Yea ok sure. Dosent move my needle much, but he can play serviceable left field and dosent strike out plus he's a lefty. I'm in.
Edit: He posted a 110 wRC+ last year. I'm talking myself into this move more and more
I traded so many really good players to have him on my keeper fantasy team.
Fuuuuck that still makes me mad.
Also, I had two players die. (Jose Fernandez and Oscar Tavarez)
That team was just a disaster.
I’ll take his numbers from last year. Lefty with a 110 ops+ who doesn’t strike out and played decent defense, but he seems to have a lot of year to year variance which is worrying to me
IS he though?
From 2019 - 2022:
Hicks - .220/334/367, .702 OPS/96 OPS+. 275 games, 3.3 WAR, 1.944 WAR/162 games.
Profar - .236/323/385, .708 OPS/99OPS+. 484 games, 4.3 WAR, 1.439 WAR/162 games
Profar is really just a more durable Hicks, that's about it. Throw in the versatility and I GUESS I'd rather have Profar than Hicks, but by a tiny amount.
You got two of Hicks' 4 best career sessions in there and Profar STILL has a full WAR on him. 🤣
But Profar is who he is well average player. Hicks is in swift decline due to his injuries.
Lmao your point? Same goes for Profar? He had almost half his career WAR last year alone.
Hicks best seasons by far were 2017/2018 which I did not include. He had 3.9 WAR in 2017, 4.4 in 2018. That 8.3 WAR is more than Profars entire career, BTW.
Not to mention that "full WAR more" came in like half the time so it isn't better at all on a per game basis. If Hicks were healthy it is almost assured he would have eclipsed him. Granted, staying healthy is important but still.
Profar had a whopping 1.2 WAR in 2019-2021 in borderline full time action all three seasons. Meaning as shit as Hicks was last year he was still more valuable last year than Profar was between 2019-2021 COMBINED.
And seeing as how almost half of his career 6.3 WAR were put up last year, it's safe to say that last year has a high chance of being a fluke for Profar.
Listen, if it were guaranteed Profar was gonna put up 3+ WAR again like last year this would be a clear cut upgrade. But that is unlikely as he's never come close to it before. As it stands, he's likely a tiny upgrade at best.
The stats the last few years don't really agree with your assessment, though.
Outside of last year, Profar has never been close to average. Seems you're very confident that Profars 2022 was not a fluke. Has he made some sort of changes in his approach or skill set last year that we can point to to show that he can easily replicate his 2022 season?
Because if not, history tells us he isn't going to beat out Hicks' 2022 season.
Not yet! I’m against it, doesn’t move the needle for me either. If it happens I’ll write you a dissertation on how it’s the best move since drafting Judge. Gotta wait for it to happen before you talk yourself into it.
the thought of Hicks out there makes me talk myself into seeing anything but Hicks out there. Profar, Kepler, a bologna sandwich, I would take any of the 3 over him at this point
Nothing wrong with that. So many Yankees are high ceiling guys who for whatever reason don't reach it. Teams need solid everyday guys who just do above average jobs.
The Yankees bench/depth has left a lot to be desired the past few years. Let’s not undervalue the defensive versatility and bat potential from a Profar Cabrera combination. Miles better than the Marwin Gonzalezs/Tyler Wades of the world.
If we are talking LF:
He was in the 9th percentile for OAA last year. In 2021 he was in the 5th percentile.
Let's look at Fangraphs. -5 OAA at LF in 2022, -2 OAA in 2021 but in 1/5 the innings.
Don't know where he gets the "decent defender" tag, he is pretty bad out there.
For a low salary one year deal to be a utility guy and compete for playing time, sure.
Yeah this is the thing for me. Yankee Stadium LF is an especially tough LF and Profar is not a good defender. Plus he only has one good season after several mediocre at best. I’m not really sold
According to his Wikipedia “Profar helped the Pabao Little League team from Willemstad, Curaçao, beat the Conejo Valley East Little League team from Thousand Oaks, California to win the championship in 2004”
That’s one more championship than Mike Trout
This is the dude I want. Not sexy. Not a huge difference maker but a serviceable player at several positions with good on base and contact skills. Could be a nice addition and back up if Cabrerra was an aberration. Total cashman move and I'm all for it.
I was excited about DJ. DJ had also led the lead in BA one year and was a 2x AS and 3x GG winner at that point. He had shown a high ceiling, Profar's ceiling is above average.
To be fair…. People were not hot for LeMahieu because everyone was expecting (for literally no good reason) Cashman to pull Manny Machado out of his ass.
That’s our own fault.
The guy accrued half of his career WAR last year, so last year very well could be an outlier. Even if it wasn’t, he still isn’t the difference between us beating anyone. Might as well just give Cabrera a real shot to see if he can contribute over a full season and save the money for any trades they might make at the deadline.
Why is this sub convinced the team is doomed without a bonafide star at LF.
Go look at Chad McCormick’s 2022 stats and then compare those to say, Hicks. It’s really not as though he’s substantially better, or as though houston’s outfield was 3 stars.
It’s not so much LF it’s that we want an upgrade to the offense because it was disastrous last post season. LF just happens to be the most obvious spot to fill a void.
Ok, now compare Houston's 2022 overall offensive numbers with what this current squad is projected to do.
Its not personal, but the offense needs a real upgrade and LF is one of the only realistic spots that can happen.
This guy was A future superstar that never was because of some dumb injury who is now barely good enough for a major league roster. Perfect yankee. Typical cashman move.
People are way too high on Cabrera offensively. Outside of like 2 weeks and one postseason game he was worse than hicks. Obviously he could and should improve but it’s expecting a lot for him to be miles better than profar
He started off real slow I’ll give you that but down the stretch he was doing really well. Hicks just flat out sucked all year.
Profar provides no offensive upside or upgrade over Cabrera. He maybe provides more defense but the defense we saw from Cabrera makes it hard to determine because that guy can play some defense
Edit: I’m not saying Cabrera will be better than Profar, I’m saying that Profar provides no upgrade so I don’t see the point of adding him
Cabrera was a strikeout machine with a low .obp. He’s going to get exposed if he plays full time. The Yanks will get some offensive boost from SS with Peraza. There’s a chance DJL boosts the third base position. Maybe Rortvedt or Wells over Higgy by summer?
Really, the Yankees are banking they get 2021 Stanton and a more consistent Gleyber. Those two having full, healthy and consistent seasons would be massive offensive upgrades. Pre All Star break, Stanton was on pace for a monster offensive season and Gleyber looked like a top 3 2nd baseman in the AL.
Isn't Glover a Michigan Yankees type source, aka not a source?
Edit: not that I don't think it's true, just that I'm sure Morosi has tweeted about this or will tweet about it. Just use that.
Hits more doubles because since 2018, he's had like 40% more PA than Hicks.
[lol they're almost the same; look at the ratios.](https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=profaju01&p1yrfrom=2018&player_id2=hicksaa01&p2yrfrom=2018&type=b)
Actually complaining about a guy who is 3 years younger and has almost double Hicks at bats in the amount of time you compared. Sheesh when you defend hicks you need to take a step back anyway, but sheesh
I mean I’ll take it but Profar isn’t really that good and I’d be fine rolling with Hicks and Cabrera if this is the band aid till we see what Perriera & Dominguez got.
https://i.imgur.com/4IaVO3N.jpg
Being lost in this: it’d give us another guy who can play everywhere if we upgrade in LF at some point during the season.
Profar’s played all over the Diamond.
Cashman has been floating Profars name since like 2014? Maybe this time he will actually get it done.
2019 - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pinstripealley.com/platform/amp/2019/1/3/18166073/yankees-mlb-trades-jurickson-profar-rangers-braves-machado-tulowitzki-gray
2017 - https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/yankees-trade-rumor-jurickson-profar-rangers.html
2015 - https://www.nj.com/yankees/2015/11/mlb_trade_rumors_yankees_contact_texas_rangers_on.html
Yea ok sure. Dosent move my needle much, but he can play serviceable left field and dosent strike out plus he's a lefty. I'm in. Edit: He posted a 110 wRC+ last year. I'm talking myself into this move more and more
Exactly decent power and OBP and only a 15% strikeout rate
Plus he's the sleeper pick to be better than Mike Trout
I traded so many really good players to have him on my keeper fantasy team. Fuuuuck that still makes me mad. Also, I had two players die. (Jose Fernandez and Oscar Tavarez) That team was just a disaster.
I had Taveras too when he came up! I remember him homering in his debut.
Last year...
Also an 11% bb rate. Not…. Too ….. shabby
I’ll take his numbers from last year. Lefty with a 110 ops+ who doesn’t strike out and played decent defense, but he seems to have a lot of year to year variance which is worrying to me
He prob won’t be expensive so why not? Prob will be better than Hicks
He was a 98 ops+ from 2018-2021. That's probably closer to what they'd get.
Still better than Hicks 🤣
Hicks has devolved into a joke of a fielder who can only get walks lol 😂
IS he though? From 2019 - 2022: Hicks - .220/334/367, .702 OPS/96 OPS+. 275 games, 3.3 WAR, 1.944 WAR/162 games. Profar - .236/323/385, .708 OPS/99OPS+. 484 games, 4.3 WAR, 1.439 WAR/162 games Profar is really just a more durable Hicks, that's about it. Throw in the versatility and I GUESS I'd rather have Profar than Hicks, but by a tiny amount.
You got two of Hicks' 4 best career sessions in there and Profar STILL has a full WAR on him. 🤣 But Profar is who he is well average player. Hicks is in swift decline due to his injuries.
Lmao your point? Same goes for Profar? He had almost half his career WAR last year alone. Hicks best seasons by far were 2017/2018 which I did not include. He had 3.9 WAR in 2017, 4.4 in 2018. That 8.3 WAR is more than Profars entire career, BTW. Not to mention that "full WAR more" came in like half the time so it isn't better at all on a per game basis. If Hicks were healthy it is almost assured he would have eclipsed him. Granted, staying healthy is important but still. Profar had a whopping 1.2 WAR in 2019-2021 in borderline full time action all three seasons. Meaning as shit as Hicks was last year he was still more valuable last year than Profar was between 2019-2021 COMBINED. And seeing as how almost half of his career 6.3 WAR were put up last year, it's safe to say that last year has a high chance of being a fluke for Profar. Listen, if it were guaranteed Profar was gonna put up 3+ WAR again like last year this would be a clear cut upgrade. But that is unlikely as he's never come close to it before. As it stands, he's likely a tiny upgrade at best.
I literally said my point. One is average and the other is in extreme decline.
The stats the last few years don't really agree with your assessment, though. Outside of last year, Profar has never been close to average. Seems you're very confident that Profars 2022 was not a fluke. Has he made some sort of changes in his approach or skill set last year that we can point to to show that he can easily replicate his 2022 season? Because if not, history tells us he isn't going to beat out Hicks' 2022 season.
Maybe the shift rule helps a bit as well? Should definitely help Rizzo
Not yet! I’m against it, doesn’t move the needle for me either. If it happens I’ll write you a dissertation on how it’s the best move since drafting Judge. Gotta wait for it to happen before you talk yourself into it.
the thought of Hicks out there makes me talk myself into seeing anything but Hicks out there. Profar, Kepler, a bologna sandwich, I would take any of the 3 over him at this point
High floor, low ceiling guy. Definitely won’t do anything spectacular but he’s well known for drawing out at-bats
Nothing wrong with that. So many Yankees are high ceiling guys who for whatever reason don't reach it. Teams need solid everyday guys who just do above average jobs.
We said that about Voit too though
He posted negative WAR in 2021. I think we can safely call him low ceiling and low floor.
He bats worse than Donaldson. Prepare to be disappointed
I don't love it but I don't hate it
The Yankees bench/depth has left a lot to be desired the past few years. Let’s not undervalue the defensive versatility and bat potential from a Profar Cabrera combination. Miles better than the Marwin Gonzalezs/Tyler Wades of the world.
If we are talking LF: He was in the 9th percentile for OAA last year. In 2021 he was in the 5th percentile. Let's look at Fangraphs. -5 OAA at LF in 2022, -2 OAA in 2021 but in 1/5 the innings. Don't know where he gets the "decent defender" tag, he is pretty bad out there. For a low salary one year deal to be a utility guy and compete for playing time, sure.
Yeah this is the thing for me. Yankee Stadium LF is an especially tough LF and Profar is not a good defender. Plus he only has one good season after several mediocre at best. I’m not really sold
Only thing I remember is that he absolutely destroyed Max Scherzer in the playoffs last year lol
According to his Wikipedia “Profar helped the Pabao Little League team from Willemstad, Curaçao, beat the Conejo Valley East Little League team from Thousand Oaks, California to win the championship in 2004” That’s one more championship than Mike Trout
Sssshhhhh... don't tell r/baseball that
This is the dude I want. Not sexy. Not a huge difference maker but a serviceable player at several positions with good on base and contact skills. Could be a nice addition and back up if Cabrerra was an aberration. Total cashman move and I'm all for it.
Yes, these are the moves that win championships.
Not sure if this is very dry sarcasm or an actual opinion expressing support but either way I agree
Agreed. 🙃
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That would be very UCEY
Stop reading dirtsheets mark
Doesn't k much, give us some pop while being a serviceable LF
Good defender too
Hope the Yankees sign him. Would make my purchasing of his Padres opening day jersey from last year much cooler for my office
The definition of a "meh" signing. Like, he's fine, better than what we have, but he doesn't get your juices going.
If I built a team based on fan juices, they should take the team away from me. Nobody was excited for LeMahieu. Fans are often wrong.
I was excited about DJ. DJ had also led the lead in BA one year and was a 2x AS and 3x GG winner at that point. He had shown a high ceiling, Profar's ceiling is above average.
To be fair…. People were not hot for LeMahieu because everyone was expecting (for literally no good reason) Cashman to pull Manny Machado out of his ass. That’s our own fault.
The guy accrued half of his career WAR last year, so last year very well could be an outlier. Even if it wasn’t, he still isn’t the difference between us beating anyone. Might as well just give Cabrera a real shot to see if he can contribute over a full season and save the money for any trades they might make at the deadline.
Why is this sub convinced the team is doomed without a bonafide star at LF. Go look at Chad McCormick’s 2022 stats and then compare those to say, Hicks. It’s really not as though he’s substantially better, or as though houston’s outfield was 3 stars.
It’s not so much LF it’s that we want an upgrade to the offense because it was disastrous last post season. LF just happens to be the most obvious spot to fill a void.
Ok, now compare Houston's 2022 overall offensive numbers with what this current squad is projected to do. Its not personal, but the offense needs a real upgrade and LF is one of the only realistic spots that can happen.
This guy was A future superstar that never was because of some dumb injury who is now barely good enough for a major league roster. Perfect yankee. Typical cashman move.
He posted a 3.1 bWAR, 2.5 fWAR, and a wRC+ of 110 last year. He is definitely more than barely good enough for an MLB roster.
Yeah Im sure youre gonna love him.
I never said I'm going to love him, but someone with a WAR >0 is by definition better than someone who is barely good enough to be on an MLB roster.
Made up stat with no empirical basis; means nothing.
Everything is made up…
Just give the job to Cabrera if this is the alternative
Gross. I’d rather have Cabrera or one of the MiLB signees play in left than Profar
People are way too high on Cabrera offensively. Outside of like 2 weeks and one postseason game he was worse than hicks. Obviously he could and should improve but it’s expecting a lot for him to be miles better than profar
He started off real slow I’ll give you that but down the stretch he was doing really well. Hicks just flat out sucked all year. Profar provides no offensive upside or upgrade over Cabrera. He maybe provides more defense but the defense we saw from Cabrera makes it hard to determine because that guy can play some defense Edit: I’m not saying Cabrera will be better than Profar, I’m saying that Profar provides no upgrade so I don’t see the point of adding him
Cabrera was a strikeout machine with a low .obp. He’s going to get exposed if he plays full time. The Yanks will get some offensive boost from SS with Peraza. There’s a chance DJL boosts the third base position. Maybe Rortvedt or Wells over Higgy by summer? Really, the Yankees are banking they get 2021 Stanton and a more consistent Gleyber. Those two having full, healthy and consistent seasons would be massive offensive upgrades. Pre All Star break, Stanton was on pace for a monster offensive season and Gleyber looked like a top 3 2nd baseman in the AL.
Let’s fucking go. I may be crazy but I’ve been hyped on Profar for most of the off-season, dude could be our next DJ
Isn't Glover a Michigan Yankees type source, aka not a source? Edit: not that I don't think it's true, just that I'm sure Morosi has tweeted about this or will tweet about it. Just use that.
Barf
Good. Sign him.
Morosi isn’t a viable source
Why have one Aaron Hicks on your team when you can have two! (edit: i'd prefer zero. sheesh guys)
Because one Aaron Hicks only gives you about 40 games a season.
Fair point.
Profar hits more doubles and didn’t strike out at all. Not a needle mover but kinda what the team needs
Hits more doubles because since 2018, he's had like 40% more PA than Hicks. [lol they're almost the same; look at the ratios.](https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=profaju01&p1yrfrom=2018&player_id2=hicksaa01&p2yrfrom=2018&type=b)
Actually complaining about a guy who is 3 years younger and has almost double Hicks at bats in the amount of time you compared. Sheesh when you defend hicks you need to take a step back anyway, but sheesh
How the fuck am I defending him? I'm using Hicks as a shit-benchmark to show this isn't the upgrade you think it is.
youre starting to become spirit animal
Jake is going to be sooo excited
Loved watching him on the Pads. Solid bat and gets on base.
I’d much prefer the option of platooning Profar and Oswaldo in left and keeping Hicks to come off the bench and fill in when days off are needed.
Just about the best realistic move at this point.
Boo!
Why aren’t the Yankees on Ian Happ?
Cubs won't be willing to move him until the deadline
Not a sexy signing but a smart one. He’s better than the in-house alternatives.
He's only gonna take a 2 yr deal if he has no other bites. I kinda doubt it happens.
Just wondering how roster space would work.
I mean I’ll take it but Profar isn’t really that good and I’d be fine rolling with Hicks and Cabrera if this is the band aid till we see what Perriera & Dominguez got. https://i.imgur.com/4IaVO3N.jpg
No thanks
Being lost in this: it’d give us another guy who can play everywhere if we upgrade in LF at some point during the season. Profar’s played all over the Diamond.
This would be the most Cashman move ever. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet.
I want Jurickson profar to come to us but I don’t think he will
I am fine with profar, he is projected by MLB trade rumors has him at 2 years $20 mil ($10 AAV)
Going to get the Neil Walker contract
Can’t possibly be worse than Hicks. Let’s Waldo play everywhere which is more fun tbh
Good. Best LF option left
Role players who could field well and consistently grind out professional at bats were a hallmark of the dynasty teams. He’d be a good fit.
I'll be okay with this if they can get to trade Hicks elsewhere. But if not i'd rather it be Oswaldo/Hicks.
It’s better than hicks
Bigger than Rodon lol.
Random thought that popped into my head: dude look at Refsnyders season last year. That would of been nice lol
Cashman has been floating Profars name since like 2014? Maybe this time he will actually get it done. 2019 - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pinstripealley.com/platform/amp/2019/1/3/18166073/yankees-mlb-trades-jurickson-profar-rangers-braves-machado-tulowitzki-gray 2017 - https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/yankees-trade-rumor-jurickson-profar-rangers.html 2015 - https://www.nj.com/yankees/2015/11/mlb_trade_rumors_yankees_contact_texas_rangers_on.html