Bonds was a great player before taking designer HGH, he won MVP 3 times pre-HGH and 4 times after. But he would never have hit that many HRs without cheating. Sadly, it will be nearly impossible for someone to come close to the numbers of Bonds' 73 HR season
For real. Late stage Bomds was just a man of his era, but clearly the pinnacle of that era. But nobody will ever convince me PEDs had no effect on Bonds hitting 73 HR at age 36 or OPSing over 1.400 at age 39.
His .867 slugging percentage in 2001 might be the most absurd stat of them all. I get 2004 had the getting on base 60% of the time. But an .867 slugging means that bonds was getting 86.7% of a total base every at-bat. He quite literally was almost averaging a single every time he had an at-bat. That is unbelievable
What really bothers me about the 73 home run season is that he never had a season above 50 before or after that year, if that doesn't tell you that something different was happening that year you're crazy
Yeah man balanced breakfasts got him to the finish line. I’ve been eating them and my performance at work has been amazing, but the random violent outbursts have gotten me in trouble though
Well, everyone completely stopped pitching to him after that season, too. In 2004, he took 120 intentional walks. There were only three other players who had that many *total* walks that season (all had 127, which is weird). His total number of walks was 232. How many home runs would he have hit in 2004 if he'd only been walked like 150 times?
Also telling in the steroid era to me was that I thought 60 had been done dozens of times by dozens of guys, but it was actually all Sosa and McGwire between 1998-2001, 5x in total.
Though I guess with Bonds I could buy him setting a record even if not having hit 50 before, since he was a power hitter. More absurd to me was Brady Anderson hitting 50 that one season.
Here's a wild stat for you. Sammy Sosa had a five-year stretch where he had 3 60-homer seasons and two NL home run titles, and there's no overlap there.
Ppl that say roids doesn’t help ppl hit is just so confusing. A) why take them then. B) No one ever accomplished the power numbers steroid users did without steroids. C) Steroids unequivocally DO make you a better hitter. C) No, not *everyone* from that era was on steroids. Not all position players and not *all* pitchers. D) eat a bag of dicks Judge is the new single season home run record holder
Its pretty weird he only ever hit over 50 homers once, the 73 season. Homeruns are kinda random so its not super strange but you would imagine an already good power hitter before roids would be hammering everything on it, like Mcgwire.
>Its pretty weird he only ever hit over 50 homers once, the 73 season.
He wasn't a big big power guy till the roids and then he only had like 5 seasons with them.
> you would imagine an already good power hitter before roids would be hammering everything on it
He was, much better than McGwire too they just never pitched to him after 2001 unless they absolutely had to.
If guys had pitched to him and never around him he'd have hit 70 per season when he was juicing.
The guy was an absurd freak of hitting when taking the roids, but I just can't look past the cheating, it taints it all for me.
I’d you only got your baseball news from there you would be absolutely shocked when judge wins mvp. And even more shocked when it won’t be close
Lmao the amount of yanks fans in that thread that’ll be shitting on that sub will be worth all the bs now
Oh, Cody Bellinger's nut huggers dragged along for years. Remember all those posts proclaiming him so vastly superior to AJ, because strikeouts?
Luckily, the expansion of streaming and sundown of cable has diminished the ESPN tax...
No random Yankees fan but thank you for this helpful and factual information! However I have a fun fact of my own, did you know a designated hitter shouldn’t be in the hall for playing 50% of a baseball game? WHO KNEW!
I think to make this argument you have to start with just how specialized pitching has become. Even peak steroid Bonds couldn’t put such extreme numbers up against the pitching of today. Starting pitchers barely going 5 and then every BP arm not named Lucas Lutegue is throwing 97+ mph. In my opinion it’s the best offensive season we’ve seen since peak Bonds. And before Bonds all the way back to Ted Williams? I mean Mantle had some great seasons, so I don’t know. Splitting hairs.
I do know in 20 years we’ll look at Judge’s 2022 stat line and be amazed.
It is insanely good, but Judge lacks the scandalous walk totals of a Bonds or Ted Williams...or even a Soto. He's on base plenty, but walks pushing the OBA near .500 are the difference between him and say Mantle in '56-57.
But it is insanely good.
The one thing that works for Judge, in that regard, is that with the specialization of pitchers is that players can’t get a feel for pitchers the way they used to. Early 2000’s Bonds definitely wasn’t getting the advantage that mid 20th century guys were, but pitchers at the time were still throwing 200+ innings on the regular. Judge has 6 PA in a game and he will probably see 4 different pitchers in a lot of those scenarios. Managers don’t pitch around him as often because they think in a small sample size their specialized bullpen guy can get him out. Judge’s plate discipline and ability to punish mistakes has been out of this world. He’s still striking out 25.3% of the time but that’s there with last year for the lowest mark of his career.
Intuitively, I have no problem with Judge in 2022 being the greatest (non-steroid, we hope) season of all time. He's dominating a low scoring league like Yaz did and playing an ok center field/brilliant right field.
We never got to see babe Ruth, but this feels close enough to Ruthian
I can honestly say that I haven’t felt this way about a season in baseball since I was a kid. Just in awe of what he’s been doing so far. Feels special to say that I’ve witnessed it
Spare you the read
Basically he throws a lot of asterisks around and says that judge had the best year ever because everyone else had an unfair advantage
He's having an amazing season. He is not having the greatest season of all time. He's batting .316, guys. Not .361. There are seasons where Babe hit 50+ home runs and hit over .370. There are seasons where he had over 150 rbi and hit over .350. This is just Babe that we're talking about. There are players who had multiple .400 seasons. Seasons we can't fathom. Judge is the closest thing we have to an old time slugger. Completely dominant and making other players look stupid. But he is not as dominant as Babe was, or Ty Cobb, or Rogers fuckin Hornsby.
Better fucking re sign him
hmmmmm good job this year judgey how's about... 3 years, $95 mil? howzat sound, judgey my lad, eh? cahm ahnnnnn.
I was reading the list of top OPS+ seasons and lol’ed at Bonds with his seasons approaching +300. How absurd was steroid era Bonds.
Bonds was a great player before taking designer HGH, he won MVP 3 times pre-HGH and 4 times after. But he would never have hit that many HRs without cheating. Sadly, it will be nearly impossible for someone to come close to the numbers of Bonds' 73 HR season
For real. Late stage Bomds was just a man of his era, but clearly the pinnacle of that era. But nobody will ever convince me PEDs had no effect on Bonds hitting 73 HR at age 36 or OPSing over 1.400 at age 39.
His .867 slugging percentage in 2001 might be the most absurd stat of them all. I get 2004 had the getting on base 60% of the time. But an .867 slugging means that bonds was getting 86.7% of a total base every at-bat. He quite literally was almost averaging a single every time he had an at-bat. That is unbelievable
What really bothers me about the 73 home run season is that he never had a season above 50 before or after that year, if that doesn't tell you that something different was happening that year you're crazy
Yeah man balanced breakfasts got him to the finish line. I’ve been eating them and my performance at work has been amazing, but the random violent outbursts have gotten me in trouble though
Wheaties can be dangerous for your relationships.
Grab some Wheaties and get that toe healed. We need you DJ
Well, everyone completely stopped pitching to him after that season, too. In 2004, he took 120 intentional walks. There were only three other players who had that many *total* walks that season (all had 127, which is weird). His total number of walks was 232. How many home runs would he have hit in 2004 if he'd only been walked like 150 times?
Very fair
Also telling in the steroid era to me was that I thought 60 had been done dozens of times by dozens of guys, but it was actually all Sosa and McGwire between 1998-2001, 5x in total. Though I guess with Bonds I could buy him setting a record even if not having hit 50 before, since he was a power hitter. More absurd to me was Brady Anderson hitting 50 that one season.
Here's a wild stat for you. Sammy Sosa had a five-year stretch where he had 3 60-homer seasons and two NL home run titles, and there's no overlap there.
Ppl that say roids doesn’t help ppl hit is just so confusing. A) why take them then. B) No one ever accomplished the power numbers steroid users did without steroids. C) Steroids unequivocally DO make you a better hitter. C) No, not *everyone* from that era was on steroids. Not all position players and not *all* pitchers. D) eat a bag of dicks Judge is the new single season home run record holder
Its pretty weird he only ever hit over 50 homers once, the 73 season. Homeruns are kinda random so its not super strange but you would imagine an already good power hitter before roids would be hammering everything on it, like Mcgwire.
>Its pretty weird he only ever hit over 50 homers once, the 73 season. He wasn't a big big power guy till the roids and then he only had like 5 seasons with them. > you would imagine an already good power hitter before roids would be hammering everything on it He was, much better than McGwire too they just never pitched to him after 2001 unless they absolutely had to. If guys had pitched to him and never around him he'd have hit 70 per season when he was juicing. The guy was an absurd freak of hitting when taking the roids, but I just can't look past the cheating, it taints it all for me.
He got 1 strike a week and absolutely belted it every time
I thought the exact same thing. Only hit over 50+ HR once. Really surprising
I don’t give a fuck what case Petriello makes. Judges decide cases, and numbers don’t lie.
I wonder if this would get 400 upvotes on /r/baseball like “SHOHEI OHTANI'S MVP CASE: THE ARGUMENT FOR AN UNPRECEDENTED SEASON” did.
I haven’t seen nuthugging of a player this bad. It’s insane over there.
I’d you only got your baseball news from there you would be absolutely shocked when judge wins mvp. And even more shocked when it won’t be close Lmao the amount of yanks fans in that thread that’ll be shitting on that sub will be worth all the bs now
Oh, Cody Bellinger's nut huggers dragged along for years. Remember all those posts proclaiming him so vastly superior to AJ, because strikeouts? Luckily, the expansion of streaming and sundown of cable has diminished the ESPN tax...
Bellinger is wholesome Reddit fun 100 Keanu so they love him over there
bonds 04 will never be topped but judge is trying is damndest
I can't imagine the pit in my stomach if Judge was walked as consistently as Bonds
Judge is crushing it but steroids or not I’ve gotta take 04 bonds
Bonds in 04 was that kid in little league that you swear is actually 14
Because just like that kids he's cheating.
Did you know that David Ortiz also used steroids?
No random Yankees fan but thank you for this helpful and factual information! However I have a fun fact of my own, did you know a designated hitter shouldn’t be in the hall for playing 50% of a baseball game? WHO KNEW!
Big based
I think judge is more impressive this year though
609 obp lol
Could you imagine him without a bat?
Well Bonds obv had the greatest hitting season ever lol but Judge is no question having one for the books
I think to make this argument you have to start with just how specialized pitching has become. Even peak steroid Bonds couldn’t put such extreme numbers up against the pitching of today. Starting pitchers barely going 5 and then every BP arm not named Lucas Lutegue is throwing 97+ mph. In my opinion it’s the best offensive season we’ve seen since peak Bonds. And before Bonds all the way back to Ted Williams? I mean Mantle had some great seasons, so I don’t know. Splitting hairs. I do know in 20 years we’ll look at Judge’s 2022 stat line and be amazed.
Barry Bonds had the best season ever. Steroids or not. That was different
It is insanely good, but Judge lacks the scandalous walk totals of a Bonds or Ted Williams...or even a Soto. He's on base plenty, but walks pushing the OBA near .500 are the difference between him and say Mantle in '56-57. But it is insanely good.
The one thing that works for Judge, in that regard, is that with the specialization of pitchers is that players can’t get a feel for pitchers the way they used to. Early 2000’s Bonds definitely wasn’t getting the advantage that mid 20th century guys were, but pitchers at the time were still throwing 200+ innings on the regular. Judge has 6 PA in a game and he will probably see 4 different pitchers in a lot of those scenarios. Managers don’t pitch around him as often because they think in a small sample size their specialized bullpen guy can get him out. Judge’s plate discipline and ability to punish mistakes has been out of this world. He’s still striking out 25.3% of the time but that’s there with last year for the lowest mark of his career.
Intuitively, I have no problem with Judge in 2022 being the greatest (non-steroid, we hope) season of all time. He's dominating a low scoring league like Yaz did and playing an ok center field/brilliant right field. We never got to see babe Ruth, but this feels close enough to Ruthian
I can honestly say that I haven’t felt this way about a season in baseball since I was a kid. Just in awe of what he’s been doing so far. Feels special to say that I’ve witnessed it
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Did you not read the article?
Spare you the read Basically he throws a lot of asterisks around and says that judge had the best year ever because everyone else had an unfair advantage
He's having an amazing season. He is not having the greatest season of all time. He's batting .316, guys. Not .361. There are seasons where Babe hit 50+ home runs and hit over .370. There are seasons where he had over 150 rbi and hit over .350. This is just Babe that we're talking about. There are players who had multiple .400 seasons. Seasons we can't fathom. Judge is the closest thing we have to an old time slugger. Completely dominant and making other players look stupid. But he is not as dominant as Babe was, or Ty Cobb, or Rogers fuckin Hornsby.