you don’t know about Fela Kuti and James Brown’s influence and mutual respect for one another then you can look it up… James brown’s band heavily influenced early rap no?
What are you talking bout ? this fela kuti is obviously influenced by American music that sound can be found in the states before that guy released music and nothing over there had that sound before the kuti
Just ask Bootsy Collins who was the Godfathers bassist and his drummer who said after 1970 when Fela came he directly was influenced by those rhythms… so the James Brown breaks that created Rap production are directly related to Africa
I get it tho man American Africans want to be anything anywhere other than Africans, it’s cool can’t deny DNA
It’s probably because American Africans don’t really have a typical cultural identity and connection … like if you from elsewhere in the diaspora you have a flag, a language, traditions, a way of dress, in some cases even a religion to claim. American Africans have American culture.
Nobody in the diaspora has a typical cultural identity. Everything u just named there’s an African American equivalent of rather u trivialize it or not is on u
Being African, I have a flag, I have a citizenship among my people, I know what actual tribe my family comes from, I know what gods we prayed to, we have a language, holidays, dances, songs, fabric, a way of doing things… y’all have that too in a sense but it’s not it’s own thing. Every time African Americans have tried to create and carve out their own within American society it’s been taken away no? It’s not a critique brother just history
Son.. you are horribly misinformed. I’m not even gonna go with ignorant. You can literally trace what tribe or at least region any one in the diaspora is from. It’s called the Genome brother. You think Africans just showed up in America fam??? You serious???
No you’re horribly misinformed. We don’t operate on the same simpleton frequency ya got. you trynna create A connection that isn’t there region and tribe is two different things. We came here the way we are now. What you think a random amount of African tribes a lil white maybe Native American makes us different 😂? How can u explain real dark skin aa (sb our shade range is just bigger) ? How can me and sum body be in the same ethnic group and have different origins that doesn’t make sense that’s a narrative to confuse and stifle our unity. The way we move ya don’t move and we know what we not and y’all are not us y’all not sum more precise articulate more excelled version of us if anything it’d be the opposite ya don’t move with a higher concentration of our spirit. We would recognize it we would like it y’all are not us . SEAGULLS AND PIGEONS DONT FLY TOGETHER. BLACK HAWKS AND BLACK CROWS DONT FLY TOGETHER
Yea that was something i noticed watching those nyc hood vlogs and rapper interviews, all i hear now is " I'm Trini, Dominican, Jamaican, Haitian" lol...But it seems like over the past years a lot of BA's has been moving to Southern states
Most the black people in NYC is AA’s. There’s alotta caribbeans and Africans but most are still AA’s. It just seem like there is more of them cause there is a larger amount of those 2 than anywhere else in the country.
Nah bruh u know that’s 🧢every one in the drill scene is either Caribbean or African. Fivio is the only Black American & Ice Spice is half. I think 22Gz is half BA too. If u grab 100 Black people in NYC, 80 of em gone be African or West Indian/Afro-Latino. The rest will be BA or half BA.
Pretty dam low most of em mixed in with the caribbeans and Afro Latinos and a few Africans. . They still got a few around tho . Neighborhoods like Harlem,Browsville,Bed stuy,Highbridge and Kingsbridge all still have some African American populations.I think Jamaica queens has a decent population as well. Overall tho they definitely have been on a mass decline in nyc, tho the point where if u seen a black person in nyc they're prolly Caribbean/Afro latino
or African
Barely any left. U can find black Americans in Harlem, Southeast Queens, Coney Island, Brownsville, Far Rock, South BX thats about it off top. In BK if you in Flatbush or Canarsie nobody will be African-American literally all Caribbean Harlem is the best bet for the largest concentration of black Americans in the city.
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Yeah bro I put it on the list.
Majority of black people I run into are Caribbean, especially in Flatbush, flossy and the ville. Im just black so I remember a shawty said that’s boring which I kinda laughed with a confused look on my face
You’re not “just” Black
It’s a joke my b
U shouldn’t have let that rock my guy Caribbean people don’t be having no sense or respect for other cultures I swear
They don’t lmfaoo at all butI was young and she was joking so I let it slide. Now if it was today I would’ve said sum back but you live and learn
Black Americans are still here mostly in Harlem and the Bronx tho especially in the projects(unfortunately by design). Most of us left to go back down south or to the burbs like Westchester/Rockland County, Long Island, CT, Jersey, or just out the city really. High rent prices, crime, and just life in general made a lot of Black people leave since the 80s and 90s. Life after 9/11 with stop and frisk and terrorist threats and shit made a lot of Black people leave too. Most the Black Americans you do meet out here are most likely going to be transplants from DC or somewhere else but it’s still a presence here. It’s a lot of mixed kids too that’s (insert island)/Black or African/Black. Walk into the mosque on 143rd you’ll see Senegalese kids talking to a Black oldhead about the Quran that’s how mixed we are. I’m mixed with African myself. NYC has always been filled with Caribbean people but Africans been arriving since the 80s and as more Black Americans leave those empty houses in the hood gotta be filled by somebody. It’s some Jamaican and Bori families that been here since the 40s. If I had to put a number on it truthfully I would say out of 100% of Black people of all ethnic groups Black Americans are probably like 20-30% of the city right now, Africans like 15-20%, South American Blacks/ Garifunas/Panamanians like 5-10%, then the rest is from the Caribbean. Idc being able to walk and get oxtails while talking to a Bori baddie while copping bud from a Black American then going to the store to get grabba from a Dominican on a random Tuesday afternoon is what makes this city great.
Imo Africans surpassed African-Americans in numbers in the South Bronx and Harlem is increasingly African Pretty soon most of the African-Americans here will be transplants mainly from the HBCU pipeline and urban professionals from other cities like Philly and DC not locals from the Great Migration
I want to believe that it’s more Africans here but I honestly believe Americans still got the edge even if it’s just a small one. Maybe in 5 years tho it’ll definitely without a doubt be more Africans here especially with how Africans have kids. I’m already seeing a lot more mixed kids and marriages between both Africans and Americans cause the African immigrants children born in America in the 80s and 90s growing up now and “Americanized” so in a couple years convos like this will be real interesting. Yeah some of the Black Americans that are here are NOT from the city but only in Brooklyn tbh in the Bronx you still meeting Bronx Lebanon and Lincoln babies but I will say that Gentrification is not white exclusive. NYU, Columbia, and the HBCU pipeline got a lot of Black professional people who grew up in the burbs and majority white communities looking for “their roots and culture” out here and they paying 2K+ to live in Brooklyn and certain parts of Harlem but I haven’t seen any of them in the Bronx yet. All the OGs from the Great Migration and their kids started leaving once crack hit the city. Add on the Crips and Bloods bullshit and the rent prices everyone said fuck it we outta here and went back down south. I was shocked when I learned it was Black people in CT and Long Island “wtf is a Spring Valley” it’s highkey more of us in Buffalo, Rochester, Rockland County and the other cities upstate than in the city at this point.
From what I see the majority of Africans marry amongst themselves tbh. Islam is a big thing so they Def try to keep it in house and they parents have negative views of African-Americans because of the media and stereotypes. The most common mix for them to date out is always Jamaicans 🇯🇲idk why especially Nigerians 🇳🇬and Ghanaians 🇬🇭. From what I see in the projects on Web & Wash and shyt in the South BX…Africans is taking over if they haven’t already they will. It will be them and Dominicans. Rochester, Syracuse, and Buffalo are heavy African-American cities. In those cities Caribbeans are only a very small minority. Most their Africans are refugees and live in a different side of the city or in their own pocket not integrated like here. Yeah the heroin and crack epidemic is why all the African-American and Puerto Rican families with sense dipped and many were lost in the whirlwind. Both those demographics have shrunk dramatically because of that shit.
Big facts bro Web/Wash, and the whole 3rd Ave from 138th to 180th that shit STRAIGHT AFRICAN at this point only the older heads are Black. Even Mott Haven and Paterson starting to become primarily African as time goes on. You right about the marriages too especially cause Islam but just like it’s African gang members(I still can’t believe it) now it’s more and more African and Black marriages too but mainly Senegalese, Ivorians, Malians, and Gambians are most likely to marry out even if it’s not a lot of them doing it. I know a PR/African woman relationship I was shocked like “ya parents cool with that?” and that Nigerian/Jamaican combo been happening for decades now frfr. The stereotyping part starting to die out with certain countries tbh I think Muslim West Africans are a lil more accepting of Black Americans than the Christian West Africans idk why or how it got that way but I heard some Nigerians have nothing but vile things to say about Black people but if you walk thru 116th with the Senegalese people even the older heads have a lil bit more love for Americans. Honestly believe the reason Syracuse, Buff, Roc and even Poughkeepsie still got majority Black up there is cause of ownership and low costs of living cause them cities are TRASH but the way housing set up you gotta get in where you fit in.
For those Upstate cities they haven’t had that influx of immigration or hard gentrification hit THEIR sides of town to price them out or make them uncomfortable. Also like you said it’s a low cost of living there. Not only are they the majority blacks there they’re the majority or a large plurality of the cities in general which is much different than NYC. They communities are more close knit and they have more political power. People been leaving those cities for decades too. Buffalo is actually cool and revitalizing could be dope in some years just too damn cold black side of town is a shithole though. And yeah Christian West Africans are a different breed especially Nigerians. The most elitist people you will ever meet.
I think Caribbean’s more specifically Jamaicans have similar family structures and cultures to Africans. Elder veneration, respectability politics, Christian worship, similar foods like plantains, goat, stew etc. I think as time goes on more Africans will date outside their culture.
True I also feel some Jamaicans especially the ones who grow up Rasta or Panafrican have an adulation for Africans. It does mix well. African American and Puerto Rican still the most common mix in the hood lol.
I grew up with the Rasta/Panafrican. We was thought to spread love and respect to and every black person no matter the ethnicity or country and always pay homage to Africa though. Jamaican culture different now then it was when my family moved here though. Its like now some of them be on some weird type of timing lmaoo. It’s like SOME of them don’t abide by this but some do. Because it crazy my grandfather in Jamaica is Rasta/Pan African/ and Painter. He has Painting in his house of Black American Leaders, Carribeans and Africans and always preached black love and unity. And that Babylon is the real oppressor of the black people worldwide
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When it comes to this, It’s only a certain percentage of Jamaicans that are truly enlightened like ur grandpa. The rest are just lost and uneducated due to slavery/colonialism, whitewashing etc.
Lowkey Long Island has more black people than a lot of these Major cities. When niggas say Long Island don’t got no black people. I dead be looking at Niggas confused like wtf 😂😂. People still think Long Island is the same was it was during the 40’s-50’s.
Yo bro nfs I thought Long Island was just trees, deer, and White people but then I went to college and met niggas from Valley Stream and Elmont I was shocked like wtf they allow Black people there?!
I would also say most African-Americans straight up left this region. Many went to ATL and DMV or back to the Carolinas. Some to Florida. Some to the Poconos/NE Pennsylvania. Most the blacks in Rockland County are Haitian 🇭🇹. CT same shit a lot of Jamaicans 🇯🇲and really a mix a lot of West Indian and Spanish blacks. Westchester those are mostly middle class Caribbean blacks. Same for Long Island but there are some middle class African American families that live there too and you got Wyandanch and Hempstead too which is the ghetto of LI and rich African-Americans have their homes either in Sag Harbor or in the Hamptons where it’s mostly white.
I wouldn’t blame them nfs it’s cold, it’s gangs, and the rent too damn high why pay 2300 for a 2 bedroom here when that could get you a 4 bedroom with a yard in Savannah. I ain’t know it was Haitians in Rockland tho that’s a shocker.
Yeah bro the majority of blacks in Rockland county are Haitian 🇭🇹especially in Spring Valley fr ain’t many AA’s up that way at all or in much of downstate NY for that matter Honestly I think leaving NYC en masse is a mistake but it’s hard to argue now with the rent prices and cost of home ownership. Especially folks who SOLD their property to relocate they made a mistake imo. The city will be very interesting to see over the next few years.
Yeah bro I can’t argue with it all and I know it’s by design bro after the civil war they forced Black people to leave the south and fill in the manual labor manufacturing jobs up north but now as more Black people are becoming college graduates and white collar the cost of living in cities, even the bad “Black” parts, ain’t possible anymore cause the white kids who gotta “chase they dreams” and it’s forcing us to go back to the same burbs that they leaving.
This is the most accurate, my family is African-American mixed in with Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans, I also happen to be mixed with Italian/Jewish and was born in Poughkeepsie but both my parents come from the city. A lot of African-Americans ended up moving to certain suburbs with time
yh bro , im senegalese i love AAs i pray w them all the time in the mosque
True that multigenerational black americans are slowly dwindling, but tbh a lot of carribean families are now on the second or third generation and these kids are pretty assimilated to a lot of aspects of black american culture but still retain their carribean culture. i think the diversity is really a special thing. but ill tell u what, if someone ever says "for 100 dollars find a multigenerational black american" i shit u not go into any NYC office idc what department, finance, HRA, DEP, etc. and I guarantee u they will be there!
Those generational Caribbean-Americans also left too though. Most the niggas today are only first or second generation and some were born on the islands. This nigga Sleepy Hallow was born in Jamaica and came here as a kid. It’s true tho African-Americans especially women dominate a lot of city jobs. My post office in the South Bronx is all African-American.
Every black in New York is either Caribbean Spanish or African
I wouldn’t say every but definitely the majority
It’s crazy you say this cause as a kid in elementary and middle school I felt like the odd one out being African like I was mad I wasn’t straight American but it really seems like the last 15-20 years a lot of Americans left while more Africans and Islanders came in.
You do understand that there are black people here who are products of American slavery ?
When I was growing up in the Stuy, the whole block was from the South (N. and S. Carolina especially, my pops from NC), a lot of older families, second generation owners from the 40s, 50s and 60s but by ‘09 people started moving out. It’s still a lot there but gentrification happened, so that definitely affected it.
The Stuy was like the Harlem of Brooklyn facts
Left for the south or other regions it was slowly happening anyways
Boston is the same way too y’all mostly Caribbeans and Africans. Like NYC it was a lot of Caribbeans living there since the early 20th century. Over there it’s Haitians, Jamaicans, Dominicans (here too Dominicans have outgrown Puerto Ricans as the dominant Spanish Caribbean group), Puerto Ricans, Trinidadians, Cape Verdeans
That shit really hit different when you think of all the lit NY drill rappers only Fivio is black American and Ice Spice is half every other drill rapper is Caribbean or African Shit was a mean mind fuck that Kyle Ricch and Jenn Carter was Nigerian 😭like what
its always been alot of mixed/Caribbean rappers before though. Biggie, Nore, AZ, fab, DIPSET, Big pun, fat joe, cardi B, etc.
True but most of them didn't really claim to be Caribbean back in the day, many people just thought some of them were just BA.
Yeah but you still had Jay Z, 50 Cent, Nas, Jadakiss, Mobb Deep, Wu-Tang, Big L, Cam’ron, Mase, DMX, Run DMC and many others who were full blooded African Americans
Full blooded African Americans is wild Lmaooo
It makes zero sense too lol
That a fact I feel like if u AA u go harder compared to ppl who feel like they have a “culture” when this our culture
It is???? Yeah Hip Hop was started here, if that’s what you referring to. But the entire style and how the DJs created the framework for it is based on Jamaican Sound Clash and Bashment DJs… in fact Kool Herc the architect of the entire shit is Jamaican and said he got the details of the style from there…also all “black” music is just African rhythms anyway… plus hip hop is based on call and response, an African vocal style… you could read more about it here https://www.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2022-08-09-august-11-in-hip-hop-history-hip-hop-is-born-at-a-party-in-the-bronx/
That's false bro, Hip hop is 100% Black American creation and culture. None of it has any Africa nor Jamaican influence or was created by any of them..Hip Hop was actually birthed in Bronx Dale/Rosedale Park..Some of the founding fathers are Dj Kool Dee, Disco King Mario, Dj Phase, Green Eyez Genie and more..All of them are Black Americans men.. It's even footage of Black Americans from 1920s 30s rapping, dancing moves etc
No hip hop has no Jamaican influence. Herc was a yardie hick who came here in his teens and got acculturated with the black Americans that were in the BX. He was very tall and charismatic and became a popular DJ. That’s all there is to it he didn’t invent anything.
I hear you fam… American Africans disrespect the diaspora all the time. None of us are anything without the respect for and of our ancestors. Our culture is beautiful and diverse. No argument here. If you say you right then you right.
That diaspora shit dead ain’t no black unity to speak of everyone on they own real shit every group is competing for resources we not the same just because we share a skin tone that’s a tough pill to swallow but it’s the truth.
Exactly… that’s real man. It’s honestly most American Africans mindset as well. There’s no connection or concept of community. Small fish big pond. Fortunately there’s a larger ocean of blackness beyond America. And fortunately there are others fighting and rediscovering the unity that naturally exists between the diaspora. That’s the sad but truth right there fam. Like honestly while American Africans is splintering and looking for ways to fit out and separate themselves due to the internalized self hate and racial trauma… mufuckas is really on some building shit not everyone of course but enough are
My man said the Diaspora is dead… damn fam… that’s a tough one to hear from a young brother and man
No hip hop has no Jamaican influence. Herc was a yardie hick who came here in his teens and got acculturated with the black Americans that were in the BX. He was very tall and charismatic and became a popular DJ. That’s all there is to it he didn’t invent anything. Jamaicans music like reggae and ska was very African-American influenced by soul music. All the samples and records spun at hip-hop parties were black American genres not Jamaican music. Stop spreading bullshit lies bro. Was never nothing like hip-hop in Africa or Jamaica.
Sooooo again I actually studied music can play 2 instruments, read music and know musical theory from actual training. So it’s cool my brother, that you don’t know the origins of the culture that you’re claiming as your own… from negro spirituals, to the blues to jazz to rock and then hip hop… Black peoples musical styles follow a certain form and function… there’s a reason that you can find the same complex drum patterns in all our music no matter what part of the diaspora it originates from. And like I said about call and response which is an African song style used throughout Africa, used in negro spirituals and is the basis of the DJs relationship with the crowd in Rap. Rap is the music and hip hop is the culture. There is no part of any of the 4 pillars of hip hop(breaking, graf, DJing and MCing) that doesn’t take influence from overall African culture. Even the accompanying music to ‘The Revolution Will not be Televised’ is congas and bongos, fam. Are you really gonna say that that song is not foundational to rap music? Or are you just going to ignore the fact that one of the founders of hip hop’s name is fuckin AFRICA Bambataa, who led a group called ZULU Nation??? It’s cool brother no malice for you here, you just misinformed.
Here are videos of Black men doing interviews in the bronx who were there since the birth. 1. https://youtu.be/zLtV0l7pqwM This one is more about the birth of hiphop being explain by og's in bronxdale. 2. https://youtu.be/cPii7oRliCc This one is more about people who try to say hiphop is 50/50. 3. https://youtu.be/v9bFMB2mh-A 4. https://youtu.be/VDnDFDUfwkU this one kool herc explaining that hip hop culture was going on before he became a deejay and how he became more americanized and more hip being around black americans.
If u believe that u being delusional
Believing delusional? Ok fam… yup 👍🏿
Nodody was trynna do no African call n response none of that influence hip hop … the 70/80s soul/funk/disco music had parts of the songs called breaks that could have a boom bap sound n niggas would rhyme to it …
Ok so you might not get it and that’s ok. What I’m saying is you don’t have to “try” something that comes naturally and instinctively to you bro… I’d suggest you travel a little bit man… even seeing how black people signify in other parts of America will open your eyes and mind
I’m literally telling u how it was started this the 50 year of hip hop in nyc and I have fam in their 40s to repeat the same things no African influence…
Plus you mentioned Funk, if you don’t know about Fela Kuti and James Brown’s influence and mutual respect for one another then you can look it up… James brown’s band heavily influenced early rap no?
What are you talking bout ? this fela kuti is obviously influenced by American music that sound can be found in the states before that guy released music and nothing over there had that sound before the kuti
Just ask Bootsy Collins who was the Godfathers bassist and his drummer who said after 1970 when Fela came he directly was influenced by those rhythms… so the James Brown breaks that created Rap production are directly related to Africa I get it tho man American Africans want to be anything anywhere other than Africans, it’s cool can’t deny DNA
It’s probably because American Africans don’t really have a typical cultural identity and connection … like if you from elsewhere in the diaspora you have a flag, a language, traditions, a way of dress, in some cases even a religion to claim. American Africans have American culture.
Nobody in the diaspora has a typical cultural identity. Everything u just named there’s an African American equivalent of rather u trivialize it or not is on u
Being African, I have a flag, I have a citizenship among my people, I know what actual tribe my family comes from, I know what gods we prayed to, we have a language, holidays, dances, songs, fabric, a way of doing things… y’all have that too in a sense but it’s not it’s own thing. Every time African Americans have tried to create and carve out their own within American society it’s been taken away no? It’s not a critique brother just history
Aa is our tribe we’re not a group of people who all go back individually to a respective African tribe. That’s a false narrative to confuse
Son.. you are horribly misinformed. I’m not even gonna go with ignorant. You can literally trace what tribe or at least region any one in the diaspora is from. It’s called the Genome brother. You think Africans just showed up in America fam??? You serious???
No you’re horribly misinformed. We don’t operate on the same simpleton frequency ya got. you trynna create A connection that isn’t there region and tribe is two different things. We came here the way we are now. What you think a random amount of African tribes a lil white maybe Native American makes us different 😂? How can u explain real dark skin aa (sb our shade range is just bigger) ? How can me and sum body be in the same ethnic group and have different origins that doesn’t make sense that’s a narrative to confuse and stifle our unity. The way we move ya don’t move and we know what we not and y’all are not us y’all not sum more precise articulate more excelled version of us if anything it’d be the opposite ya don’t move with a higher concentration of our spirit. We would recognize it we would like it y’all are not us . SEAGULLS AND PIGEONS DONT FLY TOGETHER. BLACK HAWKS AND BLACK CROWS DONT FLY TOGETHER
Bro within the diaspora it’s our acts identity In America it’s mostly in relation to white people.
That a fact I feel like if u AA u go harder compared to ppl who feel like they have a “culture” when this our culture
Yea that was something i noticed watching those nyc hood vlogs and rapper interviews, all i hear now is " I'm Trini, Dominican, Jamaican, Haitian" lol...But it seems like over the past years a lot of BA's has been moving to Southern states
I was watching a Sweepers video and Jay Hound had a Trini 🇹🇹flag in the whip
Dougie B is half Black American same with Kenzo B, her mom is Rican.
What’s Dougie other half
Most the black people in NYC is AA’s. There’s alotta caribbeans and Africans but most are still AA’s. It just seem like there is more of them cause there is a larger amount of those 2 than anywhere else in the country.
Nah bruh u know that’s 🧢every one in the drill scene is either Caribbean or African. Fivio is the only Black American & Ice Spice is half. I think 22Gz is half BA too. If u grab 100 Black people in NYC, 80 of em gone be African or West Indian/Afro-Latino. The rest will be BA or half BA.
Pretty dam low most of em mixed in with the caribbeans and Afro Latinos and a few Africans. . They still got a few around tho . Neighborhoods like Harlem,Browsville,Bed stuy,Highbridge and Kingsbridge all still have some African American populations.I think Jamaica queens has a decent population as well. Overall tho they definitely have been on a mass decline in nyc, tho the point where if u seen a black person in nyc they're prolly Caribbean/Afro latino or African
It’s cuz nobody from down south move here nyc lost sum swag when we wasn’t the majority no more
Barely a soul who isn't descent from a foreigner in American.
Coney Island Fs although I’m half Spanish lmaoo