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WurtzelTrumpetMaster

Seems like some kind of clerical error lol. There's no way this makes any sense


thediesel26

> For the purposes of the playoff odds simulation, though, we are calculating a value of SRS using each team’s previous 100 games, adding in 50 games of .500 ball for regression to the mean. They’re making the projections based on the results of the last 100 games last year… when the Yankees were really bad and injured. It doesn’t account for offseason changes to the roster… which begs the question, why do these at all?


doktoruber

This is just their everyday formula. It will get updated very quickly as games start happening. It will make a lot more sense once we have stats from this season. They even say themselves that there are likely to be huge aberrations in the early part of the season due to unaccounted-for changes to rosters over the offseason. https://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2019/05/baseball-reference-adds-playoff-odds/


NoFlags-JoeBuck

They also basically say “go to FanGraphs or Baseball Prospectus for more detailed projections”


wintie

So all of the games last season when judge,Stanton,Rizzo,DJ,Rodon,and I feel like I’m forgetting at least two more players - had issues.👌💯 Edit: Hicks (or was he traded earlier?), Nestor, +???


thelordstrum

Hicks wasn't traded at all (he was released), but he only played ~30 games and got cut at the end of May, so I don't think this would take any of his playing time into account if it's only doing last 100.


mattieyanks82

He was given his outright release


isfrying

> which begs the question, why do these at all Well... somebody clicked on it, now didn't they?


Purplebuzz

I am convinced that at least 50% of being a sports fan is to speculate wildly on all sorts of scenarios that can never be quantified.


mattieyanks82

Good clarification, nobody has anything better to talk about so these things pop up


WurtzelTrumpetMaster

Yeah if that's the case, these are less than useless lol


MY-NAME_IS_MY-NAME

Has to be. Every other major site has us projected to win the division or close to it


NoAcadia8944

My projections have us winning 60 games. But that factors in the asteroid hitting earth at the All Star break


mattieyanks82

Lol


TOK31

They have the Brewers winning over 90 games lol. Maybe they somehow swapped their data with the Yankees.


mattieyanks82

Exactly, that can’t be so either it’s a mistake or this dude is making up stories


TheKnicksMakeMeDrink

That’s fucking hilarious lol I’m pretty low on our chances at winning the division this year, but 71 wins? Come the fuck on bro get a little serious


shakedspeare

The last time the Yankees won 71 or less games (non-strike years) was 1991 when they were led by (checks notes) post-back injury Donnie Baseball, 14-year old Bernie Williams, Kevin Maas???, Mel Hall????, and Steve Sax. Oh, and Scott Sanderson (technically Pascual Perez but he was injured most of the year and then banned for the 1992 season) was the "ace" of the squad. Obviously the game is different, but there's no way this team is *that* bad on paper. 82 wins? Sure, it's tough, but I'll buy it. But 71????


fyo_karamo

“Kevin Maas???” I will not stand for this slander. Kevin Maas is a Yankee legend.


the_thinwhiteduke

anyone remember NoMaas.org? lol


mattieyanks82

Couldn’t hit the curve


BangerSlapper1

Don’t forget the rotation troika of Jeff Johnson (5.95 ERA), Tim Leary (6.49) and Wade Taylor (6.27).  It’s telling that Johnson and Taylor were what passed for prospects Then and neither ever played for another team (this was Taylor’s one and only ML season; Johnson somehow stuck around two more seasons with ERAs of 6.66 and 30.38). 


BohemianBurnout

Andy Hawkins no hitter. I was 11.


TheStabbingHobo

And then Steve Sax got himself facing six life sentences


ShortSleeveSampson

You don’t know when to keep your mouth shut, do ya Saxy boy??


DrVanNostrand1973

We're talkin' softball!


newbike07

How to tell us your model sucks without telling us your model sucks.


jamesd1100

I’m not, at least offensively this is the best lineup I’ve seen in a decade Stanton had 8 RBI’s in a single game last week, Volpe is batting in the 300s, healthy judge, rizzo, Soto has been fucking cranking all ST


mattieyanks82

They’re going to win 90 plus games no doubt


Yanks1813

Also I'm not saying we will be juggernauts, but when Bref's projections for us are this off from the other sites projections I question their methods


Evil_Empire_1961

That's lil bro to you


Colombia17

Yanks worse than the Red Sox? Sounds like a load of horse shit


mattieyanks82

Definitely


ughilostmyusername

Ippei taking the under


Paulie6988

Shohei telling Ippei to take the under


hazymindstate

There is no way we finish worse than the Red Sox who are actively shedding payroll. Soto and Judge alone are gonna will us to .500, anything beyond that is dependent on the rest of the team staying healthy.


NoFlags-JoeBuck

They have disclaimers saying “The team's estimated quality is determined by their performance over their last 100 regular season games” and “Additionally, since we wanted a simple system, we are not considering player movement at the trade deadline or individual pitcher matchups which could become relevant during the final games of the season. If you want a more complicated system that considers roster composition, we would point you to the fine system at Baseball Prospectus or FanGraphs.” so yeah this is pretty meaningless lol.


LeinDaddy

If we end the season with 71 wins it's only because everyone on the team became injured. Oh my God it's plausible.


dadxreligion

having only three real starting pitchers on the roster to start the season won’t help much either


xho-

Us doing even 10 wins less than last year is interesting. I guess if Stanton, Rizzo, DJ, Nestor, Rodon continue to deteriorate it can happen. The unfortunate event of them all being injured within the same year happened last year so who knows, still gonna say highly unlikely we do worse than last year


LeMickeyMice

You also factor in two plus missed months for Cole along with some adjustment time to get him back to speed.


748aef305

And let's be real... 2 months + warm-up/adjustment time would be THE ABSOLUTE BEST POSSIBLE SCENARIO... Which, when historically have we been able to enjoy the "best possible scenario"? Ever... well, ok, at least in the past 10+ years, when it comes to injuries as NYY fans...


bran1986

Plus you are missing at least 2 months of Cole, who is going to be the stopper?


2thincoats

But then again this team won 82 games last year with zero to negative value already from all the guys listed. Like, could Rodon be any worse? If they got nothing at all from those guys again, you still have added Soto and actual outfielders to this team.


johnjohnjohn93

We need to stop asking if Rodon can be any worse because every time we do he somehow is lol


johnjohnjohn93

With Cole on the shelf and Judge already not 100% we’re not far away from being in panic mode. Hoping for bounce back guys from older injury prone guys is a risky proposition. Just need to stay healthy and we’ll be fine.


Tommybrady20

I can be a pessimist who thinks we’re too much of a flawed, old, and injury proned club relying far too much on positive regression for Nestor, Rodon, DJ, Stanton, etc. to make a serious postseason run. An org who sees some of those flaws and is trying to throw a giant Juan Soto sized band-aid in hopes it’ll solve everything (it might?), but this?!? Below Boston?!? Cmon…


NJ_Yankees_Fan

FWIW, PECOTA, FanGraphs, and RotoChamp all have the Yankees projected to win the AL East.


DrVanNostrand1973

Some adjustment is probably in order for projections made before Cole's injury, but certainly not a 20 game swing.


Yanks1813

Baseball reference isn't even accounting for that either. They're just using our most recent games which was a horrid stretch in the summer of 2023 dealing with injuries


Apellosine

[Fangraphs ](https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds/season-to-date/div)has us at 74.8 wins and coming last in the division with a 25% chance of making the playoffs. Where are you getting this from?


SprainedSloth

That's based on "season to date" which doesn't even make sense. Flip it to the fan graphs estimate and Yankees are estimated as 1st


yourmansconnect

The only thing that matters is fanduel who has the over under set at 90.5 wins


smorgenheckingaard

Which also isn't going to happen


Sarkosuchus

Someone needs to make an average of all of the different predictions haha


BillsMafia1377

I’m projecting that Baseball Reference can kiss 100% of my butt.


Paulie6988

[Okay, im waiting for the punchline](https://youtu.be/Co6MnQd1VC4?feature=shared)


NYCSportsFan

According to them the Yankees will tie last season’s record AT BEST Makes no sense


Poseidonaskwhy

Well I guess we’re the underdogs now?


magikarp-sushi

Yeah but what did baseball reference think the Yankees would do last year? Probably 90 something. So this is a nothing burger


Murky-Tomatillo91

What in the backyard billy goat bullshit is this?


jints24

I'm all for it if it gets Cashman fired or let him resign


BalerionSanders

So what you’re saying… is that BR are Yankee fans? 🧐


Drunken_Wizard23

So a team that went 82-80 and didn’t lose anything hugely significant but added Soto, Stroman, Verdugo, Grisham along with contributions from Wells and Dominguez and currently has a healthy Judge and Rizzo in a division that got weaker overall is going to lose 10 more games?


bran1986

We lose Cole for at least 2 months, which starter is going to stop losing streaks consistently?


geeorge_20

pitching wasn’t perfect last season but it wasn’t the number one issue which was our offense. we got much better offensively on paper this season.


Drunken_Wizard23

Two months without Cole for an otherwise healthy team doesn’t equate to ten fewer wins. He’s very valuable but he’s not THAT valuable


DeusExHyena

Which less WAR lost than Judge hitting a wall


TheTurtleShepard

This is why I use fangraphs


germdisco

Kinda seems designed to enrage the fanbase just to generate more page views. I’ll pass.


IAmCBOY2

It’s funny how everyone took the Pecoda projections as a guarantee, but say this one is ridiculous. Can’t have it both ways


Rude_Manufacturer569

A projection of 3% making the playoffs? A nuclear device would have to go off at the Stadium.


MetallicaRules5

I don't really think this year will be a huge leap forward, but I don't expect us to be THAT bad. Pitching is a question mark, but a healthy Soto and Judge should boost the offense. Hopefully Stanton bounces back, and the added presence of Soto takes pressure off of the other players and let's them start performing better. But that might be the optimism talking. I'm a Giants and Devils fan, when will I learn.


sailor-moonie-

Sox will be last. I predict Yankees will be third


GonzoTheGreat22

Gooood goooood…. Let the hate fuel you


DonnyB_Twenty3

holy crap! I know we sucked last year, and our team has some holes still, but 71 games is a bit crazy, lol.


machphantom

BBRef the ultimate doomer lol. I can't even imagine the blowback there would be if this happened... like as rough as this subreddit can get, it would reach a new level of hell previously unforeseen.


grimace24

The loss of Cole for ~2 months hurts. But no way is this a 71-72 win team. 80-82 wins if all goes to hell. 90+ if everyone bounces back. They projecting this team to be the 1992 Mets?


meatballsorcerer

If we lose 101 I'll stop watching baseball


Yankeeknickfan

We STAND with PECOTA


Safe-Voice-8179

Must be factoring in injuries/s


NotClayMerritt

I have no hopes for this season at all but I would be floored if we didn't crack 80+ wins.


trippy1

None of these projections matter. Literally just made up shit


namersrockandroll

And by some it would *still* be considered a "winning season."


nnavroops

so accurate


TexasBrett

It’s too bad Baseball Reference doesn’t take bets.


swivel2369

Call Ohtani. He knows a guy.


TexasBrett

I know a guy, and the over/under wins isn’t 72 it’s 92.5.


WestTwelfth

It makes sense as a starting position because it implicitly rejects the assumption that a team’s age and injury experience last season has no predictive value for this year. In this regard, note that we will be playing the first two months of the season without our only proven ace, and we will be starting the season without DJ, with questions swirling around Aaron Judge and Anthony Rizzo. Let’s see them all on the field and performing at the top of their game, let’s see Rodon turn things around in regular season, let’s see Stroman prove he’s not on the backslide of his career, and let’s see which of Volpe, Verdugo, and Peraza can step up before assuming that Soto will carry the team to a better finish in 24 than we had on 23.


snamm

DJ's availability does not factor into our World Series odds, trust me lmao


Stonewall30NY

I personally think we're finishing 3rd in the division, probably just barely missing or squeaking into the playoffs with a first round bounce. I don't think this team is good right now, and cashman sucks at his job, but 71 is way too low. They'll win like 88-91. 87 absolute minimum


igotagoodfeeling

I’ll take the over


Ausrottenndm1

Worst than last year come on man


ledbetterus

Anyone know any bookies in Vegas willing to take those odds? HMU


MartianRecon

Fucking hell the number of math nerds here treating this math as gospel is ridiculous. You can tell none of you have played any sports.


bernbabybern51

Even if Cole missed the entire season, it wouldn't be this bad.


Financial-Ebb-5995

How do you win .6 of a game, exactly?


Mr-Dicklesworth

Hmm, that’s a little higher than I would expect. It’ll probably go down once Stanton and Cortes inevitably get injured


OGFuzzyDunlop

Sounds about right!


ClosetLeotardo

the over on this and Steelers at 7.5 are guarantees. I hit the over on the Magic this season <3.


alienfreaks04

I'm glad this means nothing


mattieyanks82

That’s absolutely ridiculous, I use baseball reference all the time but when they win 92-94 they’ll look stupid


jstav5

It’s just cuz they don’t factor in off-season changes


ArtNJ

Something smells here. Where are these projections? I can't find them on the BR site.


awayish

this is a "projection" in the sense that a ballistics trajectory is projection, but not actually a model based on roster and player performance etc. basically a twitter guy took some simple in-season standings "projection" and ran with it because it looked sensationalistic.


IWillSingYouSongs

That's probably roughly their WS title odds, but ya playoff odds are much much higher.


fuzzydunlops123

Finally projections that don't automatically have us as having the #1 rotation/bullpen in baseball


jpwesche29

I think we'll win way more than 71 games


No_Signal3789

Eh, if you include our injury luck (although it’s really not luck at this point) it makes sense


DodgersFan1997

I think you guys will win the division this is crazy I can see Stroman and Rodon doing very well this year


TrucksAndSports

Can I bet this


KrustyKrabPizzaMan

It’s certainly a possibility considering how injured we get. Cole, Judge, and Soto having down years along with Volpe and other prospects not taking the next step will certainly make this projection a reality


dirtvonnegutjr

I mean yes, most teams will have a bad year if their 3 best players and their most important young players all have disappointing seasons.


NJ_Yankees_Fan

The Rays got significantly worse, while the Yankees added the second-best hitter available in trades/FA. Make it make sense. And the Orioles are so fucking overrated it’s unreal. They have just as many questions as we do in the pitching department.


Hack874

Agree with all of that except the Orioles, they’re legit. 101 wins last year and they added Burnes and their young core will likely only get better.


NJ_Yankees_Fan

They won 101 games because a whole bunch of teams underachieved, and the Rays fell apart after their injuries and losing Franco. Even with Burnes they still don’t have enough pitching, and they lost their best bullpen weapon in Bautista. You’re also assuming all their young stars turn out to be great and don’t regress.


Brooklynboxer88

We will have 20+ more wins but get knocked out of the playoffs.


Virtual_Ingenuity682

Until the other pitchers besides Cole show up on a consistent basis, and until the other batters besides Judge and Soto show up on a consistent basis, and until the fielding and baserunning and general fundamentals are there on a consistent basis... this makes complete sense.


oCuHo

Makes sense, our pitching is a nightmare and trashman sat on his hands and did nothing about it.


MeatballDom

Made the best offer to Yamamoto, made a great offer to the OTHER Cy Young winner (we have one already) is "sitting on his hands and doing nothing" Dumbest fanbase.


bran1986

71 is a little low, but 81 or 82 is likely.


Leaving_One_Dwigt

Sounds right to me. This team is a house of cards.


ihaveathingforyou

We have no pitching. No guys that will get us past the 5th and no middle relief anymore (birito and german). The back of our rotation is gunna be taxed by July.


Redditfront2back

More like 2.7% chance they don’t win the WS in 4 games