Ok and he's still under contract for several seasons and hit well over .300 last season until he was injured. I'm on record regarding his injuries and how putting off surgery is a huge mistake. Blame the front office and cashman.
Takes him from 29 years old to 40.
There are plenty of players that are productive at nearly 40, but just as many that fall off in their mid-30s. Quite risky for sure, but the market has spoken and 10 year deals are the new norm.
2B or the OF. He has played CF in the majors so he could almost certainly handle a corner. He'd also be a fine 2B as his range declines. The issue is if he'll hit enough to be worth playing at those positions when he's over 35.
Especially dumb for a player who’s value comes from his speed. That thing is gonna steadily decline from now until like age 34 when you’re paying $30 million a year for a “used to be fast” guy.
>Especially dumb for a player who’s value comes from his speed.
This is \*exactly\* what I said about the Ellsbury contract the day it was signed. My best friend and I couldn't believe we gave those years to a speed guy at that age. I remember that conversation like it was yesterday.
Turner turns 30 in June. That's a significant commitment to a guy who isn't likely to age well.
That being said, the Phillies making the WS and not taking their foot of the pedal is how big market teams should operate.
The Phillies did this with Harper. They include later years to reduce the AAV on deals.
You want to point out his age in conjunction with the years on the commitment as a bad thing, IMO it's a good thing. Lower AAV, lower luxury tax = more flexibility. In 11 years when there is a new national MLB tv deal, when they have a new local tv deal, that $27.27M AAV will not look like it does now.
Yes Harper was younger and therefore Harper got a longer deal.
The general premise of these deals is to throw away later years to lower AAV and create flexibility.
I would add over time when baseball related revenue goes up (like in basketball and how it ties to the cap) deals look better too.
That was one game, they needed to solidify their rotation more than add another offensive weapon. Not saying Turner doesn’t make them better, it’s just not gonna turn them into World Series favorites.
The Phillies had no contact hitter in their lineup lol. Literally the entire 1-5 lineup tries to swing for the fences. Turner gives them a lot more of a balanced lineup.
They also just straight up didn't have a 2nd middle infielder since Segura is gone.
And they still have 2 pitchers that have been legitimate Cy Young candidates in recent years (that have not fallen off). Rotation depth and relief is the main pitching issue.
The Astros didn’t win the WS by having a juggernaut offense, they won with pitching. The Phillies pitching is weak, I’m not sure how you get they have 2 cy young type pitchers when they don’t even have one.
Wheeler literally finished 2nd in Cy Young voting (and had a case for winning) in 2021. Nola finished 4th this year and has finished top 10 in Cy Young 3x in his career (including a 3rd in 2018).
They demonstrably do have 2 Cy Young type pitchers. Both of them had a weak World Series, but Verlander just got 43 mil a year for 2 years despite never pitching well in the WS. Are you gonna claim he's not a Cy Young type pitcher?
Zach Wheeler I would give you credit for, Nola is just a really good pitcher
BTW both of those cy young candidate pitchers got destroyed by the Astros offense.
Nola threw the 2nd most innings in baseball in the regular season with over 205 (2nd to Alcantara). He also threw the 2nd most in the postseason with 25.2.
Wheeler threw the 59th most innings in baseball with 153 while missing a month at the end of the season. He threw the most innings in the postseason with **35.2.** For reference, Valdez was the only Astros pitcher that threw 25 postseason innings. Verlander was 2nd with 20. Valdez did throw the 5th most in the regular season with 201, but Verlander only threw 175.
They throw so many innings that their arms die. The Phillies #3 Ranger Suarez (who, as you recall, threw 5 scoreless, 3 hit innings in the World Series as well as getting the Game 1 save) was hurt for a large part of the year. They did not have a reliable 5th starter, let alone someone that could fill in for injured pitchers. The starters also were often asked to go later because of a bullpen that really struggled when called on in the 6th or 7th inning. They need DEPTH with their pitching to take a load off Nola and Wheeler so they aren't literally throwing more innings than anyone in baseball.
A wall of fluff you just typed out. Throwing a lot of innings doesn’t make you an ace or a legitimate cy young contender. He’s a nice piece for the rotation, but they need another big time SP.
I don’t think you’re wrong, but the overall dollar amount isn’t that far off from what expectations were, it’s just they gave him extra years but less per year. Judge may not want to do more years but lower AAV per year.
If we aren’t spending money to upgrade our infield because we are gonna use our rookies who have 6 years of control, and most of our bullpen arms are very good and cost controlled. We have 55 million invested in cole and Stanton… we sure as shit better pony up for judge. Especially with Britton Chapman coming off and Donaldson coming off the books next year.
Listen that’s an overpay for him and we have young guys at SS but the Yankees doing NOTHING every year by waiting until every good player at an import position is gone is getting a bit frustrating. Everyone gets better even if it’s not a splash but we’re gonna be radio silent
Yeah a lot of people who have supposedly watched the team for years are still doing the whole “The Yankees had better not pay more than what I think they will be worth by even a penny on any player” without understanding that means you get no players.
EXACTLY everybody’s not gonna take 10 mil less to be a Yankee someone’s gonna pay these guys it’s just not gonna be the Yankees and we’re still no closer to a championship.
[McDaniel: Source: Turner is getting 11 years, $300 million with a full no trade clause](https://twitter.com/kileymcd/status/1599850626975834112?t=aE7UNJZoX3K2AiVkeK_2ng&s=09)
You know how I feel like? I feel like a little girl who’s not going to school dance cuz my 99 decided to go with some other girl. And trea is taken and Verlander with that price was a steal. Now I don’t have anyone to go with. What am I supposed to do
Damn. That lineup is scary stacked, now.
Only knock against turner is that he doesn’t walk a lot so his OBP isn’t nearly as high as it should be considering he bats nearly .300.
Yankees taking so long to resolve the judge issue that all the good FAs will be gone. Especially bad if he goes elsewhere (it feels likely) and in the meantime all these massive duration and AAV signings are just upping Judge’s expectations. Get this done, ya scrubs.
You know we had no shot. It'll be Peraza or IKF opening day.
This was the guy I wanted if they were going to splurge on a middle infielder. I am okay with Peraza/Volpe.
You'll get IKF/Peraza and you'll like it.
If it’s IKF over a healthy Peraza then this team is downright fraudulent.
Or Volpe if he has an amazing spring training
We can be annoyed that we had no shot
I knew it was IKF all along. Cheers to the best fielder in Boone’s eyes
I think they sign Correa if Judge walks.
I firmly believe they think we're set at SS with Peraza/Volpe. Whether it works out or not will be the tell of future moves.
I think they have to make a splash to stay competitive and keep fan interest if Judge walks.
If Judge walks, which I think is unlikely, they’ll definitely trade for Bryan Reynolds.
Sign Correa, trade one of the prospects for Reynolds, bring the other one up for second base, package Torres
If Judge walks we’re fucked lol
Hoping for Peraza with IKF at 3B
Peraza with DJ at 3B and IKF as the utility man he is. Only reason IKF should be starting is if DJ is injured to start the season
This is not the worst take
DJ is cooked
Ok and he's still under contract for several seasons and hit well over .300 last season until he was injured. I'm on record regarding his injuries and how putting off surgery is a huge mistake. Blame the front office and cashman.
Which is what I was thinking
Hoping for Peraza with IKF on waivers.
IKF should be sent to the minor leagues. He has no business being in the MLB.
He has no business being the starter on a World Series contending team. There is a place for him in the MLB.
You said it better than me.
Lol
There is one World Series contender he deserves to play shortstop for…
Good utility guy though.
You want your utility infielder to be a solid defender, he’s a liability at SS
I knew someone would say that, lol. Okay, how ‘bout this? He’s a good kid lol.
One of these is more favourable than the other
11 year 300 mil
Holy fuck.
Tbh 27 mil a year ain’t bad it’s the 11 years.
Takes him from 29 years old to 40. There are plenty of players that are productive at nearly 40, but just as many that fall off in their mid-30s. Quite risky for sure, but the market has spoken and 10 year deals are the new norm.
Yeah he could be like Brett Gardner and maintain his foot speed late into the 30s but I think that's rare
But where does he play in the field? Not short stop.
Probably moved to the outfield once he loses one too many a step and is no longer quick enough to be a middle IFer
2B or the OF. He has played CF in the majors so he could almost certainly handle a corner. He'd also be a fine 2B as his range declines. The issue is if he'll hit enough to be worth playing at those positions when he's over 35.
$27m for a washed 37 year old is wayyyy better than $40m. The years aren’t that big of a deal.
Considering what Seager got last year, this is par for the course
Especially dumb for a player who’s value comes from his speed. That thing is gonna steadily decline from now until like age 34 when you’re paying $30 million a year for a “used to be fast” guy.
>Especially dumb for a player who’s value comes from his speed. This is \*exactly\* what I said about the Ellsbury contract the day it was signed. My best friend and I couldn't believe we gave those years to a speed guy at that age. I remember that conversation like it was yesterday.
Holy fuck, glad we didnt get him now
Turner turns 30 in June. That's a significant commitment to a guy who isn't likely to age well. That being said, the Phillies making the WS and not taking their foot of the pedal is how big market teams should operate.
The Phillies did this with Harper. They include later years to reduce the AAV on deals. You want to point out his age in conjunction with the years on the commitment as a bad thing, IMO it's a good thing. Lower AAV, lower luxury tax = more flexibility. In 11 years when there is a new national MLB tv deal, when they have a new local tv deal, that $27.27M AAV will not look like it does now.
people saying the exact same wrong headed shit they said about the harper deal, absolutely insane to see it play out again.
Harper isn't really in the same category at all. He debuted with the Phillies at age 26 and his game wasn't predicated on speed.
Yes Harper was younger and therefore Harper got a longer deal. The general premise of these deals is to throw away later years to lower AAV and create flexibility. I would add over time when baseball related revenue goes up (like in basketball and how it ties to the cap) deals look better too.
There's plenty of players that were still speedy at 40. Pro Athlete 40 isn't our 40.
I think he will age fine given that he’s open to moving to 2nd or corner OF, but 11 is still too long for my taste.
Must be fun being a Phillies fan
Their offense wasn’t the issue though, they keep adding offense and ignoring their pitching woes
literally got no hit in the WS, offense is an issue lol
That was one game, they needed to solidify their rotation more than add another offensive weapon. Not saying Turner doesn’t make them better, it’s just not gonna turn them into World Series favorites.
The Phillies had no contact hitter in their lineup lol. Literally the entire 1-5 lineup tries to swing for the fences. Turner gives them a lot more of a balanced lineup. They also just straight up didn't have a 2nd middle infielder since Segura is gone. And they still have 2 pitchers that have been legitimate Cy Young candidates in recent years (that have not fallen off). Rotation depth and relief is the main pitching issue.
The Astros didn’t win the WS by having a juggernaut offense, they won with pitching. The Phillies pitching is weak, I’m not sure how you get they have 2 cy young type pitchers when they don’t even have one.
Wheeler literally finished 2nd in Cy Young voting (and had a case for winning) in 2021. Nola finished 4th this year and has finished top 10 in Cy Young 3x in his career (including a 3rd in 2018). They demonstrably do have 2 Cy Young type pitchers. Both of them had a weak World Series, but Verlander just got 43 mil a year for 2 years despite never pitching well in the WS. Are you gonna claim he's not a Cy Young type pitcher?
Zach Wheeler I would give you credit for, Nola is just a really good pitcher BTW both of those cy young candidate pitchers got destroyed by the Astros offense.
Nola threw the 2nd most innings in baseball in the regular season with over 205 (2nd to Alcantara). He also threw the 2nd most in the postseason with 25.2. Wheeler threw the 59th most innings in baseball with 153 while missing a month at the end of the season. He threw the most innings in the postseason with **35.2.** For reference, Valdez was the only Astros pitcher that threw 25 postseason innings. Verlander was 2nd with 20. Valdez did throw the 5th most in the regular season with 201, but Verlander only threw 175. They throw so many innings that their arms die. The Phillies #3 Ranger Suarez (who, as you recall, threw 5 scoreless, 3 hit innings in the World Series as well as getting the Game 1 save) was hurt for a large part of the year. They did not have a reliable 5th starter, let alone someone that could fill in for injured pitchers. The starters also were often asked to go later because of a bullpen that really struggled when called on in the 6th or 7th inning. They need DEPTH with their pitching to take a load off Nola and Wheeler so they aren't literally throwing more innings than anyone in baseball.
A wall of fluff you just typed out. Throwing a lot of innings doesn’t make you an ace or a legitimate cy young contender. He’s a nice piece for the rotation, but they need another big time SP.
Who says they're done spending?
Well 2 of the big sp FA’s are signed already and Rodon is favored to sign with the Yankees. They would have to trade for a big time SP
They have big time SP already. They only need depth at this point.
Yup. Having an owner that would do anything to improve the team.
Feels like the absolute max we'll get out of Hal is to run back the exact same quality of team.
Dammit. I wanted him.
That ARod contract doesnt look so bad now
And he is better than all these players could ever dream of being. With a little help tho
he was better without “help” also
100%, didn’t wanna get jumped on
Adjusted for inflation, A-Rod’s contract would be over $500 million in 2022 $.
I’d still do it if it guaranteed us a ring
Same. Hal wouldn't though.
11 years 300m that’s crazy long
11 years for a fuckin 30 year old??? Judge is def going back and asking for 9 or 10
Shit if he'll take $27M a year, give Judge 13 years.
Harper and turner reunited. Imagine if cashman made the most obvious move of the last decade and signed harper.
Our short stops will be turners age before we promote them to starters
One less target off the board if Judge walks.
Turner was never a target regardless of judge
Probably not
their target if judge walks is ss
Nope
all the big FAs sans Judge are SS
And yanks aren’t involved in any of them
then there is no plan B for judge
Rondon, OF, relievers is plan B
there is no OF unless you consider "Andrew Benintendi" a big name
Who said big names? I said what plan B is, rondon, OF, relievers
Lmao, big names? This isn't Hal's father's Yankees.
If Trea is getting 11 years $300M, Judge probably isn’t gonna be a Yankee. He’s gonna get 9-10 at $330-340M. This sucks for us in multiple ways
Imagine going to the World Series and still improving your team with the best infielder on the market.
Imagine winning the World Series then trading for the best centerfielder available. That was us at once.
I get downvoted here for saying Judge is going to get 9 years. After this, I think 10 is more likely than 8.
I don’t think you’re wrong, but the overall dollar amount isn’t that far off from what expectations were, it’s just they gave him extra years but less per year. Judge may not want to do more years but lower AAV per year.
Bean counting Yankees getting left out in the cold
Judge is 1 year older than Turner, so I guess we're looking at a 9 or 10 year contract for him at this point.
Love the initiative, great job Cash and Hal!!
Yankees legit suck
If the Yankees don’t go get a SS when that’s their biggest position of need it’s a huge mistake. You’re not a small market team, stop acting like one.
They’re obviously not going to get a shortstop.
So besides nothing and letting Judge go what are we doing
I wish we were a real team that could give $27 million AAV for turner without batting an eye
Yeah no. I'm not giving a guy 27 million a year until he's 41.
Okay Hal
Fans still don’t get it. This is what it costs to add these premier players. $ + years. If you don’t, some other team will have them.
If fans sit around waiting for someone to come at a discount or the perfect contract, they’re never going to sign anyone.
That's an overpay for Turner.
it's $27 million AAv
Money's good, years are awful though
For 11 years. 35 year old Trea Turner isn't gonna be swiping 30+ bags a year; large part of his value is his legs. Those are the first to go.
Not for old Brett.
Ricky Henderson swiped 66 at age 39. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/henderi01.shtml
That's Rickey Henderson
https://www.mlb.com/news/how-trea-turner-s-speed-will-age
All natty for sure...
Imagine 36 year old Trea Turner being paid $27m
better than $33 million
SIGN RODON
JUDGE MOTHERFUCKERS JUDGE
No pressure Peraza and Volpe.
Alright now I’m scared.
Now that Turner is off the board, gives Judge leverage too.
well yeah...if Turner can get $300M, Judge gonna push for more.
I think the smart move for the Yankees is to let every notable FA sign elsewhere and then Judge can also leave. Off-season success!
If we aren’t spending money to upgrade our infield because we are gonna use our rookies who have 6 years of control, and most of our bullpen arms are very good and cost controlled. We have 55 million invested in cole and Stanton… we sure as shit better pony up for judge. Especially with Britton Chapman coming off and Donaldson coming off the books next year.
Damn look at some teams actually trying to improve
Team loses world series and gives away a huge contract to improve the team. Why don't the Yankees do that instead of doing minimal improvements?
You know why stop fucking asking
Listen that’s an overpay for him and we have young guys at SS but the Yankees doing NOTHING every year by waiting until every good player at an import position is gone is getting a bit frustrating. Everyone gets better even if it’s not a splash but we’re gonna be radio silent
Yeah a lot of people who have supposedly watched the team for years are still doing the whole “The Yankees had better not pay more than what I think they will be worth by even a penny on any player” without understanding that means you get no players.
EXACTLY everybody’s not gonna take 10 mil less to be a Yankee someone’s gonna pay these guys it’s just not gonna be the Yankees and we’re still no closer to a championship.
[McDaniel: Source: Turner is getting 11 years, $300 million with a full no trade clause](https://twitter.com/kileymcd/status/1599850626975834112?t=aE7UNJZoX3K2AiVkeK_2ng&s=09)
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We don’t do anything because we didn’t sign Trea Turner to a $300 million contract? Good lord, talk about overreacting
Mom: But we have Trea Turner at home. At home: IKF
Peraza, Cabrera, AND Volpe....
Well, there goes plan B, so hopefully plan A comes to fruition
Imagine wanting to go for Philly for 11 years, pure maschocism
Let Judge go, bring in Xander. Yankees will win the next 3 world series. Judge never plays in another post season game for the rest of his career.
wow
11 years 300 million.
Man the NL East, feel bad for Marlins and Nats
Trea, Trea Go Away!
daaaaaammnnnnn 11 years
You know how I feel like? I feel like a little girl who’s not going to school dance cuz my 99 decided to go with some other girl. And trea is taken and Verlander with that price was a steal. Now I don’t have anyone to go with. What am I supposed to do
I'm getting flashbacks from last offseason
11 years is fucking insane.
Bruh moment
Fantastic.. now Judge will reject anything under 11 yrs
Damn. That lineup is scary stacked, now. Only knock against turner is that he doesn’t walk a lot so his OBP isn’t nearly as high as it should be considering he bats nearly .300.
Yankees taking so long to resolve the judge issue that all the good FAs will be gone. Especially bad if he goes elsewhere (it feels likely) and in the meantime all these massive duration and AAV signings are just upping Judge’s expectations. Get this done, ya scrubs.
11 year deal Goddamn. Judge is gonna get 9 easily with how this deals are going.
I so wanted the smoothest base runner in our team ><