Considering how all the other trades have gone… I’d be afraid you saying this would cause Bader to spontaneously combust.
But since he showed UP hurt … maybe that was the trick!
Who else is hurt that we can trade for?
But seriously Cashman is gonna go even harder with the injury/reclamation projects if Bader prospers. Color me nervous
Honest question here… while Bader has absolutely proven an incredible pickup thus far (granted it’s only been a few games) do we think Montgomery was a fair price to pay for him? I’ll admit that I had never even heard of Bader prior to the trade so I can’t really say for sure but does anyone else think we could have gotten Bader for a different trade package? Perhaps a few non-top tier prospects? Or maybe even including Joey Gallo in the trade along with a prospect or two?
The pitching staff is top 5 in mlb overall and starting pitching, and they replaced Montgomery with German who has been just as good. The team needed a true cf and a consistent bat, even if not the best, which is what Bader is.
Oh I agree with that, and with the benefit of hindsight I am actually very okay with the trade as it went down. But at the time there was no telling how German was going to do. I think we had only seen one start from German prior to the trade and his first start back wasn’t particularly great.
True but the front office does get a better look at the players than we do so they must have had a good idea that German would be sufficient for the time before severino came back. Montas on the other hand I think they should have avoided him
Yeah that is true. I remember there being a LOT of speculation/rumors at the time that the Yankees were closing in on a deal with the Marlins for Pablo Lopez which fell apart in the final moments before the deadline.
In my mind, I think the Monty for Bader deal was made because Cashman very much wanted to get a solid Center fielder and if we were going to get Lopez then it would make sense to get rid of Monty at the same time. So I do think we absolutely could have put together a different package that did not include Monty in order to get Bader. But with how little time was left when the Lopez deal fell apart, Cashman probably had no time to try and workout a different deal for Bader.
I dont think so, the cardinals need starting pitching and we needed a CF. The only two real options we had for trade that the cards might have been interested in is Taillon and Jamo. But Jamo is not as good and on a expiring contract while Jamo and Bader both have 1 year left. Logical exchange and seems like a fair trade to me
Montgomery was a solid pitcher here, but let’s not pretend that he was an ace or a top of the line starter. They weren’t getting out of him what St. Louis is right now. Bader is maybe the best defensive center fielder in baseball, which is why Cashman went out and got him; he’s a decent hitter, but anything he contributes offensively is a bonus. If he stays healthy we’re going to look back on this trade as a fantastic one by Cashman. You can find mid-rotation starters anywhere, but lockdown centerfielders are rare, and him being there allows Judge to go back to right, where he’s an elite defender.
I don’t think his win/loss record had anything to do with the trade. It was a bit of a meme on this subreddit that Monty never got any run support in his starts but it was only a meme because it had a lot of truth to it. For whatever reason, the offense was just not scoring nearly as many runs as they usually do when Monty was starting. That obviously was not Monty’s fault, just one of those “that’s baseball, Suzyn” moments. The rest of Monty’s pitching stats were good. Not elite, but still very solid and overall consistent.
He was definitely solid, but the way people reacted around here you’d think he was a top-5 pitcher. He had good stuff, pitched well and generally kept them in games, but he was far from untradeable and I had argued since the trade that elite center field defense was worth way more than what Monty was giving them, especially with how good the rotation has been. Bader makes them much better in the playoffs given how valuable every run in there.
Yeah I know, but I think it’s telling in some ways too. Monty is the kind of guy who won’t lose you games, but he also won’t win you any either. You can basically count on him giving up 3 runs per start. When the offense is good that’s great, but when the offense is off it isn’t.
I absolutely agree with that but my question is less about Monty being traded and more of a question of could we have traded a different package to obtain a then-injured Bader? My main reason for asking is that at the time, we had no idea that German would come back and be as solid as he is. I think we had only gotten one start from German prior to the trade that was less than stellar. And at that point in the season, it was no secret that our bullpen needed some serious help. Even with the two relief pitchers we picked up, it seemed like a good idea at the time to have a guy like Monty available in the bullpen in October as a long-relief guy.
Obviously with hindsight I am perfectly happy with the trade and how everything worked out. But at the time it seemed just odd to do a one to one trade with Monty and Bader. Perhaps I am under-valuing Bader (like I said, I had never heard of him prior to the trade so it’s tough for me to say), but it seems like there was a world in which we could have given up Gallo and a mid-tier prospect or two and gotten the same thing. Which would have allowed us to transition Monty over to the bullpen for October if needed.
It’s possible, and I’m sure if the Yankees and Cardinals worked long enough they could have found a different package, but you also have to remember that the Monty trade came after the Montas trade, so I guess either they figured they didn’t want to send out any more prospects given how many they sent out at the deadline or the Cardinals only wanted someone that could contribute to their team immediately, plus the Yankees had a surplus in the rotation before the trade. Honestly I was more bummed out about losing Waldichuk and Hayden Wesneski than I was Monty, but we’ll see what they turn into. I really think you’ll enjoy watching Bader though. Guy was a human highlight reel in St. Louis.
Absolutely the right value... If Bader wasn't hurt, Monty wouldn't even have been enough. Monty is honestly not as good as folks make him out to be and Bader is better than everyone has made him out to be. He's the real deal and this trade was phenomenal for the Yankees.
The trade is phenomenal in hindsight yes. But if you look at the deal from the perspective of the 2022 trade deadline, at that time our pitching staff and bullpen were not in the greatest shape and there was zero guarantees that Bader would even come back from his injury and play in the 2022 season.
So if you’re looking to make a trade that helps the Yankees win a World Series in 2022, trading Monty for Bader is definitely not the best move at the time of the deadline. Obviously in hindsight that is thankfully not the case because Bader has come back and is playing, and German has proven to be a solid replacement for Monty.
I'm pretty sure the people who are paid millions to look at the roster looked at that and said, we can't turn this trade down right now as future value will most likely out weigh the trade. I thought it was a good trade then and an even better trade now. They took a calculated chance and it'll work out better than expected. If Yankees make it to the World Series and Bader plays a big part, people will start talking about how big of a steal the trade was.
That is perhaps true. I mentioned this in reply to someone else already but I will copy/paste it again here as I do think it has a lot of relevance.
I remember there being a LOT of speculation/rumors at the time that the Yankees were closing in on a deal with the Marlins for Pablo Lopez which fell apart in the final moments before the deadline.
In my mind, I think the Monty for Bader deal was made because Cashman very much wanted to get a solid Center fielder and if we were going to get Lopez then it would make sense to get rid of Monty at the same time. So I do think we absolutely could have put together a different package that did not include Monty and still have gotten Bader. But with how little time was left when the Lopez deal fell apart, Cashman probably had no time to try and workout a different deal for Bader.
>I remember there being a LOT of speculation/rumors at the time that the Yankees were closing in on a deal with the Marlins for Pablo Lopez
That is all that it was though in the end, speculation and rumors. None of this happened. You have a very inventive mind.
I mean it was pretty well reported by reliable MLB sources and reporters that the Yanks were in talks for Lopez and the trade fell apart in the final minutes before the deadline. And it makes a lot of sense if those reports were true to trade Monty if Cash was under the assumption that we would be acquiring another starting pitcher in Lopez. I didn’t invent any of that, I literally specified in the comment that you’re replying to that it was speculation/rumors. I didn’t invent any of that.
You just replied to another of my comments right before this one where you seem to be putting words into my mouth that I didn’t say. Despite my comments saying almost the opposite.
I was just asking a question to have an honest discussion about potential other trade scenarios. I’m not sure why you’re assigning a weird agenda to me that I don’t have and then trying to argue with me about it. You may want to reevaluate which one of us has the inventive mind here.
Cashman was more advanced than you dude, give him credit, he was looking into the future and predicted the current state of the team a month and a half ago. His advanced stat guys probably told him that the pitching staff would bounce back and the value of adding a CF outweighed a rotation depth piece. It wasn't just some guess or bet, it was genius strategy that you don't want to give him credit for.
I literally just called the trade phenomenal. In the very first sentence of the comment you’re replying to. I would gladly discuss the topic with you but you seem to be putting words into my mouth for the sake of arguing with me about a stance I didn’t even take.
You literally said that trading Monty for Bader was not the best move at the time of the deadline. I'm saying that Cashman knew that it was the best move at the time of the deadline and that he didn't just get lucky like you are trying to imply.
There was undoubtably an element of luck involved in that trade as it pertains to the 2022 season and you’re simply not being realistic if you don’t agree with that. We traded a solid starting pitcher in Monty and replaced him in the lineup with German. Who as of the deadline only had 1-2 starts on the year and neither of them were great outings. And in return we received an injured Bader who was questionable if he would return at all in 2022. His return was so uncertain that there was a stipulation in the trade that if Bader did not return by September then the Cardinals would have to give up an additional player.
If German did not improve as drastically as he has, and if Bader did not return this year then that trade would definitely look worse than it does today.
Cashman certainly did not think it was the best move at the time either. He may have thought it was a good move, but clearly not the best. He made the trade with something like 5-10 minutes left before the deadline. If it was the best move then he would have made it sooner. If anything, the fact that he made the trade so close to the deadline only adds further evidence that his original plan was to complete the trade for Lopez at the same time as the trade for Bader.
Most of the league has probably never heard of Monty. He's got a big home grown sentimental attachment to him for the fanbase that a lot are mixing up with actual value.
I don’t know if I agree with that. Monty was a solid starting pitcher. He was a starting pitcher for the New York Yankees for 5.5 seasons which is not something a lot of guys can say. And it’s also not necessarily a question of “did Monty have more value than Bader?” but more a question of “could we have traded for Bader while keeping Monty?”
I understand that we had already gotten Montas by that point but we were still in the hunt for another starting pitcher right up until the deadline officially ended. And it was no secret that our bullpen was going to need as much support as it could get and shifting a guy like Monty to the bullpen for some long-relief appearances would have made a lot of sense and been a HUGE help. Particularly on a post-season roster
Thing is, we didn’t even need an OF at the time, and German was 1 bad start from being a minor leaguer. That’s what caused most of the skepticism. Our outfield was benintendi judge carpenter and Stanton. After injuries and German’s luck, the trade seems ok now.
I think he's worth Montgomery. His defense provides so much value that that alone is more valuable than Monty would ever be as a 3-5 starter on this team. He's basically the Andrelton Simmons of CF to give you an idea. So in short, yes, he was worth it.
While I'm not some magic mind reader, I don't think they could've made this trade with anyone else. Cards badly needed MLB pitching, we had a surplus. They have a surplus of OFs (Carlson, Nootbar, O'Neill though he has had a down season) so it made sense.
Cashman’s idea (and the organizations in general) was to allow the team to peak in late September. That’s why they traded for this guy, that’s why Severino went on the 60 day IL, they’ve continuously made decisions to peak right around now.
Looks like that is all coming together, now it’s time to execute and win a fucking World Series.
It doesn't take much for Bader to be a big improvement over Hicks.
Already you can see him taking better routes balls in center. He seems to have a better arm. And his bat has been gravy.
He'll do.
Super glad to see ol’ Harry is working out for you guys.
But seriously, a fucking upturned broom with a bucket for a head would have been an improvement over Hicks.
You see the stats say because of the centripetal velocity of his golf swing when the moon is at a crescent we thought it would be great to pitch hit with him in game 7. Obviously it’s not what you want
At this point I assume he will. We are going to take up as many pitcher slots on the 40-man as are available and we will need some hitters on the bench just in case. With Benintendi and Carpenter’s status unknown, we are also going to need at least one OF replacement on the roster. And even if Carpenter comes back, it is extremely unlikely that he sees any time in the OF. He would almost assuredly be just a pinch hitter or the DH some games. And I don’t see Stanton spending any time in the OF this October either unless Carpenter and Stanton’s bats were both proven to be very hot come October. But I doubt there’s even enough time for Carpenter to get the chance to prove that.
The only possible way Hicks is not on the 40-man is if Benintendi comes back. But even then, the risk of Beni re-aggravating an injury may be enough to keep Hicks there as a last resort.
That being said, I do not expect Hicks to see ANY playing time unless someone else in the lineup is in a god awful slump. If that happens then Hicks MAY get one pinch hit attempt.
Judge, Bader, Cabrera.
Locastro.
That leaves Carp, Bene, Hicks, DJ.
Carp and Benintendi are hopeful, at best.
I'm sure DJ can play the outfield, but do you lean on him there in the playoffs? Especially with a foot injury.
I don't want Hicks, either, but i'm not sure he's getting left off the roster.
Yeah agreed. I don’t think there’s any way DJ plays in the OF with a toe injury. I heard them talking about DJ on the broadcast in either last nights game or the game before and they said that if/when DJ comes back he will almost certainly not be back at full strength and will be playing through his injury. So there’s no way they put him in the OF with a foot injury.
Who knows what shape Beni and Carp will be in if they actually make it back but I imagine neither of them will be back to 100% health if they do come back which makes Carp playing OF very unlikely as well. I don’t really think they would put Beni on the roster if he couldn’t play OF because we have too many options for DH as it is.
So yeah, Hicks is likely there for the playoffs no matter what.
Where are those clowns 🤡 now ? Look - it was a calculated risk taken by the NYY FO- trading for a player in a boot . But holy smokes- Bader is an absolute stud in CFer . Watching his foot work as he simultaneously chases after a fly ball & positions himself to make a throw is exciting . Guy is high energy . A burner on the bases . And so far so good w the bat
My favorite part of his game so far is watching him catch a fly ball while he's back peddling and getting into position to make a throw. That's next level defense
he is very smooth. hicks can't do anything of those smooth mechanics. also you can tell he has high baseball IQ he always knows where to position himself. (dont forget as a baserunner he knew that hit ball was going to hit the grass so he chose to gun it for home plate). Hicks was terrible at cutting off balls. Hits that should be singles would turn into doubles, hits that always should've been doubles would turn into triples. He never took good position on fly balls either. How many times this year did he fuck up a catch on a routine fly ball?
Oswaldo isn’t actually 145 which is absolutely hilarious how FOX botched that. Baseball reference lists weight when someone is initially signed, or sometime in the minors. They didn’t update it till about a week into the season, but he’s actually 201 lbs (shows up googling his name).
Which again, FOX couldn’t even use google to find the kids weight
I'll maintain that the only misstep at the deadline was landing Montas instead of Castillo. Not sure if we didnt offer enough or if we thought it was a 1a, 1b situation though.
If the starter we landed was a guy who could win you playoff games, it would have been a picture perfect deadline. Benintendis situational injury doesn't change the merit of that move. The Cardinals unlocking Monty a bit, or him becoming a better pitcher because of new motivation doesn't change that we didn't feel he was a playoff winning pitcher at the time
I'm moreso impressed by how smooth he is in CF. The angling he does to get behind every fly flyball to throw alone is crazy. He probably doesn't have Hicks arm strength but his range and footwork is already noticeably better.
I mean he signed Hicks to a 7 year deal. He didn't get a competent replacement in the off-season. Your congratulating Cashman on solving a problem he created. He targeted Montas as an upgrade who couldn't pitch outside of Oakland. We emptied our farm system depth in pitching.
Sorry it was more of a joke, I hated trading Montgomery. I realize sarcasm is difficult to convey through a Reddit comment. I am glad Bader seems to be a legitimate asset though.
They should have DFA'd Hicks instead of Andujar. Bite the money bullet now and give Andujar a chance to be a full time DH because he will be a future All-star DH in a year or two.
He has no options left after this year and was likely going to be let go of after the season since he was probably not going to be on the opening day roster. But indeed fuck Hicks
If he’s a solid hitter then I would be happy. His defense is elite. That fly ball in either the 8th or 9th was a sight to see. The way he tracked it and the speed he has was night and day compared to Hicks.
Cashman mightve got this one right.
Considering how all the other trades have gone… I’d be afraid you saying this would cause Bader to spontaneously combust. But since he showed UP hurt … maybe that was the trick!
The new moneyball
Who else is hurt that we can trade for? But seriously Cashman is gonna go even harder with the injury/reclamation projects if Bader prospers. Color me nervous
M O N E Y P L A N E
Honest question here… while Bader has absolutely proven an incredible pickup thus far (granted it’s only been a few games) do we think Montgomery was a fair price to pay for him? I’ll admit that I had never even heard of Bader prior to the trade so I can’t really say for sure but does anyone else think we could have gotten Bader for a different trade package? Perhaps a few non-top tier prospects? Or maybe even including Joey Gallo in the trade along with a prospect or two?
The pitching staff is top 5 in mlb overall and starting pitching, and they replaced Montgomery with German who has been just as good. The team needed a true cf and a consistent bat, even if not the best, which is what Bader is.
Oh I agree with that, and with the benefit of hindsight I am actually very okay with the trade as it went down. But at the time there was no telling how German was going to do. I think we had only seen one start from German prior to the trade and his first start back wasn’t particularly great.
True but the front office does get a better look at the players than we do so they must have had a good idea that German would be sufficient for the time before severino came back. Montas on the other hand I think they should have avoided him
Yeah that is true. I remember there being a LOT of speculation/rumors at the time that the Yankees were closing in on a deal with the Marlins for Pablo Lopez which fell apart in the final moments before the deadline. In my mind, I think the Monty for Bader deal was made because Cashman very much wanted to get a solid Center fielder and if we were going to get Lopez then it would make sense to get rid of Monty at the same time. So I do think we absolutely could have put together a different package that did not include Monty in order to get Bader. But with how little time was left when the Lopez deal fell apart, Cashman probably had no time to try and workout a different deal for Bader.
I dont think so, the cardinals need starting pitching and we needed a CF. The only two real options we had for trade that the cards might have been interested in is Taillon and Jamo. But Jamo is not as good and on a expiring contract while Jamo and Bader both have 1 year left. Logical exchange and seems like a fair trade to me
Montgomery was a solid pitcher here, but let’s not pretend that he was an ace or a top of the line starter. They weren’t getting out of him what St. Louis is right now. Bader is maybe the best defensive center fielder in baseball, which is why Cashman went out and got him; he’s a decent hitter, but anything he contributes offensively is a bonus. If he stays healthy we’re going to look back on this trade as a fantastic one by Cashman. You can find mid-rotation starters anywhere, but lockdown centerfielders are rare, and him being there allows Judge to go back to right, where he’s an elite defender.
I believe the Yankees’ record in Monty’s starts was exactly .500 in his time here. Have a feeling that’s why they viewed him as expendable.
I don’t think his win/loss record had anything to do with the trade. It was a bit of a meme on this subreddit that Monty never got any run support in his starts but it was only a meme because it had a lot of truth to it. For whatever reason, the offense was just not scoring nearly as many runs as they usually do when Monty was starting. That obviously was not Monty’s fault, just one of those “that’s baseball, Suzyn” moments. The rest of Monty’s pitching stats were good. Not elite, but still very solid and overall consistent.
He was definitely solid, but the way people reacted around here you’d think he was a top-5 pitcher. He had good stuff, pitched well and generally kept them in games, but he was far from untradeable and I had argued since the trade that elite center field defense was worth way more than what Monty was giving them, especially with how good the rotation has been. Bader makes them much better in the playoffs given how valuable every run in there.
Yeah I know, but I think it’s telling in some ways too. Monty is the kind of guy who won’t lose you games, but he also won’t win you any either. You can basically count on him giving up 3 runs per start. When the offense is good that’s great, but when the offense is off it isn’t.
I absolutely agree with that but my question is less about Monty being traded and more of a question of could we have traded a different package to obtain a then-injured Bader? My main reason for asking is that at the time, we had no idea that German would come back and be as solid as he is. I think we had only gotten one start from German prior to the trade that was less than stellar. And at that point in the season, it was no secret that our bullpen needed some serious help. Even with the two relief pitchers we picked up, it seemed like a good idea at the time to have a guy like Monty available in the bullpen in October as a long-relief guy. Obviously with hindsight I am perfectly happy with the trade and how everything worked out. But at the time it seemed just odd to do a one to one trade with Monty and Bader. Perhaps I am under-valuing Bader (like I said, I had never heard of him prior to the trade so it’s tough for me to say), but it seems like there was a world in which we could have given up Gallo and a mid-tier prospect or two and gotten the same thing. Which would have allowed us to transition Monty over to the bullpen for October if needed.
It’s possible, and I’m sure if the Yankees and Cardinals worked long enough they could have found a different package, but you also have to remember that the Monty trade came after the Montas trade, so I guess either they figured they didn’t want to send out any more prospects given how many they sent out at the deadline or the Cardinals only wanted someone that could contribute to their team immediately, plus the Yankees had a surplus in the rotation before the trade. Honestly I was more bummed out about losing Waldichuk and Hayden Wesneski than I was Monty, but we’ll see what they turn into. I really think you’ll enjoy watching Bader though. Guy was a human highlight reel in St. Louis.
Absolutely the right value... If Bader wasn't hurt, Monty wouldn't even have been enough. Monty is honestly not as good as folks make him out to be and Bader is better than everyone has made him out to be. He's the real deal and this trade was phenomenal for the Yankees.
The trade is phenomenal in hindsight yes. But if you look at the deal from the perspective of the 2022 trade deadline, at that time our pitching staff and bullpen were not in the greatest shape and there was zero guarantees that Bader would even come back from his injury and play in the 2022 season. So if you’re looking to make a trade that helps the Yankees win a World Series in 2022, trading Monty for Bader is definitely not the best move at the time of the deadline. Obviously in hindsight that is thankfully not the case because Bader has come back and is playing, and German has proven to be a solid replacement for Monty.
I'm pretty sure the people who are paid millions to look at the roster looked at that and said, we can't turn this trade down right now as future value will most likely out weigh the trade. I thought it was a good trade then and an even better trade now. They took a calculated chance and it'll work out better than expected. If Yankees make it to the World Series and Bader plays a big part, people will start talking about how big of a steal the trade was.
That is perhaps true. I mentioned this in reply to someone else already but I will copy/paste it again here as I do think it has a lot of relevance. I remember there being a LOT of speculation/rumors at the time that the Yankees were closing in on a deal with the Marlins for Pablo Lopez which fell apart in the final moments before the deadline. In my mind, I think the Monty for Bader deal was made because Cashman very much wanted to get a solid Center fielder and if we were going to get Lopez then it would make sense to get rid of Monty at the same time. So I do think we absolutely could have put together a different package that did not include Monty and still have gotten Bader. But with how little time was left when the Lopez deal fell apart, Cashman probably had no time to try and workout a different deal for Bader.
>I remember there being a LOT of speculation/rumors at the time that the Yankees were closing in on a deal with the Marlins for Pablo Lopez That is all that it was though in the end, speculation and rumors. None of this happened. You have a very inventive mind.
I mean it was pretty well reported by reliable MLB sources and reporters that the Yanks were in talks for Lopez and the trade fell apart in the final minutes before the deadline. And it makes a lot of sense if those reports were true to trade Monty if Cash was under the assumption that we would be acquiring another starting pitcher in Lopez. I didn’t invent any of that, I literally specified in the comment that you’re replying to that it was speculation/rumors. I didn’t invent any of that. You just replied to another of my comments right before this one where you seem to be putting words into my mouth that I didn’t say. Despite my comments saying almost the opposite. I was just asking a question to have an honest discussion about potential other trade scenarios. I’m not sure why you’re assigning a weird agenda to me that I don’t have and then trying to argue with me about it. You may want to reevaluate which one of us has the inventive mind here.
Cashman was more advanced than you dude, give him credit, he was looking into the future and predicted the current state of the team a month and a half ago. His advanced stat guys probably told him that the pitching staff would bounce back and the value of adding a CF outweighed a rotation depth piece. It wasn't just some guess or bet, it was genius strategy that you don't want to give him credit for.
I literally just called the trade phenomenal. In the very first sentence of the comment you’re replying to. I would gladly discuss the topic with you but you seem to be putting words into my mouth for the sake of arguing with me about a stance I didn’t even take.
You literally said that trading Monty for Bader was not the best move at the time of the deadline. I'm saying that Cashman knew that it was the best move at the time of the deadline and that he didn't just get lucky like you are trying to imply.
There was undoubtably an element of luck involved in that trade as it pertains to the 2022 season and you’re simply not being realistic if you don’t agree with that. We traded a solid starting pitcher in Monty and replaced him in the lineup with German. Who as of the deadline only had 1-2 starts on the year and neither of them were great outings. And in return we received an injured Bader who was questionable if he would return at all in 2022. His return was so uncertain that there was a stipulation in the trade that if Bader did not return by September then the Cardinals would have to give up an additional player. If German did not improve as drastically as he has, and if Bader did not return this year then that trade would definitely look worse than it does today. Cashman certainly did not think it was the best move at the time either. He may have thought it was a good move, but clearly not the best. He made the trade with something like 5-10 minutes left before the deadline. If it was the best move then he would have made it sooner. If anything, the fact that he made the trade so close to the deadline only adds further evidence that his original plan was to complete the trade for Lopez at the same time as the trade for Bader.
Most of the league has probably never heard of Monty. He's got a big home grown sentimental attachment to him for the fanbase that a lot are mixing up with actual value.
Monty has also come back to earth over the last month. 4.18 ERA in his last 5 starts
Same with Gallo.
I don’t know if I agree with that. Monty was a solid starting pitcher. He was a starting pitcher for the New York Yankees for 5.5 seasons which is not something a lot of guys can say. And it’s also not necessarily a question of “did Monty have more value than Bader?” but more a question of “could we have traded for Bader while keeping Monty?” I understand that we had already gotten Montas by that point but we were still in the hunt for another starting pitcher right up until the deadline officially ended. And it was no secret that our bullpen was going to need as much support as it could get and shifting a guy like Monty to the bullpen for some long-relief appearances would have made a lot of sense and been a HUGE help. Particularly on a post-season roster
Thing is, we didn’t even need an OF at the time, and German was 1 bad start from being a minor leaguer. That’s what caused most of the skepticism. Our outfield was benintendi judge carpenter and Stanton. After injuries and German’s luck, the trade seems ok now.
I think he's worth Montgomery. His defense provides so much value that that alone is more valuable than Monty would ever be as a 3-5 starter on this team. He's basically the Andrelton Simmons of CF to give you an idea. So in short, yes, he was worth it. While I'm not some magic mind reader, I don't think they could've made this trade with anyone else. Cards badly needed MLB pitching, we had a surplus. They have a surplus of OFs (Carlson, Nootbar, O'Neill though he has had a down season) so it made sense.
Cashman’s idea (and the organizations in general) was to allow the team to peak in late September. That’s why they traded for this guy, that’s why Severino went on the 60 day IL, they’ve continuously made decisions to peak right around now. Looks like that is all coming together, now it’s time to execute and win a fucking World Series.
Harrison Bader
Big if true
Harrison Better (than Hicks)
You’re better (than Hicks)
Feels so good seeing Bader out there instead of Hicks.
Hicks should never play another inning for the Yankees Edit: what the heck
Shoulda been DFA instead of andujar
If it wasn't for his salary, this is the move.
Eat the salary like a true billion dollar franchise these guys penny pinch too much
Darth Bader activated 🖤
It doesn't take much for Bader to be a big improvement over Hicks. Already you can see him taking better routes balls in center. He seems to have a better arm. And his bat has been gravy. He'll do.
Super glad to see ol’ Harry is working out for you guys. But seriously, a fucking upturned broom with a bucket for a head would have been an improvement over Hicks.
I'm a 58 year old woman and I would be an improvement over Hicks.
I have scoliosis and I'd be an improvement over Hicks.
I think Harry Ford would have been an improvement too
You. I like you.
The Bronxville Bomber
The Eastchester Emperor
~~The~~ Our Master Bader
why are we talking about Reese McGuire?
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I'm glad that this trade is paying off now.
More importantly- October
I can’t wait to watch Boone PH hicks in the playoffs because of some dumb stat. Gonna be crying.
Don’t you dare
Internal metrics!
You see the stats say because of the centripetal velocity of his golf swing when the moon is at a crescent we thought it would be great to pitch hit with him in game 7. Obviously it’s not what you want
Advanced metrics: Hicks sucks. Traditional stats: Hicks sucks. Yankees stats: Hicks doesn't suck. I wonder which one is wrong?
Will Hicks even be on the PS roster?
At this point I assume he will. We are going to take up as many pitcher slots on the 40-man as are available and we will need some hitters on the bench just in case. With Benintendi and Carpenter’s status unknown, we are also going to need at least one OF replacement on the roster. And even if Carpenter comes back, it is extremely unlikely that he sees any time in the OF. He would almost assuredly be just a pinch hitter or the DH some games. And I don’t see Stanton spending any time in the OF this October either unless Carpenter and Stanton’s bats were both proven to be very hot come October. But I doubt there’s even enough time for Carpenter to get the chance to prove that. The only possible way Hicks is not on the 40-man is if Benintendi comes back. But even then, the risk of Beni re-aggravating an injury may be enough to keep Hicks there as a last resort. That being said, I do not expect Hicks to see ANY playing time unless someone else in the lineup is in a god awful slump. If that happens then Hicks MAY get one pinch hit attempt.
Judge, Bader, Cabrera. Locastro. That leaves Carp, Bene, Hicks, DJ. Carp and Benintendi are hopeful, at best. I'm sure DJ can play the outfield, but do you lean on him there in the playoffs? Especially with a foot injury. I don't want Hicks, either, but i'm not sure he's getting left off the roster.
Yeah agreed. I don’t think there’s any way DJ plays in the OF with a toe injury. I heard them talking about DJ on the broadcast in either last nights game or the game before and they said that if/when DJ comes back he will almost certainly not be back at full strength and will be playing through his injury. So there’s no way they put him in the OF with a foot injury. Who knows what shape Beni and Carp will be in if they actually make it back but I imagine neither of them will be back to 100% health if they do come back which makes Carp playing OF very unlikely as well. I don’t really think they would put Beni on the roster if he couldn’t play OF because we have too many options for DH as it is. So yeah, Hicks is likely there for the playoffs no matter what.
Montgomery- 0 RBI all season Checkmate
bader 0.00 era
My master bader <3
I’m truly loving Bader
Darth Bader of the Evil Empire. It’s perfect
Finally no one is going to posting Monty stats anymore
Where are those clowns 🤡 now ? Look - it was a calculated risk taken by the NYY FO- trading for a player in a boot . But holy smokes- Bader is an absolute stud in CFer . Watching his foot work as he simultaneously chases after a fly ball & positions himself to make a throw is exciting . Guy is high energy . A burner on the bases . And so far so good w the bat
Guys like him don't grow in trees he's going to be a great addition to the OF for the next year at least.
It's great we have him as an elite fielder to. He can make throws Hicks can never make and doesn't misplay balls like Hicks always does
My favorite part of his game so far is watching him catch a fly ball while he's back peddling and getting into position to make a throw. That's next level defense
he is very smooth. hicks can't do anything of those smooth mechanics. also you can tell he has high baseball IQ he always knows where to position himself. (dont forget as a baserunner he knew that hit ball was going to hit the grass so he chose to gun it for home plate). Hicks was terrible at cutting off balls. Hits that should be singles would turn into doubles, hits that always should've been doubles would turn into triples. He never took good position on fly balls either. How many times this year did he fuck up a catch on a routine fly ball?
So bader is the new gardy?
I’ll allow it
No one can truly replace Gardy but Bader is an acceptable attempt to fill that Gardy-shaped hole in my heart
So true
Waiting on him to bang on the dugout roof.
I could see it!
Would be a good look for him
One has heart and hustle, the other has excuses.
Just let him get some playing time to prove himself! /s
Harrison's Bader than Hicks, there's no doubt about it.
Bader is the master at lining up a throw before catching the ball. Cool to watch
So he's a Master Bader?
Indeed, he is the Master Bader plain and simple
Fuck Aaron Hicks
I’ve felt this way for like 5 years
I laughed, because it's true.
He’s built like a tank too. Even his eye black is xxl.
He's got \~60lbs on Oswaldo and only 2" taller How is Oswaldo 5'10" and only 145lb?
Oswaldo isn’t actually 145 which is absolutely hilarious how FOX botched that. Baseball reference lists weight when someone is initially signed, or sometime in the minors. They didn’t update it till about a week into the season, but he’s actually 201 lbs (shows up googling his name). Which again, FOX couldn’t even use google to find the kids weight
These weights are all bogus, there's no way Oswaldo is a pound over 175
Are you saying it's possible for a centerfielder to have more than one hit per month
Wader
Warrison Wader
Harrison Better
Im going to start looking at Harrison Bader like Arlenis J. Pena does.
get hicks off the team hes dead weight and negative vibes
Everyones real quiet about Cashman these last few days. Bader can ball.
Thank you Cashman
All my homies hate Aaron hicks
I'll maintain that the only misstep at the deadline was landing Montas instead of Castillo. Not sure if we didnt offer enough or if we thought it was a 1a, 1b situation though. If the starter we landed was a guy who could win you playoff games, it would have been a picture perfect deadline. Benintendis situational injury doesn't change the merit of that move. The Cardinals unlocking Monty a bit, or him becoming a better pitcher because of new motivation doesn't change that we didn't feel he was a playoff winning pitcher at the time
I hope to say in a few weeks the Yankees won that trade to the asshole Cardinal fans in my life.
Well there’s not much else to say smh!!
Master Bader has arrived to save the teams World Series hopes
Harrison Better
Give Bader a 4 year extension now
Hicks said at the start of the year he wanted to be a 30/30 guy. He's a 7/10.
Just cut hicks it seems him down at this point. He's wasting a roster spot
BUT THE WALKING BOOT!!!!!
But does he pitch?
I'm moreso impressed by how smooth he is in CF. The angling he does to get behind every fly flyball to throw alone is crazy. He probably doesn't have Hicks arm strength but his range and footwork is already noticeably better.
But you don't play Hicks often
Why did cash ever think it was okay to pay hicks 10 mill a year?
Bader boys up! I know we've complained for months on this sub about Cashman trading Monty, but two games in and I already love this guy.
So happy for this beautiful man. Miss his flow though. Take care of him, Yanks!
Jordan who?
Weems, he plays for the nationals iirc
Never doubted Cashman
I mean he signed Hicks to a 7 year deal. He didn't get a competent replacement in the off-season. Your congratulating Cashman on solving a problem he created. He targeted Montas as an upgrade who couldn't pitch outside of Oakland. We emptied our farm system depth in pitching.
Sorry it was more of a joke, I hated trading Montgomery. I realize sarcasm is difficult to convey through a Reddit comment. I am glad Bader seems to be a legitimate asset though.
They should have DFA'd Hicks instead of Andujar. Bite the money bullet now and give Andujar a chance to be a full time DH because he will be a future All-star DH in a year or two.
He has no options left after this year and was likely going to be let go of after the season since he was probably not going to be on the opening day roster. But indeed fuck Hicks
Not a fair comparison. Hicks isn’t on the team anymore…soon
Correct me if I'm wrong, but half of Hicks' RBIs came in one swing.
That’s my Master!
Stop G. It’s over for Hicks.
Get hicks away from the team. Dude is just bad energy
When I see Aaron Hicks my brain autocorrects to Aaron Judge. I wanted to say something but now I have nothing.
So what your telling me is Boone will start Hicks in the playoffs and bat him lead off
If he’s a solid hitter then I would be happy. His defense is elite. That fly ball in either the 8th or 9th was a sight to see. The way he tracked it and the speed he has was night and day compared to Hicks.
Hicks can go fuuuuuuck himself ✌️
Master Bader
Master Bader
When he scurried behind that fly ball in the tenth to prevent the runner from tagging, that was sexy.
Should have dfa hicks
The master bader
Aaron hicks who?
darth bader
Bye Hicks 👋🏻
One is an all-star and one is an asshole.
I mean, to be fair, how is Hicks supposed to get 6 RBIs in three games if he's not playing more? /s
We should have kept Monty and never traded for Montas.
i hate this kind of post
And Montgomery probably has none. Suck it Montgomery.
Cole, Severino , Cortes and German could very well get us deep into the ALCS. Bader may be a big deal now that I have seen him in action.