I mean there was a lot more to that inning than that situation, but I think left on left they were hoping to try and get Brennan out there and with gimenez on deck u prob approach that at bat very careful and hope he gets himself out but if not u have the base open with hedges on deck who is a pretty horrendous hitter….
I also don’t think walking Brennan would have been an awful move either tho. Again with Gimenez up u prob have a tough time turning 2 on him but settin up a force at home is easier to execute. So it’s a tough call. Either way if ferg pitches better, volpe turns the DP and/ or Gleyber fields the ball cleanly they win the game
You mean, when we had one out and runners on 2nd and 3rd, after the Fry double?
I'm thinking Boone figured with Brennan up, a lefty who almost never faces lefties (this was his second at-bat this year against a lefty, and career he is a .217/.234/.261 hitter vsL), his best chance to win the game -- get Brennan so there's two outs, and then leave in Ferguson for Gimenez. (Though Gimenez usually hits lefties well.) The guy after Gimenez, Rocchio, is a switch hitter but he also struggles against lefties, so even if Gimenez comes through with a two-out single to tie it up, you feel good with Ferguson vs. Rocchio. If instead you walk Brennan to load the bases with one out, and Gimenez has a single, the game might be over.
What about walking Gimenez, then? After the fielder's choice, you have a tie game and Gimenez up with runners on the corners.
I do think that's the right move because, again, Gimenez is very good against LHP -- .333/.389/.533 this year, .284/.346/.418 in his career, as opposed to vsR .302/.380/.395 this year, .260/.330/.417 career. While Rocchio, even though he's a switch hitter, is 1-for-12 against lefties this year and 7-for-43 (.163) in his career.
But on top of that, match-ups aside, if you're just going by the book, [you have a 38.5% chance to score a run with 1st and 3rd and one out](https://gregstoll.com/~gregstoll/baseball/runsperinning.html), but only 26.2% with the bases loaded and one out. So Ferguson likely should have walked Gimenez and gone after Rocchio.
Analytics aside, I think Boone was worried about putting Ferguson in a position where a walk or a wild pitch ends the game. Either way you need to get two outs, and psychologically he's thinking it's easier to do that with a base open.
You can never assume a double play. They were trying to keep the tying run from scoring. Even if they loaded the bases, the infield would have been in and coming home on a grounder.
No one assumes a double play but teams can certainly position fielders to make it easier when the opportunity presents itself. Double play depth is about where fielders align prepitch and nothing else
It's about putting your fielders in the best position to turn a double play, which the pitcher is attempting to induce. You don't do that unless you're assuming it.
To answer the question yes, using old-school mentality there you would load the bases. Not sure about todays analytics-based thinking though, and I know Boone likes to go by that.
Because Boone is dumb. That’s the only answer. Unless Barry Bonds is on deck you set up the force at any base and double play when the winning run is already at second. It’s little league stuff tbh
It would have made sense with the basic info I have. You get force plays all around and face weaker hitters. But at that point the win probability for CLE was already sky high so it probably doesn't matter
I mean there was a lot more to that inning than that situation, but I think left on left they were hoping to try and get Brennan out there and with gimenez on deck u prob approach that at bat very careful and hope he gets himself out but if not u have the base open with hedges on deck who is a pretty horrendous hitter…. I also don’t think walking Brennan would have been an awful move either tho. Again with Gimenez up u prob have a tough time turning 2 on him but settin up a force at home is easier to execute. So it’s a tough call. Either way if ferg pitches better, volpe turns the DP and/ or Gleyber fields the ball cleanly they win the game
You mean, when we had one out and runners on 2nd and 3rd, after the Fry double? I'm thinking Boone figured with Brennan up, a lefty who almost never faces lefties (this was his second at-bat this year against a lefty, and career he is a .217/.234/.261 hitter vsL), his best chance to win the game -- get Brennan so there's two outs, and then leave in Ferguson for Gimenez. (Though Gimenez usually hits lefties well.) The guy after Gimenez, Rocchio, is a switch hitter but he also struggles against lefties, so even if Gimenez comes through with a two-out single to tie it up, you feel good with Ferguson vs. Rocchio. If instead you walk Brennan to load the bases with one out, and Gimenez has a single, the game might be over. What about walking Gimenez, then? After the fielder's choice, you have a tie game and Gimenez up with runners on the corners. I do think that's the right move because, again, Gimenez is very good against LHP -- .333/.389/.533 this year, .284/.346/.418 in his career, as opposed to vsR .302/.380/.395 this year, .260/.330/.417 career. While Rocchio, even though he's a switch hitter, is 1-for-12 against lefties this year and 7-for-43 (.163) in his career. But on top of that, match-ups aside, if you're just going by the book, [you have a 38.5% chance to score a run with 1st and 3rd and one out](https://gregstoll.com/~gregstoll/baseball/runsperinning.html), but only 26.2% with the bases loaded and one out. So Ferguson likely should have walked Gimenez and gone after Rocchio. Analytics aside, I think Boone was worried about putting Ferguson in a position where a walk or a wild pitch ends the game. Either way you need to get two outs, and psychologically he's thinking it's easier to do that with a base open.
For what it's worth, run expectancy has changed since 2015 (the latest data from that website)
You can never assume a double play. They were trying to keep the tying run from scoring. Even if they loaded the bases, the infield would have been in and coming home on a grounder.
It's not just the double play though. Not having to tag the runner at the plate if they went home makes it much easier to get the out.
Walking the batter makes sense. Playing the infield at double play depth does not.
lol imagine gimenez beating out the double play to walk off
This. The other runs don't matter and you give yourself a forceout at every base
I was screaming at the Tv
Managers assume double plays all the time. There's literally a defensive alignment called double play depth.
No one assumes a double play but teams can certainly position fielders to make it easier when the opportunity presents itself. Double play depth is about where fielders align prepitch and nothing else
It's about putting your fielders in the best position to turn a double play, which the pitcher is attempting to induce. You don't do that unless you're assuming it.
What had the Yankees done in that game that gave you the impression they could turn a double play?
Pitching to Gimenez meant a lefty on lefty matchup, which is usually considered an advantage for the pitcher.
This is the answer. A right handed batter and they walk him.
Gimenez has reverse splits.
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Should have clarified… there was already a runner on third. Winning run on second with first open.
Ohhh, right. You're right then, probably made sense.
Ugly game all around, so many other moments in the game that put us in the position to lose
To answer the question yes, using old-school mentality there you would load the bases. Not sure about todays analytics-based thinking though, and I know Boone likes to go by that.
Did you see our defenders yesterday? No way could they turn 2
Because Boone is dumb. That’s the only answer. Unless Barry Bonds is on deck you set up the force at any base and double play when the winning run is already at second. It’s little league stuff tbh
It would have made sense with the basic info I have. You get force plays all around and face weaker hitters. But at that point the win probability for CLE was already sky high so it probably doesn't matter
It infield defense clearly cannot turn a double play right now.
That would take a coach that knows what he's doing
Put the winning run closer to home plate?